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Topic: weak core muscles
Posted By: armbowler
Subject: weak core muscles
Date Posted: 19 June 2007 at 5:20pm
hi
 
I have very weak core muscles. Has anyone got any suggestions on how to improve core strength. I constantly injure my back due to this and have very tight legs, hips etc which affects my game.
 
Cheers
 
Mk



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Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 19 June 2007 at 7:02pm
Jogging, eating meat should help do a trick or two and my favourite, push ups!!

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Posted By: The Tyke
Date Posted: 19 June 2007 at 7:22pm
Put a bit of weight into a back pack and jog with it on. This should strengthen the muscles in your back (as well as your shoulders). Press ups are also good.
Crunches (a kind of sit ups with legs raised) will sort out your stomach muscles.


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Posted By: harrowdrive
Date Posted: 19 June 2007 at 9:37pm
I'll tell you something, the core is the single most misunderstood part of the body in cricket.

My first question would be this: How do you know weak core muscles are to blame for your back injury?

Second, if you have tight muscles in your hips, core training is not going to help too much. You need to stretch and work on your mobility.

Anyway, you can't go far wrong with training your core but it should be part of a proper balanced training plan that trains all your muscles and energy systems you need for playing better cricket.

Don't fall for gimmicks, learn what your core does and replicate it in your training.



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Posted By: harrowdrive
Date Posted: 19 June 2007 at 9:38pm
Oh yeah and jogging is rubbish for the core and cricket ;)

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Posted By: Sledger
Date Posted: 20 June 2007 at 7:05am
Originally posted by harrowdrive

Oh yeah and jogging is rubbish .....


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Posted By: Rambo_123UK
Date Posted: 20 June 2007 at 7:23am
Deadlifts will fix your lower back muscles. I didn't deadlift for fear of injuring my bad back again for a long time, but that made things worse (muscle imbalance). The muscles cramped like hell the first few times after deadlifting but now I have virtually no back problems anymore.

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Posted By: Chin Music
Date Posted: 20 June 2007 at 11:29am
A qualified physio can tell you about this better than any internet stranger

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Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 20 June 2007 at 4:55pm
Originally posted by harrowdrive

Oh yeah and jogging is rubbish for the core and cricket ;)
 
Yeah, then your agility must be real low then!! Jogging is important in every sport to get fit!


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Posted By: Rambo_123UK
Date Posted: 20 June 2007 at 5:17pm

You won't catch me jogging.



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Posted By: The CCC
Date Posted: 20 June 2007 at 5:36pm
jogging is pretty useless for cricket as cricket is one sport you don't have to run about all the time.
short and medium distance sprints as well as the shuttle run thingy suits cricket much better (cricket is a stop-start sport).

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Posted By: Rambo_123UK
Date Posted: 20 June 2007 at 9:15pm
Exactly.

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Posted By: The Tyke
Date Posted: 20 June 2007 at 9:32pm
Jogging increases the Volume capacity of the lungs and improves cardiac output which lowers your resting heart rate.
This in itself is a major advantage in cricket as it allows people to do more before they become tired. Bowlers can bowl longer spells and batsmen can stay at the crease longer before they get tired.
 
So it is very useful for cricket.


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Posted By: NZ_Fast
Date Posted: 21 June 2007 at 7:54am
As far as i can see its important to build a decent aerobic base (jogging), expecially as a bowler to repay your oxygen debt quicker due to larger left ventricle and all that ho hah. But the likes of shuttles (interval training?) is just as important for bowlers to specifically train as you were bowling, assuming your a pace bowler that is. Nothing beats running in and bowling at the nets though.

More to the question, in the first post, id talk to a qualified cricket coach, he/she should know better than anyone on here. But i solved my slight back issues with good old fashioned crunches.


Posted By: Rambo_123UK
Date Posted: 21 June 2007 at 9:36am
But I have now lowered my resting heart rate to 50bpm - and I don't jog, jut do resistance (weights) training.
 
Jogging burns a lot of calories - no argument there - but it won't help you get stronger or build muscle. Too much jogging will actually have the opposite effect.


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Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 21 June 2007 at 3:44pm
Hummmm, a lot you seen to take jogging as a nothing exercise. Ask Andrew Symonds why he is pretty fit then. I saw Symonds make about 15 laps around the international stadium back here and at a great pace too. If it wasn't important to cricket, why was he doing it then. Jogging builds the heart, lungs, thighs, calf, helps you lose weight. Come on, be realistic fellas, it's very important!

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Posted By: Rambo_123UK
Date Posted: 21 June 2007 at 5:34pm

Thighs? Squat, lunges, leg presses, extensions... I never train my calves, but I do a lot of walking.

Jogging is for masochists who want to ruin their knees.

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Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 21 June 2007 at 6:58pm
Hummmmmm, then I guess all long distance runners knees are no good!

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Posted By: The Tyke
Date Posted: 21 June 2007 at 7:24pm
Originally posted by Rambo_123UK

Jogging is for masochists who want to ruin their knees.
 
That's Malinga and Nixon with knee problems then. Also add Symonds to that list and there's probably plenty more cricketers that you can add.
Your statement is on unfounded evidence.


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Posted By: Rambo_123UK
Date Posted: 21 June 2007 at 7:50pm
Being a keeper, I'd be surprised if Nixon didn't have dodgy knees anyway... But it is a fact that jogging is very tough on the knees, especially when you run on hard surfaces.

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Posted By: The Tyke
Date Posted: 21 June 2007 at 8:01pm
Well that's true but it's just like saying that lifting weights is tough on the biceps/triceps.
Everything in moderation is good, but overdoing it can be dangerous.


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Posted By: NZ_Fast
Date Posted: 22 June 2007 at 6:28am
Its not really that difficult as far as i can see. Their is a place for jogging in training for cricket, but that alone is by no means sufficient in itself, and should not be the major compenent of training you do.


Posted By: Rambo_123UK
Date Posted: 22 June 2007 at 8:22am
The knee is a joint. Cartiledge damage to the knees, and damage to the ligaments, is entirely different to deliberately overloading the muscles. The idea is to damage the muscle so that it repairs itself stronger. Damage to joints and ligaments is not desirable. Permanent injury may well result, and cumulative damage to the joint can cause chronic problems later.
 
There are other forms of cardio excercise without the same risks, so why jog, unless it is particularly relevant to your sport, which it is not?


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Posted By: harrowdrive
Date Posted: 22 June 2007 at 4:55pm
Jogging makes you good at jogging. If you want to jog go for it, but the crossover onto the cricket pitch is minimal.

One of the principles of fitness is specific adaption to demand. The demands of cricket are different to the demands of jogging.

interval sprints improve cardiovascular measures and are far more reflective of what happens on the pitch.


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Posted By: harrowdrive
Date Posted: 22 June 2007 at 4:56pm
Oh and jogging is not good for the core whichever way you look at it.

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Posted By: harrowdrive
Date Posted: 22 June 2007 at 5:03pm
Originally posted by NZ_Fast

Its not really that difficult as far as i can see. Their is a place for jogging in training for cricket, but that alone is by no means sufficient in itself, and should not be the major compenent of training you do.


There is a place for cardiovascular conditioning yes. But conditioning for cricket is more about the work capacity (vv02Max) than the total Oxygen uptake.

Remember research has shown that slow steady distance running detracts from speed and explosiveness.

I'd rather  be able to run faster and hit the ball harder.


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Posted By: harrowdrive
Date Posted: 22 June 2007 at 5:11pm
Originally posted by spin wizard

Originally posted by harrowdrive

Oh yeah and jogging is rubbish for the core and cricket ;)
 
Yeah, then your agility must be real low then!! Jogging is important in every sport to get fit!


Agility has nothing to do with jogging. Agility is how fast you can change direction at speed. Jogging has neither.

I don't know of any research into steady state cardio activity that shows a transfer to sport performance.


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Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 22 June 2007 at 5:11pm
And then not be able to carry on to make the ton.

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Posted By: Pietersen Fan
Date Posted: 22 June 2007 at 5:38pm
anyone got any ideas how to stay more mentally fit?
 
because sometimes i play games and i feel mentally tired rather than phisically tired


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Posted By: The Tyke
Date Posted: 22 June 2007 at 7:18pm

Chess and Meditation. Chess because it's very challenging mentally so it will increase your mental strength.

Meditation is good because it's like sleep, it reinvigorates the mind.



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Posted By: The CCC
Date Posted: 26 June 2007 at 11:31am
just going back to the jogging stuff, sorry I thought we were talking about club level cricket. International and national level players generaly jog a lot because of the length of the game and also in most cases there is much more ground to cover when fielding. You also aim to get the overs in quickly so you'll be jogging from one end of the field to the other between overs.
In limited overs matches also you are expected to keep moving for the whole length of the game.
But all of this is NOT necessary on the village green. You are more likely to improve your performance by doing shuttle runs, press-ups, sit-ups, and curls as well as the extra time spent in nets instead of jogging (don't forget that jogging consumes quite some time to have any effect on your body, about 40minutes if i remember rightly).

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Posted By: harrowdrive
Date Posted: 26 June 2007 at 5:52pm
You won't find many international cricketers jogging.

Perhaps as a part of a warm up but certainly not hitting the roads.

Jogging involes maintaining your heart rate at a steady but elevated state for long periods (15 minutes plus). In a cricket match your heart rate spikes up and down depending on what you are doing - even a Twenty20 game has periods where you are barely moving interspersed by jogs, runs and all out sprints.

Therefore to train in a cricket specific way at whatever level you are at you must train at the same work to rest ratio as a typical match. That means interval and fartlek training, not jogging.


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Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 26 June 2007 at 9:09pm
When Ntini was in the Caribbean in 2005, he jogged everyday from the hotel to the ground and from the ground to the hotel; well I guess except the Antigua test match when he got carnaged by Gayle! 
 
I have tried doing muscle training and it hasn't increased my fitness like jogging does. It makes you stronger yes but I still got weary quick. I do jog now and I don't get weary as easy as before!


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Posted By: The Tyke
Date Posted: 26 June 2007 at 9:16pm
List of known Joggers (these are just a few off the top of my head):
 
Ntini
Malinga
Nixon
Mcgrath
Symonds
Vaughan
 
These, like I said, are off the top of my head. If anyone can think of any more post them up.


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Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 26 June 2007 at 10:47pm
Then it's no strange reason why Ntini is one of the fittest around!! Add symonds and McGrath too - he played a lot for an old man of late!!
 


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Posted By: NZ_Fast
Date Posted: 27 June 2007 at 4:11am
I read on a page by Brendon Bracewell a couple of years ago that young pace bowlers should be going for runs (jogging) for 45 mins at least 3 times a week. It has been recently removed from the page,  but he must know what he is talking about being a coach of up and coming pace bowlers.

I personnally never had my runs this long, it seemed a bit exsessive with trying to fit everything else of life in.


Posted By: The CCC
Date Posted: 29 June 2007 at 11:22am
NZ_Fast, yeah, B.Bracewell is right there. Jogging has next to zero effect on your body if you run for less than 40 mins. Same as walking where effects start after 20mins.

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Posted By: The CCC
Date Posted: 29 June 2007 at 11:24am
Originally posted by harrowdrive

You won't find many international cricketers jogging.Perhaps as a part of a warm up but certainly not hitting the roads.Jogging involes maintaining your heart rate at a steady but elevated state for long periods (15 minutes plus). In a cricket match your heart rate spikes up and down depending on what you are doing - even a Twenty20 game has periods where you are barely moving interspersed by jogs, runs and all out sprints.Therefore to train in a cricket specific way at whatever level you are at you must train at the same work to rest ratio as a typical match. That means interval and fartlek training, not jogging.


OK, I had always thought they did it to get the extra stamina to last for 4/5days.

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Posted By: harrowdrive
Date Posted: 03 July 2007 at 4:01pm
Lets forget about what people say they do, the physiological facts speak for themselves.

Cricket does not require a steady state level of fitness.

Think about what you do on the pitch. Do you run around for 20-40 minutes non stop or do you stop, start, sprint, jog, run and stand still for varied periods of time?

There is no physiologist or fitness coach who would advocate steady state jogging for cricket. Maybe they did 10-15 years ago but not these days.

I'm no expert on those International names that were listed but I'm willing to bet they do interval or fartlek running rather than straight up jogging. That is to say, slow jog for 1 minute, sprint for 30 secs, walk for 2 mins, run for 1 min etc. In that way you could call that jogging, but it is different from running at the same speed for extended periods.

That has the effect of building stamina and recovery between intervals in exactly the same way as happens on the pitch.

By the way, I'm no knocking jogging if people enjoy it, just saying you need to be aware of it's limitations as a training tool for cricket. There are better ways.




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Posted By: The Tyke
Date Posted: 03 July 2007 at 6:02pm
Originally posted by harrowdrive

Think about what you do on the pitch. Do you run around for 20-40 minutes non stop or do you stop, start, sprint, jog, run and stand still for varied periods of time?
 
OK, let's turn this into a slightly different scenario using a different sport that doesn't involve jogging. This would be boxing.
 
"Think about what you do in the ring. Do you run around for 20-40 minutes non stop or do you stop, start, and stand still for varied periods of time?"
 
If it can't be applied to cricket, where you do move about at, at least a jog pace, then why would it be valued in a sport where you don't do any jogging? Are you going to say that they should do step ups instead because it's more relevant?
 
Jogging is a very good form of exercise and is severely undervalued by physiologists and fitness coaches, especially in cricket.
 
As for the internationals that jog, they do exactly that, jog. Steady pace, long distance jogging. Not varied pace, etc.
And some of these internationals are the fittest players on the planet. And some are knocking on yet are fitter than most of the younger players who don't jog.


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Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 03 July 2007 at 8:37pm
Clap
        Sprints can make you fit but Jogging adds more stamina to your body! I can't see an unfit man making a double ton so those who leave jogging out of their cricket won't be that good!

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Posted By: Rambo_123UK
Date Posted: 05 July 2007 at 4:01pm
Irrespective of the pros and cons of jogging, it has nothing at all to do with building up the core muscles, which was the original question asked.

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Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 05 July 2007 at 9:08pm
I don't even know what the core muscle is. LOL

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Posted By: NZ_Fast
Date Posted: 06 July 2007 at 1:06am
Originally posted by spin wizard

I don't even know what the core muscle is. LOL


Pretty much your ab's, and to an extent your lower back muscles


Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 06 July 2007 at 4:38pm
Oh, thanks!

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Posted By: harrowdrive
Date Posted: 30 July 2007 at 5:03pm
Originally posted by The Tyke

Jogging is a very good form of exercise and is severely undervalued by physiologists and fitness coaches, especially in cricket.


Jogging is an excellent form of exercise. It will improve your health and reduce your risk of several nasty diseases. I highly recommend it for general health reasons, especially if you enjoy it.

It also has almost no crossover to cricket performance. Physiologists base their methods on principles like Specific Adaptation to Imposed Demand (SAID).

That's why a lot of people say to get fit for cricket you need to play cricket. That's true to a big extent.

Don't take my word for it. Listen to this guy: http://functionalpathtraining.blogspot.com/2007/02/train-for-work-capacity-not-endurance.html

At the end of it all (and I won't post again in this topic because I don't think we are going anywhere with the discussion), I believe performance comes from understanding what we do on the pitch then working on those elements in practice.




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Posted By: drandhawa
Date Posted: 08 July 2008 at 8:57pm
I actually jog quite a bit and have noticed that I have gotten weaker. My pace has dropped as long with my strength. However, jogging mixed with a solid routine of resistance training will do wonders. It's just the matter of going out there and doing it!Wink


Posted By: Sledger
Date Posted: 09 July 2008 at 5:56am
Resistance training huh - I like the sound of that!  I've never been able to resist that ABF in the pub or that last pringle , I must be a natural!

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Posted By: bladescape
Date Posted: 09 July 2008 at 6:38am
For that matter I've never been able to resist when a chocolate cake is on the table and the rule is free-for-all!
Maybe I need to some resistance training!


Posted By: Ives16
Date Posted: 09 July 2008 at 9:32am
Jogging is not cricket specific, but obviously helps these individuals.
 
Most top level coaches will develop a programme for each individual.  This might include Andrew Symonds to do some jogging.
 
I doubt Vaughan's knee surgeon will like him pounding the roads!
 
On the other hand, the players you've named might enjoy it.
(Especially when on tour and away from the wife and kids!)
 
But going back to the original question of core strength.
 
Ask a qualified coach (Preferably level 3), they will know best, and make any program specific to your build, weight, strength, etc.....
 
(By the way Tyke, wouldn't be from Barnsley would you with a name like that?)


Posted By: Ives16
Date Posted: 09 July 2008 at 9:35am
Jesse Ryder
Rob Key
Scott Styris
Phil Jaques
Chris Gayle
Mike Gatting
 
All well known joggers !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Posted By: NZ_Fast
Date Posted: 09 July 2008 at 10:07am
Oh my, i can't believe what trollop i was posting about fitness for cricket before.
 
Sure jogging will have some effect because it will increase the capacity and efficiency of your respitory system, thus allowing you to 'repay your oxygen debt' quicker such as the time between overs or ball chases. BUT, this is not specific (a major point of the universal "principles of training") to cricket. Sprints (particuarly interval training) is excellent for developing your fast-twitch muscles unlike jogging which is slow twitch oriented.  You then build stamina by doing things like doing a few reps of 100m at 70-80% max speed. Resistance training will help with your power and strength, though dont start doing things like bicep curls....why? well again specificity, when on the field do you do an action like a bicep curl???? Training 'movements' is much better; free weights are best for this though if your like me and cant/dont want to join a gym you can use your own bodyweight to great effect. Do things like 'wood chops' or 'planks' for core, push ups for triceps and chest (excellent for throwing) and inverted rows for errr more chest though different muscles and shoulders....I think you get the idea.


Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 09 July 2008 at 4:20pm
Ives16, do you know that Gayle is actually the fastest sprinter on the Windies team - believe it or not!
 
Anyhow, from my own experience, jogging does a lot.  My agility increased, I got fitter and even faster at running.
 
A lot of fitness things recommended today is to jog, run, jog, run as someone mentioned somewhere above and two of the fittest lads I know said they use to do sprints which makes you fitter quicker them say.  Like 5 short distance sprints but if you want stamina, jogging is sure as hell very good. 
 
I once saw Symonds jog around the st. vincent playing field with a brisk pace and he did a lot of laps - no wonder he is so damn fit!


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Posted By: Ives16
Date Posted: 09 July 2008 at 4:27pm
You are missing the point mate.
 
Which is that you don't need to be super-fit to be a world class cricketer.
 
Inzamam Ul Haq
Eddo Brandes
Brian McMillan
Shane Warne
 
I'm sure Gayle is quick (sprinting - fast twitch fibres and all that).
 
But I can't see the king of cool getting up early and jogging for 5 miles every other morning can you?
 
Symonds on the other hand is obviously well into his running, and aerobically probably one of the fittest.
 
But he'll get his core strength in the gym! - (if it isn't natural anyway!)


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Posted By: NZ_Fast
Date Posted: 09 July 2008 at 10:50pm
Originally posted by spin wizard

 
Anyhow, from my own experience, jogging does a lot.  My agility increased, I got fitter and even faster at running.
 
 
Your agility increased? So you are able to make sharp turns etc quicker now? Well that is possible, though it could improve more if you did specific agility training like ladders.
 
In theory and it seems like you've proven it, jogging will help you to run faster, but this comes back to the fact it has increased the efficiency of your respitory system, allowing you to maintain a higher speed for longer, but sprint/interval training over all is more effective.
 
Oh and Ives, yes there are world class players who are not physically that fit, but lets be honest, who here on these forums are that talented? Us more normal folk need to train hard to get the most we can out of our bodies.


Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 10 July 2008 at 1:10am
Well, to be honest NZ_Fast, I was an unfit lad before I started playing hard ball cricket and as soon as I started to jog which was the only exercise bar playing cricket, it increased my fitness and I guess a lot of other things to but a few days after doing my first joggin, I noticed after walking in I was quicker at turning and chasing balls.

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Posted By: NZ_Fast
Date Posted: 10 July 2008 at 1:15am

If your a little podgy, even walking will increase your agility..



Posted By: Ives16
Date Posted: 10 July 2008 at 9:07am
Obviously any form of exercise is only going to benefit your general levels of fitness, and help you out in any given sport.
 
(Except pub sports, such as darts, snooker, etc, etc - where drinking copious amounts of alcohol increase perceived performance, if not results!)
 
But you don't NEED to be a prime physical specimin to be good at a stop start sport such as cricket.
 
And you certainly don't NEED to jog to increase core strength.


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Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 10 July 2008 at 1:36pm
True but some stamina gained from jogging might mean you can spend longer time doing some longer core exercise. Big%20smile

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Posted By: Ives16
Date Posted: 10 July 2008 at 2:34pm
So we are all agreed then.
Jogging improves general fitness?
 
(As was stated about 79 messages ago!)


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Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 10 July 2008 at 4:39pm
Yep, well, I know I'm in agreement! 

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Posted By: michaelb
Date Posted: 27 September 2011 at 10:50pm
Too often I see people in the gym performing crunch after crunch to try and improve core strength.  Studies have proven this to be dangerous for the spine and an ineffective way to train the core. The core’s main function is to stabilize or prevent movement. This is not to say that flexion or extension should be totally neglected because you do need to have this type of core strength especially if you are a sports person.

Check out this article for more on this topic and see the video below of some core strength exercise progressions that you can incorporate into your workouts. 

http://www.strengthspeedagility.com/core-training-best-core-strength-exercises/ - http://www.strengthspeedagility.com/core-training-best-core-strength-exercises/

Core Strength and Stability Rollout Progression -  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbWCgrN7UwU - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbWCgrN7UwU

Core Training Anti Lateral Flexion (Landmine) -   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZcTiM-aZ58 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZcTiM-aZ58


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Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 28 September 2011 at 1:47pm

Say what you want, but crunch after crunch is one of the reasons I don't carry around a big belly infront of me.

Anyhow, all joke aside, you have a point.  I basically use to do those same crunch after crunch.  While it helped me to be a bit fitter and make me eat more without putting on weight, I realise that as far as the back goes, it was probably a wrong move.  I have now realise that you can't do one crunch, you have to do the complete set, like obliques, back stretches and planks etc.


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In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage.


Posted By: fishcake14
Date Posted: 28 September 2011 at 6:51pm
Here's a bunch that should work abs, obliques, back, legs. Google any of these if you don't know what they are:
Front plank, side planks, reverse plank. Add 'bobbles' and leg raise into these once you're able.
Russian twists (with or without medicine ball)
Leg raises
Windscreen wipers
Side sit-ups
Squats and lunges (if you can move on to single leg squats you will be a strong fellow)
Bicycles
Back raises and bridges
Squirm crunch
Jack-knives

These things have various other names, but if you can do all these you'll be pretty strong. Here's a fairly good website that covers most things: 
http://www.shapefit.com/training-abs.html - http://www.shapefit.com/training-abs.html


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Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 29 September 2011 at 1:25am
Squats are out of the picture for me.  My knees don't react well to them after.

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