Non-Test playing countries in wc
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Topic: Non-Test playing countries in wc
Posted By: ars-cric
Subject: Non-Test playing countries in wc
Date Posted: 21 February 2007 at 4:22pm
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Michael holding has criticized the inclusion of non test playing nations in world cup saying that it will make the wc long and these teams will be hammered and nothing else. i agree with his comments bringing these team straight away in the wc in front of quality sides is not fair for these non test playing nations.on the other hand it might set some new world records.it is probably better to give them a little bit experience of international cricket then take to wc.
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Posted By: Freddie
Date Posted: 21 February 2007 at 4:56pm
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I also agree that the World Cup drags on to long but I would actually keep it the same. It certainly goes on too long and it should only be around a month rather than the six weeks. I would personally do this for the World Cup:
Keep the initial group stage the same, and the top 2 from each grou qualify as normal. Then instead of a super eight split the 8 remaining teams into two groups of 4 for a second group stage, with the qualifiers from each group in different groups to each other. Then instead of the teams playing 6 matches they play three and in half the time of the super sixes, and then follow it with the semi-finals and final, and you could keep the second group stage to a week to ten days.
That way instead of getting 51 games you get 39 games. If the group stage was 2 weeks long, the second group stage 10 days long and the semi-finals and final about a week long, you cut the tournament time by two weeks, and the whole thing is over with in a month and the players can join up with their domestic sides for the start of the county season (if they play in English cricket). ------------- On extended leave... |
Posted By: daisy77
Date Posted: 21 February 2007 at 6:50pm
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I disagree with what Holding said I think that non test playing countries should play in the world cup......I it good for those teams to play against the other high ranking teams....they will get the opportunity to learn new things and improve their cricket. ------------- |
Posted By: Mojo
Date Posted: 22 February 2007 at 7:58am
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I'm glad that the minnow teams get a chance to compete. Most of the time, they usually find themselves competing against each other, and thus they tend to compete only as well as their opposition. It doesn't really build the team up all that much.
In the world cup however, they have a real chance of seeing what is to be expected of them if they plan on being among the best. They get to take on the big guns for a change, and are forced to step up their game by a few notches.
It's good for the big teams too, because there's no bigger wake-up call than a freak loss to a minnow team, or even a closely contested match. ------------- Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here may not necessarily reflect the opinions of any other forum members. They are the express property of Mojo. |
Posted By: fishcake14
Date Posted: 22 February 2007 at 1:21pm
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That's tripe. If a lesser country causes an upset, the publicity, sponshorship and money available to that team will increase dramatically. Look at what happened with England in 2005. England won, and cricket was, for a short time, the most popular sport in Britain.
If Scotland manage to beat a somewhat deflated Aussie side, it can only be good for the country.
On the other hand, if a non-test team do get well and truly thumped, they're going to learn so much from getting beaten. You learn more losing by 10 wickets than winning by 10 wickets.
There's also the fact that more games bring in more people, thus more money; both for the West Indies and the teams involved. These non-test countries will get money and will be able to advance their cricket come the next big event. ------------- |
Posted By: RightHandBat
Date Posted: 23 February 2007 at 6:00am
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It wouldn't be called a World Cup if non-test playing nation's weren't included.
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Posted By: GreenCap
Date Posted: 23 February 2007 at 10:25am
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Would like to see kenya making it to semis again!!! |
Posted By: daisy77
Date Posted: 23 February 2007 at 7:20pm
Yeah I totally agree with you there!  ------------- |
Posted By: daisy77
Date Posted: 23 February 2007 at 7:21pm
Great point...I have never thought about it this way before but what you are saying does make complete sense! ------------- |
Posted By: daisy77
Date Posted: 23 February 2007 at 7:22pm
Again???  Have they ever made it to the semis before???? when???------------- |
Posted By: abubakar52
Date Posted: 23 February 2007 at 9:04pm
| Previous World Cup Daisy!! they lost to India in the semis. |
Posted By: daisy77
Date Posted: 24 February 2007 at 12:32am
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Wow news to me..thanks for telling me...that was really great for them...they must have felt on top to the world to make it to the semis ahead of all those other high rank teams. ------------- |
Posted By: Pietersen Fan
Date Posted: 16 March 2007 at 12:29pm
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i think they whould be put in, some of them can cause upsets at times, and also its more cricket to watch for everyone ------------- check out the ultimate spinners guide - spinny.co.nr |
Posted By: Chin Music
Date Posted: 16 March 2007 at 5:33pm
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Anyway, there's already a tournament for just test-playing nations (the ICC trophy), the World Cup is supposed to be inclusive ------------- Turnham Green CC Fast bowler & middle/lower-order bat |
Posted By: wiseguy
Date Posted: 17 March 2007 at 7:33am
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I believe someone should send a video of Ireland Zimbabwe match to Holding and probably that will convince him to change his mind. I beleive non test playin teams have so far done a very good job! ------------- so far so good! |
Posted By: ramzi
Date Posted: 18 March 2007 at 10:47am
As well as the other 2 matches
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Posted By: -JP-
Date Posted: 18 March 2007 at 11:35am
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Holding is a complete lame duck in commentary now, from what I saw and heard yesterday, he is trying so hard to make excuses for the associates playing well. It's never them, it's the pitch, or the opposition. Rather sad. |
Posted By: gambler
Date Posted: 18 March 2007 at 11:42am
Ireland (with their performances so far) have made Holding look like an idiot. Instead of perhaps admitting that he might've been wrong, he is just digging an even bigger hole for himself.
I guess Holding might at least get some sympathy from Ponting and a couple of others who held similar views.
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Posted By: daisy77
Date Posted: 20 March 2007 at 11:58pm
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Holding has to eat his words now. After the performances of Ireland and Bang so far in this world cup they have definately proved that they deserved to be playing at the world cup. Ireland has really been impressive so far. Maybe they are the "surprise package" this world cup. ------------- |
Posted By: Chin Music
Date Posted: 21 March 2007 at 10:05am
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I might stick a tenner on Ireland to reach the semis. Unlikely to ever see that tenner again, but still, the odds would probably make it worth it
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Posted By: Kerm
Date Posted: 21 March 2007 at 10:12am
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I'd origonally thought that Holding was just trying to rile up the associates to make them play as hard as they could. As it is he seems to genuinely dislike them which seems odd for someone so respected and just generally nice. ------------- Kerm |
Posted By: Migara
Date Posted: 24 March 2007 at 4:08am
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Holding had got many things wrong. His on field stump kicking, comments about Murali's action and this is the latest one. He is as silly as it can be. ------------- _____________________________ Who claims me to be Wal bada? |
Posted By: daisy77
Date Posted: 24 March 2007 at 9:33pm
I think you are being a tiny bit optimistic...... ------------- |