Twenty20 World Cup Final: India vs Pakistan
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Topic: Twenty20 World Cup Final: India vs Pakistan
Posted By: Monty
Subject: Twenty20 World Cup Final: India vs Pakistan
Date Posted: 22 September 2007 at 8:17pm
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After great wins by India and Pakistan in their Semi Finals, we are now set for one of the greatest Ind, Pak game ever, what will the rivalry lead to? My moneys on Pakistan. But one things for sure, its going to be a fantastic game. ------------- Flavia et Cornelia sedebat sub arbore!!! Oh My goodness!! Sitting under a tree! |
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Posted By: daisy77
Date Posted: 22 September 2007 at 8:35pm
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Well I'll definately be supporting Pak. It's a nice match up for the finals. India's performance today was truly amazing. It was an all-round team performance. Yuvraj was great with the bat....and coming down to the end of the match Harbajan bowled a very good over, he was backed up by RP Singh and then the final over by Sharma was just out of this world! Total team performance and India really deserved that victory. The finals should be pretty even even.....these two teams are playing really good cricket at present. Hoping for Pak to outplay India in the finals though! (God willing). ------------- |
Posted By: BackFoot Master
Date Posted: 22 September 2007 at 9:15pm
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It should be a great final but I am throwing my money on India. ------------- August 16th 2009, my team Youth Combine was crowned CHAMPION once more |
Posted By: daisy77
Date Posted: 22 September 2007 at 9:30pm
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Well the match could go in any direction....... ------------- |
Posted By: EnglandFan
Date Posted: 22 September 2007 at 10:01pm
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Its going to be a fantastic game for sure. Im going with Pakistan simply because i believe Umar Gul will be able to limit india in the final overs, like he has done so well through out this tournament. Also i feel india rely strongly on Yuvraj and sehwag to smash the ball out of the park, however they cant always carry the team.
I believe both teams have proven a point after being knocked out early in the world cup. Both teams ahve played fantastic cricket and deserve to be in the final.
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Posted By: The Tyke
Date Posted: 22 September 2007 at 10:03pm
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This tournament couldn't hardly have a better finish if it had been scripted. An India vs. Pakistan final is sure to be a great game, and if it's anything like their encounter earlier in the tournament we are in for a treat.
Here's the way I see it.
India have been much improved in this tournament for their running between the wickets and their work in the field.
I think the all round attitude of the side is good. They've picked up the real love and outward passion that has been lacking in recent times, and I think that's to do more with the captain and vice captain than the new players in the side. The love for the game is coming from Dhoni and that passion is coming from the fired up Yuvraj.
I've been impressed for the first time in a while by their capabilities with the ball. Normally when we speak of India we talk about their batting prowess. They've kept quite a bit of the ability with the bat but have improved with the ball. Sreesanth is showing the right form of aggression and that has given the attack a real cutting edge.
For them to win this they need to put in a very similar performance to the one they showed tonight.
As for Pakistan, they've had a few problems with the top of the order. They can't always rely on Khan, Malik and Misbah to bail them out. If their top order fires then they can hit a great score.
Their bowling will be where they can win the match though.
Tanvir will be awkward to bat against because of the angle and the bounce he gets. India will have to cut and pull him and some of the Indian's are not as good on the backfoot. I'll think that Pakistan will hold him back until Sehwag is gone, because everyone is aware of his ability to put away the shorter balls.
Gul is looking much improved now. He's looking dangerous and can really damage any teams hopes of a run chase if he's on song.
Asif will have fond memories of the 4'fer he got earlier in the tournament and will look to repeat that again.
Their work in the field is just as good as India's and this should make sure that it comes directly down to what happens in the middle as to who wins.
I think that Afridi will be the wild card of the match. If he gets going with the bat then he'll hit it miles up in Jo'burg. With the ball he will either have a very good day, with the batsmen trying to target him, and he'll pick up a few. Or he'll have a terrible day with him disappearing to the boundary many times.
For any people who like to bet my advice to you is, Flip a coin on it because it's too close to call.
I'll put my neck on the block and go with India but my head says it will be really close.
I'm looking forward to it. ------------- Minn hugur er minn sverđ (My mind is my sword) |
Posted By: DRAVID FAN
Date Posted: 22 September 2007 at 11:07pm
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I'm supporting India for sure. Both teams are playing better without their senior players.
Anyways, I'm hoping for a tie again but since India already beat Pakistan, the latter might win this one. Never seen such finals in my life before. Two teams so evenly matched, its not even funny. I might be wrong but I think that India will have an edge if Yuvraj performs well. Looking forward to a great finals. Will check the scores in my lunch in school. ------------- |
Posted By: BackFoot Master
Date Posted: 23 September 2007 at 12:29am
Yeah, so how much you want to bet me
 .These two teams always play great matches. There matches are always close and excited and You can never predict the winner even when they are playing in Pakistan or India.
It can go anyway.
I just can't wait. I wish tomorrow was monday.
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Posted By: cricketchampion
Date Posted: 23 September 2007 at 7:03am
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Either India win it, or its a TIE and in the ball out, India win it. :p Pakistan, you will have to wait until next time, and hope India is not in such terrific form! :D ------------- 
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Posted By: 143no
Date Posted: 23 September 2007 at 7:23am
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I can't wait for the proposed ten10 world cup next season, it will make the competition even closer. ------------- Monkey see, Monkey do. |
Posted By: green plane
Date Posted: 23 September 2007 at 8:31am
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Both team deserve to play final. After world cup debacle I give credit to pakistani team more because after the incident of woolmer it is not easy for anyone to come up from that shock and play brilliantly.
Indian team is looking extremely dangerous but i feel that there is so much pressure on yuvraj.
India is looking little bit better than pakistan. Pakistan never beat India in world cup.so I wish that this time Pakistan win this match
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Posted By: samhache
Date Posted: 23 September 2007 at 9:12am
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If Yuvraj continues his form then India will take it home. ------------- Warriors!! |
Posted By: 143no
Date Posted: 23 September 2007 at 9:23am
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I just hope it's not a green top, we wouldn't want both teams disadvantaged. ------------- Monkey see, Monkey do. |
Posted By: cricketchampion
Date Posted: 23 September 2007 at 10:16am
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And there is going to be a new form with only six overs, I heard. Non sense! Why not make it a five ball game.
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Posted By: Shane Warnabee
Date Posted: 23 September 2007 at 10:47am
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i just hope india win this match! I read in the papers
that yuvraj's dad said that he thinks yuvraj badly wanted the captaincy which he didn't get so probably he is showing his anger through his performances. All i can say is that i won't mind a bit if he gets mad as he seems to get excellent performances whenevr he is charged up! Go india! ------------- What goes around comes around! |
Posted By: bondy
Date Posted: 23 September 2007 at 10:53am
i sense someone's a little bitter because he's not used to his team not making the final. I give this tournament the thumbs up. The shorter version of the game is there for entertainment primarily and thats certainly what it has delivered. ------------- Good one Graham! |
Posted By: gambler
Date Posted: 23 September 2007 at 10:53am
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Well my dark horse for the tournament (Pakistan) haven't disappointed me. Unlike the other team that I backed with my hard-earned money (those chokers from South Africa.... The Pakis were great value at 20.00 before the tournament starting and I stand to win a small fortune if they take out the trophy...but I think I will have to put an "insurance" bet on India for the final....because (as their previous match in this tournament has shown) there is absolute nothing between these 2 teams.
By the way, the huge popularity of this cricket format was proved to me last nite, as I sat with a few friends at the Sydney casino sports bar. In what was an absolute sports-fest of a nite, with the NRL+AFL finals, the Rugby World Cup + numerous soccer matches, by far the most interest + atmosphere was generated by the 2 Twenty/20 matches (especially the Indian/Aussie match naturally).
Anyway, go Pakistan in the final! As I suspected at the start of the tournament, this form of cricket is tailor-made for them...and I think (hope) that they will be hard to beat.
P.S. I just regret not taking the 30.00 odds available on India only a few days ago...damn!...
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). Posted By: 143no
Date Posted: 23 September 2007 at 11:01am
No worries about any bitterness with you then bondy. ------------- Monkey see, Monkey do. |
Posted By: bondy
Date Posted: 23 September 2007 at 11:05am
you ought to get used to being on the losing side  ------------- Good one Graham! |
Posted By: scuudz
Date Posted: 23 September 2007 at 3:10pm
Yes, India looked really disadvantaged against South Africa on a green top the other night.
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Posted By: cricketchampion
Date Posted: 23 September 2007 at 3:22pm
Probably thats why India won?  -------------
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Posted By: 143no
Date Posted: 23 September 2007 at 4:29pm
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Not the sharpest tool in the shed are you champ. ------------- Monkey see, Monkey do. |
Posted By: cricketchampion
Date Posted: 23 September 2007 at 4:53pm
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I meant no offense to you mate. Just wanted to point out that India have got three brilliant Fast-Medium Pacers(FM). They have right arm-left arm combination with their opening bowlers. RP Singh has been terrific, and has played a major role in defending those totals for India in the previous games. The wicket of Shaun Pollock was beautiful! Sreesanth has bowled really well and is in sensational form. He has performed well against the top teams in this world. Granted that he has been a bit wayward in his behavior. Then India have another good bowler, namely Irfan Pathan. Although he has lost his 'sting' which he had early in his career, but he is still a very good bowler. Irfan was very economical in the match against SA on the green wicket (Four overs for 16). Joginder Sharma too was economical (as far as T20 is concerned) giving away a reasonable 24 runs in his 4 overs against SA. Can't be too sure if he will be picked up for the finals because of the hammering he received in his first 3 overs yesterday. Indian bowlers have performed well when it matters, and I wouldn't consider them any weaker if it is a green wicket. -------------
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Posted By: Dan Can
Date Posted: 23 September 2007 at 5:24pm
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Can't wait for Monday. First time India - Pakistan final in any form of cricket WC. History is in India's favor, Pakistan has to produce magic to deny history. ------------- "Catches win Matches" |
Posted By: 143no
Date Posted: 23 September 2007 at 5:26pm
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Yes I imagine their bowlers would enjoy it, it's generally the asian batsmen that don't. ------------- Monkey see, Monkey do. |
Posted By: 143no
Date Posted: 23 September 2007 at 5:28pm
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how is history on india's side if this is the 1st time they have met in a final? ------------- Monkey see, Monkey do. |
Posted By: BackFoot Master
Date Posted: 23 September 2007 at 5:46pm
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Base on matches between the two team he means 143. ------------- August 16th 2009, my team Youth Combine was crowned CHAMPION once more |
Posted By: 143no
Date Posted: 23 September 2007 at 5:51pm
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how many 20-20 games have they played against each other? ------------- Monkey see, Monkey do. |
Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 23 September 2007 at 6:14pm
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One more thing I have to add, Pathan seems like he is working back up some pace. I saw him bowl one 87mph yesterday and was hitting 83 more than once. Good signs for India but I haven't seen that magnificent swing from him that I'm accustomed too! ------------- In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage. |
Posted By: DRAVID FAN
Date Posted: 23 September 2007 at 6:37pm
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I read an article on cricinfo:
http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/twenty20wc/content/story/312217.html Recently there was an Indian movie about an Indian hockey team winning a world cup when they were the worst. Both teams probably got inspired by the movie.  ------------- |
Posted By: EnglandFan
Date Posted: 23 September 2007 at 7:08pm
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The indian bowlers were good in matches were the conditions were beneficial. Lets see if they do that well in conditions which dont help swing that much. |
Posted By: daisy77
Date Posted: 23 September 2007 at 11:41pm
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Posted By: daisy77
Date Posted: 23 September 2007 at 11:44pm
What?? 1010 world cup? Are you kidding? I have never heard about this before..it doesn't sound very nice though....stick with 2020 cricket. 2020 cricket so short already....a 1010 cricket match would be like what 1 hour? that's insane!  ------------- |
Posted By: scuudz
Date Posted: 24 September 2007 at 12:39am
I guess there needs to be a big neon sign around my previous statement saying, "THIS IS SARCASM".
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Posted By: zuhair_abbasi
Date Posted: 24 September 2007 at 6:14am
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Nothing to choose between the two. My gut feeling is the side fielding first will have the advantage and it will be Its more than just a cricket match here in ------------- http://thecricketinsight.blogspot.com/ |
Posted By: dips_december
Date Posted: 24 September 2007 at 6:34am
They definitely have been Df. I hope it will be a thrilling final and India will win. All I want to say is "Chak de India". All the best guys. ------------- |
Posted By: zuhair_abbasi
Date Posted: 24 September 2007 at 8:50am
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Win the toss..bowl first and clinch the trophy!!! ------------- http://thecricketinsight.blogspot.com/ |
Posted By: 143no
Date Posted: 24 September 2007 at 9:11am
You guys musn't have much pride if it hangs on a mickey mouse game of cricket, get a grip. ------------- Monkey see, Monkey do. |
Posted By: bondy
Date Posted: 24 September 2007 at 9:31am
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i think his conception of pride is a little different than yours 'mate' ------------- Good one Graham! |
Posted By: zuhair_abbasi
Date Posted: 24 September 2007 at 9:44am
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Well...I myself don’t really rate T20 any serious cricket...rather it could only prove harmful for the game!!! But yes, India Pak involved…pride comes there!! Of course you cannot think like an Indian or a Paki that is why you just don’t get it. Isn’t the Ashes more than just a test series for you guys?? Here in 143 n.o. Had Aussies made into the finals and won it…I am sure you would have posted that We the Aussies are champs in all forms of the game and the Mickey mouse aspect would have been ignored big ------------- http://thecricketinsight.blogspot.com/ |
Posted By: bondy
Date Posted: 24 September 2007 at 10:09am
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you actually provide some good points there, though i'm sure he's been doubting this game from the start- entertaining, but not 'real enough', eh?
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Posted By: zuhair_abbasi
Date Posted: 24 September 2007 at 10:22am
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This game will ruin the 50 over game if over dosed ------------- http://thecricketinsight.blogspot.com/ |
Posted By: shan
Date Posted: 24 September 2007 at 11:20am
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The way they held ICC World Cup few months back was awful. This twenty 20 is better organized with a lot of excitment and thrill for masses. This has already made 50/50 vulnerable.
I am also not a big fan of 20/20, but having watched the matches closely I can clearly see the difference between domestic and International version. At the international level, it's much more professional and sophisticated. The teams with a game plan have better chances. Even the batsmen who slog all the times haven't proved to be the best of the lot. If you look a bit more closely, many of the shots resulting in the maximum were proper cricketing shots played by some really good batsmen. And the bowlers with better line and length and variety have succeeded too. Team with game plan have succeeded too. Look at Pakistan for example. Opening with Asif and Sohai, then after 6 over deploying spinners and then after twelve bringing Umer Gul into attack, this is a definite game plan. You can see some reall good cricket, only if you want to.
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Posted By: BackFoot Master
Date Posted: 24 September 2007 at 3:54pm
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It's a good thing I stayd home.
Pakistan need 59 from 30 balls with 4 wickets in hand.
Come on India, you can win this big match. ------------- August 16th 2009, my team Youth Combine was crowned CHAMPION once more |
Posted By: Clobber
Date Posted: 24 September 2007 at 4:21pm
| quite a gripping final in the end thanks to the heroics of Misbah but India just (and only just) held their nerve |
Posted By: daisy77
Date Posted: 24 September 2007 at 4:24pm
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Totally disappointed with the Pakistani batsmen...they should have won this match but they lost too many wickets.....especially disappointed in Afridi. He should have really fired today but he failed...it really shows how inconsistant he could be. ------------- |
Posted By: Shane Warnabee
Date Posted: 24 September 2007 at 4:40pm
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Yay! India have won the Twenty20 WC. That was 1 heck of a match and i had my heart in my mouth till the end.
Any old person might have got an heart attack. Excellent batting by Gambir and pathan took 3 wickets good bowling from him too. Well played pakistan though! ------------- What goes around comes around! |
Posted By: daisy77
Date Posted: 24 September 2007 at 4:53pm
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That match was really big even Sharuk Khan was there... ...(I probably spelt his name wrong). ------------- |
Posted By: IbiZZle
Date Posted: 24 September 2007 at 5:07pm
My money says Sharukh Khan is the next Micheal Jackson.  Thrilling finish to a fantastic tournament. Congratulations India. Well fought by Pakistan in the end. Don't be too disappointed Pakistani supporters, the trophy could have easily been yours. ------------- !~Where Ever You Go, There You Are~! |
Posted By: cricketchampion
Date Posted: 24 September 2007 at 5:16pm
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What a match! India is looking very strong. Dhoni took off his top and gave it to a kid~ I couldn't stop laughing! -------------
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Posted By: green plane
Date Posted: 24 September 2007 at 8:29pm
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fantastic match, congratulation to india. Although Pakistan lost but i am still happy that pakistan played good cricket throughout the tournament and win matches against quality sides like australia, srilanka, new zealand.
for me Pakistan lost because of
1) M.hafeez drop the catch
2) younis not take responsibilty as a senior player, he was also involved in imran nazir's runout.
3) poor display by pakistani batsman
what make me happy is that in this tournament pakistan found good players like gul(as a mature bowler), misbah, tanvir, fawwad alam etc. pakistan fielding also improved. Lawson did great job. Shoaib malik as a captain looking very good. now selector should take a step to bring new wicketkeeper in the team. i m not happy with akmal. we aso need a good opener.
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Posted By: kamleshmistry
Date Posted: 24 September 2007 at 8:40pm
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India did well to win the tournament and I'm very happy for them. Hope they keep it up and the Indians back them now weather they win or lose. Hope they keep the fearless attitude and play to their best, thats all we ask for.
Keep it up!!!! Pakistan well done for a close match !!!! But the best team won on the day !!!! |
Posted By: DRAVID FAN
Date Posted: 25 September 2007 at 1:03am
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Yes! India made it. Well played both teams. Good fight from Pakistan. Misbah nearly took them all the way. Pity I didn't subscribe for the game. Heck even Shah Rukh Khan was there (probably see him in a movie soon anyway). Didn't expect India to make it to the finals so didn't subscribe for it. coming to think of it I would not have been at home to watch the games anyway.
Good Luck to India for their upcoming series against Australia. Atleast Dravid will be back . Same for Pakistan for their series against South Africa. ------------- |
Posted By: Sledger
Date Posted: 25 September 2007 at 6:18am
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That was close , Misbah could well have been the hero but he just
got a bit cute with that final shot. Lawson seems to have got Pakistan
smiling again and they can go home having played some good
cricket. Both teams failed in the Caribbean and then make the finals in SA - funny that! Well done to Steve Elworthy and his team , the whole event went off really well. Good crowds , fine pitches and entertaining matches - can't ask for more than that. ------------- Mental disintegration works for me !! |
Posted By: Clobber
Date Posted: 25 September 2007 at 8:27am
If you look at it again Nazir ran diagonally which meant he had to go a lot more than 22 yards, for which he has no one to blame but himself |
Posted By: kahmad
Date Posted: 25 September 2007 at 8:44am
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i am as a pakistani very happy for India. They played very good Cricket throughout the tournament. They deserved it. I can say the same for Pakistan. They also deserved to win the world cup. There was no difference. Maybe the fielding and the running between the Wickets what was crucial in the End. I feel so sorry for Misbah. He had it in his hands and he got the ball to hit straight six. It was a half-volley. He gave it away in the last minute. I hope that one bad shot dont affect his carreer. He was wasted a long time by Pakistan. I missed also Abdul Razzaq there in the Batting. He plays always with much more responsbility than Afridi. I cant understand the Promotion for Akmal. This helped only the opponents. Anyway it must be a good experience for the young side. Congratulations India. Well done. Pkistani Cricket Team make us also very much proud of them. Go and win the next Cup. You deserve it too |
Posted By: green plane
Date Posted: 25 September 2007 at 1:47pm
yes he ran diagonally but what everyone including yunus knew that imran had a problem in running so there was no need to take close run, already pakistan scored 8 or 9 runs in that over.
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Posted By: Clobber
Date Posted: 25 September 2007 at 3:53pm
| he was out by about a foot but ran around 2 yards more than he needed to. You work it out. |
Posted By: cricketchampion
Date Posted: 25 September 2007 at 4:26pm
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Pakistan could have very easily won had their players thought more sensibly. Hafeez was trying to run the ball to third man when there was a wide slip. Kamran Akmal- Beautiful delivery by RP! He had no chance! Imran Nazir- Was playing well before he got run out. (as discussed above) Younus Khan- Knows that he is not a big hitter, should have just knocked around singles and rotated strike. Simple catch to Y Pathan. Shoaib Malik- He had to take responsibility. Didn't arouse to the situation. Got out due to some good bowling by Pathan full of variations. Shahid Afridi- Stupid! Stupid! Stupid! Had he stayed there for some while knocking around singles and hitting the odd boundary and blast in the last 2-3 overs if required...and Pakistan would have won the T20 Cup. Arafat- Tried well! Lack of batting skill did him. Can't blame him much S Tanvir- Two good sixes. He did his very best before he got bowled by a peach of a delivery by Sreesanth U Gul-  Misbah Ul Haq- He is a great batsman for Pakistan. He will be the key for Pakistan in the future. What a wonderful knock. Could have taken his team to victory had he not tried that shot. One would have to ask, why would he want to hit a cheeky shot for 4 when he could hit huge sixes with slogs as well as proper cricket shots. He tried his level best though! -------------
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Posted By: kamleshmistry
Date Posted: 25 September 2007 at 5:25pm
| I hope India stick with youth from now on. Its youths turn to continue in India cricketing future. Out with the old and in with the new. the youngers can do what the elder can not do any more, the basics of cricket. |
Posted By: scuudz
Date Posted: 25 September 2007 at 11:42pm
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YES!!!
WE ARE THE CHAMPIONS!!!
Congratulations to team INDIA. I couldn't have asked for a better end to this tournament. What a thriller!! Unfortunately, I could not watch it live and almost had a heart attack when Misbah hit a 6 in the final over. I was at work trying to refresh the ball by ball text commentary furiously.
The teams that played the best cricket got to the final and the best team in the tournament won the cup. The greatest part of this triumph is that every single member of the team (that I can think of) contributed in some way or another at a crucial stage in the tournament. This 'no fear' attitude that Dhoni has instilled in this young squad has brought about a significant change taking them from being an 'India A' side to world champions. Admittedly, I never thought he was the man for the job but he proved me wrong and how....
India has to now be careful as to how they approach their future. Planning is key. This is not the time to go overboard (I heard the vice-president of the BCCI was going to present Yuvraj with a Porsche 911, but it might be a prank). These youngsters that werent rated earlier, have now been exposed to a lot of different situations and come out on top. They need to be looked after well and developed so that when the 'big 3' retire, the transition is as seemless as possible.
As for Pakistan, they can hold their heads high. This year has been terrible for them on and off the field but theyve come back with a bang. They failed to keep their nerve in the latter stages of the final and it cost them the cup. Shoaib Malik led his troops admirably. However, he did manage to prove (to me atleast) how daft he is by 'thanking all the Muslims in the world' at the presentation. Pakistan played some great cricket in this tournament and deserved to be in the final.
Kudos to the organizing committee of the tournament. The matches were awesome, so was the atmosphere at all the stadiums.
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Posted By: BackFoot Master
Date Posted: 25 September 2007 at 11:54pm
I am not sure why but i really love these kind of post alot. Brillant mate.
Honestly Daisy, I am very proud of Afridi. Afterall daisy, afridi produce a superb innings with the bat and I couldn't of ask for anything better. ------------- August 16th 2009, my team Youth Combine was crowned CHAMPION once more |
Posted By: BackFoot Master
Date Posted: 25 September 2007 at 11:57pm
Kid, just accept the fact that India played very very very well and thats was the different, no younis or hafeez.
Why didn't yoy complain about this earlier in the tournament. ------------- August 16th 2009, my team Youth Combine was crowned CHAMPION once more |
Posted By: canadiancricket
Date Posted: 26 September 2007 at 7:06am
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I agree with scuudz. He (shoaib malik) should think before saying anything as there are many muslims in the indian team too. There are more muslims in india than in pakistan. that doesn't mean they are necessarily wanting pakistan to win instead of india. Nationality and religion are too separate things - he should understand that. anyways, a great performance by both countries and great captaincy by both the captains. |
Posted By: kahmad
Date Posted: 26 September 2007 at 12:04pm
You are right, India played very very well. I think they played best cricket in the History. But you have to accept that Pakistan also deserved to win this. It could have easily gone otherway, if Misbah had hold his coolnes to hit the half-volley straight.
In the End there is no place for IFs and excuses. India is World Champion and that is the fact.
For me Pakistan didn't get the Trophy but they proved that they are also the Champions. After a long time they played really good cricket.
Hopefully both countries can hold this standard and win more tournaments.
I didn't like also the Comments made by Malik in the end, but i am sure he didn't mean it. If you think a bit logical you can understand it. If he really wanted to thank all the muslims of the world, that means he wanted to thank also Irfan Pathan who took his wicket. I dont think he wanted to thank Irfan Pathan. He meant the Pakistanis and Muslims who specially prayd for them in the Ramadhan month.
Its too easy too critisize someone without seeing the situation.
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Posted By: green plane
Date Posted: 26 September 2007 at 4:42pm
I am not a man who can see future thats why I didn't complain about this earlier.after the match everyone analyze why pakistan lost and I already mentioned above that what is my opinion.
The other thing is that both teams were very very very good not only india, India win by just 5 runs.
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Posted By: green plane
Date Posted: 26 September 2007 at 7:26pm
I dont think Shoaib Malik said anything wrong, he was just thanking to all muslims. Actually u people didnot see a interview of him before the final match and in that context he was thanking to all muslims.
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Posted By: scuudz
Date Posted: 26 September 2007 at 9:50pm
Im not quite sure what you mean. How did
Pakistan deserve to win this? They werent the best team in the
final. Hence, they deserved to be 2nd best. They have
played superb cricket, no doubt, but to say they deserved to win it is
a touch unfair. Whether India win by 5 runs or 50 is
immaterial. They held their nerve, the batsmen didn't.
Simple.
It is easier to put
words in someone's mouth. I am just taking what he said at face
value and can conclude that he is daft. Im not sure why the
Pakistani cricketers have to 'flaunt' their religion like they
do. Malik's comment was absolutely ridiculous. There is no
point in speculating what he meant by 'thinking a bit logically'. ------------- |
Posted By: scuudz
Date Posted: 26 September 2007 at 10:03pm
Would you explain what on Earth do all the Muslims in the world have to do with the Pakistani cricket team?
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Posted By: EnglandFan
Date Posted: 26 September 2007 at 10:51pm
| I dont think india were the better team in the final. Pakistan were probably the better team throughout the match until the last few overs when they lost a few quick wickets, although how they recovered was pretty amazing, misbah looks like a very good player, hes run chasing has been timed perfectly, alsoconsidering they limited india below 160 fine bwoling from gul. However india held their nerves and came through with the win, very good captaincy by dhoni through out the tournament. 20/20 games can be changed in a matter of a few balls. |
Posted By: BackFoot Master
Date Posted: 26 September 2007 at 11:23pm
Crazy, just absolute crazy.
Hey mate, i know years ago it's your opinion because it's not facts.
It doesn't matter how it comes, as long as they win, thats what matters more than anything.
When Drogba scored a goal off his Knee against Arsenal, didn't every chelsea fan celebrate all night long.
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Posted By: canadiancricket
Date Posted: 27 September 2007 at 2:00am
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I won't get further into the controversy but I am just saying he could use the word people as there can be people from other religions too who might have wanted Pakistan to win. He should not have singled out one religion as a person living in Pakistan will want Pakistan to win and his religion wouldn't matter. I don't care about who was the better team as the match was so close neither team had the upper hand throughout the match, sometimes it was India other times it was Pakistan. What matters for both teams is to carry on their form. If they go on to play good matches on their respective tours, then only getting to final will mean something otherwise it will not count for anything. |
Posted By: Sledger
Date Posted: 27 September 2007 at 5:56am
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Whilst the religious discussion here hasn't gone overboard , I think it best if we stick to cricketing issues please fellas.
------------- Mental disintegration works for me !! |
Posted By: scuudz
Date Posted: 27 September 2007 at 1:34pm
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Fair enough. England Fan, Im not sure how you came to the conclusion that Pakistan was on top for most of the match. First, 157 was always going to be tricky to chase down in a final. In the Pakistan innings, India was in the driver's seat after Nazir's run out. They didn't pace their innings well (they werent allowed to do so due to some good bowling by Pathan and the others in the middle) and were left with too much to do in the last few overs. |
Posted By: kahmad
Date Posted: 27 September 2007 at 3:13pm
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i think this match was level before the last match was played. A six of 4 balls from Misbah was very much possible at that time. And a wicket for India in 4 balls too. I dont think it has to do something with the nerves. This stupid shot can also go for a 4 and everyone would praise it. I think in this moment it was a need of luck for both the teams.
You are right the turning point was the run out from Imran Nazir. But Pakistan was also in the game after the 5 down. India had to bowl very good to win this match. They werent on top of the game al the time.
It seemed on one stage that Pakistan didn't want to win it. The last shot is the example of it. They helped India to win. and India helped them to win too. i dont think 157 was a difficult task.
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Posted By: green plane
Date Posted: 27 September 2007 at 4:45pm
In his interview before world cup final he said many things and in this interview he also requested for prayers to all muslims in the world who are pakistani fans and he also said that we would try our 100 percent effort to win that match. as this is a holy month of Ramadan and muslims spends more time in prayers in this month. so in that context in his final interview he apologize that they not gave their 100 percent effort and he also thanks to all muslims who pray for their success throughout the tournament.
I hope it will clear ur mind about shoaib's statement.
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Posted By: scuudz
Date Posted: 27 September 2007 at 6:35pm
You can hope all you want but its not going to clear anything.
Im not sure which interview you watched AFTER the match but the one that I and a lot of other people saw was the one in which he said sorry but PROMISED that they DID give their 100%
If you want to discuss this further with the religion aspect involved, I suggest we do it via PM.
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Posted By: kamleshmistry
Date Posted: 27 September 2007 at 9:35pm
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I hope India stick with youth from now on. Its youths turn to continue in India cricketing future. Out with the old and in with the new. the youngers can do what the elder can not do any more, the basics of cricket. |
Posted By: BackFoot Master
Date Posted: 27 September 2007 at 9:40pm
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Oh okay, so you are hoping India chooses a bangladesh young squad instead of the big guns. Remember mate, young guns can do very well in 20/20 matches but 50/50 is much different and when the aussie - india series is completed, we will see how true that is. ------------- August 16th 2009, my team Youth Combine was crowned CHAMPION once more |
Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 27 September 2007 at 11:31pm
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Dead right! Trust me, Gambhir, Uthappa and co doesn't have the gut and quality of their trade to replace veterans especially Tendulkar and Dravid - two classy batsman!! Come on, it's two different versions! Uthappa style suits 2020 and 50 overs! ------------- In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage. |
Posted By: kamleshmistry
Date Posted: 27 September 2007 at 11:35pm
| well, the oldies don't do the basic right no more, hence they more likely to loose more matches then win. The twenty20 team are young, they can do the basics, but they also have experience since they not new to the international scene. This is a good foundation to start from, and I think they should be given a chance to develop as a team, without any pressure. Whether they win or not, but the best way to start is by doing the basics right. The rest will follow. Just go out and enjoy urself India and ull be fine!!! |
Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 27 September 2007 at 11:45pm
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Trust me, I don't think anyone on that selection panel is that nuts to leave out Sachin. Their house will be on fire as soon as the news has been released! ------------- In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage. |
Posted By: BackFoot Master
Date Posted: 28 September 2007 at 12:36am
Hey lad, you can post allday long and all night long about young doing the basic and old guys ain't doing their best anymore but you can change the fact that the old guys will take charge and the youngies will have to suck the bench. ------------- August 16th 2009, my team Youth Combine was crowned CHAMPION once more |
Posted By: The Tyke
Date Posted: 28 September 2007 at 1:50am
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I think that they have to pick the right players now. They need to blend the older players (Tendulkar, Dravid, Ganguly etc.) with the younger players. This will help develop the younger players phenomenally. ------------- Minn hugur er minn sverđ (My mind is my sword) |
Posted By: Sledger
Date Posted: 28 September 2007 at 6:46am
So do I scuudz , so do I. ------------- Mental disintegration works for me !! |
Posted By: kamleshmistry
Date Posted: 28 September 2007 at 7:59am
| i don't agree, like I said that the oldies not do basics right, so they more likely to lose more matches, Sathchin can run between wickets, but the rest of the oldies can't and that one of the fundamentals of cricket, if u cant score boundaries you have to run well between wickets. Losing matches is not good for youngsters. They need to start fresh and I think they will do fine. They all aq good bunch of lads, and need a chance and the Indian public need to stop putting pressure on them and let them play cricket. |
Posted By: Mojo
Date Posted: 28 September 2007 at 8:15am
Does anyone remember the SA vs Bangladesh game, where Bang came out all guns blazing, scoring at a rate of over 12 runs per over, but also losing at least 1 wicket per over? I'm sure you all would agree with me that Bangladesh were never in control there. It's the same with the India Pakistan final. The runs may have been similar, but the wickets tell a different story. ------------- Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here may not necessarily reflect the opinions of any other forum members. They are the express property of Mojo. |
Posted By: kahmad
Date Posted: 28 September 2007 at 9:23am
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i hope you dont want to compare Pakistan with Bangladesh :)
Mojo, i tell you one thing if Pakistan hadnt loose the wickets it would be a one sided match. It was an interesting and close match because they lost wickets regularly. You have seen it they were so near to victory. Bangladesh wasnt at all near the victory, that was one sided after the 10th over or so.
I dont want to mean that Pakistan was better. Its a fact that they didn't perform well on the day while India performed well and won it. Everyone have to accept that India was better in this match. Simply because they played in final like they played in whole tournament. Pakistan didn't played in the final as they played before in the tournament.
I think both side have to prove there form in the future.
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Posted By: 143no
Date Posted: 28 September 2007 at 9:29am
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I think you should all wait till proper cricket starts again, signs are ok, but don't forget these games are come and gone in a few hours, we need to wait for some extended cricket to see if the old kamakazi tendencies are still there. ------------- Monkey see, Monkey do. |
Posted By: shan
Date Posted: 28 September 2007 at 10:04am
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Yeah absolutely, only time will tell that. I liked the term Kamakaze you've used to describe the tendencies they've shown over the past as it perfectly fits into the context. It's a pefect description of a team who's been used to lose six out of ten wickets just because it's main batsmen can't help themselves trying to pull a short pitched deliveries for a boundary with a trap already set for them. And I am talking of test matches, not the limited over versions. Pefect! ------------- "Excellence is something we can reach for; perfection is God's business." |
Posted By: canadiancricket
Date Posted: 28 September 2007 at 5:48pm
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On kahmad statement that if pakistan didn't lose the wickets then that would be a close match. Well in that case even if bangladesh didn't lose wickets then also they would win the match and that is true for any team and same can be said for india that if they didn't lose their wickets then also it would be one sided match. But that doesn't matter as both teams' bowlers did well and earned their wickets. If, then statements are just if, then statements. The match is over and the big test for both teams will be on their upcoming tours. |
Posted By: Monty
Date Posted: 28 September 2007 at 6:11pm
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That shot off misbah was ythe stupidist thing i think anyone could do at a situation loike that ------------- Flavia et Cornelia sedebat sub arbore!!! Oh My goodness!! Sitting under a tree! |
Posted By: green plane
Date Posted: 28 September 2007 at 7:42pm
Sure, I also want to discuss this issue privately, I hope I will clear ur mind about this issue.
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Posted By: green plane
Date Posted: 28 September 2007 at 7:52pm
yeah I agree with u that he played bad shot, but man it is very easy to sit infront of TV and say that, imagine what was the situation there where a large number of crowd shouting, everyone watching you and importantly u r playing the world cup final against ur arch rival, so its not easy to control ur nerve at that moment.
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Posted By: BackFoot Master
Date Posted: 28 September 2007 at 10:58pm
I don't agree mate, they was simply outplayed by India. ------------- August 16th 2009, my team Youth Combine was crowned CHAMPION once more |
Posted By: daisy77
Date Posted: 30 September 2007 at 2:15pm
yes BFM I know why! ------------- |