Stuart MacGill : The unluckiest
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Topic: Stuart MacGill : The unluckiest
Posted By: dips_december
Subject: Stuart MacGill : The unluckiest
Date Posted: 17 September 2006 at 6:38am
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Amazingly, the leg-spinner's overall Test record begs the question as to why he continues to find himself more out of the Aussie team than in it. In 32 Tests, he's bagged 152 scalps with a strike rate of 55.5. Incredibly, that puts him way ahead of other leading spin bowlers, including Muttiah Muralitharan (58) and Anil Kumble (65), thus adding to the irony of his exile from the Test arena. His only sin, it seems, is that he is 'expensive', with wickets costing him 29.19 apiece. There's Shane Warne with 389 more scalps so he appears to have every right to be picked first. Yet his strike rate of a shade under 60 certainly puts a new turn on things. Indeed, MacGill has often stepped up to the plate with Warne absent. The 1998/99 Ashes series saw the still relatively raw leg-spinner come back from being left out of Australia's second Test win in Perth to spearhead the Aussie attack with 27 wickets in the series, including a stunning 12-wicket haul in Sydney. England, however, are not MacGill's forte. The majority of his success has come against Brian Lara's men, with 48 wickets from 12 Tests against Brian Lara's men, nabbing the legendary lefty four times. What about the fact that he's accounted for more than a quarter of his team's wickets when he has played and that Australia have lost just six of those matches to boot? Shane Warne’s 12-month drugs ban last year left MacGill with a chance to finally strut his stuff on the Test stage. He responded with 53 wickets in 11 Tests for a total haul of 57 that made him the second highest wicket-taker for 2003. Unfortunately, that is where things, quite literally, spun to a halt. Warne returned to tackle Sri Lanka and nobody, especially the Sri Lankan batsmen, could stop the rampant veteran who obliterated all and sundry with 26 scalps at 20 apiece in three Tests. In contrast, MacGill could only manage five at a more pedestrian average of 46.4. Once could also question his absence from Australia's tour party in India. He may have just 14 wickets from four Tests against the same opposition, but Warne's record going into the recent series was 29 from just 12 Tests. Add in the nature of the wickets incurred during that series and who knows what might have been.(Source : cricket65) He has always been my favourite leg spinner although Shane Warne has been the greatest .When he was asked that why dosent he laugh or enjoy when he takes a wicket ,he said : "Its tough to even smile ." |
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Posted By: TCA123
Date Posted: 17 September 2006 at 11:51am
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I hear (i wouldn't know) that MacGill causes Warne to perform worse with him in the side. Why this would be the case i don't know. But if it was true, i could understand why the selectors would do whatever they could to give Warne the attack around him that brings the best out of their prized asset. ------------- Offspinner, Right Arm Bat |
Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 17 September 2006 at 4:39pm
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I am with you dips. Macgill is a fine leggy to me. He is just unlucky to be born in the same era as warne. His strike rate is real good. He can rip the ball a mile as well.... also possess the best "wrong un" or second best and its hard to pick too. When Warnie wasn't around, the lad bowled well. When warnie and him are around, he outbowls Warne so I can't see why him and warne can't play together. You see, the reason why he may out bowl shane when they are playing is because the batsmen knows that the only how they are gonna gets runs is against macgill cause in those times it was mcgrath and gillespie was no joke either. I want to see more of macgill. Why couldn't he have been born in the windies. ------------- In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage. |
Posted By: Wal Bada
Date Posted: 17 September 2006 at 4:52pm
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How's McGills record against better spin playing nations? LIke India and Sri Lanka. I think the real difference between an excpetionally good leggie and a legend gets exposed when they are bowling to IND, SL or PAK teams, simply any thing loose from a spinner will disappear to or over the boundry and some times even good ones do!
McGill is an exceptionally good leggie, but he will not make a legend as his bowling to subcontinent players is poor. (Remember how Sehwag took him apart) ------------- Don't argue with fools. They'll drag you down to their level and then beat you with experiance |
Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 17 September 2006 at 6:15pm
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the sub continent lads took apart warnie too and sehwag just have a history of butchering any attack. ------------- In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage. |
Posted By: TCA123
Date Posted: 17 September 2006 at 6:18pm
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Anyone have his career stats? ------------- Offspinner, Right Arm Bat |
Posted By: Wal Bada
Date Posted: 17 September 2006 at 7:26pm
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Stuart MacGill
Career M - 40, W - 198, Avg - 27.2, ER - 3.16, SR - 51.57 India M - 4, W - 14, Avg - 50.78, ER - 3.65, SR - 83.4 Pakistan M - 4, W - 23, Avg - 25.30, ER - 3.33, SR - 45.5 Sri Lanka M - 2, W - 5, Avg - 46.40, ER - 4.19, SR - 66.4 Shane Warne Career M - 140, W - 685, Avg - 25.25, ER - 2.64, SR - 57.3 India M - 14, W - 43, Avg - 47.18, ER - 3.10, SR - 91.2 Pakistan M - 15, W -90, Avg - 20.17, ER - 2.68, SR - 45.0 Sri Lanka M - 13, W - 59, Avg- 25.54, ER - 2.85, SR - 53.6 Muralitharan Career M - 108, W - 657, Avg - 21.96, ER - 2.39, SR - 55.0 India M - 15, W - 67, Avg - 32.47, ER - 2.73, SR - 71.2 Pakistan M - 14, W - 79, Avg - 23.31, ER - 2.58, SR - 54.1 Australia M - 11, W - 55, Avg - 31.41, ER - 3.03, SR - 62.1 This shows few important facts
This is the reason why I am not calling MacGill a legend like Warne ------------- Don't argue with fools. They'll drag you down to their level and then beat you with experiance |
Posted By: TCA123
Date Posted: 17 September 2006 at 8:15pm
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Thanks wal. I think Australia have missed a trick by not bedding Warne and Macgill into a spin partnership. ------------- Offspinner, Right Arm Bat |
Posted By: inzamam329
Date Posted: 17 September 2006 at 8:20pm
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Unlike Warne, Mcgill will always garauntee you a long hop or a full toss atleast once every over. He is not as consistent as warne in bolwing a tight line and lenth and not giving away freebies to take away the pressure. Bowling 4 or 5 excellent delviries and building the pressure for that over, then suddnly drop one short or a full toss, getting hit for a 4 or six ruins tha hard work for that over. ------------- |
Posted By: TCA123
Date Posted: 17 September 2006 at 8:32pm
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I hear nothing but good things about Macgill. Is he overrated by Aussies than? ------------- Offspinner, Right Arm Bat |
Posted By: 70_degree_spin
Date Posted: 17 September 2006 at 8:48pm
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He isn't as clever as Warne, he sort of reminds me of Sami because he
tries to get so much spin on the ball like what Sami does with his pace. However, he is a fantastic bowler and for any other nation would have bagged hundreds more wickets. ------------- [ |
Posted By: TCA123
Date Posted: 17 September 2006 at 9:26pm
 like England? ------------- Offspinner, Right Arm Bat |
Posted By: Wal Bada
Date Posted: 18 September 2006 at 3:20am
 ------------- Don't argue with fools. They'll drag you down to their level and then beat you with experiance |
Posted By: dips_december
Date Posted: 18 September 2006 at 5:06am
Thats what MacGill has always said that if he and warne play tigether it will reduce the pressure of Warne . ------------- |
Posted By: TCA123
Date Posted: 18 September 2006 at 9:55pm
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in theory i would tend to agree. Wouldnt Macgill improve as a player too with the very best to observe? ------------- Offspinner, Right Arm Bat |
Posted By: DRAVID FAN
Date Posted: 18 September 2006 at 9:59pm
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The most unlucky cricketer in the history of cricket followed by Sir Don Bradman.
He is a great bowler and desrves more than what he got from the ACB. Unfortunate to be born in the era of Shane Waren. If he got the chance, you never know, he might have crossed the greatest leg spinner of all time. ------------- |
Posted By: TCA123
Date Posted: 19 September 2006 at 5:54pm
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I can't believe that Aussies have two good leggies and England find it hard to get a below average one. ------------- Offspinner, Right Arm Bat |
Posted By: cheech
Date Posted: 20 September 2006 at 7:57am
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well, going back to 2nd post, whenever both leggies (stuey and warney) have played, warney has been performing below average. Im not sure why. Anyway coming to think of it, ive never seen warney bowl a bad ball, or a BIG wide. only wides he ever bowls was if it doesnt spin out of the rough into stupms from RHB's legstump. Stuey on the other hand... he doesnt bowl so hot in aussie state cricket. ------------- "If it's worth doing, it's worth overdoing!!!" |
Posted By: 70_degree_spin
Date Posted: 20 September 2006 at 5:25pm
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Why was Don Bradman so unlucky, the famous googly was a jaffa. It wasn't luck or are you talking about something else?
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Posted By: mAni_paKi
Date Posted: 20 September 2006 at 9:24pm
Never mind he could be the NXe greatest LEg spinner.Tension not.By the way wats his age? ------------- blaa blaa blaa |
Posted By: dips_december
Date Posted: 21 September 2006 at 1:57pm
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He is 34 or 35 . ------------- |
Posted By: mAni_paKi
Date Posted: 21 September 2006 at 3:41pm
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if he can make it to Australian team then his career coulkd long for jus 4 years.I think so ------------- blaa blaa blaa |
Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 21 September 2006 at 8:52pm
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70 degrees spin, bradman was the unluckiest according "dravid fan" as he missed that average of 100 because of the duck he got from the mischievious googly. ------------- In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage. |
Posted By: dips_december
Date Posted: 22 September 2006 at 5:39am
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What do you mean by saying he can make it ,macca is already in the aussie test squad . ------------- |
Posted By: TCA123
Date Posted: 04 October 2006 at 7:54pm
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But he hardly ever plays. ------------- Offspinner, Right Arm Bat |
Posted By: DRAVID FAN
Date Posted: 04 October 2006 at 8:27pm
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That's because there is also another human robot called Shane Keith Warne.
I said robot because he turns the ball in such a way that it's almost possible only for a robot. ------------- |
Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 05 October 2006 at 11:12pm
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Macgill can spin it more than him mate! ------------- In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage. |
Posted By: dips_december
Date Posted: 06 October 2006 at 11:43am
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Yep although Warney has more control over his spin ,Macca always tends to take more wickets when both play together . Here it is : Mat Runs HS BatAv 100 50 W BB BowlAv 5w Ct St ------------- |
Posted By: DRAVID FAN
Date Posted: 06 October 2006 at 12:56pm
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That was a really long statistic. ------------- |
Posted By: TCA123
Date Posted: 06 October 2006 at 8:26pm
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unreadable i can't understand it ------------- Offspinner, Right Arm Bat |
Posted By: BOBBI
Date Posted: 01 November 2006 at 2:34pm
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It basically tells us that Warne is a master and MacGill, whilst a very good bowler is not in the same class. By the way Barry Richards is the unluckiest cricketer of all time. ------------- Judge the player not by their stats, but by their opposition. |
Posted By: TCA123
Date Posted: 01 November 2006 at 9:08pm
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why? ------------- Offspinner, Right Arm Bat |
Posted By: slogger72N/O
Date Posted: 02 November 2006 at 8:12am
| Blimey dips, that was a lot of stats, i gave up after the first few because there were just too many. |
Posted By: BOBBI
Date Posted: 02 November 2006 at 8:42pm
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Atleast MacGill has been given the opportunty to represent his country as many times as he has. Richards was a class above all bar the Don, yet was only given 4 test matches to show his class in tests. You could also say Jamie Siddons is the unluckiest. MacGill has been given more oportunities than many so do not cry for a guy who has taken nearly 200 wickets. ------------- Judge the player not by their stats, but by their opposition. |
Posted By: fishcake14
Date Posted: 02 November 2006 at 8:54pm
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Have you got any stats for this guy, Bobbi? ------------- |
Posted By: dips_december
Date Posted: 05 November 2006 at 7:04am
 Stop this nonsense .this is a macgill thread if u want to compare rihards vs don do it in another thread please------------- |