Chanderpaul
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Topic: Chanderpaul
Posted By: Freddie
Subject: Chanderpaul
Date Posted: 20 October 2006 at 6:21pm
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Now, Shivnarine Chanderpaul is one of the world's best known batsmen, and one of the best in both forms of the game, but what has concerned me is his scoring rate in the recent Champions Trophy qualifying games. Now, against Zimbabwe chasing only 85 to win, Chris Gayle scored 41 from 34 balls, and Brian Lara scored 24 from 20 balls, however at the other end Chanderpaul scored an unbeaten 14 from just 36 balls, a strike rate of just 38.88. And again, against the Bangladeshis, chasing just 162 for victory, Chris Gayle scored 104 from 118 balls, a strike rate of almost 90, whilst Chanderpaul scored 52, albeit from 104 balls, a strike rate of only 50. So, in games like Zimbabwe and Bangladesh, it wouldn't really matter how slowly he scores because it's likely they'll win, but what happens when they have to chase a total of 300+, because if Shivnarine scores a half-century, but off 100 balls, it's not going to win them the game unless his other team-mates pull back the 50 ball deficit, which could result in them failing to chase down the total. So, do you think Shivnarine Chanderpaul is worthy of a place in one-day cricket for the West Indies unless he sorts his strike-rate out or not? And do you think he is scoring too slowly in the one-day format of the game? Your views.....
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Posted By: Ck_spin
Date Posted: 20 October 2006 at 7:02pm
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you should take a look at morton before critisizing chanderpaul. If one of them is getting dropped, there is a 90% chance that the person is morton. |
Posted By: 70_degree_spin
Date Posted: 20 October 2006 at 9:04pm
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No, he scored 90* against Australia, thats amazing. Chanderpaul batted slowly against Bangladesh to give Chris Gayle the century and slowly against Zimbabwe because it would be unfair for the next man to come in with like 4 runs left to win. I dont think its open to discussion to be honest, hes a fantastic batsman and his career strike rate is impressive so I dont know why you made this poll.... ------------- [ |
Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 20 October 2006 at 11:25pm
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Nope mate, whatever happens, they can't drop chanderpaul. Too valuable a member to the windies side. ------------- In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage. |
Posted By: Clobber
Date Posted: 20 October 2006 at 11:56pm
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The 2 games you use as examples were cases where the Windies would win so long as they were not bowled out and that was what Chanderpaul was ensuring. Bear in mind this guy has the 3rd fastest Test century in history (against Australia no less) before saying he has no shots. I also recall an ODI against England on a tough pitch where he weathered the storm making 10 off 50-odd balls then having played himself in made 75 or so off the next 40. |
Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 21 October 2006 at 12:46am
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True clobs and thats why I said he shouldn't be dropped at all. He also plays better as an opener in Odi's. He can't make runs in every match so you never know but the runs will come though. ------------- In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage. |
Posted By: DRAVID FAN
Date Posted: 21 October 2006 at 1:08am
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His scoring rate is fine. At times he goes slowly, but he can do a lot of damage if needed. Almost same as Dravid. Had made 50(22) and has also made 17(100). ------------- |
Posted By: NZ_Fast
Date Posted: 21 October 2006 at 6:33am
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There was an article about this on cricinfo not to long ago. i'll try find it I think his scoring rate is fine Edit: found the article http://wwwc3.cricinfo.com/columns/content/story/259630.html |
Posted By: dips_december
Date Posted: 21 October 2006 at 6:44am
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i think ill go with clobs and spin .shiv is a valueable player and he has proved it time and again that he is good enough to be playing odi's .on his day he can really prove to be a match winner .he is just having a poor run .one member who needs to be dropped immediately is wavell hinds . ------------- |
Posted By: 70_degree_spin
Date Posted: 21 October 2006 at 10:50pm
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I agree, I've never seen him make runs, literally!
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Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 21 October 2006 at 10:52pm
I've seen hinds make runs but at the moment he seems like he is just at the learning stage in his life!  ------------- In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage. |
Posted By: DRAVID FAN
Date Posted: 21 October 2006 at 11:45pm
Completely true. He plays like W.G.Grace. Slow to the lowest level. ------------- |
Posted By: ANIL KUMBLE
Date Posted: 22 October 2006 at 3:49am
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Shivnarine Chanderpaul likes playing against the Aussies did you not see his innings of 90 odd runs from 80 balls which included 4 sixes, and yes as Clobs pointed out has the 3rd fastest test century started slowly in that match but just went BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG!!! ------------- Check out my blog http://crictopia.blogspot.com/ pretty bad though... |
Posted By: dips_december
Date Posted: 22 October 2006 at 4:59am
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All i can say : ------------- |
(Very funny)Posted By: DRAVID FAN
Date Posted: 22 October 2006 at 4:15pm
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Chanderpaul can never be underestimated. If he is in form, he is very difficult to get out. ------------- |
Posted By: 70_degree_spin
Date Posted: 22 October 2006 at 7:56pm
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This is completely off topic but has anyone ever looked at the
scorecards from the 19th century on cricinfo? The games must have been
a cure for insomnia, a bowlers stats were like this once. 80 overs, 69
runs and 3 wickets.
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Posted By: Sledger
Date Posted: 23 October 2006 at 6:51am
You try batting on a cow pat covered meadow lad , you might find it a tad difficult! ------------- Mental disintegration works for me !! |
Posted By: Clobber
Date Posted: 23 October 2006 at 9:17am
| you've just described my club's ground to perfection Sledge! |
Posted By: Sledger
Date Posted: 23 October 2006 at 9:54am
I love rural cricket Clobs!! ------------- Mental disintegration works for me !! |
Posted By: mAni_paKi
Date Posted: 25 October 2006 at 6:54pm
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hes a match winning player,also experienced player.hes just fine nothin wrong with his batting. ------------- blaa blaa blaa |
Posted By: 70_degree_spin
Date Posted: 27 October 2006 at 10:17pm
I suppose but you would think the run rate would be a bit more than that.I've batted on terrible pitches before and the best way is to atatck the bowlers along the ground when possible, not block endlessly. ------------- [ |
Posted By: Jyothika
Date Posted: 02 November 2006 at 12:35pm
yeh, i also agree.  ------------- Everywhere is within walking distance if you have the time!!! |
Posted By: Clobber
Date Posted: 02 November 2006 at 4:38pm
today's game is a perfectly good illustration of his worthiness |
Posted By: inzamam329
Date Posted: 02 November 2006 at 6:17pm
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CHanderpaul is a fine fine player and has been a consistent performer for his team. He has his own style but a delight to watch when on song. I remeber his 60 something ball hundred in a test match against auss. ------------- |
Posted By: daisy77
Date Posted: 04 February 2007 at 6:13pm
Ok yes do you remember Morton's 31 balls duck??? Or something like that....thirty something ball duck......that's certain. Really a disappointment. Some people feel that a golden duck is bad but his duck was one of the worst ever!  ------------- |
Posted By: daisy77
Date Posted: 04 February 2007 at 6:17pm
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This is a senseless thread! How in the world can anyone even consider dropping Chanderpaul??? My........Chanderpaul is an excellent ODI player. He does NOT bat too slow. His strike rate is high and I prefer him to Gayle. Many people think Gayle is amazing and he is when he is playing his shots but let's face it........Chanders is class....He can bat to fit mostly any situation and he is one of the few experienced people on the windies team so dropping him would be the most retarded decision ever in the history of cricket! ------------- |
Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 04 February 2007 at 6:21pm
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Well, I think the way Chander has performed against PAK and India surely shows how worthy he is to the Windies side. He always tries to get set and not to go berserk like the horrendous D Smith! ------------- In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage. |
Posted By: slogger72N/O
Date Posted: 04 February 2007 at 6:54pm
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He's a class player, just becasue he scored slowly in 2 games doesn't mean he should be out the door, he's one of the W.Indies best players ------------- |
Posted By: Freddie
Date Posted: 04 February 2007 at 7:11pm
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I do now take back what I said, bearing in mind I made this thread well over three months ago now, his speed of scoring in those few games was concerning in my opinion, but having seen him in the Pakistan and India series he's been scoring fine now and he's worthy of a place in the side. ------------- On extended leave... |
Posted By: Chin Music
Date Posted: 05 February 2007 at 9:56am
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The main reason I really love Chanderpaul is that in a West Indies side which has often seemed to lack fight he has been the one man with b0ll0cks (to use the technical term). I particularly remember his performances in England two or three years ago. ------------- Turnham Green CC Fast bowler & middle/lower-order bat |
Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 05 February 2007 at 1:52pm
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I believe if Chander had open all of his time in ODI's, he would have had a better record. Coming down the order late sometimes and coming early when the team is in loads of trouble isn't easy at all. Well, he is easily the best batsman after Lara in the Windies side. ------------- In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage. |
Posted By: daisy77
Date Posted: 18 October 2007 at 5:51pm
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Yup I agree with the last part of that statment spin! He's definately the best batsman on the team now that Lara is gone. ------------- |
Posted By: Sledger
Date Posted: 19 October 2007 at 7:49am
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Only EIGHT months to respond to SW's comment then Daisy......
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Posted By: Clobber
Date Posted: 19 October 2007 at 9:16am
| well you can see a lot of thought and consideration went into it :/ |
Posted By: Sledger
Date Posted: 19 October 2007 at 10:18am
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Yep , step aside Bamber Gasgoine !
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Posted By: daisy77
Date Posted: 19 October 2007 at 4:04pm
...nah i don't think i come into "cricket world ratings"a lot. ------------- |
Posted By: daisy77
Date Posted: 19 October 2007 at 4:06pm
Yup you are sure right about that.....it's always good to think before you speak no matter how long some people take to think! ------------- |
Posted By: ketz
Date Posted: 19 October 2007 at 6:09pm
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Chanderpaul is a player who gets the job done. If you want him to stay in and hold up an end he will do it. If you are chasing 300+ and need an explosive cameo he can do it. He his scoring at a faster rate than people give him credit for. He is indispensable to the West Indies team and cannot be replaced. ------------- |
Posted By: bondy
Date Posted: 19 October 2007 at 6:34pm
I thought women could see through sarcasm... ------------- Good one Graham! |
Posted By: daisy77
Date Posted: 03 January 2008 at 6:11pm
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How do you know that I didn't know it was sarcasm???? Maybe I just wanted to respond to sarcasm....... ------------- |
Posted By: daisy77
Date Posted: 03 January 2008 at 6:19pm
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It's funny looking at this thread now...think about dropping Chanderpaul now... . The windies batting card will look like a joke! ------------- |
Posted By: bondy
Date Posted: 04 January 2008 at 8:39am
only three months to respond this time  ------------- Good one Graham! |
Posted By: cobra
Date Posted: 04 January 2008 at 9:19am
| in my view chandrpaul must play in all WI games ODI and test as long as he is fit a player of his class is a must you don't leave out your most effective and most expirence player at no time |
Posted By: bondy
Date Posted: 05 January 2008 at 2:58am
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For some reason I really want the guy to achieve- he's a quiet achiever, a likable guy who in all honesty is playing in a lost cause for the Windies. ------------- Good one Graham! |
Posted By: The Tyke
Date Posted: 05 January 2008 at 3:08am
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I like him alot when he's at the crease. That strange stance that looks so awkward, his relaxed temperament that pretty much says "I'm not bothered what you bowl at me, I'm not getting out to you," and the way that he builds an innings is also very strange to see in modern test cricket.
He can take forever to get off the mark it seems but he won't play a single expansive shot until he's ready to and this is why he normally makes good scores. ------------- Minn hugur er minn sverš (My mind is my sword) |
Posted By: bondy
Date Posted: 05 January 2008 at 3:27am
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excelelnt summation there tyke, his 65 no. is a perfect application of that theory; he only scored 7 boundaries. ------------- Good one Graham! |
Posted By: Jacob Oram Fan
Date Posted: 14 June 2008 at 5:57pm
| And why would Wes Indies want to drop Chanderpaul, for me he can also play in a mailto:Pro@0 - Pro20 too. |