Bowlers height?
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Topic: Bowlers height?
Posted By: Kerm
Subject: Bowlers height?
Date Posted: 11 September 2006 at 11:01pm
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I have been looking around and is there any real reason why a few inches of height seems to vitally important to fast bowling, been looking around player profiles and almost all of the international fast bowlers are 6ft+, is this because of an angle thing or just the fact being taller gives more body strength ? ------------- Kerm |
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Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 12 September 2006 at 12:23am
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They get more bounce mate. Thats all I can say ! ------------- In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage. |
Posted By: NZ_Fast
Date Posted: 12 September 2006 at 6:05am
Yup thats pretty much it, they hit the pitch harder.... also a yorker form a taller man is harder to get under/smash at the death since its coming down at a steeper angle (or something like that) |
Posted By: cheech
Date Posted: 12 September 2006 at 8:47am
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yeah quite true, tall bowlers BANG it down into the pitch, giving it bounce and even a bit more movement. personally, i dont think they have to try as hard, cos they arent throwing the ball horizontally but more downwards =P ------------- "If it's worth doing, it's worth overdoing!!!" |
Posted By: Kerm
Date Posted: 12 September 2006 at 9:54am
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Guess I will have to work extra hard to prove this not entirely correct then =P not that i'm actually all that short just not quite the 6ft+ all the internationals are. ------------- Kerm |
Posted By: wiseguy
Date Posted: 12 September 2006 at 11:25am
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Arguably the best and the fastest bowler of the world at his time Malcolm Marshal was never a tall man and he had an awsome rising delivery, though he never bowled too many yorkers. Though it really helps being tall but its not essential, some how in modern cricket most fast bowlers are tall, but still I wont take much away from sreesanth may be the shortest of indian quicks for being fast and effective! ------------- so far so good! |
Posted By: TCA123
Date Posted: 12 September 2006 at 9:00pm
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Tall bowlers get more bounce. Their main asset really. ------------- Offspinner, Right Arm Bat |
Posted By: Pietersen Fan
Date Posted: 13 September 2006 at 3:34pm
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does anybody know wether its an advantage or disadvantage to be a tall spin bowler?
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Posted By: 70_degree_spin
Date Posted: 13 September 2006 at 7:26pm
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It's not, Warne and Murali are small, it would come in handy if the
batsman was eager to sweep you though but apart from that it's probably
a disadvantage considering there's only one decent tall spin bowler.
(Anil Kumble)
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Posted By: DRAVID FAN
Date Posted: 13 September 2006 at 9:19pm
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Their bouncers could also be deadly coming at a great height. ------------- |
Posted By: Jayasuriya
Date Posted: 13 September 2006 at 9:28pm
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being tall gtes you bounce, and gets you pace aswell in my opinion. The perfect height is Glen mcgraths. I remmeber seeing in an article how a 5'4 indian player was getting speeds of 83 mp/h! now thats crazy.It also depends on the action too. Lasith Malinga is 5'10 and gets 90mp/h. ------------- Sri Lanka to win the WORLD CUP 07 |
Posted By: DRAVID FAN
Date Posted: 13 September 2006 at 9:30pm
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The English bowlers are really tall. Almost all of them are above 6'3. Thats also crazy. ------------- |
Posted By: Jayasuriya
Date Posted: 13 September 2006 at 9:41pm
it is, they say Broad is going to turn out to be 6'9  ------------- Sri Lanka to win the WORLD CUP 07 |
Posted By: DRAVID FAN
Date Posted: 13 September 2006 at 9:43pm
The next Tony Greg. Just a little shorter.  ------------- |
Posted By: inzamam329
Date Posted: 13 September 2006 at 9:46pm
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Tall bowlers are so lethal on bouncy tracks. Batsmen are never in when facing a pacy guy like harmy or flintoff on a bouncy track, with their height. ------------- |
Posted By: ashes 2 ashes
Date Posted: 14 September 2006 at 2:29am
i bowl just like malinga, i have the same action. would it be better to bowl with a slinglike acton like his or the orthordox method? i ca bowl either, i just would like to know which action would produce the most speed/accuracy ------------- the ashes are ours!!!!!!!!!! |
Posted By: Jayasuriya
Date Posted: 14 September 2006 at 4:51am
 i think you should try the malinga action in the orthodox position. Instead of side arm you should bowl strait down but keep the sling like action. I think you will gain more speed than you wouldbowling orthodox. This way you will gain the same accuracy and more speed ------------- Sri Lanka to win the WORLD CUP 07 |
Posted By: cheech
Date Posted: 14 September 2006 at 11:38am
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well i think being tall doenst helkp spin that much. the ball will go straight down, and you will have to bowl it flat, or toss it up and bowl slow to make it loop. stick to the pace mate ;) ------------- "If it's worth doing, it's worth overdoing!!!" |
Posted By: Pietersen Fan
Date Posted: 14 September 2006 at 9:53pm
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i am small, yay ------------- check out the ultimate spinners guide - spinny.co.nr |
Posted By: Burner
Date Posted: 14 September 2006 at 11:14pm
| I remember seeing Malcolm Marshall rip out Gavaskar's off stump in the (bi?)centennial test at Lords - He was serious quick and normal size too. He did skid it on though which made his short deliveries difficult to play. |
Posted By: Kerm
Date Posted: 14 September 2006 at 11:36pm
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Being a tall spinner can have some advantages, if people try and sweep you they have problems as the ball bounces a little more then usual and gets top edges. ------------- Kerm |
Posted By: Jayasuriya
Date Posted: 15 September 2006 at 2:04am
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Yes being a tall spinner can have some advantages, but mostly disadvantages. Being a tall spinner may get you bounce, but it will make it hard for it to dip low, instead it will bouncer normally if you know what I mean. It is easier to read a tall spinner as the ball takes longer for it to pitch on the ground, and the batmen has time to read the variation of the ball before it pitches on tio the ground. (exception for ANil kumble bcuz hes still great even though he is tall) ------------- Sri Lanka to win the WORLD CUP 07 |
Posted By: MP12
Date Posted: 15 September 2006 at 6:39am
| Being tall can also intimidate batsman more than a bowler that is shorter |
Posted By: MiNiWaRnEy
Date Posted: 15 September 2006 at 12:56pm
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It is not just the bounce, with a fast bowler when they are bowling full, the ball stays higehr in the air and can gain more movement in the air. Being tall also means you do not have to be as fast because you get the bounce, therefore being tall you do not need to use as much as strength and strain yourself.
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Posted By: Kerm
Date Posted: 15 September 2006 at 1:53pm
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I have a few theories on how being a little short could help with pace bowling but i'll leave them in my head untill I try some. ------------- Kerm |
Posted By: 70_degree_spin
Date Posted: 15 September 2006 at 7:30pm
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Anil Kumble bolws faster than normal spin bowlers, maybe thats necessary because of his height, we should ask him!
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Posted By: TCA123
Date Posted: 15 September 2006 at 11:11pm
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No i just think that's his style. ------------- Offspinner, Right Arm Bat |
Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 16 September 2006 at 7:53pm
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Tall fast bowlers can get wicked lateal movement of the seam because they bang it on the deck. E.g Freddie - his iinswingers are big ! ------------- In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage. |
Posted By: TCA123
Date Posted: 17 September 2006 at 6:25pm
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They can often get more reverse swing because the ball dteriorates faster because they hit the deck harder. ------------- Offspinner, Right Arm Bat |
Posted By: 70_degree_spin
Date Posted: 17 September 2006 at 8:24pm
The bit about McGrath being the perfect height: That si ridiculous. That's like saying you should have Shane Warne's hair because he is the best in the world. No matter what height you are, you could take 500 test wickets if you are good enough. After all, I doubt if anyone will ever have Muralis action even though he's fantastic. ------------- [ |
Posted By: Kerm
Date Posted: 17 September 2006 at 8:31pm
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I have just started putting alot of time and effort into some fast bowling. No idea what speed i'm bowling at but its not slow. Hoping to build on that and add in all the variations to prove that someone slightly less then 6ft is capable of it in England/Australia. Just out of interest how tall is Shane Bond, he is far from slow. ------------- Kerm |
Posted By: jhj87
Date Posted: 14 February 2007 at 11:56pm
| shane bond is 6ft+, Kerm u may think u bowl quick but then u see a pro quick bowl, then u kno wot quick is. being tall as a qucik bowler has lots of advantages, u get more carry, u get more movement off the seam, ur yorkers are harder to play because the length is harder to read. but there have been many good short fast bowlers. darren gough is only 5.10 and so was malcolm marshall. if u are short you tend to skid the ball so pitch the ball up and swing it. smaller fast bowlers tend to have to be quicker to be succesful to try and rush batsman. im not tall but when i run in and try and hit the pitch hard i get very good carry and only bowl at 70mph. |
Posted By: Shane Warnabee
Date Posted: 15 February 2007 at 10:39am
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is it possible to be really fast at a height of 5.1? ------------- What goes around comes around! |
Posted By: Kerm
Date Posted: 15 February 2007 at 1:10pm
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Of course, the general conclusion I have come to however is that if
your short, in that case really short, you have to rely on good
technique and a slingy action.
------------- Kerm |
Posted By: W.G.
Date Posted: 15 February 2007 at 9:47pm
------------- When you win the toss - bat. If you are in doubt, think about it - then bat. If you have very big doubts, consult a colleague - then bat. |
Posted By: RightHandBat
Date Posted: 16 February 2007 at 11:07pm
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If you're short, you should become a batsman and make good use of your 'levers' to get into position quickly when facing the bowler. You'd want a bowler to have longer arms than a batsman.
------------- "His classical hits down the ground, met with a checked drive, were Tendulkar at his best. It was though he had a new lease of life." - Sachin Tendulkar's return to cricket with a 91-Ball century. |
Posted By: The CCC
Date Posted: 17 February 2007 at 6:35pm
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it's better to be small as a spin bowler because there will be more you can do with flight etc...
As a pacer, it's definite advantage to be tall (6ft+). Not only do you get more bounce and things like that but you can also scare the batsman silly. ------------- CCC-Carcassonne Cricket Club Support us, then play us!!!Second hand equipment etc highly welcomed!!! |
Posted By: jhj87
Date Posted: 17 February 2007 at 10:41pm
| good point CCC but i think that if you are tall then you can still be a succesful spinner, like anil kumble, but you will never get the same flight so must rely on bounce. RightHandBat i think what you have said is rubbish. not many people are quality batsman, but even less are very quick bowlers, so if you can bowl quick, bowl! because you have a very rare talent. small batsman do not have gd levers. tall batsman have good levers, their longer arms allow them to create a larger arc when swinging the bat and hit the ball further. |
Posted By: Pietersen Fan
Date Posted: 17 February 2007 at 10:50pm
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yeh but small batsmen are nightmares to bowl to because they can pul or cut anything thts even slightly off the floor ------------- check out the ultimate spinners guide - spinny.co.nr |
Posted By: jhj87
Date Posted: 17 February 2007 at 11:01pm
| well a good length ball is the same to anyone, so they try and cut it and they have a huge chance of knicking it. |
Posted By: RightHandBat
Date Posted: 17 February 2007 at 11:05pm
Look at Sachin Tendulkar, or Don Bradman, or Lara, or Ponting, or Gavaskar. They're not even 1.8m, so I don't believe what I've said is rubbish. A batsman and bowler have different biomechanics, or whatever the word is. You'd prefer a bowler to be taller, and have longer arms than a batsman. The Little Master Sachin is only 1.68m and he's always in position earlier than any other batsman, it's because of his short levers, and those short movements which he can use to his advantage to get into position quicker, therfore having more time when batting. ------------- "His classical hits down the ground, met with a checked drive, were Tendulkar at his best. It was though he had a new lease of life." - Sachin Tendulkar's return to cricket with a 91-Ball century. |
Posted By: jhj87
Date Posted: 17 February 2007 at 11:08pm
| kevin pietersen is a tall, so is andrew flintoff, so is alistair cook, so is graeme smith, kallis, gilchrist, symonds, white, hayden. small or tall doesnt really matter when your a batsman or a bowler really. |
Posted By: RightHandBat
Date Posted: 17 February 2007 at 11:10pm
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Usually those players who have brilliant technique and aren't really tall, like the ones I mentioned, those are the players who are in position earlier than anyone else and they have time to play their shots, thats what seperates good batsman from the great batsman.
------------- "His classical hits down the ground, met with a checked drive, were Tendulkar at his best. It was though he had a new lease of life." - Sachin Tendulkar's return to cricket with a 91-Ball century. |
Posted By: jhj87
Date Posted: 17 February 2007 at 11:32pm
| kevin pietersen looks like he has all the time in world to play his shots, who else whips balls a foot outside off and hits them square on the on side? |
Posted By: The CCC
Date Posted: 18 February 2007 at 9:41pm
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well...KP is different isn't he...
What RHB is saying is right in that smaller batsmen have less trouble deeling with line/length but taller batsmen do tend to be able to put more power in to their shots off the front foot (height increasing velocity of bat=ball goes further). Taller batsmen also have the adv of a longer reach. Mind, it can also be a disadvantage... ------------- CCC-Carcassonne Cricket Club Support us, then play us!!!Second hand equipment etc highly welcomed!!! |
Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 18 February 2007 at 9:54pm
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Height can be a factor in those things but what makes you great is the natural talent that you have. Tendulkar's insticts are probably quicker than others and that's why it looks as if he has the world of time to hit a ball. Height doesn't really make you a better pacer but it gives you the advantage of bounce. Marshall was small but combines speed and swing. Kumble is tall and uses his high realease to generate steepling bounce. If you use what you've got, then you will become great! ------------- In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage. |