Trigger Movements.
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Topic: Trigger Movements.
Posted By: Jamie
Subject: Trigger Movements.
Date Posted: 25 March 2007 at 7:17pm
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Anybody have one?
I cannot stay still at the crease while the bowler is running in, I have to make a step or two.
I bat on leg and just shuffle across and forwards onto around middle.
Always on the front foot, my strength.
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Posted By: NewBowler
Date Posted: 26 March 2007 at 12:14am
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My trigger movement is a slight step out with the front foot, which opens up the field for different shots. |
Posted By: Clobber
Date Posted: 26 March 2007 at 9:22am
| My back leg goes slightly back and across, then I start transferring my weight onto the front foot which gets me into line and ready to get onto the front foot |
Posted By: Chin Music
Date Posted: 26 March 2007 at 1:42pm
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I wait for the ball before moving, but then I'm quite flat-footed. Mentally, my instinct is to go forward. What does everyone think on the merits and disadvantages of having a trigger movement? I'm thinking of experimenting with one to improve my footwork. ------------- Turnham Green CC Fast bowler & middle/lower-order bat |
Posted By: Clobber
Date Posted: 26 March 2007 at 3:00pm
| to my mind the benefit is that light on my feet (as it were) as opposed to having my feet rooted to the spot as the ball is on its way |
Posted By: Kerm
Date Posted: 26 March 2007 at 3:30pm
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Any really batting coach would probably consider what i do as the ball
is about to be bowled as a sin, I dance around on my toes a bit i've
always done it to keep my feet moving so i dont get caught on the spot
but technecially its probably not a good idea. Seeing as I only play
sunday cricket I doubt its a technecial flaw thats going to be exposed
massivly however.
------------- Kerm |
Posted By: Shane Warnabee
Date Posted: 26 March 2007 at 5:07pm
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i have the exactly opposite problem evrytime the bowler bowls [fast bowler] i get scared and move back.
Also no matter how much i practice playing with my top hand in front of my mirror i always end up playing with my bottom hand during matches. Please advise. ------------- What goes around comes around! |
Posted By: scuudz
Date Posted: 26 March 2007 at 5:18pm
| My trigger movement is just a slight movement of my feet while they are in one spot i.e I do not take a slight step forward or back but try to keep my feet moving. It gives me the feeling that I gain that split second in going forward or back. Its probably just a psychological thing but hey it works for me. |
Posted By: Chin Music
Date Posted: 27 March 2007 at 1:09pm
Tell that to Shivranine Chanderpaul... I don't know exactly what you mean by "dancing around", but if you simply mean shifting your weight slightly from foot to foot, I think that's perfectly sound technique. i can't say I've seen any first-class players do it, but plenty of good club cricketers do, and technique does differ slightly between the two. My father, for example, has always done it, he learnt his cricket at a top private school and has played to a high level of club cricket ------------- Turnham Green CC Fast bowler & middle/lower-order bat |
Posted By: -JP-
Date Posted: 27 March 2007 at 1:16pm
| I'm tempted to start jumping about in the crease. Might be fun. |
Posted By: Jamie
Date Posted: 27 March 2007 at 5:00pm
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It's worth a try, honestly.
The Pro out our club played England Under 19 against Chanderpaul, when he was 19 he played completely straight, perfect MCC manual stance etc, but he just changed it and it's worked. Whatever is natural works best. I don't think you should deliberatly put a trigger movement in, it's just if it feels natural to you.
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Posted By: Shane Warnabee
Date Posted: 27 March 2007 at 6:02pm
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can anyone please answer my question which was posted earlier in this topic ------------- What goes around comes around! |
Posted By: Clobber
Date Posted: 28 March 2007 at 10:18am
| try loosening your grip with the bottom hand |
Posted By: Sledger
Date Posted: 28 March 2007 at 10:42am
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To us ole timers a Trigger movement was always cleaned up by Roy Rogers!
------------- Mental disintegration works for me !! |
Posted By: bondy
Date Posted: 28 March 2007 at 11:00am
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I've experimented with different triggers in the nets. I used to shuffle across my stumps from leg to middle, but felt myself playing to on-sidish and getting out LBW.
I now put my weight on my front-foot and try and get foward as much as possible, while keeping upright. This allows me to rock back into the back foot if needed and is especially useful when playing against spin. ------------- Good one Graham! |
Posted By: Shane Warnabee
Date Posted: 28 March 2007 at 11:18am
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i keep trying to loose my bottom hand grip but it
suddenly tightens towards the end. ------------- What goes around comes around! |
Posted By: bondy
Date Posted: 28 March 2007 at 11:22am
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Must be your aggressive nature. ------------- Good one Graham! |
Posted By: Rambo_123UK
Date Posted: 28 March 2007 at 4:35pm
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I have the same problem. Someone suggested to me that in the nets I should try playing a few one handed drives, just using the top hand to get the muscles to learn the movement. If you keep your right hand off the bat it can't tighten up and take over. When you've got used to doing a few like that you can put your bottom hand back, but all it should be doing is adding some control. ------------- I swing both ways - but only when I'm bowling! |
Posted By: Chin Music
Date Posted: 28 March 2007 at 4:55pm
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I was always to bottom-handed, a couple of years ago I changed my grip and it really helped, what I do is I rest the handle accross the knuckles/fingers of the bottom hand then grip with the thumb rather than holding it in the palm. Try it, it might help
------------- Turnham Green CC Fast bowler & middle/lower-order bat |
Posted By: yorker101
Date Posted: 29 March 2007 at 10:47am
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first i would like to say, this is a brilliant thread... great idea!!
and i would'nt be to worried about first movements... look at kevin peitersen. a brilliant batsmen and one of my favourite players (but i don't go for the poms) he fidgets around like he's doing the ''hokey pokey''. from a more selfish point of view i tend to move my front foot ever so slightly forward. i think thats because i am a big fan on driving an cutting off the front foot though...  ------------- i didn't have anything to put here, so i put this... |
Posted By: bondy
Date Posted: 29 March 2007 at 11:33am
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Which of you prefer to play off the back foot? Or more conventionally the front foot? ------------- Good one Graham! |
Posted By: Chin Music
Date Posted: 29 March 2007 at 1:19pm
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I like to play in the V
------------- Turnham Green CC Fast bowler & middle/lower-order bat |
Posted By: Shane Warnabee
Date Posted: 29 March 2007 at 1:21pm
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k, thanks rambo and chin music i'll try what you've written ------------- What goes around comes around! |
Posted By: Jamie
Date Posted: 29 March 2007 at 4:38pm
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I'm Definatly a front foot player. I'm not shabby on the back foot, but I'm very good on the front foot, not trying to sound big headed.
It's easily the biggest strength in my game, I love driving the ball.
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Posted By: Rambo_123UK
Date Posted: 30 March 2007 at 6:26pm
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I'm not much of a batsman, I'm a bowler. When I'm batting I'm predominantly back foot though. Against the quicker bowlers I'll defend until there's something outside off stump (if I last that long!) to have a go at cutting. I don't mind pulling the odd long-hop if I get a chance, too, but I love taking on the spinners. My favourite shot is the slog-sweep but I'll look to smack every ball into the next county when there's twirly stuff coming at me. Shot selection depends on where the ball pitches as I'm just as happy rocking back and smashing it, but I do love the slog-sweep. It's entirely instinctive, I never think about it. On our home pitch if you get hold of it at all it's going over the wall into the sheep even if you mistime it slightly. ------------- I swing both ways - but only when I'm bowling! |
Posted By: Jamie
Date Posted: 30 March 2007 at 8:03pm
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Well, having just started using my trigger movement slightly more obvious. And taking a new guard on leg stump then moving onto Middle.
I had a great night at Training Tuesday. It's the first time I have trained with the adults, 1st and 2nds mostly, as this season I'll be playing second team. I was driving really well especially and playing off the back foot nicely as well, made an impression which aint bad.
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Posted By: scuudz
Date Posted: 30 March 2007 at 8:12pm
| I look to get on the front foot as much as possible. Love driving the ball. Dont have any problems playing off the back foot either though. Just more comfortable on the front foot. |
Posted By: tommyboy
Date Posted: 06 April 2007 at 8:29pm
i dnt have a trigger movement because last year i had one n i thought it was harder to keep balance playin ma shots 
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Posted By: Rambo_123UK
Date Posted: 18 April 2007 at 5:58pm
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Re front foot shots - I had a net the other day with a couple of the lads and they pointed out my initial stance was wrong. That meant that whatever initial move I made, however hard I tried to get my front foot to the pitch to play a straight drive, I was always going to be off balance. Get one of the batsmen in the team who knows what he's doing to take a look at you. It could be the same thing. By the end of the session I was smashing the ball straight back over the bowler's head, something I've never been able to do before. All it was was a case of shifting the position of my feet a couple of inches each way as I stood at the crease. ------------- I swing both ways - but only when I'm bowling! |
Posted By: blaster17
Date Posted: 29 April 2007 at 2:55pm
| My Trigger Movement Is When The Bowler Is Just Bowl I Slightly Tap My Left Foot Couple Off Times... It Is Impossable 4 me 2 Stay Still |
Posted By: DuckMan
Date Posted: 06 May 2007 at 12:34pm
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Nice one Rambo! Want to just clarify, do you point your feet square or slightly angled and which direction if so? I maybe doing the same thing Also - My mate has been practicing in the nets with me. Never been brilliant at keeping my wicket and always slogged. This season for the first time I'm seriously looking at my technique and trigger movement as i have problems with my feet. Never tried a trigger movement before but it seems to be working for me. I can now hit balls normally I would have missed. Just about to buy a new fusion bat with an oval handle, this may help me to encourage ground shots....we will see! |
Posted By: slogger72N/O
Date Posted: 06 May 2007 at 3:48pm
| I start with my feet really close together in what is probably best described as a crucnched up mess. When the bowler passes the umpire my feet spread outand my bat lifts up. This sometimes surprises particularly stupid bowlers. I stay predominately on the back foot, however i will come forward to half volleys. |
Posted By: Wizzer
Date Posted: 07 May 2007 at 10:45am
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The best method to prevent the bottom hand coming through too much I believe is to have your bat before the bowler bowls in a cradle like position. I mean so you have the bat coming straight through, but there is nothing wrong with some bottom hand...whatever is comfortable And trigger movements are useful in my opinion but don't move too much on to the front foot...I have my back foot coming across to middle and then am sort of raising my front foot on to the tip-toe as the ball is bowled. |
Posted By: Isura
Date Posted: 10 May 2007 at 5:39am
| I just stand still. Maybe because there aren't many very quick bowlers at club level.. I'm also a beginner, could explain why. |
Posted By: Isura
Date Posted: 10 May 2007 at 5:44am
Back foot. Nothing more enjoyable than punching the ball straight back over the bowler of the back foot. |
Posted By: tonks007
Date Posted: 10 May 2007 at 7:24am
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As the bowler comes in i tend to move my front foot forward about two inches (force of habit). Makes me feel that little more confident knowing i can get to the pitch of the ball and smack it or rock back and pull or hook. My biggest weakness is cutting the ball so i definately favour the front foot.
For years i played with my grip toward the splice but in the last couple of seasons i moved my grip up the top of the handle (like gilchrist) and i was amazed how much better i was striking the ball particularly pulling. I also one of the blokes who moves in and out of the crease a fair bit to stuff up the bowlers length. Some of you should try this if you havent already. It works (sometimes)  ------------- even the sun shines on a dogs ass some days |
Posted By: Shane Warnabee
Date Posted: 10 May 2007 at 4:49pm
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i have a problem of playing too much with my bottom hand no matter how much i reduce my grip from the bottom
i still end up playing with it. Also when i do sometimes play with the top hand i hardly am able to move the bat much. ------------- What goes around comes around! |
Posted By: Brandon
Date Posted: 12 May 2007 at 5:04am
| I begin with a slighty more open stance and then press forward with my front foot. It just puts me in the right position to spank the ball to all corners of the ground. |
Posted By: DuckMan
Date Posted: 12 May 2007 at 7:54pm
| I have the same problem with the bottom hand. Just about to try the gilly method. If you haven't heard about it, you put a squash ball in your bottom hand glove in the middle of your palm. This forces you to use your finger and thumb only. Also you might want to try an oval handle? |
Posted By: Rambo_123UK
Date Posted: 12 May 2007 at 10:23pm
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My feet now are slightly angled. Before, I had my front foot too far across toward off, and it was in the way, and my balance was wrong when I tried to drive, I couldn't get my weight forward properly because the front foot wasn't travelling in the right direction, so neither was my weight, if you follow me. ------------- I swing both ways - but only when I'm bowling! |
Posted By: Smack
Date Posted: 13 May 2007 at 2:04am
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English club cricket has more medium pacers than anything. For them i dont really feel the need for a trigger movement. Same goes for all those fast bowlers who aren't really fast. Where i do use a trigger movement is against bowlers with sheer pace. Mainly in 1st XI cricket although you get the odd one in 2nd XI cricket too. For them i tend to crouch and spring into the shot, it came naturally to me one day in the nets and i've used it ever since. Its pretty much what Brian Lara does.
I also use a trigger movement against spinners on slow low tracks. I take a half step forward and go from there. Unlike my trigger to the quicks, this is something i've introduced to my game on purpose to counter pitches with low bounce. I believe it was Inzamam who started it and then Duncan Fletcher introduced it to the whole England team, so thats where i got it from.
I'd say batting is something best kept simple, so i only use a trigger when i have to and not just for the sake of it.
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Posted By: W.G.
Date Posted: 13 May 2007 at 8:38am
------------- When you win the toss - bat. If you are in doubt, think about it - then bat. If you have very big doubts, consult a colleague - then bat. |
Posted By: sammythola7
Date Posted: 14 May 2007 at 4:34pm
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Wel I have a prediliver movement whe my back-foot moves from outside leg to leg side and my front foot on middle-leg and straight, and then I let the ball come to me, I dont get to the pitch of the ball that ofte, I rely on driving on the up and cut shot for my offside shots or slashes backward of point, or if it is very full, then I'll maybe use the "V". Ohterwise I have all shots on the leg side, I stuggle allitlebit with the on drive, but do not hold back when it is shot. In my cricketing year, I only went out on the pull twice. ------------- Your Fear in a snake is your faith in the snake's ability to bite you. |
Posted By: Smack
Date Posted: 15 May 2007 at 4:05am
I'd call it playing early, playing late would cause the ball to go down due to the angle of the bat face.
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Posted By: W.G.
Date Posted: 15 May 2007 at 5:59am
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To be in full control of the shot at all times you need to play the shot with a straight bat, this means you need to compensate for your weight being forward by keeping your head over the ball - which in turn means you will be playing the shot with your bottom hand only, hence the risk of a dolly to cover or mid-on. ------------- When you win the toss - bat. If you are in doubt, think about it - then bat. If you have very big doubts, consult a colleague - then bat. |
Posted By: Shane Warnabee
Date Posted: 15 May 2007 at 11:14am
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i have a problem with keeping balance when playing on the front foot i don't have much control over my body when i'm not able to balance what do u reckon i do to
get better conrol and balance when playing on the front foot? ------------- What goes around comes around! |
Posted By: W.G.
Date Posted: 15 May 2007 at 11:59am
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Get yourself a couple of house bricks and position them where you would normally place your feet for a front foot drive. Stand on the bricks. Get someone to lob you a few balls and practice driving without moving your feet - you will feel off-balance to start but will quickly adjust. When you next play the shot in normal stance (i.e., lose the bricks) you will be amazed at the difference to your balance. You can apply this technique to a range of shots to gradually improve your balance. PS Cheers to my much loved bruv for this advice. ------------- When you win the toss - bat. If you are in doubt, think about it - then bat. If you have very big doubts, consult a colleague - then bat. |
Posted By: Smack
Date Posted: 15 May 2007 at 5:33pm
You really do not know what you are talking about. Your entire post is full of misunderstandings.
1) You've twisted the definition of playing the ball late. Playing the ball early is playing the shot slightly before the ball has reached you. Playing late is playing the shot slightly after the ball has reached you. According to you playing on the front foot = playing early and playing on the back foot = playing late. I'm sitting here laughing at your misunderstanding of playing the ball late/early. It has nothing to do with being on the front foot or back foot i.e. you can still play the ball early whilst on the back foot and play the ball late when on the front foot.
2) You claim that it is "nigh impossible" to drive off the back foot with any power. Therefore you claim the only way to drive off the back foot is to force the ball resulting in the risk of giving a catch. Ever heard of timing? If you wanted to hit the ball in the air off the back foot then yes you would have to force the ball, but guess what...you'd still be playing early not late.
3) If his bottom hand is coming into the shot and he is risking a catch to cover or mid on then he is playing early not late. If he was playing late he would be risking chopping the ball onto his stumps.
4) How is his weight forward when he's on the back foot? Thats the whole point of going on the back foot, your weight is back not forward.
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Posted By: W.G.
Date Posted: 15 May 2007 at 6:23pm
------------- When you win the toss - bat. If you are in doubt, think about it - then bat. If you have very big doubts, consult a colleague - then bat. |
Posted By: Smack
Date Posted: 15 May 2007 at 11:39pm
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^ its funny that despite being proved wrong, you stubbornly stick to your guns and try to save a sinking ship. Your understanding of
playing the ball late is way off the mark, i hope you practice better than you preach.
Its a fact if you hit the ball straight over the bowlers head driving off the back foot you would need to meet the ball at an earlier point than if you were to hit the ball along the ground. If you played the ball late, the ball would most likely go behind square not over the bowlers head.
 ^ look at the angle of his bat how is the ball going to go in the air to mid on/mid off from there?
LOOOL am i talking to brick wall here or something? Were talking about back foot drives here not front foot drives. Let me say it again when playing a BACK foot drive, your weight is back NOT forward.
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Posted By: W.G.
Date Posted: 15 May 2007 at 11:53pm
In closing ....... read your earlier post, then look at your graphic - then ask yourself "where is the batsman's weight"? I rest. ------------- When you win the toss - bat. If you are in doubt, think about it - then bat. If you have very big doubts, consult a colleague - then bat. |
Posted By: Smack
Date Posted: 16 May 2007 at 12:18am
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LOL i think you need to correct a few more of your mis-types. Kids please ignore anyone who thinks your weight should be forward when playing the back foot drive. You weight should be on your back foot.Good luck with your views WG, you definately need it. I guess it takes all sorts to make the world.
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Posted By: Kerm
Date Posted: 16 May 2007 at 12:27am
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To play a back foot drive you go back and then lean your weight forward into it, W.G is right here, the only two shots I can think of that are played with your weight literally on the back foot is the pull and the hook. Saying that back foot drives shouldnt be aerial and if they are that means you have played the ball too early. ------------- Kerm |
Posted By: W.G.
Date Posted: 16 May 2007 at 5:48am
------------- When you win the toss - bat. If you are in doubt, think about it - then bat. If you have very big doubts, consult a colleague - then bat. |
Posted By: W.G.
Date Posted: 16 May 2007 at 5:54am
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Taken from the same BBC http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cricket/skills/4174184.stm - web-site that Smack lifted his graphic from: "To prevent the ball spooning to cover when you make contact, ensure your head is over the ball. This means your weight will be forward, which will keep the ball on the ground when you play the shot." So Smack - doubly wrong ........ because if you are playing this your way, with your weight back, you're presenting that dolly. PS If you would care to highlight all my other spelling mistakes or typos I would be delighted to change them. ------------- When you win the toss - bat. If you are in doubt, think about it - then bat. If you have very big doubts, consult a colleague - then bat. |
Posted By: Smack
Date Posted: 17 May 2007 at 12:51am
Yep your right. Your weight is on the back foot for a back foot defence but then as you play the back foot drive your weight transfers forward into the shot. I got the two mixed up. You can play the back foot drive with your weight back but its not the techically correct method of doing it.
Getting back to the main point which started this whole thing, your right again. As i was trying to tell W.G. if you play the ball in the air off the back foot your playing too early.
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Posted By: W.G.
Date Posted: 17 May 2007 at 6:24am
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As you've already proven yourself ignorant of technique I have no further interest in this discussion.
------------- When you win the toss - bat. If you are in doubt, think about it - then bat. If you have very big doubts, consult a colleague - then bat. |
Posted By: Smack
Date Posted: 17 May 2007 at 3:58pm
| ^ in other words your not big enough to conceed defeat when your wrong therefore you'd rather stubbornly pretend your right and leave it there. Congratulations on pretending your the fountain of all cricket knowledge but you didn't even know the meaning of playing the ball early or late. I think that says it all about you and your knowledge. |
Posted By: W.G.
Date Posted: 17 May 2007 at 4:02pm
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There's only one of us still going on about it - and it's not me sunshine.
------------- When you win the toss - bat. If you are in doubt, think about it - then bat. If you have very big doubts, consult a colleague - then bat. |
Posted By: Punch
Date Posted: 06 October 2007 at 9:52pm
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This one's for Shane Warnabee's bottom hand problem. I just joined the forum, so you may excuse the delayed tip. You have mentioned not one, but two problems with your grip: 1. You use your bottom hand a lot. 2. Even when you try, you still end up using the bottom hand. The best possible grip to reduce a bottom hand, is the pincer grip. Meaning, only your thumb, forefinger grip the handle. The other fingers, just support the first two. To put it in even more simple terms - make sure that your bottom palm, never touches the handle. This takes a lot of getting used to, especially, if you are used to using your bottom hand. But persist with practice, it will eventually come good (if you are that committed to reducing your bottom hand that is). 2. If you have tried that, and still end up using your bottom hand, then you might want to see, where exactly your top hand rests. Most bottom handed players, grip their handle, as close to the shoulder blade as possible. If your hands are still in the same place as before, and you try the pincer or any other grip to reduce your bottom hand, then it may not work. For your top hand to be more effective, then it needs to be higher, towards the end of the handle. If you hold the bat there with your upper hand, and use the pincer grip for your bottom hand, there is no way, your bottom hand will come in play. As I said before, it takes lots of practice to get used to. Hope that helps. |
Posted By: Shane Warnabee
Date Posted: 19 October 2007 at 7:24am
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thanks for your help punch! I'm glad to say that over the last month i've been playing more ground shots and using my top hand more. Just need people's opinion on my new
trigger movement. I'm thinking about putting my front foot out as the batsman is about to bowl but the weight of my body is still transferred on the back foot. That way if the bowler bowls it on full or good length i can transfer my weight on the front foot which is already out and if the ball is bowled short my weight is initially on the back foot as mentioned above so i can safely defend or pull or hook if needed to. What do u guys think? ------------- What goes around comes around! |
Posted By: RightHandBat
Date Posted: 19 October 2007 at 7:45am
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You limit your shot selection if you do that. What if the ball is bowled full and wide, you're going to reach for the ball, which increases an opportunity for edges and catches. ------------- "His classical hits down the ground, met with a checked drive, were Tendulkar at his best. It was though he had a new lease of life." - Sachin Tendulkar's return to cricket with a 91-Ball century. |
Posted By: MP12
Date Posted: 19 October 2007 at 1:08pm
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I've used that technique before, Shane Warnabee. You can always combat full and wide outside off stump balls by leaving them no harm done. But RightHandBat is right it does limit what shots you can play in which some found it to be a weakness in my game. If it seems right and feels comfortable enough that you don't even have to adjust to it them I say "go for it".
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Posted By: Punch
Date Posted: 19 October 2007 at 1:34pm
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You are welcome Shane. I'm glad my tips helped you. Keep practicing that grip, and you'll be a rare breed of sub continental batsmen, who hits the ball along the ground and not in the air :) Now, on to your question. What you are trying to ask about is the trigger movement, but what you have asked actually, is your stance. Trigger Movement - Is basically, a very small tiny movement , that gets your body to move. The trigger movement, basically signals your feet to move instinctively, with all the calculations of the length of the ball and line, factored in, within that time. Most batsmen, have a tiny step forward as their trigger movement, some have a tiny step back, and all this just before the bowler releases the ball. Because, once the ball is released, the batsman will have to go either forward, or back, and/or across, within a fraction of a second. So, a trigger movement, is only a precursor to your main movement. Next time pay attention to the close up replays of a batsman hitting a shot - you will be able to see the trigger movement. If I'm not wrong, Tendulkar's is a small step forward, and Ponting's is back. So, do what comes naturally to you, as there is no wrong trigger movement. On to your stance: It wont be effective. Your stance assumes that the ball being bowled to you, follows a very narrow line, near your bat. What if the ball is bowled outside the off? With your legs splayed the way they are, you wont be able to move your front foot across the line. Or you wont be able to move them in time. At least, not with the quicker bowlers. Medium pacers, maybe. I can suggest the stance that I use - a crouched wide stance. Spread your feet about a foot and a half apart, and bend your knees. I've found that, I was able to go on the front foot very easily with this stance (I was predominantly a back foot player). The only problem I had with this stance is, going on the back foot to transfer my weight. Maybe I'm reacting late. Try it if you want, and let us know how it goes. But as MP12 said, if it feels natural to you and you are able to make the adjustments, then go for it. It should be natural to you, and most importantly, it should be something you are comfortable with. |
Posted By: Shane Warnabee
Date Posted: 19 October 2007 at 6:09pm
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thanks a lot for your advice punch and all the rest who have responded to my question. I have not yet tried this
stance yet only in front of the mirror so i don't really know whether it will be comfortable or anything. The only reason i wanted this stance was because it seemed to help me move my feet more but i guess its quite ineffective as you guys have mentioned the reason above. Punch, about the stance you mention- do you bend your knees a lot or only a bit? Could everyone please tell me their trigger movements as i want to try them all out and see which fits me the best. TY for your help ------------- What goes around comes around! |
Posted By: Punch
Date Posted: 20 October 2007 at 6:17am
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I bend my knees enough, to keep me comfortable. Bending the knees serves two purposes - it prevents my knees from getting locked, as a locked knee takes a little longer to move (at least for me), and secondly, by bending my knees, I'm getting my eye level lower, and thereby able to judge the line of the ball much better. Using this stance, this season, I have got out only twice, edging the ball to the slips. About the trigger movement, watch this video. Towards the end (around 4:32), watch Vaughn's back foot, moving just a little bit to the back, just before the bowler releases the ball, even though, he ends up going on the front foot to drive it. That's a perfect example of a trigger movement. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jTe_3TFtDE&NR=1 You dont NEED to have a trigger movement. Some batsmen feel it works better for them, that's all. Use what comes naturally to you. But whatever that movement is, it should be very small, so that it doesnt affect your head from remaining still, when the ball is released, a very important thing to do. ------------- No talent, no skill, all heart! |
Posted By: Shane Warnabee
Date Posted: 21 October 2007 at 12:50pm
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thanks for the tips mate by the way are u aussie? ------------- What goes around comes around! |
Posted By: Punch
Date Posted: 21 October 2007 at 5:55pm
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You are welcome. Why? Do, only Aussies know their cricket well? :) ------------- No talent, no skill, all heart! |
Posted By: MP12
Date Posted: 22 October 2007 at 6:49am
| We all know the answer to that! |
Posted By: RightHandBat
Date Posted: 22 October 2007 at 7:11am
I say you should react to what you see, physical training in the nets against quality fast bowlers will enable you to do this, because you are training your subconscious to react, it also helps not to think about what you'll do when you bat, but let it react by itself. It's just about getting the basics right, eg stance, high elbow etc Basically, first of all, you want to go to the mirror and just watch yourself playing tophand shots, don't grip the bat too tightly with your top hand and make sure your weight during your stance is distributed evenly on both feet, not too close, not too far apart either. Make sure you keep a still head throughout every shot you play and keep your eyes level, also make sure you take a good stride into the ball. Don't bend your knees too much, if they're bent too much, you will be prone to knee injuries. ------------- "His classical hits down the ground, met with a checked drive, were Tendulkar at his best. It was though he had a new lease of life." - Sachin Tendulkar's return to cricket with a 91-Ball century. |
Posted By: STNOOR
Date Posted: 22 October 2007 at 11:47am
i don't have a trigger movement or i don't know 
------------- The Future Shoaib Akhter with the difference being that i will be a left hander and reverse swinging like Waqar Younis even in the early overs...hahaa :P. |
Posted By: Punch
Date Posted: 23 October 2007 at 3:03pm
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I agree with RightHandBat. Batting, mostly, is about instinct. Practice enough, that your shots come out by instinct. You wont have enough time, while batting, to make decisions about what shot you want to play, or to decide if you want to go forward or back. If you practice enough, they will come to you instinctively. And when you have done enough of that, just go out there, back yourself, and play your game. Confidence, helps a lot, in scoring runs.
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Posted By: Shane Warnabee
Date Posted: 23 October 2007 at 5:25pm
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k thanks for the advice guys. ------------- What goes around comes around! |
Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 23 October 2007 at 11:27pm
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I have only batted with one trigger movement and that is backfoot across, front foot a bit forward and then if it's pitched up, I continue going forward or if it's short, I either rock back or step back!
I have tried batting with my knees crouched like how punch says and I really pick the length better that way but the thing is, I don't react that fast to the really short pitch stuff and you don't want to be in that situation against Lee and them fellas! I'm a bit lazy too so that could be a factor.
Anyhow, when I stand tall, I still get on the front foot nicely, still seeing the ball and everything and I have more reaction time to the faster balls. One thing I've noticed with me is that with the explosive shots, I tend to have to high a backlift and sometimes I lose the ball because my head goes up in the air so what I did the last time I went practice (a week ago) was to distribute more weight on the front foot for my stance so as they say, your head is over the ball. I got back on the backfoot on time, found that I had a good balance still and that my backlift wasn't too high and I still got in the aggressive shots.
I've already made up my mind though that I am not going to crouch my knees for the stance. I prefer not to pick the length that good for quicker reaction time in playing aggressive shots off the backfoot. If you're a batsman who can't play short stuff, you won't be that good in my book! ------------- In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage. |
Posted By: wolves f c1
Date Posted: 24 October 2007 at 11:53am
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My trigger movement varies, to a fast bowler I back away
to a spinner i start outside leg stump and crohop forwards and accross ------------- 800 posts WOOT!!!!!!! diŁkinson is a cheating, lieing scumbag! |
Posted By: MP12
Date Posted: 24 October 2007 at 2:10pm
| I don't really have a trigger movement for spinners. I've never really had trouble playing them so I'm comfortable in any batting position. For faster bowlers usually my right foot will either step horizonatally backwards and hit through the offside or step backwards and hit off the back foot. |
Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 24 October 2007 at 7:47pm
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For spinners, I move my back foot across and the front foot forward in a diagonal.
I expose all my stumps to the faster bowlers in my stance but the trigger movement carries my front foot across covering up middle. I'm not prone to lbws that way! For the spinners, I take guard more outside leg stump because I carry my front foot more across and that's for the off spinners really. For the leggies, I will carry it across less! ------------- In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage. |
Posted By: Monty_Mo
Date Posted: 03 February 2008 at 6:42pm
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Hi Guys Regarding trigger movements. I have over the last 2 net sessions started to develop one for the fast/medium bowlers. I'm 5"5 so am already quite short compared to the bowlers. I stand with a open stance, i take middle and leg. But i will stand out side leg. What i do is a little shuffle to the mark (middle and leg) moving back and across. while remaining on my toes. I use the crouch and then transfer forward or back. I have found this to be a very good techniques for myself, not out the coaching manual mind you. the problem with this is that i can never hit a ball drifting wide of my pads, that flick. i find that because of the stance trigger movement im always either front or back, ideal for balls on middle and off, short or full . anything flying down leg side is impossible for me to hit. The best way to hit these balls iv been told, is to move your front foot swivel and flick the ball. something totally impossible for me. Mo |
Posted By: inswinger
Date Posted: 04 February 2008 at 8:16pm
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mmm.
i take my gaurd on leg and step into middle. anything on the off side i find a pleasure to hit. especially on the front foot. but playing legside anywhere is alot harder because i have to move back across to fetch it. but im b atting alot better than i was a year ago so im not complaining ------------- RightFastMedium RightHandBat |