30000
Printed From: Cricket World
Category: Let's Talk Cricket
Forum Name: Facts, Stats & Records
Forum Discription:
URL: http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4155
Printed Date: 20 May 2013 at 5:59am
Software Version: Web Wiz Forums 9.71 - http://www.webwizforums.com
Topic: 30000
Posted By: Vaughansashes09
Subject: 30000
Date Posted: 07 September 2007 at 11:50am
|
Mark Ramprakash recently went through 30000 FC runs. Add to this he has 94 FC 100s (probaby 95 in about 2 hours time) and his record is amazing.
Just wanted to say well done really.
|
Replies:
Posted By: W.G.
Date Posted: 07 September 2007 at 12:11pm
|
Could you have done it somewhere more appropriate and with the Ronseal approach to the thread title, can I suggest congratulation Ramps on 30000 first class career runs
------------- When you win the toss - bat. If you are in doubt, think about it - then bat. If you have very big doubts, consult a colleague - then bat. |
Posted By: Vaughansashes09
Date Posted: 07 September 2007 at 12:19pm
|
Probably.
Does it matter that much?
I would have thought facts, stats and records is the right place.
Is there any other current player with a record of such volume?
|
Posted By: 143no
Date Posted: 07 September 2007 at 12:25pm
|
Proves how good county cricket is, he was nowhere near test standard. ------------- Monkey see, Monkey do. |
Posted By: Vaughansashes09
Date Posted: 07 September 2007 at 12:33pm
Yes. And the leading scorers in State cricket are........
Have you ever considered engaging your brain before posting?
|
Posted By: 143no
Date Posted: 07 September 2007 at 12:59pm
|
Darren lehman, who proved he was clearly up to it, age just caught up to him. ------------- Monkey see, Monkey do. |
Posted By: bondy
Date Posted: 07 September 2007 at 1:22pm
|
Hussey is another example also. ------------- Good one Graham! |
Posted By: W.G.
Date Posted: 07 September 2007 at 1:32pm
------------- When you win the toss - bat. If you are in doubt, think about it - then bat. If you have very big doubts, consult a colleague - then bat. |
Posted By: W.G.
Date Posted: 07 September 2007 at 1:34pm
------------- When you win the toss - bat. If you are in doubt, think about it - then bat. If you have very big doubts, consult a colleague - then bat. |
Posted By: W.G.
Date Posted: 07 September 2007 at 1:42pm
|
Ramps was the victim of an extended period of bleedin' awful English selection policy. 143 repeatedly extols the virtue and greatness of Australian cricket, few would argue, but Ramps continually excelled against the Aussies, particularly overseas.
------------- When you win the toss - bat. If you are in doubt, think about it - then bat. If you have very big doubts, consult a colleague - then bat. |
Posted By: Vaughansashes09
Date Posted: 07 September 2007 at 1:43pm
|
Seems to be doing ok.....
Lehmann followed by Cox and Siddons
For the record Ramprakash failed at International level, which was sad
He failed like so many others because of the England managements incompitence
In all my years of watching cricket no one has been a better batsmen at FC level than Ramps. This includes Lara and Tendulkar and all the other greats.
|
Posted By: W.G.
Date Posted: 07 September 2007 at 1:44pm
------------- When you win the toss - bat. If you are in doubt, think about it - then bat. If you have very big doubts, consult a colleague - then bat. |
Posted By: Vaughansashes09
Date Posted: 07 September 2007 at 1:49pm
At FC level.
I dont think so. Remember I wont have seen much cricket outside of England at FC level.
Over the period of time we are talking about, which happily only preceeds Ramps career by a few years, who exactly would you say was a more majestic, impressive batsman? At FC level.
|
Posted By: W.G.
Date Posted: 07 September 2007 at 2:01pm
|
International test cricket is first class, making the Tendulkar and Lara references daft - I believe you must have seen them play, and Ramps, good as he is, doesn't come close.
------------- When you win the toss - bat. If you are in doubt, think about it - then bat. If you have very big doubts, consult a colleague - then bat. |
Posted By: Vaughansashes09
Date Posted: 07 September 2007 at 2:05pm
i have seen them play in tests and some at FC level. But I should have been clearer. Away from tests Ramps is different. Compared at that level he IMO is better than anyone.
Just my opinion.
|
Posted By: W.G.
Date Posted: 07 September 2007 at 2:05pm
Graeme Hick ------------- When you win the toss - bat. If you are in doubt, think about it - then bat. If you have very big doubts, consult a colleague - then bat. |
Posted By: W.G.
Date Posted: 07 September 2007 at 2:06pm
There, that any better? ------------- When you win the toss - bat. If you are in doubt, think about it - then bat. If you have very big doubts, consult a colleague - then bat. |
Posted By: Vaughansashes09
Date Posted: 07 September 2007 at 2:21pm
Yes......i......get......that
But.....you.....are......allowed......to......look......at......performance......at.......different.......levels
Ramps problem was mental at test level. At the levek below he was and is awesome.
Hick is superb, but actually his period of dominance was less.
Gooch comes closest for me, but still Ramps
|
Posted By: W.G.
Date Posted: 07 September 2007 at 2:29pm
------------- When you win the toss - bat. If you are in doubt, think about it - then bat. If you have very big doubts, consult a colleague - then bat. |
Posted By: top-of-off
Date Posted: 07 September 2007 at 5:07pm
| Ramps is the finest player I have seen batting live. As a season ticket holder at the Oval I am gifted some extraordinary innings from the great man. I have seen many fine players play here but none match him. A wonderful player and a wondeful guy. I have spoken to him once or twice and he's a lovely bloke. I cant wait till he scores his hundredth hundred and he had better score it at the oval or i will be very peeved. |
Posted By: Vaughansashes09
Date Posted: 07 September 2007 at 5:12pm
|
95 FC 100s now (currently 172*)
Will Ramps be the last person to score 100 x 100s?
I cant see any more such fine players failing at the top level, but you never know.
As I say I dont care how much I get shouted down Mark Ramprakash is the best batsman I have ever see play.
|
Posted By: Vaughansashes09
Date Posted: 07 September 2007 at 5:14pm
However many times Sachin murders Bangladeshi and Kenyian bowling at 'Test' and 'ODI' level he will never be as good a player as Ramprakash to me.
isn't that the essense of cricket? The fact that I can put one player on a pedistal while you cant.
|
Posted By: top-of-off
Date Posted: 07 September 2007 at 5:14pm
| why would people shout at you? Its your own opinion and they should respect that. I agree, he is a delightful batsman to watch. |
Posted By: bondy
Date Posted: 07 September 2007 at 10:48pm
|
its in some peoples nature unfortunately. ------------- Good one Graham! |
Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 08 September 2007 at 12:54am
|
Ramprakash is in no class of Sachin Tendulkar Vaughny! If he was, he would have played much more test cricket than he did!! I can't actually believe someone is soooooooooooooo naive to say that! ------------- In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage. |
Posted By: BackFoot Master
Date Posted: 08 September 2007 at 1:43am
I can sleep all day and still easier name a man who has better than Ranp.
Oh yeah, Ramp has been playing county cricket season after season for donkey years now, tell me how much county cricket Sachin and Lara played, and compare the skills to ramp. Tendulkar and lara doesn't have time for County level because of international cricket and make sure to sleep on those facts overnight.
------------- August 16th 2009, my team Youth Combine was crowned CHAMPION once more |
Posted By: BackFoot Master
Date Posted: 08 September 2007 at 2:03am
Okay smart guy, tell me how much centuries Mark Ramprakash scored against aussie, South africa and in New Zealand.
All them damage Sachin doing to the english bowlers this series have your head badly messed up and needs repairing. ------------- August 16th 2009, my team Youth Combine was crowned CHAMPION once more |
Posted By: bondy
Date Posted: 08 September 2007 at 2:20am
|
he won't be able to answer you BFM, he's been banned. ------------- Good one Graham! |
Posted By: samhache
Date Posted: 08 September 2007 at 2:25am
|
BFM is on a rampage, "Beware, whom ever talks with distaste towards the great Sachin is to be forever condemned by BFM" ------------- Warriors!! |
Posted By: BackFoot Master
Date Posted: 08 September 2007 at 2:29am
|
Bravo, bravo. Samhache help me prepare a green track for Ramprakash and vaughansashes09 and we see how good they really are. ------------- August 16th 2009, my team Youth Combine was crowned CHAMPION once more |
Posted By: W.G.
Date Posted: 08 September 2007 at 7:29am
------------- When you win the toss - bat. If you are in doubt, think about it - then bat. If you have very big doubts, consult a colleague - then bat. |
Posted By: slogger72N/O
Date Posted: 08 September 2007 at 8:05am
|
Congratulations to Ramprakash, hopefully 100 100s won't be too far away now as well.
Real shame he never made it at test level, he could probably be quite a good test batsmen if he was picked now, but he's had his chances
|
Posted By: top-of-off
Date Posted: 08 September 2007 at 3:05pm
youre right, he isn't anywhere near as good as the top crop of batsmen, I never said he was. It was Vaughan that said that. All I was saying is that's his opinion and people should respect that, even if it's not correct in other people's eyes. Wasn't taking a stab at you mate.  |
Posted By: BackFoot Master
Date Posted: 08 September 2007 at 10:15pm
|
Funny stuff ah 30000 FC runs and not in the International team, creepy ah. ------------- August 16th 2009, my team Youth Combine was crowned CHAMPION once more |
Posted By: bondy
Date Posted: 09 September 2007 at 12:47pm
|
It shows that the required mentality is a totally different concept at test level, which proves anyone wrong who believes county cricket, or any other form of cricket for that matter, is near in contest. ------------- Good one Graham! |
Posted By: top-of-off
Date Posted: 09 September 2007 at 10:30pm
| youre right there bondy, spot on! How many guys look wonderful in nets but cant buy a run in matches. In my cricket club, we have about 50 of them. |
Posted By: Sledger
Date Posted: 10 September 2007 at 7:30am
|
Ramprakash has been a prolific runscorer at County level for many ,
many years. He's got every shot in the book and technically looks
as nigh perfect as anyone playing the game today. Sadly , he just couldn't produce at the highest level on a regular basis. The selectors were extremely patient with him , knowing just how talented he was , but in the end he just had to be dropped. His legacy might well read something along the lines "A naturally gifted batsman , fluent , asthetically pleasing , a run machine , but............" You can guess the rest. ------------- Mental disintegration works for me !! |
Posted By: 143no
Date Posted: 10 September 2007 at 7:54am
|
They tell me Cullinan was a terrific batsman with good technique, before warney got inside his head, it shows how mental a game like cricket can be. ------------- Monkey see, Monkey do. |
Posted By: Sledger
Date Posted: 10 September 2007 at 8:02am
|
Cullinan had everything too 143 - a real class act and still the
youngest South African to score a 1st class hundred when still only
16. Warne definitely messed with his head and Cullinan just had no answer. The funny thing was that he played spin really well - except Warne. He made plenty of runs on the subcontinent and was a real treat to watch. He scored quickly and was especially good through the cover region. The mental glitch was evident whenever SA played Australia and for that reason Cullinan won't be remembered as a South African great. ------------- Mental disintegration works for me !! |
Posted By: bondy
Date Posted: 10 September 2007 at 9:42am
Take Mark Richardson for example. He wasn't the most gifted or prolific batsman ever, but he certainly had what it took mentally! Astounding concentration with a nagging ability to frustrate the bowler into submission!!  ------------- Good one Graham! |
Posted By: Sledger
Date Posted: 10 September 2007 at 10:11am
|
Yes Bondy there's many a batsman who maximised what natural
talent they possessed by concentrating incredibly hard - Mike Atherton
and Gary Kirsten are two that come to mind , along with Richardson.
------------- Mental disintegration works for me !! |
Posted By: bondy
Date Posted: 10 September 2007 at 10:24am
|
I've always though Richardson has the least talented out of any successful batsman. Unless you know otherwise.. ------------- Good one Graham! |
Posted By: Sledger
Date Posted: 10 September 2007 at 10:36am
|
Hard to tell - but when it came to bloodymindedness he was up there with the best! ------------- Mental disintegration works for me !! |
Posted By: top-of-off
Date Posted: 10 September 2007 at 8:46pm
| I dont think Collingwood's very talented but he's still a bloody good batsman. You can tell he's got a good work ethic. |
Posted By: W.G.
Date Posted: 11 September 2007 at 7:06am
|
Not a great judge then ehh top-of (wasn't that a monkey in the 70s children show Pipkins)? Collingwood is a class act, always has been - ask Warney why he tried to wind him up so much. ------------- When you win the toss - bat. If you are in doubt, think about it - then bat. If you have very big doubts, consult a colleague - then bat. |
Posted By: top-of-off
Date Posted: 11 September 2007 at 7:25pm
|
i mean he hasnt got as much talent as Pietersen or Flintoff who are natural timers of the ball. I am, by no means saying he isn't a class act, not by any means. I am merely saying I think he works harder than most of the international players today. Another one is Geoff Boycott, he spent hours trying to get his bat totally straight against anyone who would bowl at him. Also Vijay Singh apparently practises 8 hours a day, yet still isn't as good as Tiger as Tiger is far more naturally talented. |
Posted By: W.G.
Date Posted: 11 September 2007 at 11:09pm
|
Odd opinion, Collingwood is one of the finest timers of a stroke you are ever likely to see.
------------- When you win the toss - bat. If you are in doubt, think about it - then bat. If you have very big doubts, consult a colleague - then bat. |
Posted By: bondy
Date Posted: 11 September 2007 at 11:16pm
|
I've always thought Fleming was a treat to watch when he got going. ------------- Good one Graham! |
Posted By: top-of-off
Date Posted: 12 September 2007 at 7:44pm
through hard work, all the commentators say he works harder than most at his batting, I am not knocking the mans ability at all but I dont think he is as naturally gifted at timing the ball than the guys like Pietersen or Flintoff. Boycott says it perfectly "Collingwood uses every ounce of his ability" |
Posted By: Shoaib
Date Posted: 15 September 2007 at 7:27pm
| Congratulations to Ramprakash for scoring 30000 FC runs.But he failed at test level because of his weakness against genuine fast bowlers which he could come over.And it was sp unlucky for him that during his career,there were lot of great genuine fast bowlers e.g Wasim,Ambrose,Donald,Waqar & others. |
Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 16 September 2007 at 12:50pm
|
Yep Shoaib, those were the days of watching some good test cricket. You had to be patient and very gritty with those fellas. ------------- In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage. |
Posted By: sandeepmjd
Date Posted: 23 November 2007 at 5:15am
| Ha, I have been watching some comparision of Ram Prakash with Sachin. I'm not a great fan of Sachin though. But I wonder does it make sence comparing a Master with a school kid in cricket? |