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Vettori vs Hogg

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Topic: Vettori vs Hogg

Posted By: Migara
Subject: Vettori vs Hogg
Date Posted: 24 March 2007 at 4:26am

We have seen a lot of great left arm spinners in current game. Vettori, Rafique and Jayasuriya are old foxes who have performed admirably. Enamul Haq and Monty Panesar are representing new generation. But every one have forgotten a crafty chinaman bpwler called Hogg. Due to the fact Warne and McGill are there, Hogg never go the opportunities he should have. If he was in SAF he would have played 75 test matches now to take 250+ wickets.

Here are the records of Vettori and Hogg

Hogg
Batting and fielding averages     Mat     Inns     NO     Runs     HS     Ave     BF     SR     100     50     4s     6s     Ct     St
Tests     4     5     1     38     17*     9.50     136     27.94     0     0     2     0     0     0
ODIs     97     56     23     700     71*     21.21     862     81.20     0     2     39     5     29     0
Twenty20 Int.     2     1     0     41     41     41.00     25     164.00     0     0     2     3     0     0
First-class     92     136     29     3679     158     34.38               4     24               53     0
List A     202     138     50     2427     94*     27.57               0     6               73     0
Twenty20     12     9     1     191     54     23.87     160     119.37     0     1               5     0

Bowling averages     Mat     Balls     Runs     Wkts     BBI     BBM     Ave     Econ     SR     4     5     10
Tests     4     774     452     9     2/40     3/108     50.22     3.50     86.00     0     0     0
ODIs     97     4389     3316     117     5/32     5/32     28.34     4.53     37.51     1     2     0
Twenty20 Int.     2     30     62     0     -     -     -     12.40     -     0     0     0
First-class     92     11918     6453     160     6/44          40.33     3.24     74.48          7     0
List A     202     7848     6100     211     5/23     5/23     28.90     4.66     37.19     2     3     0
Twenty20     12     251     317     21     4/9     4/9     15.09     7.57     11.95     2     0     0

Vettori
Batting and fielding averages     Mat     Inns     NO     Runs     HS     Ave     BF     SR     100     50     4s     6s     Ct     St
Tests     73     105     16     2250     137*     25.28     4105     54.81     2     13     294     6     36     0
ODIs     194     123     39     1270     83     15.11     1607     79.02     0     3     95     6     53     0
First-class     119     163     23     3649     137*     26.06               4     20               57     0
List A     260     173     47     2514     138     19.95               2     9               84     0
Twenty20     1     1     0     5     5     5.00     7     71.42     0     0               0     0

Bowling averages     Mat     Balls     Runs     Wkts     BBI     BBM     Ave     Econ     SR     4     5     10
Tests     73     17585     7851     229     7/87     12/149     34.28     2.67     76.79     11     13     3
ODIs     194     9085     6397     192     5/30     5/30     33.31     4.22     47.31     5     1     0
First-class     119     27346     12288     381     7/87          32.25     2.69     71.77          23     3
List A     260     12443     8528     269     5/30     5/30     31.70     4.11     46.25     5     1     0
Twenty20     1     18     13     0     -     -     -     4.33     -     0     0     0

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Replies:

Posted By: blaster17
Date Posted: 28 April 2007 at 10:37pm

I Like Both But Hogg Is A Much Btter Bowler

Posted By: samhache
Date Posted: 11 May 2007 at 2:51am

dont agree, he turns it more but is lethal thru flight

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Posted By: NZ_Fast
Date Posted: 14 May 2007 at 8:08am

I'd take Vettori over Hogg anyday. Hogg may spin the ball more and have one variation in the googly. But Vettori has greater accuracy, more variations, a great arm ball.

Hogg is a chinaman bowler though? and Vettori Orthodox. So to me its like comparing apples and oranges

Posted By: maxx
Date Posted: 14 May 2007 at 8:37am

I always thought Hoog is a much better bowler from the first time I sow him in 2002 (in that som time som TV commentators quistioned his selection) still he is a bit underated bowler, I really think he is a better bowler than Vitori.

Posted By: samhache
Date Posted: 21 May 2007 at 8:42am

yeah true NZ fast, i agree. they are different, but i also think vettori is better. better batsman aswell, if that counts?

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Posted By: bondy
Date Posted: 21 May 2007 at 8:44am

I'd take Hogg based on current form.

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Good one Graham!

Posted By: abcdgpa
Date Posted: 21 May 2007 at 8:50am

i would take vettori actually.

Posted By: MadMax
Date Posted: 24 May 2007 at 6:14am

Originally posted by samhache

yeah true NZ fast, i agree. they are different, but i also think vettori is better. better batsman aswell, if that counts?

Not sure about that though. Comparable may be the better word.

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Posted By: samhache
Date Posted: 25 May 2007 at 2:22am

For batting? Vettori opens for his domestic side sometimes, and is very handy at the end of an innings especially to stabilise when a typical NZ top order collapses haha.

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Posted By: MadMax
Date Posted: 25 May 2007 at 7:50am

You can consider that Hogg has a best of 71 n ODIs and 158 in Sheffield shield match with 6 odd centuries. He can hold that bat!

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Posted By: samhache
Date Posted: 25 May 2007 at 8:47am

ok madmax how about we come to the conclusion that they are of similar standing with the bat. Agreed? or am i being naive?

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Posted By: MadMax
Date Posted: 25 May 2007 at 10:09am

Originally posted by MadMax

Comparable may be the better word.

I think I have answered your call

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Posted By: afridi_fire
Date Posted: 01 July 2007 at 5:34pm

both are good but hogg for me

Posted By: cricketluva
Date Posted: 14 July 2007 at 2:56pm

Hogg for me.

Hogg is a match-winning bowler in the ODI arena (which is the only place you can compare them), I do not think Vettori can win matches more competently.

Hogg's variation, and excellent control for a wrist spinner is the pivot point. His flight and turn supersedes Vettori.

Hogg is also an extremely enthusiastic fieldsman, very quick, safe hands and has hit the stumps quite a lot.

Hogg has seldom been afforded the opportunity to bad, but in tense situations, like the VB series final in 2002 when Australia collapsed badly he went out and got 71 to save the game. He has shown in the strong Pura Cup arena that he can get runs and was originally a batsman.

Vettori, being in a weaker side has had a great deal of pressure on his bowling and like many similar sides, the lower order is important and he is a part of that.

If Hogg was New Zealander I am sure that he would be the no.1 spinner. If not, he would be no.2, but only to the super talented Daniel Vettori.

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See you later Gilly! Thanks for the memories!

Posted By: MP12
Date Posted: 15 July 2007 at 1:34am

Hogg decives batsman because he is harder to pick from the hand. His variation always keeps the batsman guessing. Cricketluva makes a good point about Vettori being under pressure. Both players can bat moderatly well but I would go for Vettori by an inch. Overall though Hogg but it's a shame that he is only known to be an ODI bowler with his limited chances at test level.

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Posted By: bondy
Date Posted: 15 July 2007 at 6:48am

Given that Hogg has never has the opportunity to prove himself at test match level it's hard to choose him over Vettori purely as an ODI player; Vettori is my choice.

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Good one Graham!

Posted By: cricketluva
Date Posted: 15 July 2007 at 7:12am

Originally posted by bondy

Given that Hogg has never has the opportunity to prove himself at test match level it's hard to choose him over Vettori purely as an ODI player; Vettori is my choice.

You are spot on Bondy.

There are a lot of "What If's" with players like Hogg, and for instant some of the extremely prolific South African players who did not get to play many tests/ODIs but were awesome in the First Class Arena.

Hogg hasn't been what I would consider awesome, he is a moderate a player among the greats. But the enthusiasm he brings and his uniqueness as a chinaman bowler brings something great to the game and I always love watching him play.

Vettori had he played in a more successful side probably would have been able to relax a tad more and maybe perform better, however he has two massive hauls vs. Australia in tests which is a mean feat and he has always been a great ODI bowler (one of the best spinners in ODI history I believe).

I think Vettori brings to the game a good attitude. He is hard working and an honest cricketer. He is truly a bowler, but because he is such a natually talented player and a hard worker he has been able to carve out a rather good competency with the bat, the fact that he has test tons and got that 90+ score in a test when he was still in his teens shows this. I do believe Hogg is more naturally talented with the bat, but Vettori is more likely to have success in the batting arena.

Vettori will always be remembered as one of the great Kiwi players with Crowe, Cairns and Hadlee (A truly short list).

I believe Vettori can be a good skipper, but he already has so much responsibility on him

I also respect the fact that Daniel chose not to bowl the doosra. Citing that he believes it to be too difficult to bowl legitimately. In fact, he doesn't even need it.

Hogg's variation and hard to pick fast action makes him more of a "strike" bowler, but overall Vettori is proven.

I would still think that Hogg, given the chance as a young man would have been as prolific, if not more so.

Jon

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See you later Gilly! Thanks for the memories!

Posted By: samhache
Date Posted: 02 August 2007 at 9:33pm

Originally posted by cricketluva

Vettori will always be remembered as one of the great Kiwi players with Crowe, Cairns and Hadlee (A truly short list).

You Aussies are so damn modest aren't ya? Well, at least we have rugby..

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Posted By: Sledger
Date Posted: 03 August 2007 at 7:41am

He forgot Glenn Turner , an opener of the highest class.

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Posted By: zuhair_abbasi
Date Posted: 03 August 2007 at 8:07am

I guess Vettori is stilll to be transformed into a great...he is good no doubt

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Posted By: samhache
Date Posted: 07 August 2007 at 9:33am

hes getting older..but he did start at a very young age.

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