Spin or accuracy?
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Topic: Spin or accuracy?
Posted By: 70_degree_spin
Subject: Spin or accuracy?
Date Posted: 30 August 2006 at 6:47pm
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What is more important to a spin bowler? ------------- [ |
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Posted By: 70_degree_spin
Date Posted: 30 August 2006 at 6:50pm
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I think accuracy. I'm not a big spinner of the ball despite my name
being 70_degree_spin but I'm extremely accurate and I have had a lot of
success with my stock leg breaks and occasional googlies and sliders.
What type of bolwer are you and what type do you think is more
important?
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Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 30 August 2006 at 9:32pm
Well mate , I'm a leggy and both are important. I more rely on turn to get wickets as I like to make the batsman drive me but it would be a waste of time without accuracy so I would say accuracy the best as we all see Kumble demonstrate that pretty well.  ------------- In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage. |
Posted By: ashes 2 ashes
Date Posted: 07 September 2006 at 7:09am
it would have to be both it you want ot be a good consistant spinner ------------- the ashes are ours!!!!!!!!!! |
Posted By: mikeeboy
Date Posted: 07 September 2006 at 11:10am
| I'd say both. I've sacrificed spin for accuracy over the years and even though my economy has come right down, I don't take as many wickets. |
Posted By: fishcake14
Date Posted: 07 September 2006 at 8:52pm
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both Look at shane warne and you'll see why. ------------- |
Posted By: TCA123
Date Posted: 09 September 2006 at 1:05pm
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Accuracy.... I would rather be a bowler who hits off stump and cant spin it than a big turner he constantly lets the batsman pull, cut and everything else. ------------- Offspinner, Right Arm Bat |
Posted By: Pietersen Fan
Date Posted: 13 September 2006 at 3:50pm
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ive always been able to turn it alot but ive not always had accturacy, my advice is this: keep the turn, accuracy will come with time ------------- check out the ultimate spinners guide - spinny.co.nr |
Posted By: fishcake14
Date Posted: 13 September 2006 at 4:42pm
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Yeah, what pietersen said is right. Learn to spin the ball first and accuracy will come with time and practice. Spin is one of the hardest things for non-experienced and experienced batsmen to play. If you can't spin it, you'll be seen as a regular ''slow bowler'' as opposed to a ''spinner,'' and you'll become predictable and most likely you'll be hit round the park. Saying that slow bowlers get wickets by luring the batsman into a ridiculous slog which they'll miss and be stumped off of. To be really successful you'll need to have both. Some days they'll be no substitue for accuracy, other days they'll be no substitute for spin. But there's no substitute for both!! ------------- |
Posted By: fishcake14
Date Posted: 13 September 2006 at 4:43pm
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Put men on the boundary though and the batsman will get caught. ------------- |
Posted By: TCA123
Date Posted: 13 September 2006 at 5:07pm
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It's a risky way to look for wickets. I agree totally with what pieterson fan said. ------------- Offspinner, Right Arm Bat |
Posted By: 70_degree_spin
Date Posted: 13 September 2006 at 7:23pm
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Same, its good to see spinners chatting about techniques.
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Posted By: fishcake14
Date Posted: 14 September 2006 at 4:56pm
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It is risky, but if you're not accurate it's about your only option!! ------------- |
Posted By: MiNiWaRnEy
Date Posted: 15 September 2006 at 1:08pm
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ACCURACY!!!
I stress to you accuracy is the most important thing as a bowler, once you get you calibration and radar going, then you can work on spin, pace, swing, cut, flight, variations, etc. No matter what sort of bowler you are, but particularly if you are a spinner. If your length is off it does not matter how much u spin it - trust me you will be smashed! ------------- |
Posted By: shorty1
Date Posted: 15 September 2006 at 1:34pm
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mateee... again sad...wats with you pommies... Spin or accuracy give me a break..... its simple... your called a spin bowler so you MUST be able to spin the ball....if your 8 years old thats all you should be doing....accuracy comes with practice...and this guy that goes hed rather not spin it and hit the top of off..dont be a spin bowler coz ur a disgrace.... anyway...if u actually want to be a spin bowler listen up.... first of alll if your scared of getting hit for 4's or 6's get lost coz thats part of the job... you must bowl attackingly and not be afraid to chuck it up... even shane gets hit down town.... aim for as much spin as you can get and practice pracitce practice to control your main weapin SPIN.... orrrr you can become an offie and bowl flat darts:P |
Posted By: fishcake14
Date Posted: 15 September 2006 at 5:07pm
I believe your hero Shane Warne has said many a time that SPIn is more important, and for about the 4th time , accuracy comes with practice. ------------- |
Posted By: 70_degree_spin
Date Posted: 15 September 2006 at 11:38pm
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Shut up shorty, youre full of bull, you think you're the best but in
fact, all your ideas are rubbish. Look at Anil Kumble, taken 500
wickets from bowling in the same place!!!! And shane warne has never
said spin is more important id love proof of that!
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Posted By: shorty1
Date Posted: 16 September 2006 at 1:30am
| mate.....ur a spin bowler u have to be able to spin the ball...obviously if your worth ya chop ud be able to spin the ball and be accurate ....kumble is so good because he gets bounce...and dun forget they all still bowl short balls and full balls...you need to be able to intimidate the batsmen with spin....go become a boring fast bowler if all you want to do is bowl the same ball every ball |
Posted By: RightHandBat
Date Posted: 16 September 2006 at 2:09am
What are the inswingers, outswingers, leg cutters, off cutters, yorkers, bouncers etc. for then? Go get a brain mate. ------------- "His classical hits down the ground, met with a checked drive, were Tendulkar at his best. It was though he had a new lease of life." - Sachin Tendulkar's return to cricket with a 91-Ball century. |
Posted By: Jayasuriya
Date Posted: 16 September 2006 at 4:28am
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8i thing accuracy because if you get the ball really wide its just gonna go and cost you more runs. By getting accuracy you know where to pitch, then when you get spin your deadly ------------- Sri Lanka to win the WORLD CUP 07 |
Posted By: TCA123
Date Posted: 16 September 2006 at 11:56am
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Accuracy is key. Anil Kumble is the perfect example. For years he has beaten batsman with guile and accuracy rather than big turning deliveries. ------------- Offspinner, Right Arm Bat |
Posted By: fishcake14
Date Posted: 16 September 2006 at 7:00pm
Thank you TCA! Shorty is a twit!!!!   ------------- |
Posted By: 70_degree_spin
Date Posted: 16 September 2006 at 9:07pm
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Shorty, I can't wait for January when us pommies show you aussies whos boss.
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Posted By: shorty1
Date Posted: 16 September 2006 at 10:53pm
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haha quote: off spinning is the easiest ball to bowl and the easiest ball to bat against..... you no how much things are wrong with that comment
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Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 17 September 2006 at 12:33am
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Without accuracy mate, spin would mean nothing ! As simple as that ! ------------- In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage. |
Posted By: TCA123
Date Posted: 17 September 2006 at 11:45am
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Spin would't mean nothing. It would mean you might take wickets at an outrageous average. Accuracy would allow you to take wickets, inexpensively but without spin you'd have a huge strike rate. ------------- Offspinner, Right Arm Bat |
Posted By: shorty1
Date Posted: 18 September 2006 at 12:56am
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guys guys guys... look at the two leading wicket takers in the world... murli and warne...both huge turners of the ball case closed |
Posted By: RightHandBat
Date Posted: 18 September 2006 at 6:44am
...and accurate. ------------- "His classical hits down the ground, met with a checked drive, were Tendulkar at his best. It was though he had a new lease of life." - Sachin Tendulkar's return to cricket with a 91-Ball century. |
Posted By: cheech
Date Posted: 18 September 2006 at 10:59am
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accuracy, cos wat use is spin, if you spin it away from wicket into a wide? new tactic bowling to gully eh?
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Posted By: phoenix
Date Posted: 18 September 2006 at 11:11am
| As a batsman I find it heaps easier to play a spinner that just keeps landing it on the spot with little turn, you still need general accuracy to get it in the area you want, but you really need to turn a ball big to worry decent batsmen. |
Posted By: 70_degree_spin
Date Posted: 18 September 2006 at 4:44pm
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Off spinning is the easiest ball to bowl (not to master) and is by far
the easiest delivery to bat against except from someone bowling at 65
mph. Pheonix, tell that to Anil Kumbles 500 test victims.
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Posted By: TCA123
Date Posted: 18 September 2006 at 7:13pm
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You are right now. Off spin is the easiest, but certainly not the easiest to master. Few people bowl it well enough to consistantly take wickets. ------------- Offspinner, Right Arm Bat |
Posted By: MiNiWaRnEy
Date Posted: 19 September 2006 at 2:25am
My Goodness, if you are landing the ball 10m too short and 5m to wide and it spins what is the point. I am not saying you must learn to be accurate then spin, I am saying without accuracy - spin is useless. ------------- |
Posted By: shorty1
Date Posted: 19 September 2006 at 2:48am
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geez guyz u aint ever gona get a conclusive answer.....it depends what you mean by accuracy, to an acomplished spin bowler it could mean landing 6 balls in the exact same spot, or landing the ball where you want eg 1 ball 10cm outside off.. next one a little shorter next one a little slower ..... what is important is CONTROL...meaning you can bowl what you want when you want this includes spin, drift, length, speed, and line.....all of these aspects interplay to produce a good leg spin bowler..... "accuracy" is to broad of a subject to be discussed |
Posted By: MiNiWaRnEy
Date Posted: 19 September 2006 at 4:28am
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Accuracy is a very broad term.
Fishcake14 says Warne said Spin is more improtant.
THAT IS FOR WARNE THE GREAT. He as a little kid could land a leg break ont he pitch, for others it takes years. Accuracy (as in being able to get the right length) and then spin. ------------- |
Posted By: shorty1
Date Posted: 19 September 2006 at 6:35am
| wat the hell are u smokin mate...if u cant land a ball on the pitch ur strugglin |
Posted By: MiNiWaRnEy
Date Posted: 19 September 2006 at 6:37am
 As a little kid Warne could land a leg break, not many kids can do that, not at 6 or 7 yo. He naturally lands it, if you are liek Warne then spin is more important, if you are not the accuracy followed by spin.------------- |
Posted By: MiNiWaRnEy
Date Posted: 19 September 2006 at 6:38am
I take particular offense to that too.. 'wat the hell are u smokin mate'.
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Posted By: shorty1
Date Posted: 19 September 2006 at 6:38am
| if your 6 or 7 you shouldnt be worrying about either...you should be going out there and having fun and just bowling...the more you bowl the better youll get at both |
Posted By: MiNiWaRnEy
Date Posted: 19 September 2006 at 6:40am
Have a cry, and the when you finish get over yourself. That is not the point! I was replying to fishcake14's comments, but out. ------------- |
Posted By: shorty1
Date Posted: 19 September 2006 at 6:42am
| mate i dun needa get ova myself.. im not the one tryin to better my bowling by chating on sum ****ty forum... either listen to me or dun your choice..how old are u anyway |
Posted By: MiNiWaRnEy
Date Posted: 19 September 2006 at 6:48am
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Better my bowling!!!!
I made the SPin forum so I could help people, not improve my game u fool! ------------- |
Posted By: TCA123
Date Posted: 19 September 2006 at 5:40pm
Exactly my thought. Right on. ------------- Offspinner, Right Arm Bat |
Posted By: fishcake14
Date Posted: 19 September 2006 at 9:00pm
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Everyone has different thoughts on this which is good, BUT this isn't go anywhere and shorty and warney are going round in circles, and very soon I predict this will turn into CRICKET WORLD WAR III and everyone who posts here will be eternally doomed, but I don't really care anymore because I think spin's more important but other people disagree and no matter how many messages are sent explaining which is more important NO-ONE is going to listen. In conclusion, I think this post should be turned into a poll.
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Posted By: Pietersen Fan
Date Posted: 19 September 2006 at 9:37pm
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obviously you need accuracy but spins just as important you need both but at the end of the day would you rather be able to place the ball on a matchstick every time, of be able to turn the ball 2 metres goes without saying really ------------- check out the ultimate spinners guide - spinny.co.nr |
Posted By: 70_degree_spin
Date Posted: 19 September 2006 at 10:13pm
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How do you change it in to a poll, do I just create a new thread?
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Posted By: fishcake14
Date Posted: 21 September 2006 at 4:27pm
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I think so. The that way it would be easier to see what people thought was more important straightaway and have the arghuments underneath. ------------- |
Posted By: TCA123
Date Posted: 21 September 2006 at 7:46pm
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Well i'm not sure a poll is needed. It seems mighty obvious to me the general consensus is that accuracy is the most important. ------------- Offspinner, Right Arm Bat |
Posted By: 70_degree_spin
Date Posted: 21 September 2006 at 10:15pm
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Well what do you think TCA?
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Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 21 September 2006 at 10:32pm
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C'mon shorty, miniwarney is right. Without the accuracy, the turn is useless. I know turn is important too but think about bowling a long hop with plenty of turn, whats the result - a 4 or 6. Whats the result for bowling accurate - wickets or no runs - as simple as that. Turn combined with accuracy is deadly and thats makes murali and warney special. CASE CLOSED NOW !!! ------------- In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage. |
Posted By: TCA123
Date Posted: 24 September 2006 at 4:28pm
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I took 7 wickets at the nets today on a wet pitch that wouldnt spin. Accuracy got me all my wickets. ------------- Offspinner, Right Arm Bat |
Posted By: fishcake14
Date Posted: 24 September 2006 at 9:04pm
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OK, point proved. ------------- |
Posted By: TCA123
Date Posted: 28 September 2006 at 8:36pm
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Well i dont mean to be forceful. Just it's how i feel ------------- Offspinner, Right Arm Bat |
Posted By: MiNiWaRnEy
Date Posted: 29 September 2006 at 9:49am
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Case Closed Boys and Girls. Clobber close this thread. We have come to a compromise. ------------- |
Posted By: Wal Bada
Date Posted: 29 September 2006 at 2:56pm
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Depends on the case. If you are a big spinner of the ball, who is spinning it yards, then you can get away with accuracy to some degree. line differing in 6 inches would not matter. If you can't spin in miles, then you have to be bull's eye accurate. even 6 inches of change of line will cost you. I started as a leggie, turned it miles, floated it up, reasonably accurate and got wickets. My mate down the other end was bowling fast, flat, with little spin, but deadly accurate. He could land it on a 5cm radius circle with an accuracy over 90% over different speeds, with swing when coming to arm ball. He also got wickets too, more than me infact. So depending on your style one of the qualities you have to make a choice. ------------- Don't argue with fools. They'll drag you down to their level and then beat you with experiance |
Posted By: Wal Bada
Date Posted: 29 September 2006 at 3:04pm
You can't have much variations with it. You have to vary the line, length and flight of the stock ball. My bowling partner has once demonstrated me how to ball the arm ball (he is a left arm orthadox bowler). It is bowled as a finger spin ball, seam rotating nicely, but tilted and the shiny side of the ball hits the pitch. Hence it will not grip and will go straight. Other type of arm ball was the orthadox seam up, which was swinging in to the right hand batsman. He also had a dealdly flipper which was forced between fingers. (he did not make Sri Lanka A due to his academic work and advancing age - now 30) ------------- Don't argue with fools. They'll drag you down to their level and then beat you with experiance |
Posted By: TCA123
Date Posted: 29 September 2006 at 9:56pm
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Well as an off spinner i obviously don't have the variation of a leggie. But in the limited over cricket i play, i don't need a large array of deliveries. Just the arm ball which gets LBWs is really needed. Although i'm working on a doosra. But i'll doubt whether i'l need it. ------------- Offspinner, Right Arm Bat |
Posted By: Wal Bada
Date Posted: 30 September 2006 at 6:42am
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You can deliver a off spin with lot of side spin or with lot of over spin (axis of the rotation changes seam is like "-" in side spinning off break and like "/" in over spinning off break)
That will give you a very nice variation which is very difficult to pick. Just rotate the wrist counter-clock wise (if right handed) to deliver the over spinning ball nad clockwise (beware of the chuck) to deliver the side soinning ball. side spinning ball will turn more, but slowly, is useful when bowled with a flat trajectory, aiming to get LBWs. Over spinning ball has to be flighted as it will jump off the track because of the top spin it gets. So bowl it slowly. Then add a rolled offie (which you don't try to force to spin) which will turn less and can get slip catches with RHBs. Then orthadox seam up arm ball (with out swing) or the difficult one that my bowling partner had. You'll be a dream offie if you have above variations ------------- Don't argue with fools. They'll drag you down to their level and then beat you with experiance |
Posted By: 70_degree_spin
Date Posted: 30 September 2006 at 12:15pm
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TCA, youre fine the way you are, those deliveries sound like fishcake
variations to me, look at harbjhajan before he had the doosra, he got
bounce with his off breaks and had a very accurate arm ball wihich took
all his wickets, you dont need those variations which take years to
master.
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Posted By: TCA123
Date Posted: 30 September 2006 at 3:21pm
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Wal Bada your quite right in what you say about seam positions. But I do it already As for 70DS. I understand what your saying about no need for variation. I'm devloping a doosra which is not bowled in the convential Murali style. It's simply the fingers dragging down the left hand side of the ball to almost make a leg cutter. Very much like Saqlain. I know what you mean when you say i should focus on my stock deliveries and i have been doing so. But now i feel i need something extra. I'm working on the flipper, as diguised off break that skids and the doora as mentioned. ------------- Offspinner, Right Arm Bat |
Posted By: Wal Bada
Date Posted: 30 September 2006 at 5:36pm
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Flipper needs lot of physical power to bowl. You have to have iron like strong fingers, and a dispropotionalely large hand. (I have that mate, so I know how it feels)
Flipper has to be forced trough the fingers and looked to be bowled short. My off spin flipper used to defeat batsman on length rather than the pace (as Warne). most of them lulled in to security of back foot with few shortish offies and suddenly flipper with same trajectory pitches 2 feet up and bang LBW. So try it mate. Wish you could be a good offie. But always beware of the action. I got caught for chucking with my offies when I tried to get too smart. ------------- Don't argue with fools. They'll drag you down to their level and then beat you with experiance |
Posted By: 70_degree_spin
Date Posted: 30 September 2006 at 9:46pm
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TCA, i know exactly what u mean with your doosra, ive always wondered
why no more off spinners did that cause its such an easy ball to bowl.
Do you know why?
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Posted By: fishcake14
Date Posted: 30 September 2006 at 9:48pm
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Why's that, 70DS? Enlighten us with your knowledge, O Wise One! ------------- |
Posted By: 70_degree_spin
Date Posted: 30 September 2006 at 9:51pm
I dont know (thanks for making me look so bad fishy) 
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Posted By: fishcake14
Date Posted: 30 September 2006 at 9:53pm
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Sorry, mate! I thought you wre going to give us the 'Doosra for Dummies.' I used to be able to bowl a doosra and I didn't bend my arm. ------------- |
Posted By: TCA123
Date Posted: 30 September 2006 at 9:57pm
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I would guess that at the top level, it could be picked very easily. However at the level i play at, i would more likely disguise it well enough for it to be effective. As for chucking, my friends said that i chucked when i first started to bowl off spin. I was really trying to rip the ball and was basically throwing. Since then i've remodelled my action and i find it much more fluent than before. I've had plenty of people look at it and they are all satisfied i don't chuck anymore. ------------- Offspinner, Right Arm Bat |
Posted By: TCA123
Date Posted: 30 September 2006 at 10:00pm
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Is this the story about you being a googly bowler and you called your leg break the doosra. Because that isn't a doosra. ------------- Offspinner, Right Arm Bat |
Posted By: fishcake14
Date Posted: 30 September 2006 at 10:02pm
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No, that's not it, that';s what I bowl now. I used to be able to bowl a doosra, but I didn't bend my arm. I think it turned out to be a completely undescribable ball which was a cross between an offspinner and a flipper! ------------- |
Posted By: TCA123
Date Posted: 01 October 2006 at 5:51pm
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The problem with my doosra is that it is very hard to give the ball the same flight as a normal offie. This is because i'm pulling down one side of the ball which often fires it in much flatter. The hardest part is not disguising it out of the hand, but making it have the same flight as a normal off spinner. ------------- Offspinner, Right Arm Bat |
Posted By: Wal Bada
Date Posted: 01 October 2006 at 7:36pm
Try this one out. Normal off spin grip, palm is right behind the ball as you are bowling a side spin off break. Take the index-finger off the ball just before the ball is released. Ball it flat and fast as because this one lobs up in the air as you bowl it. If done correctly this will have a minor leg break on the ball with the usual away drift (most doosras drift in and turn away, so if a offie is really drifting the stock ball (i.e. he is in good form) the doosra will either not drift or drift in) ------------- Don't argue with fools. They'll drag you down to their level and then beat you with experiance |
Posted By: TCA123
Date Posted: 01 October 2006 at 9:34pm
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Thanks alot. I'll try that next time i'm in the nets. Never thought of that. ------------- Offspinner, Right Arm Bat |
Posted By: Chin Music
Date Posted: 02 October 2006 at 1:07pm
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im surprised to see noones brough up flight yet, being a 6'4" quick bowler i know nothing about spin from the bowlers point of view, but as a batsman ive come across plenty of decently accurate spinners who turn the ball a long way who after i get my eye in i can dominate because i can judge the trajectory easily without thinknig too hard about it ------------- Turnham Green CC Fast bowler & middle/lower-order bat |
Posted By: fishcake14
Date Posted: 02 October 2006 at 7:34pm
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What about if they land it in the same spot each time? ------------- |
Posted By: TCA123
Date Posted: 02 October 2006 at 9:02pm
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My best asset it flight. I always give the ball plenty of air. It's the key to all spin bowling, beat the batsman in flight. ------------- Offspinner, Right Arm Bat |
Posted By: 70_degree_spin
Date Posted: 02 October 2006 at 9:58pm
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What speed does everyone bowl at because I only bowl at about 35 mph
(estimation.) It might be a bit more, maybe a bit less but it's 10 mph
short of what I want it to be. Will I get more speed as I grow older or
am I spinning the ball too hard or something?
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Posted By: Chin Music
Date Posted: 03 October 2006 at 11:16am
Well that depends on where that spot is...  assuming you mean on the right spot every time then spin or no spin, flight or no flight they are damn hard to play. With a consistent trajectory its possible to use your feet to get the pitch and play straight but a) this is risky if your doing it every ball - you only need to get it wrong once or he only needs one quicker/slower/wider one to get you and b) its also very easy to defend - unless you take your life in your hands by hitting accross the line (and to be fair this works for some) its a very small area youre hitting into between mid-on and mid-off------------- Turnham Green CC Fast bowler & middle/lower-order bat |
Posted By: Wal Bada
Date Posted: 03 October 2006 at 3:55pm
How old are you? if you are below 18, you'll quicken up to maximum when around 25. When you grow older you'll learn tricks, changing axis of roration with minimal effort, nice flight, thinking batsman out, making batsman to look like fools etc. and slow down a bit. Whn you are 29-34 your golden yeas as a spinner will come if you are fit. ------------- Don't argue with fools. They'll drag you down to their level and then beat you with experiance |
Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 03 October 2006 at 8:25pm
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You're on a roll today wal !! Again, I couldn't agree more! ------------- In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage. |
Posted By: 70_degree_spin
Date Posted: 04 October 2006 at 7:36pm
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Yeah, thanks for that wal bada, I was just checking coz sometimes I do
absolute jaffas and the batsmen have time to react to the spin which is
annoying.
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Posted By: TCA123
Date Posted: 04 October 2006 at 7:48pm
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I get that. I think it's because i'm bowling too slow. ------------- Offspinner, Right Arm Bat |
Posted By: 70_degree_spin
Date Posted: 04 October 2006 at 7:49pm
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Well I think well get speed coz were only in our teens after all.
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Posted By: TCA123
Date Posted: 04 October 2006 at 7:52pm
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I've tried bowling faster and it feels so unnatural. I have a very Shane Warne like run up. I walk up to the crease and then use my body to deliver my off break. I'm not like a saqlain, murali or Harbhajan who break into a jog. I walk up. ------------- Offspinner, Right Arm Bat |
Posted By: 70_degree_spin
Date Posted: 04 October 2006 at 7:56pm
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I always thought Saqlain looked like a part time bowler in his run up but obviously thats not true, does anyone else think that?
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Posted By: fishcake14
Date Posted: 05 October 2006 at 4:37pm
That's like me. I've got more of a 'walk up.' I can't bowl my stock googly fast, I can bowl my leggy quite quickly. ------------- |
Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 05 October 2006 at 10:26pm
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Thats true mate!! When I think about his run up you can say that as well. For an off spinner, a jog is the best thing for the run up. Look at Murali, harbhajan etc.
You are like me mate!! The only deliveries I bowl fast is the slider and Flipper, other than that I bowl them slow. ------------- In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage. |
Posted By: TCA123
Date Posted: 06 October 2006 at 8:29pm
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I've tried bowling faster with a jogging run up and my body feels unbalanced before a deliver the ball. When i walk up, i'm much more in control with my action. Plus i get more spin with a walking up action. ------------- Offspinner, Right Arm Bat |
Posted By: fishcake14
Date Posted: 06 October 2006 at 9:39pm
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You are like me mate!! The only deliveries I bowl fast is the slider and Flipper, other than that I bowl them slow. [/QUOTE] How did you change it to legendary fraudster?! I would say I bowl between 25-45mph. Approximately! ------------- |
Posted By: TCA123
Date Posted: 07 October 2006 at 6:43pm
How did you change it to legendary fraudster?! I would say I bowl between 25-45mph. Approximately! [/QUOTE] if you bowled 25mph it wouldnt even reach the batsman! ------------- Offspinner, Right Arm Bat |
Posted By: fishcake14
Date Posted: 07 October 2006 at 9:03pm
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well ok, 30 or 35 mph for slower stuff! My mental speedo sucks! ------------- |
Posted By: TCA123
Date Posted: 07 October 2006 at 9:25pm
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I haven't a clue what speed i bowl at...but it's slow ------------- Offspinner, Right Arm Bat |
Posted By: MiNiWaRnEy
Date Posted: 08 October 2006 at 11:02am
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Slow spin is bad at times. It allows the batsmen to adjust to the way the ball spins and have time to play the shot. You are better off bowling a Shane Warne like speed (or if your younger then the equivalent for your age). ------------- |
Posted By: TCA123
Date Posted: 08 October 2006 at 12:30pm
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Well thats very often my problem. I get good turn but the batsman can so often play it off the back foot through the off side comfortably. When i speed up, my spin become less and loose my accuracy. I have a good quicker ball now which i'm trying to use to catch batsman out who try and play me off the back foot. But i can't bowl constantly at a quicker pace. ------------- Offspinner, Right Arm Bat |
Posted By: fishcake14
Date Posted: 08 October 2006 at 1:17pm
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When I bowl most of my deliveries speed up when they hit the ground and turn, don't know if that's just me or the pitches! ------------- |
Posted By: TCA123
Date Posted: 08 October 2006 at 1:18pm
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I also get alot of bounce. I would compare my style to harbhajan. I bowl outside off stump, spinning it in to the stumps and i can get many deliveries to take off the pitch. but this bounce oftens helps the batsman to play it off the back foot. ------------- Offspinner, Right Arm Bat |
Posted By: fishcake14
Date Posted: 08 October 2006 at 1:20pm
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But without the turban! I don't get much bounce, the only ball the bounces quite far above the stumps is the topspinner ------------- |
Posted By: TCA123
Date Posted: 08 October 2006 at 1:29pm
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and the slingy action! ------------- Offspinner, Right Arm Bat |
Posted By: 70_degree_spin
Date Posted: 08 October 2006 at 7:05pm
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Does anyone else get more accuracy off a higher action? I do. One more thing, leg spinners out there, my best wicket taking ball is my slow, bouncy big turner with the highest action possible. Does anyone else use this sort of ball? ------------- [ |
Posted By: fishcake14
Date Posted: 08 October 2006 at 7:12pm
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Both yes. My best wicket taking ballis a big turning googly, very well disguised ( I hope! ) ------------- |
Posted By: 70_degree_spin
Date Posted: 08 October 2006 at 7:16pm
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I get a few stumpings off the ball I just mentioned, they think "oh
this is juicy" and then they get beaten in the flight. Needless to say
you shouldnt try this when youre trying to save runs because I've also
been hit for many sixes with this ball.
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Posted By: fishcake14
Date Posted: 08 October 2006 at 7:24pm
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You need to mix up your pace when you're trying to save runs. Line and length helps too,of course! ------------- |