Group D (West Indies, Pakistan, Ireland, Zimbabwe)
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Topic: Group D (West Indies, Pakistan, Ireland, Zimbabwe)
Posted By: -JP-
Subject: Group D (West Indies, Pakistan, Ireland, Zimbabwe)
Date Posted: 06 February 2007 at 9:50am
| Group D discussion in here. |
Replies:
Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 06 February 2007 at 3:06pm
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Sabina park! The tempo will be high here especially if the Raggae boys get going. Sabina Park has been known to be one of the bounciest tracks in the world and Asians side do struggle a bit on them, but the ODI's can be high scoring at times and pretty normal at times. West Indies plays very well in Jamaica so it might be interesting to see who would top the group. Jamaica has hosted a number of exciting matches and let's hope there are more in store. ------------- In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage. |
Posted By: MalikBrother
Date Posted: 06 February 2007 at 8:33pm
| No doubt Pakistan will win Group D in all of the matches -- Hope to see Ireland batting in WC so soon |
Posted By: Kerm
Date Posted: 06 February 2007 at 8:37pm
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Well i'd say there is quite alot of doubt, with the current Pakistan side and their stellar consistancy i'd say any games with them are up for grabs.
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Posted By: MalikBrother
Date Posted: 06 February 2007 at 8:39pm
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Dont Forget abt the Shoaib Akhtar, Umar Gul and Shabbir Ahmed who are coming back to WC -- Pakistan has brighter chance to win if not -- then it would be poor performance - |
Posted By: Kerm
Date Posted: 06 February 2007 at 8:44pm
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Three players comming back from injury, lacking match practice, one of them a drug cheat, one that disrupts the side at that. Not going to strengthen an already fractured side.
------------- Kerm |
Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 07 February 2007 at 12:07am
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Well, the way things look, if PAK wins the WC, there will be a lot of commotion going on. That's certain!! ------------- In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage. |
Posted By: Sledger
Date Posted: 07 February 2007 at 5:37am
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Surely the big two will progress , there can only be an upset if the Pakistanis implode. Is there still a carry over of points as in the last tournament? If there is , then the result of the two top contenders in each group will have some meaning. ------------- Mental disintegration works for me !! |
Posted By: -JP-
Date Posted: 07 February 2007 at 9:46am
| Yes Sledger, points are carried over. |
Posted By: zuhair_abbasi
Date Posted: 07 February 2007 at 12:17pm
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i guess these two teams wil make into the semis!! A lot will depend upon Pakistani players' availability. a full strength pakistan team would be enough of a challenge for al the opponents within and outside the group!!
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Posted By: ANIL KUMBLE
Date Posted: 07 February 2007 at 12:24pm
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I think it's abit too early to talk about the semi's but they should pass the group with ease. ------------- Check out my blog http://crictopia.blogspot.com/ pretty bad though... |
Posted By: Ahmed
Date Posted: 08 February 2007 at 9:17pm
| I don't know what to say if they can't pass the group stage. But it is pakistan! you never know what's up. i think every body would agree with that. |
Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 09 February 2007 at 2:06pm
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I don't care how unpredictable PAK is, they are gonna make it through the first round! ------------- In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage. |
Posted By: daisy77
Date Posted: 09 February 2007 at 7:59pm
Don't be too sure about that!  ------------- |
Posted By: daisy77
Date Posted: 09 February 2007 at 8:01pm
I think he meant winning the Group, not the world cup Spin. But it's not beyond them to win the world cup. ------------- |
Posted By: daisy77
Date Posted: 09 February 2007 at 8:03pm
Yes I agree....I will even go as far as saying that the windies are going to make it to the first round even though we know how inconsistant and unpredictable they are....I just hope they don't prove me wrong though!  ------------- |
Posted By: minimurali
Date Posted: 10 February 2007 at 2:41pm
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I actually see this as being the most open group - Pakistan and WI haven't been the most consistent of late and Ireland and Zimbabwe shouldn't be afraid to dig into the big guns to try and snatch a great result. Pakistan and WI should be very wary and complacency could be their downfalls (either/both of them). Will be the group to look out for, for me. ------------- County Sim on extended break until I've got less work and more free time. When I have a specific date, I'll post it in the thread. |
Posted By: Ahmed
Date Posted: 12 February 2007 at 6:11am
| This group's matches are going to be very interesting because of the nature of the two top dogs in this group. I don't like the idea of playing too many associates countries in this tournament. There should have been less teams and more matches between top 8 almost evenly matched teams, that would have been more interesting to watch than watching stronger teams beating the crap of weaker teams. |
Posted By: daisy77
Date Posted: 12 February 2007 at 7:39pm
I wouldn't exactly desribe West Indies as a big gun.....LOL ------------- |
Posted By: BackFoot Master
Date Posted: 12 February 2007 at 9:02pm
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for pakistan own benefit , they better leave out rana when they played west indies or it will be 10 overs for 91 runs
------------- August 16th 2009, my team Youth Combine was crowned CHAMPION once more |
Posted By: daisy77
Date Posted: 12 February 2007 at 10:44pm
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Maybe west indies will bring out the best in Zim...LOL ------------- |
Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 12 February 2007 at 10:49pm
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I was telling myself that I wasn't gonna waste time and watch the underdogs match but when I looked at it, when the 2 play against each other, it might be a cracker of a match. I am gonna see ireland for the first time. ------------- In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage. |
Posted By: daisy77
Date Posted: 12 February 2007 at 11:54pm
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LOL...yes that's the spirit Spin.......don't ever count on the windies to win a match not even against Zim! I am with you there! ------------- |
Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 12 February 2007 at 11:57pm
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Daisy actually has the windies as the underdogs.  ------------- In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage. |
Posted By: daisy77
Date Posted: 12 February 2007 at 11:59pm
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After their recent performance in the Pepsi cup can you blame me????? ------------- |
Posted By: zuhair_abbasi
Date Posted: 13 February 2007 at 7:15am
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I would now go for west indies to top the group. I previously thought, that Pakistan and west indies would both make into the semi finals with Pk toping the group. but now i am forced to change my view, as Pakistan is now WITHOUT SHOAIB AKHTAR!! We only have one good bowler that is Asif!! Depleted bowling attack consisting of Rana and Sami wont help Pakistan!! This might be on of the worst world cup for pakistan!! And i tll you what, its only because Shoaib Akhtar is out. had h ben there, i would have backed Pakistan to the semis....... ------------- http://thecricketinsight.blogspot.com/ |
Posted By: daisy77
Date Posted: 13 February 2007 at 7:58pm
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Well I still think that Pak has the edge over WI even without Akhtar. You said that the Pakis only have one good bowler now......Asif...
But the windies does not have any good, experienced, exceptional bowler. Our best bowler is probably Taylor and he is quite inexperienced. I admit that he is very talented but he lacks experience. Therefore, when you compare one to none you will come up with Pak having an edge over the windies. Their batting line up is pretty good though...both windies and Pak. I should think that the batting line up between these two teams are evenly balanced. ------------- |
Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 15 February 2007 at 2:58am
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West Indies have the more dangerous batters who could beat the ball and the better openers too. Pak has the likes of Inzy, Younis and Yousuf who would ensure a good total and not a rapid collapse like the windies guys do. ------------- In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage. |
Posted By: zuhair_abbasi
Date Posted: 15 February 2007 at 4:34am
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O yes the biggest difference is that of openers!!! Pakistan's number 3 and 4 are mout in the middle in the 4th or 5th over. While windies openers normally go on to pile 100 runs often!! Although, if Pakistan plays its full team with Akhtar and Gul, then the balance might shift to Pakistan!! But without KAhtar, i would go for WeseIndies ------------- http://thecricketinsight.blogspot.com/ |
Posted By: wiseguy
Date Posted: 15 February 2007 at 8:10am
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Their is not much to chose in this group, the only important matter would be who will top the group and take more points to the next round. Pakistan and west indies both will be shaky for the first match, west indies after loses in India are far from settled, and pakistan far far from even getting a completely fit side in. Windies will be backing on the home ground, pitch conditions and probably on gayle's influence early on in the match. Pakistan though will not be that Alien to the conditions, pitches more or less similar to the ones at home, feeling a bit confident after beating windies in the recent meetings comfortably, definately enjoying a mental edge on them. Ireland and Zimababwe probably will not have much of an effect in this group. I believe both will definately qualify but chances of finishing ahead are even at this moment! ------------- so far so good! |
Posted By: Mojo
Date Posted: 15 February 2007 at 9:36am
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Zimbabwe may put up a fight, but I don't think they'll beat Pak or WI. If they do win, it would more likely be against Pakistan though, cos they have recently developed a tendency to give up before the fight is over. ------------- Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here may not necessarily reflect the opinions of any other forum members. They are the express property of Mojo. |
Posted By: atifkamran
Date Posted: 15 February 2007 at 11:16am
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Only s Africz can beat pakistan but south africa can't win from australia.
Afridi is not playing 1st match. they have only hafeez , i think they should take sulman butt as well .
lets c
and shabir ahmed is also not availble .
Good luck pakistan.
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Posted By: Mojo
Date Posted: 15 February 2007 at 11:53am
If you say so... They've done it before. Recently too.
They'll definitely need it. ------------- Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here may not necessarily reflect the opinions of any other forum members. They are the express property of Mojo. |
Posted By: daisy77
Date Posted: 15 February 2007 at 11:05pm
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Well the windies squad was announced and Pollard was included! That was a good decision. Hopefully he does not get too nervy and he is able to play his normal game. ------------- |
Posted By: BackFoot Master
Date Posted: 16 February 2007 at 12:53am
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Great to see pollard in the squad but he is another version of Dwayne smith but a better batsman, always wan't to hit the ball out of the park and end up losing his wickets, like iin the match today against guyana he is on 26 and want to hit a wide and high length ball for six and ended up being caught at mid off after skying a ball. Anyway he is a great all-rounder and could be very important for windies in the worldcup ------------- August 16th 2009, my team Youth Combine was crowned CHAMPION once more |
Posted By: joelza1990
Date Posted: 16 February 2007 at 4:53am
| MMM Interesting group. I think West Indies and Pakistan should make it through, but Zimbabwe will be on there tails and Ireland will try as hard as they can. |
Posted By: daisy77
Date Posted: 16 February 2007 at 5:35pm
What/?/!!!!! Are you crazy??? Pollard is not at all another version of Dwayne Smith!!! Don't degrade him like that. Comparing any batsman or ever bowler/batsman to Dwayne Smith is a HUGE insult. NO ONE deserves to be compared to him! I have heard Pollard being compared to Lara though....even though I still think that no one could be like Lara. LOL. Anyway thing with Pollard is that maybe he hit kind of carelessly in that match that you mentioned but I don't think that he is generally a careless hitter like Dwayne Smith is. Careless hitters rarely make centuries because they usually take their own wickets before reaching that land mark but Pollard was able to get more than one century in this competition so far. Therefore, this has led me to believe that he is a good batsman. Entertaining and exciting yes but still we can't take anything away from him!------------- |
Posted By: GreenCap
Date Posted: 19 February 2007 at 6:39am
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I think Pakistan are 2much down at the moment. Not sure what gonna be their bowling attack. Team lacks spirit and when they enter the ground, it seems that they have a mind set that they are not going to win!!! So with this state of affairs, you might see even Zim beating them. Sorry to see one of the best sides in such a disarray. |
Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 19 February 2007 at 7:51pm
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Zim won't even beat my school team much more for PAK! ------------- In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage. |
Posted By: daisy77
Date Posted: 20 February 2007 at 2:45pm
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Don't be so negative when it come to Pak...As far as I see it this group is pretty even. In the recent series between Pak and the windies....Pak didn't have Asif or Shoaib and they still managed to beat us so don't think that they can't beat the windies again. As for the other teams in the group, I know that pak can DEFINATELY beat Zim and Ireland. Come on I think that even the windies could beat them so why not pak.... ------------- |
Posted By: Superbokkie
Date Posted: 20 February 2007 at 2:52pm
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Home advantage may help the West Indies but realistically, Pakistan will be battle hardened after their tour of SA. With Yousuf, Younis and Afridi in top form and Asif taking wickets every five minutes, I think they will be very hard to beat. I'm picking Pakistan to go all the way to the finals and they are my second favourites after SA, whereas West Indies will compete with England for the wooden spoon in the Super 8. Home teams have a dismal record at the World Cup: Look at England '75, '79, '83, '87, Australia '92, India '96, England '99 and South Africa '03! ------------- JH Kallis is the only player in history to have 8000 runs, 200 wickets and 100 catches in BOTH forms of the game. Only Sobers (tests) and Jayasuriya (one dayers) have achieved half that feat. |
Posted By: daisy77
Date Posted: 20 February 2007 at 6:56pm
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Let's don't go by stats.....maybe the windies will be the exception...at least I am hoping so. ------------- |
Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 20 February 2007 at 9:17pm
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The only think that might be in PAK way is the Bounce. I think the surfaces will play like the one I saw in St. Vincent that is going to be used for the Warm up matches cause I am sure that Andy Roberts was incharge of the warm up venues too and it had real bounce. Collymore bouncers were going over the batsmen head and all! ------------- In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage. |
Posted By: daisy77
Date Posted: 21 February 2007 at 1:05am
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Yeah I guess those Asians who are not used to the bouncy wickets are going to be under pressure..... ------------- |
Posted By: zuhair_abbasi
Date Posted: 21 February 2007 at 6:43am
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lets be realistic. This world cup might prove to be one of the closest contest ever. I would take a FIT pak team all the way to the semis alnogwith windies. Pak is far too bad at opening the batting, in comaprison to windies who are by far the best at the moment. But pak does have the bowling edge, if they play thier premir bowlers!! On windies pitches, afridi, malik n even hafeez would be more than useful. th elow bounce would also be useful for the out of form all rounder of pakistan!! ------------- http://thecricketinsight.blogspot.com/ |
Posted By: Mojo
Date Posted: 21 February 2007 at 7:24am
Afridi in top form??? Have I missed something here? As far as I can remember, Afridi's only had one good match with the bat in his last 20 or so matches.
He's certainly a dangerous player when it's his day, but let's be serious now. He's Pakistan's biggest disappointment 90% of the time. Younis however certainly has the consistency, and Yousuf is just top-class.
But Pakistan only has one decent bowler fit enough for the cup, and that is Asif. And even he's doubtful to play, because the Pak coach has stated that no player will go to the world cup without first having passed a dope-test. So good luck to him! I hope he passes it, cos he's really deserving of a place. ------------- Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here may not necessarily reflect the opinions of any other forum members. They are the express property of Mojo. |
Posted By: daisy77
Date Posted: 23 February 2007 at 7:52pm
Everyone has such high hopes for the windes. You all are setting yourself up for some serious disappointment.....I am not saying that they are not capable or that they are not going to win the world cup because I really want them to and I believe that they can ......but let's be logical......they are really inconsistant. Sometimes if the bowlers perform then the batsmen may not........they always manage to make you so nervous coming closer to the end of the ODI and to top things all off, in their last ODI series...I think against Pakistan...they lost it!!!!!!!! How then can you call them the best at the moment?????? At the moment the teams that are really good would be NZ, SA and maybe you could say England. The west indies is definately NOT the best at the moment and that is coming from a totally dedicated windies supporter.------------- |
Posted By: dhonifan
Date Posted: 24 February 2007 at 12:08am
| Can someone please tell me if the first WC match West Indies and Pakistan in Kingston Jamaica will be a day nighter or day match? |
Posted By: BackFoot Master
Date Posted: 24 February 2007 at 1:43am
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Day match mate, i think every one is full day match. ------------- August 16th 2009, my team Youth Combine was crowned CHAMPION once more |
Posted By: dhonifan
Date Posted: 24 February 2007 at 2:01am
Awww I like day nighters.
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Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 24 February 2007 at 3:12am
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I bet you're from the sub-continent. ------------- In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage. |
Posted By: BackFoot Master
Date Posted: 24 February 2007 at 2:30pm
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Anyone knows the points system for the worldcup. How much for a win and how much points 1st and 2nd team carry over to the super eight. ------------- August 16th 2009, my team Youth Combine was crowned CHAMPION once more |
Posted By: daisy77
Date Posted: 24 February 2007 at 9:27pm
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I don't know the answer to your question BFM but that's news to me that all the matches in the world cup are day matches and not day nighters. I guess in a way it's a good thing.... ------------- |
Posted By: BackFoot Master
Date Posted: 24 February 2007 at 10:10pm
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Day nighters would of been better for me because i will be in school for most of the overs in full day matches. ------------- August 16th 2009, my team Youth Combine was crowned CHAMPION once more |
Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 24 February 2007 at 11:10pm
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Day matches puts in a fairer contest and I like what they did. Well, it's mainly the fact that there aren't floodlights around in the stadiums in the caribbean. Only St. lucia has! ------------- In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage. |
Posted By: dhonifan
Date Posted: 24 February 2007 at 11:31pm
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I'm from Australia mate. |
Posted By: daisy77
Date Posted: 25 February 2007 at 6:31pm
yeah the day matches will be fairer.....I didn't know that St.Lucia was the only place where there is flood lights...!!! That's crazy at least Barbados and Jamaica should have them as well!!! ------------- |
Posted By: Ahmed
Date Posted: 26 February 2007 at 6:37am
| i like day nighters they are more fun to watch. they are more colorful. i hope the warm ups count as odi, so afridi can play against WI. It's going to be a very very tough tour for Pakistan. |
Posted By: zuhair_abbasi
Date Posted: 26 February 2007 at 7:32am
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i should have used the word BETTER instead of BEST..ma mistake!! ------------- http://thecricketinsight.blogspot.com/ |
Posted By: wiseguy
Date Posted: 26 February 2007 at 9:20am
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Not very good news from Pakistan Camp, Shoab and Asif almost 90% to miss the world cup, they would be excused on the basis of injury. But the speculations have been that both players have secretly been tested for banned drugs, and the results do not suggest them to go for the world cup risking a life ban. Pakistan Captain and team officials will beat about the bush till the 11th hour as to keep the hopes of pakistanis around the world high and probably bookies interested, and finally they will declare themselves unfit for the cup.
A lot of us guessed such a senerio on this forum, but things are shaping up eventually like that, expect a few statement from pakistan as to both bowlers declared unfit for a month or so , but still are they too sick to just appear for a dope test ?
Probably Sami and Azhar Mehmood likely replacement, and with them pakistan's chances will go down the drain! ------------- so far so good! |
Posted By: zuhair_abbasi
Date Posted: 26 February 2007 at 11:00am
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Bye bye pakistan!!!! we hav lost big time!!! maybe all the 6 matches!!! ------------- http://thecricketinsight.blogspot.com/ |
Posted By: wiseguy
Date Posted: 26 February 2007 at 11:45am
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Well I beieve pakistan will make it into super 8 but thats all they will do this time, my opinion we will have south Africa, India, Sri lanka, and West indies/Australia reaching to the final four, and probably an india /srilanka/south africa final. ------------- so far so good! |
Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 26 February 2007 at 4:52pm
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Pak will make it to the second round still. Without Asif, I can't see them making the finals at all. Their other bowlers can go for a lot! Their spinners might come up thrumps for them though! Give all of them the alloted number and they might make it. ------------- In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage. |
Posted By: daisy77
Date Posted: 26 February 2007 at 7:50pm
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Well if you all think that Pak are going to perform badly in the world cup and I don't think that west indies are going to do good either then this group is really a terrible one! I am sorry for the people in Jamaica who has paid their hard earned money to see these teams in this group because Zim is no good, I don't know much about Ireland so needless to comment on them, West Indies' squad is rubbish and you all think Pak is going to perform bad. Pak and West Indies may have a real contest going on between them to see which team is worse. ------------- |
Posted By: wiseguy
Date Posted: 27 February 2007 at 3:53am
Pakistan on the other hand is facing almost the same problems as ausies might, they do not have any combination in their bowling. To try and get it right in the world cup is less than likely, Danesh Kaneria has not played ODI for almost a year, sami , navid, azhar, and razzak have been poor in the last outing. Gull just struggling to get fit, afridi not available for two more matches, so where will they get a combination, even the die hard fans fail to find many positives! ------------- so far so good! |
Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 27 February 2007 at 8:35pm
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Razzaq absent now! PAK hopes are fading but the good news is that Gul makes it! I think he has played exceptionally for them of recent times! PAK still have the firepower middle order so they still have some hope; I mean, a great total alone might give them a psychological boost! ------------- In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage. |
Posted By: BackFoot Master
Date Posted: 27 February 2007 at 10:19pm
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I don't think Pakistan has to worry too much, they are a country with lots of talented nation. SO their is easy replacement for an injured player. ------------- August 16th 2009, my team Youth Combine was crowned CHAMPION once more |
Posted By: daisy77
Date Posted: 28 February 2007 at 12:32am
Windies have almost the team they would have wanted????? Yeah of course the selectors CHOSE the team that they wanted but it definately is NOT the best team that could have been chosen. That is NOT the best bowlers they have on that team. You are dead wrong about that........Ravi Rampaul should have been on that squad...he is in form right now as we saw in the recent regional matches. He and Taylor would have been a good fast bowling combination. How can their batting do the rest when they have people like Samuels, Dwayne Smith and the inexperienced Simmons???? Dwayne Smith should NOT be on that team. Samuels is not a consistant player. He has potential but he is NOT consistant. He performs off and on and whenever he actually makes a good score everyone gets sooo estatic about it. I think that Simmons was not a good choice for the world cup squad. I don't think he made much runs in the last regional match against Barbados so hopefully he gets some form for the world cup. ------------- |
Posted By: wiseguy
Date Posted: 28 February 2007 at 3:49am
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Daisy you must be knowing about west indian cricket more than me for sure, but you have not quoted the names of replacements for Samuels , smith and simmons, and I am damn sure there aren't many players left that have been dropped. One player Ravi rampal you mentioned, probably has never played international cricket, so how could they get him in just on domestic performance. Well i dont see major selection problems , unfortunately the pool is not that big to chose from and if a very talented player is drafted so soon , we might see an early ruined career. Yes natives know better but at times the level of competition in domestic is not such to clearly indicate the true potential of a player. Secondly over a period of year and a half I have followed windies team and I dont see any mightily talented palyer missing in the list. Personal likes and dislikes besides, I dont think they could have gone for any one better based on the performance for the last year or so! ------------- so far so good! |
Posted By: wiseguy
Date Posted: 28 February 2007 at 3:59am
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Loss of Razak will be a very big blow for pakistan, his experience and potential would have been a great asset for pakistan after sure absence of asif and Shoab. Reports say there is still a slim chance of Asif appearing but Shaob is definately a dead bet for sure. Razak was the player expected to be really effective on west indian pitches specially for his hitting in the last ten overs, so another big loss to already depleted pakistan side! ------------- so far so good! |
Posted By: zuhair_abbasi
Date Posted: 28 February 2007 at 7:24am
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Oh that’s the end of it!! Razzaq was a major hope for ------------- http://thecricketinsight.blogspot.com/ |
Posted By: Mojo
Date Posted: 28 February 2007 at 8:33am
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What happened to Razzaq? ------------- Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here may not necessarily reflect the opinions of any other forum members. They are the express property of Mojo. |
Posted By: virulent
Date Posted: 28 February 2007 at 8:59am
| Don't loose hope guys Pakistan still has a good chance of performing well in WC ... just pray that asif and shoaib accompany pakistan team ... we still have good hitters and good batsmen but the main concern is our bowling which can only be removed if asif and shoaib get fit and get -ve in dope test . |
Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 28 February 2007 at 12:15pm
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Yes, Razzaq is an absolute loss! He just suits the ODI version!!
I would agree with Daisy! There are players who could have been there for Dwayne Smith like Emrit! He played on those bowlers graveyard in India and because of that, they dusted him! It just shows what the WI selectors are - they want you to perform as soon as you have been picked. They went on and on with Dwayne Smith but not someone else like Emrit who is a much more potent bowler, a fine fieldsman and a good enough batter to help out at the end. The Selectors need a brain transplant! ------------- In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage. |
Posted By: GreenCap
Date Posted: 28 February 2007 at 12:46pm
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I think Danish Kaneria should be played in all matches now. If no Asif, Shoib, Razzaq, then Kaneria will be the only bowler capable of playing the strike bowlers role. Rana, Rao and Azhar are not reliable at all. Inzi will have to use his bowlers intelligently. I think more than half of the overs should be bowled by spinners. And Rana has taken wickets at an average of just 9.0 in the last ten overs (over the last year). So Pak can still do some good job even with the crippled bowling lineup if used intelligently!!! |
Posted By: atifkamran
Date Posted: 28 February 2007 at 1:24pm
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Which four team s wll come on top from each group ??
I think
A Australia
B India
C New Ze Land
D Pakistan
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Posted By: Mojo
Date Posted: 28 February 2007 at 1:28pm
What about Shoaib Malik?? He's a pretty decent bowler in the middle overs. ------------- Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here may not necessarily reflect the opinions of any other forum members. They are the express property of Mojo. |
Posted By: daisy77
Date Posted: 01 March 2007 at 12:10am
Ravi Rampaul has played international cricket for the west indies already . He has not played a lot of matches of course but he has played international cricket already. OK here's who I think should replaced those players that I said should not have been chosen. Instead of Dwayne Smith they should have chosen Reyad Emrit. He has played international cricket before. I remember him playing in one match in the recent pepsi cup in India. Richard Kelly could have been chosen instead of Samuels and sadly enough I have not come up with a replacement for Simmons but there must be some player that could have been a good replacement for him. ------------- |
Posted By: wiseguy
Date Posted: 01 March 2007 at 4:25am
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Come on Daisy, you know for sure, no one has seen rampaul, or Emrit, or kelly so far, they can be drafted in just for the sake of experience, but such a big occasion can do a lot of harm to a young talent. Samuels and smith are definately the weak link but they are surely not the part of playing 11 for most matches, and probably selected as part of 15 players.
Infact I have seen the similar thing in Pakistan oppeners too, Salman butt failed 5 times , everyone called for imran farhat, he was given a long run failed badly every one called for imran nazir, now after seeing dismal performance of nazir and hafeez people want salman butt back, without realizing that he has not done anything worthwhile in any domestic game for the last one year.
We all generally take bad performance of one player to be the criteria for selection of some one else thinking that he would atleast be better, but the real criteria should be the players's own performance against better sides in side matches to merit him a place. Generally a few good innings in domestic doesnt reflect anything specially in countries like india pakistan and west indies where hardly any of the national players feature in domestic games.
Infact same has happened for the bowlers in Pakistan, Imran khan has a lot of say in cricket matters he has been an ardent advocate of Mohammad Sami, but never had the guts to dispell his performance in south africa where he struggled poorly on bowler friendly tracks.
So generally I have seen a lot of biased opinions by ex cricketers just to keep their lobby happy. Another example, Ramiz raja has been against shoab Mallik palying as an openers in one dayers for pakistan, and once he saw so many oppeners tried and failed in the last year, now he is backing shoab Malik as a opener.
Pathetic experts I believe unfortunately influence minds of a lot of fans. ------------- so far so good! |
Posted By: zuhair_abbasi
Date Posted: 01 March 2007 at 5:32am
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BREAKING NEWS
ASIF AND AKHTAR OUT OF WORLD CUP ------------- http://thecricketinsight.blogspot.com/ |
Posted By: wiseguy
Date Posted: 01 March 2007 at 5:51am
Off course breaking but not heart breaking, that confirms one thing both are still positive for nandrone, and unfortunately due to lack of ability in ICC to get all contracted players tested by a central lab atleast quaterly, they will again wait till they get cleared.
Sorry friends, I dont support individual testing by boards, even if its very honest and professional, either have dope tests by a central body , or dont have any. On the other hand I would always mantain dope testing in cricket is totally unnecessary as performance enhancing drugs hardy add anything to the talent of any cricketer except may be get him fit quicker to be back in the game! ------------- so far so good! |
Posted By: wiseguy
Date Posted: 01 March 2007 at 5:53am
The reason offcourse will be injuries needing atleast rest for a few more weeks!    ------------- so far so good! |
Posted By: zuhair_abbasi
Date Posted: 01 March 2007 at 6:05am
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yes indeed..but its nothing new!!! it was on the cards....PCB doesnt want to miss them for long!! itd evidnt that they failed the private dope test!!! Now, when people say that individuald dont matter will see how much do they matter. Pakistan will face thier worst ever period in ODI cricket in the super 8 round ------------- http://thecricketinsight.blogspot.com/ |
Posted By: GreenCap
Date Posted: 01 March 2007 at 2:11pm
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What about Shoaib Malik?? He's a pretty decent bowler in the middle overs. Kaneria's selection has got nothing to do with Malik. He's a good bowler and a handy batsman!!!
Kaneria, Hafeez, Malik and Afridi can share the ball alongwith Gul, Naveed and Azhar Mahmood.
Malik and Hafeez can open the batting.
So this will form a team with six bowlers who have bowled regularly over the year at international level and the 7th one is Azhar.
3 solid batsmen, 5 all rounders.
Still a good side, I think!
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Posted By: atifkamran
Date Posted: 01 March 2007 at 3:45pm
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Is there any chance for shoaib and aisf to call back during the world cup
in second round or quarter,if they get fit, nd clear the dope test? and i m thinkg they wll call to razzak as well , because he need only two more week rest. hope so
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Posted By: atifkamran
Date Posted: 01 March 2007 at 3:45pm
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pak need a solid opner bat, should call sulman butt, pak has good middle order i mean best, untill opner s doesnt produce a good start, the whole pak match wll depend only on opener s , nothing else . if there wll be a good target every one wll ball on th line and his best.
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Posted By: -JP-
Date Posted: 01 March 2007 at 3:52pm
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No, once the squad is confirmed, that's it. There's no way back in for the injured players. |
Posted By: woodrose1983
Date Posted: 01 March 2007 at 4:20pm
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Asif,raz and Akthar.I dont think much would have happened even with these 3 players.Pakistan even with these three never had any great chance.
Asif is a good bowler in tests only , but in ODI's he has consistently failed be it against Indian side or against SA. Regarding Razzaq ,yes they miss his batting pyrotechniques , but he too dosent often perform consistently.
Akthar , I have hardly seen him to complete a big tournament without being injured and left out in the middle of the tournament.
No point in cribbing , they have a pretty decent batting line up , and also a good bowling line up[gul,hassan and co].All they have to do is play sensibly.ODI is anyone's game in crutial matches.
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Posted By: daisy77
Date Posted: 01 March 2007 at 7:58pm
Before I start to respond to your post I have one question for you. Couldn't you at least summarize your post??? Let's hope that you are right about Smith and Samuels not being part of the playing eleven for most of the matches. Even though most people would not know about these players does not mean that they don't deserve to be on the world cup squad. You said that a big event like the world cup could cause harm to these young players and maybe you are right...but just remember there are two young, inexperienced, completely new to the international stage players that were selected for the world cup already so all I am saying is that if those two players were selected why can't Emrit and Rampaul be selected as well. Afterall both Rampaul and Emrit has played at least one international match each. While Pollard has not played ANY international matches and yet he was selected for the world cup. Simmons played one international match I think. ------------- |
Posted By: wiseguy
Date Posted: 02 March 2007 at 5:47am
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Samuels and smith have been with the squad for almost a year now, so not as , new, and probably selectors still think they can produce something, but to test another set of debutanta wont help, and then everyone would be saying that not enough chace has been given to these particular guys. Sorry my post dragged on with some pakistani examples! ------------- so far so good! |
Posted By: dhonifan
Date Posted: 03 March 2007 at 10:32am
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Nazir and Hafeez to open or Nazir and Akmal. If Nazir and Akmal where should Hafeez bat? |
Posted By: daisy77
Date Posted: 03 March 2007 at 9:36pm
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Since when does Akmal open the batting??? I don't think that's such a good move.....Nazir and Hafeez should open the batting, not Akmal get him down to a wicket keeper's batting position( around number 6 or somewhere there). ------------- |
Posted By: Smack
Date Posted: 05 March 2007 at 12:53am
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^ agreed. Akmal has had many attempts at opening and so far generally he has been a flop. With the loss of Razzaq the likes of Akmal are better off down the order. Nazir and Hafeez should open. Im still ****ed off that Farhat was suddenly thrown out the side.
Imo the winner of this group will go on to the Semi's. The runner up in this group will crash out of the Super 8's. The world cup is all about mementum so the first game of Windies v Pak is crucial.
Any info on the pitch/conditions? I know Sabina Park is historically bouncy but the ground must have surely been renovated for this world cup and perhaps the pitch was re-laid?? In more recent times pitches in the windies have been lower and slower, is Sabina Park the exception to this? I dont suppose spinners go to well in Jamaica?!?
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Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 05 March 2007 at 3:56pm
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Jamaica of recent times still had that good bounce. Spinners does do well in Jamaica though. Quite strange though, in test matches that is. ------------- In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage. |
Posted By: daisy77
Date Posted: 10 March 2007 at 12:58am
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Well the windies played in Jamaica today and they really put in some performance for us!!!! Just remember that's the same pitch that they have to play their opening match against Pakistan on!!!! They didn't handle it very well today (our batsmen) so hopefully for their sakes and the sakes of all their supporters they really don't give us another batting collapse. I don't think their supporters will take it very well. I won't!!!! The match today was just a warm up so the lose did not hurt that bad but they can't afford to do that in ANY of their matches during the world cup. ------------- |
Posted By: GreenCap
Date Posted: 10 March 2007 at 4:24am
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Don't worry Daisy. The team they will be facing is probably ahead of them in terms of inconsistency.
They have won against SA, but you can't be sure they will repeat the same performance of March 13. You may see them getting bowled out for 105 and losing by 10 wickets any time!!!
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Posted By: GreenCap
Date Posted: 10 March 2007 at 4:27am
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But if the pitch shows that different behaviour in different innings, then this is going to be trouble for Pak coz toss will decide half of the result of the game.
Hopefullly the pitch would be fixed before the first WC match, otherwise it would give unfair advantage to the winner of the toss.
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Posted By: wiseguy
Date Posted: 10 March 2007 at 7:34am
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West indies , bowled out for 85 against indians, hardly what a doctor could have ordered for them. I am not sure how the pitch was initially, but even if it was poor like the one in PAK /SA match atleast some one from the late order should have done something. Probably the worst showing by any of the better teams, and specially the hosts, that have claimed to be the contenders this time. By the way havent seen any comments from Viv or sobers so far on the performance, real heart breaker for fans! ------------- so far so good! |
Posted By: daisy77
Date Posted: 10 March 2007 at 12:42pm
Let's hope so ------------- |
Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 10 March 2007 at 6:23pm
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Don't worry daisy, the pitch they played on yesterday wasn't the one that they are gonna use on tuesday!
Don't get to mad either, it would do them the world of good that it happened now than in the WC. Remember, SRI dismissed us for a similar total in the Champions trophy and they still went to the finals! ------------- In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage. |