Who is the worlds best captain?
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Topic: Who is the worlds best captain?
Posted By: NZ_Fast
Subject: Who is the worlds best captain?
Date Posted: 25 August 2006 at 6:51am
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Please dont just vote because captain X is the best batter. Try include the Captains tactical ability (eg good field placment) into your vote. I decided on Fleming  p.s i hope i have not left any captains off. Edit: Since vaughn is out of action. you may want to make it a strauss vote  2nd edit: when i say captain i mean in the current time not like 10 years ago |
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Posted By: wiseguy
Date Posted: 25 August 2006 at 7:17am
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I would always rate Flemming to be the best captain, becos in my opinion when you have a great team a captain has just to go through the motions and the individuals deliver mostly. But Flemming doesnt have a very gifted team hardly 2/3 world class players, but to operate with his resources and eventually challenging the best in the world speaks volumes of their skipper's ability. He is a very positive captain and he has stablished a team , and he makes it fight and thats the role of a captain! ------------- so far so good! |
Posted By: wiseguy
Date Posted: 25 August 2006 at 7:22am
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Some people think that if the captain performs mostly in the team wins he should be the best captain , like Lara, or Inzi or recently Jaywardene, but I think captains performing from the front is not the only thing, but getting more than 100% out of the players is important! People hardly remmember Mike Brearly for his personal record but he is regarded as one of the best english captains! ------------- so far so good! |
Posted By: Clobber
Date Posted: 25 August 2006 at 9:14am
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I'm not going into another rant about it, but Fleming is totally over rated as a captain. I haven't seen every single captain in world cricket so am not qualified to comment, but the best I have seen ever is Michael Brearley and the best currently playing is Shane Warne. |
Posted By: wiseguy
Date Posted: 25 August 2006 at 12:20pm
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Shane warne! well I need to know his credentials and records as captain! I dont think being southampton captain he has done wonders! ------------- so far so good! |
Posted By: inzamam329
Date Posted: 25 August 2006 at 12:27pm
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From that list i choose Fleming! He has such a great cricketing brain, he is proactive in his decisions rather then reactive like many others! Ponting has in his armery individuals who are really do not need captaining! They all know what to do etc! Newzealand have never had such waelth of talent yet fleming uses every ounce of the ability they have! He has been the best cpatin since he took over that role, many other counteries cannot boast having someone incharge without any change! They one the Champions Trophy and when the Aussies were untouched by other teams who would just crumble underneath the Aussies, Nzealand would take the fight to them and push them all they way! That for me was what a good captain does for his side! ------------- |
Posted By: Clobber
Date Posted: 25 August 2006 at 1:20pm
I am pretty sure he doesn't play for Southampton. IN Southampton, maybe.... |
Posted By: dips_december
Date Posted: 25 August 2006 at 1:26pm
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We already have many captain polls and threads why make another one ? ------------- |
Posted By: Clobber
Date Posted: 25 August 2006 at 1:28pm
To just try and nail the "Fleming is an amzing captain" crap, here are some quotations I made in the last thread we had on this subject -
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Posted By: Clapo
Date Posted: 25 August 2006 at 2:48pm
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spot on as usual clobbs!!!! Not only that but fleming has failed to produce the batting that we know he is capable on a regular basis. Part of being a good captain is leading from the front in your chosen part of the team, be it batting or bowling, which in flemings case is batting, and he hasn't led from the front near enough!!! While warne isn't the captain of the Aust cricket team, and it's likely he never will be, he is still tactically a better than ponting, which is why ponting and warne confer so much. If it wasn't for his turbulent (to put it mildly) personal life he would be Aust. captain. Ponting is improving though, and since the ashes he has lead from the front with his batting like no other (his fielding hasn't exactly let him down either, with a few crucial catches/run-outs!!!) His tactical nause can only get better, and he is showing no signs of a form drop, so he is arguably the best. But as it is so often said in the "best such n such" threads, it's all down to personal opinion. ------------- 5-0 You Beauty!!!!! Thanks for the many fantastic memories Marto, Langer, Warney & Pidg |
Posted By: ANIL KUMBLE
Date Posted: 25 August 2006 at 3:09pm
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I voted Prosper Utseya his record as captain is 3-2 leads the inexpierienced Zimbabwe by example his spin his difficult to play sort of into that mould of Daniel Vettori where you can only find 3-4 singles an over off him,takes his share of wickets these days and a great fielder who also took a marvellous catch against Bangladesh.Not bad with the bat while his field placements are centimeter perfect.I think he'll turn out like a Stephen Fleming great leadership skills yet his team cant perform though as Clobber pointed out New Zealand have enough world class players to beat a top team away from home,where as Zimbabwe really there is not one world class player atleast they can all play better then average. Another great captain is Steve Tikolo ------------- Check out my blog http://crictopia.blogspot.com/ pretty bad though... |
Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 25 August 2006 at 4:10pm
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My best I've seen is Vaughan. How good a captain is doesn't mean how good he can bat or field. I am sure when they give you captaincy they don't say well.... chanderpaul your average is 45.... here is the captaincy , no... It doesn't work that way. They gave it to those who have the brains and are tactical in which vaughan is. Vaughany , never afraid to set an unorthodox field and knows who to gave the ball to. Ponting field placing ain't no way as good as waugh or vaughan. I won't say much about fleming cause I hardly ever see him play. I think clobber is being too critical about him though. Even clobber's greatest captian said fleming is the best captain at present !! ------------- In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage. |
Posted By: DRAVID FAN
Date Posted: 25 August 2006 at 4:50pm
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I think its Graeme Smith. He has brought South Africa from a low position to such a high position. Although he has the stars the team was still bad at one point so he has pulled them up very, nicely winning many matches, beating the great Aussies,etc... So according to me Smith is the best captain going around right now. ------------- |
Posted By: Clobber
Date Posted: 25 August 2006 at 5:21pm
All I have done is show the facts |
Posted By: Wal Bada
Date Posted: 25 August 2006 at 5:22pm
| What I have seen of Jayawardane has impressed me. He won 3 ODIs on trot without Murali. And tactical desicions were also amazing. He owns one of the weaker bowling and batting line ups, but probaly one of the best fielding out fits. So he uses all his resources to maximum extent. |
Posted By: DRAVID FAN
Date Posted: 25 August 2006 at 6:09pm
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How did Smith get three votes so fast. I was thr first to vote for him 20 minutes back. ------------- |
Posted By: DRAVID FAN
Date Posted: 25 August 2006 at 6:09pm
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Wal Bada why didn't you vote for Jayawardene. ------------- |
Posted By: lintonskippa
Date Posted: 25 August 2006 at 7:03pm
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i voted for vaughan. and i meen for vaughan NOT strauss. the way vaughan conducted the fielding placements and bowling changes to deal with batsmens weaknesses in the ashes and also before hand i think he is better than any other captain on the intenational circuit. he is a loss to england, batting well or not. ------------- If i had 3 wishes i would do 3 thing... exile mahmood and harmison, make geraint jones the best keeper in the universe and me the best leg spinner. what a lethal combination! |
Posted By: crick
Date Posted: 25 August 2006 at 8:32pm
i think that was more to do with behind the scenes, so the players already knew the plans, vaughan simply helped them along the way! ------------- boo ha ha! |
Posted By: BackFoot Master
Date Posted: 25 August 2006 at 9:02pm
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Vaughan for sure. He wasn't afraid to set an unorthodox field and it mostly cames out successful. He knows which bowler to throw the ball too when faces diffeent batsman. I really admire the attacking field he sets because I believe that attacking will win u matches. No matter what he always has in 1 or 2 slips even though batsman was blast the ball all over the field. He has a great game plans, when Gilchrist, hayden, Katich was batting he mostly had in 3 slips because of the problems that the English bowlers give to the left handers. ------------- August 16th 2009, my team Youth Combine was crowned CHAMPION once more |
Posted By: wiseguy
Date Posted: 26 August 2006 at 8:26am
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Whatever we have seen of younis khan, has shown us he has all what it takes to be a good captain, so may be bracketed in warne's catagory as the best potential captain! ------------- so far so good! |
Posted By: lintonskippa
Date Posted: 26 August 2006 at 8:44am
then why havent freddie and strauss followed in vaughans footsteps also as soon as i saw khan i wondered why he was not captain in much the same way i have with warne through pontings reign (even though i know it is age) ------------- If i had 3 wishes i would do 3 thing... exile mahmood and harmison, make geraint jones the best keeper in the universe and me the best leg spinner. what a lethal combination! |
Posted By: wiseguy
Date Posted: 26 August 2006 at 12:26pm
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I dont know but guys are at their best whenever they are made acting captains or brief stints in the absence of the captain, but some how when appointed permanent captains rarely live up to expectations! ------------- so far so good! |
Posted By: Wal Bada
Date Posted: 26 August 2006 at 1:40pm
I voted, but to my biggest surprise, it has disappeared from the poll. Admins, could you help me out what has hapenned? |
Posted By: Clapo
Date Posted: 27 August 2006 at 12:49am
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poll's do strange things Wal, i've had the problem before, but the fact that you can vote as many times as you like sorta makes the polls null & void. ------------- 5-0 You Beauty!!!!! Thanks for the many fantastic memories Marto, Langer, Warney & Pidg |
Posted By: crick
Date Posted: 27 August 2006 at 4:47pm
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hussain has written an interesting article on captiaining that i thought you guys might like http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/wisdencricketer/content/story/257584.html - http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/wisdencricketer/content/story /257584.html ------------- boo ha ha! |
Posted By: 70_degree_spin
Date Posted: 27 August 2006 at 8:21pm
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Fleming for being as cool as ice in difficult situations.
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Posted By: Sledger
Date Posted: 28 August 2006 at 8:05am
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We already have a captain's thread , this is unnecessary. ------------- Mental disintegration works for me !! |