Fields for Spinners
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Topic: Fields for Spinners
Posted By: Chin Music
Subject: Fields for Spinners
Date Posted: 29 January 2007 at 1:42pm
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Spin bowlers, as someone who's understanding of spin is limited, but keenly learning, I'm interested to know what fields you would use. Clearly this can't be simply answered as ii would depend so much on all the variations that can influence a game, but just a rough idea of what you'd consider to be your basic field to start with and how you might change it with the developmenat of the match. Also, I would appreciate you explaining WHY you use certain fields or plans rather than just running through
------------- Turnham Green CC Fast bowler & middle/lower-order bat |
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Posted By: Kerm
Date Posted: 29 January 2007 at 2:47pm
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Well from my own experiences of playing spin i'd say first guy in would be a close in fielder for bat-pad and legside flicks gone wrong, especially to leg spinners. I have seen all sorts of shots end up there.
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Posted By: 70_degree_spin
Date Posted: 29 January 2007 at 8:30pm
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Heres my ideal field when I start off. 1. Silly mid off 2. 1st Slip 3. Backward Point 4. Deep extra cover 5. Back ward square leg 6. Square leg 7. Short Midwicket 8. Long on 9. Mid off ------------- [ |
Posted By: Chin Music
Date Posted: 30 January 2007 at 10:54am
OK, so what's the plan or reasoning behind this field? ------------- Turnham Green CC Fast bowler & middle/lower-order bat |
Posted By: Vipera russelli
Date Posted: 30 January 2007 at 11:09am
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Mine is in a 3 day match,
1. Slip 2. Short mid wicket 3. Silly point/ Short leg 4. Short sqaure leg (45º position for the sweep) 5. Deep sqaure leg 6. Mid on 7. Mid off 8. Extra cover / Cover 9. Point Slip - for the arm ball of mine and to catch top edged during sweeps Short mid wicket - must, in sub continent when bowling to fleet footed wristy batsman, who flick it through mid wicket. The flick has to be perfect. Sliiy point/ Short leg - reason is obvious Short square leg - to catch mis hot sweeps and to stop paddle sweeps Deep sqaure leg - co catch the break away slog sweep if executed wronglym and to stop proper sweep if timed well. Mid on, Mid off - c'mon, hit me in the air!! Extra cover - I am goint to pitch the ball to hit the off. So the majority of shots will be on the off side and to stop well hit straigtish cover drive. Challenge is to sqaure drive me through the cover point, and then the gap opens between bat and pad Point / Backward point - To stop ferocious square cuts and back cuts the sub continet players play ------------- Diuretics are used to look good in TV shows |
Posted By: Pietersen Fan
Date Posted: 30 January 2007 at 4:09pm
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leg spinners are traditionally inacurate. add that to the fact that there are allsorts of varations, this makes setting a field for a leggy hard. offies are easier, id have a 4:5 field for an offie who turns it big but is innacurate.
heres my ideal field (im a leggy)
1st slip (close to bat) for the edge
gully - a thinker edge, for catch and stoping the 1
point - the cut stroke (my be moved when i implement the plan i like to impliment)
extra cover - stopping 1, catching
mid off - same as cover
long on - mooing
midwicket - catches, my be brought up closer if there bad at playing agoinst the spin
man on 45 - sweeping, my be put back if there smashing me through that area
silly mid off - and bat pad catches
the field could change for many reasons, depending on where the batsmen likes to play his shots, whether there a big hitter, or a defender, also if im "planning" eg trying to force a batsmen to play a shot inot a certain area.
A favourite of mine is moving point to somewhere else, bowling a short leggy and trying to make them cut me, then doing the exact same thing but in stead of bowling a leggy bowling a googly a slider or a toppy, trying to make them cut again and the hopefully get them bowled or lbw
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Posted By: Smack
Date Posted: 03 February 2007 at 5:16pm
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Leg Spinner field to a right handed batsmen:  Key
red dots = fielders
black dot = keeper
Explanation
Leg Side:
The field is designed for a leg spinner who turns the ball a good amount. The only man back on the leg side is a deep square leg as leggies can drag the ball down. The deep square is supposed to be slightly straighter then the conventional position bearing in mind that with the time allowed to the batsmen the ball is likely to be hit infront of square. However it is square enough to stop a full blooded sweep shot. Mid on is up encouraging the batsmen to go over the top, with the hope that the spin will take it away from the batsmen just enough for long off to take the catch. Man on the 45 and man placed for the bat pad.
Off Side:
As i said mid off back (long off) to try and catch the lofted straight drive. 1st slip in, could be pushed wider to a gullyish position if the batsmen likes to open the face. Point back on the boundary as the spin could offer enough width for the batsmen to use the cut shot. Again he's slightly infront of square, its purely a defensive position. Cover and extra cover both up encouraging the batsmen to go over the top. Batsmen would have to thread a needle to get it through them for 4 on the carpet. The option of bringing point up and sending cover back to the boundary could be used if the batsmen is particularly good at going over cover or if the bowler is bowling too straight/not getting enough turn to bring the deep point into play.
Yours sincerely
Duncan Fletcher
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Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 03 February 2007 at 5:40pm
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To a RHB in ODI for me:
Slips - for the turn that gets the edge.
mid on - for the occassional leggy that is pitched up outside the leg stump.
Square leg - to save the shot that the batters turn to the leg side.
Deep mid wicket - for the slog sweep
fine leg - to save the single to the sweep shot and a top edge off it.
long off - for the ball that pitches up outside the off.
covers - same like mid off
backward point - for the imminent bad ball.
deep cover point - to protect the imminent bad ball from resulting in a boundary.
In a 2 day match etc, I would change the long off to mid off. Put a short leg instead of square leg. Also to bring up the deep cover point to cover point. If the pitch is spinning and bouncing a lot, then I would remove the cover point and add another attacking option either at slips or at silly point ------------- In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage. |
Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 03 February 2007 at 6:00pm
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To a lefty in ODI: this and the previous post is as if I am bowling over the wicket. slips - for the straigher ones. Deep midwicket - for the turning long hop.
Long leg - for the aerial sweep shot.
Fine leg - for the delicate flick shot or fine sweep and the top edge.
Mid wicket - to save the single on the leg side as the ball is coming into the lefty.
In a 2 day match etc, I would swap deep midwicket to put in a short leg. If it's spinning, I will put in a leg slip instead of the fine leg. Also I would bring up the long off.
If I am bowling around the wicket, I would have a slipper, mid off, a silly mid off, covers - all for the leg break pitching way outside the off stump -, point, short leg, mid on, deep midwicket and a fine leg. ------------- In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage. |
Posted By: 70_degree_spin
Date Posted: 03 February 2007 at 10:15pm
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surprisingly enough, I arrely have a deep widwicket, I have a backward square leg so sometimes they try hit it too far and straight and it goes straight up in the air for mid on or someone.
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Posted By: Chin Music
Date Posted: 05 February 2007 at 10:19am
After the Monty debarkle this winter there's no way I'm ever listening to Fletcher's advice on spin-related matters! This is interesting though, seems like a fairly classic legspinner's field. ------------- Turnham Green CC Fast bowler & middle/lower-order bat |
Posted By: Vipera russelli
Date Posted: 06 February 2007 at 9:39am
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This is the field for a off spinner in middle overs of an 50-over match. Line is to hit middle and the drifter will just miss the off. No non-sense bowling miles outside off stump.
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Description: Ball is bowled on good length with flight. short square leg will stop the sweep. square leg is for the single played off the hips. deep fielder on the mid wicket will limit the big shots played off the flighted deliveries. There is challenge to go over mid off. deep cover is for the occasional full ball that hammered on the off side. Point and short third man to stop dabs and late cuts off good balls. ------------- Diuretics are used to look good in TV shows |
Posted By: Vipera russelli
Date Posted: 06 February 2007 at 9:45am
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You can always bring long on and deep cover up if you are going well. For a non-sweping batsman, short square leg can be broght to short-wide midwicket as a catching fielder. ------------- Diuretics are used to look good in TV shows |
Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 06 February 2007 at 3:25pm
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For off spinners, I think it best for a long off and not mid off. Flight up the juicy stuff with no long off and you will see what I'm talking about. ------------- In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage. |
Posted By: Vipera russelli
Date Posted: 06 February 2007 at 3:32pm
for trouble. If it piches 3 inches ouside off and turns in to hit leg then there is too much risk in that shot. Batsman have to come down the track diagonally (front and to the leg side) to hit that. Those shots are rare in middle overs. If the ball happens to be the drifter then it is either bowled or a stumpint too because the batsman is going against the turn and playing little inside to close the gap between bat and pad. ------------- Diuretics are used to look good in TV shows |
Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 06 February 2007 at 3:51pm
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Still, clever batsman will give themselves room and clear mid off with ease. ------------- In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage. |
Posted By: Chin Music
Date Posted: 06 February 2007 at 5:16pm
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On the other hand, one of the key issues of attacking spin is to encourage the batsman to play shots isn't it? If you're looking to contain then leave the player back, but if it's wickets you're after you want him to be tempted to try and clear him. Also, against two decent well-set batsmen, having mid-off is an almost guarnateed 5 or 6 an over, so it becomes neither attacking nor containing.
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Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 07 February 2007 at 12:04am
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Unfortunately in ODI's, you really can't do much in terms of containing as a spinner no matter how good you are. When the batsman comes down the track, if he isn't stumped then say "hasta la vista ball." ------------- In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage. |
Posted By: Smack
Date Posted: 07 February 2007 at 4:08am
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I've got to agree that in ODI's a spinners primary job is to dry up the boundaries and bowl as many dots as possible, picking up the odd wicket or so. Only exceptional spinners are used as a wicket taking option.
Off spinners tend not to turn the ball as much as leg spinners, often they rely on deception in flight, hence i can see why spin wizard would have long off back. If long off back makes the singles too easy then i would rather have cover up then a mid off up.
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Posted By: Chin Music
Date Posted: 07 February 2007 at 1:47pm
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But even with cover up, most good batsman can play straight very easily and pick up a run a ball to long off
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Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 07 February 2007 at 5:31pm
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If you're bowling darts, then mid off might by of use. If you're flighting them and aren't getting turn, put the long off; especially on a big outfield.
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Posted By: Pietersen Fan
Date Posted: 07 February 2007 at 5:36pm
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id have the both up come to think of it, if the batsmen wants to hit me through that area hes going to have to hit it in the air, and thats never a bad thing ------------- check out the ultimate spinners guide - spinny.co.nr |
Posted By: Smack
Date Posted: 08 February 2007 at 4:43pm
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^ if he keeps hitting you over the top for 4 then it is a bad thing lol
Chin Music if a batsmen good enough to take 6 singles an over to long off then he's more than likely good enough to hit over the top of mid off and take 3/4 boundaries an over. The spinners change of pace, flight and turn could produce dot balls which could result in 3/4 singles and over instead of 6.
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Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 08 February 2007 at 7:27pm
Stay away from the ODI arena mate.  ------------- In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage. |
Posted By: Chin Music
Date Posted: 09 February 2007 at 10:03am
I suppose you're right, but even so unless you're in the last 10 overs or so most batsmen would take 4 risk-free runs an over. And that's assuming you can guarantee you're not gonig to bowl a 2- or 4-ball as well ------------- Turnham Green CC Fast bowler & middle/lower-order bat |
Posted By: Vipera russelli
Date Posted: 10 February 2007 at 7:38am
I bowled with this field against good spin playing batsman, (but on turning tracks though), and used to drop the mid off in last two balls. Once in a while I have got a real bashing, but that's part-and-parcel with a wicket taking spinner. by the way SL has 60-40 distribution of RHBs and LHBs. So offies are very potent weapons in ODIs ------------- Diuretics are used to look good in TV shows |