Matt Prior
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Topic: Matt Prior
Posted By: Max Power
Subject: Matt Prior
Date Posted: 10 December 2007 at 2:51pm
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I know Proir has got some stick on here in the past, and believe me I'm not his biggest fan, but has he turned a corner in his last 2 innings or is this just a little run of luck? Aggers seems to think he has matured having not been given a central contract but instead something to think about. 2 good catches today and a vital stand to add to a pretty poor total. Is he the right man for the job or are we still looking to the wrong man for the future of English glove keeping? ------------- There's 2 ways of doing things - the right way, and the MAX POWER way! BT&OBCC |
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Posted By: Clobber
Date Posted: 10 December 2007 at 2:59pm
| I think it will take more than a couple of innings to restore his reputation - after all his dismissal in the first innings of the First Test suggests that some of his bad old habits with the bat aren't all that far away, but it frequently the case that if batting well his keeping will also come up a few notches too - the same was true of Geraint Jones (remember that blinding catch at Leeds the same day he made his maiden Test hundred?) |
Posted By: Max Power
Date Posted: 10 December 2007 at 4:04pm
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Absolutely Clobbs and I wasn't trying to suggest otherwise, but his last 2 scores are a world apart from his previous form of 30 runs in 5 innings. Its going to be a while yet before we see if he has turned a corner, I just wondered what anyone on here made of his current efforts. ------------- There's 2 ways of doing things - the right way, and the MAX POWER way! BT&OBCC |
Posted By: Clobber
Date Posted: 10 December 2007 at 4:53pm
| to see him properly grafting is very encouraging anyway |
Posted By: The Tyke
Date Posted: 10 December 2007 at 11:54pm
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I agree Clobs.
He dug in and played a gritty innings at times with Sidebottom at the other end, who's proving to be quite a useful tailender.
I was quite happy with his glovework, a couple of good catches from the bowling of Sidebottom.
And did I see him play the reverse sweep or was I having a flashback of Nixon playing it
 ??If I had to criticise him in some way I'd say that it would have been for taking the 2 which led to Harmison being on strike to Murali for his first ball. That's not easy for a top order batsman, let alone a tailender.
I hope that he has turned the corner, otherwise he may not be keeping the gloves for too long. ------------- Minn hugur er minn sverđ (My mind is my sword) |
Posted By: Kerm
Date Posted: 11 December 2007 at 12:06am
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It does appear that he has taken a step in the right direction, if he keeps getting 50s then well, he probably is what England need right now from a WK. Then there is just the matter of his wicketkeeping...
------------- Kerm |
Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 11 December 2007 at 2:07am
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Prior has always looked to me more than a capable batsman but it's his keeping that should be worried about. If he's gonna drop prize players everynow and then, his runs won't matter. Saying that though, I have hardly seen a ball bowl for their series so I don't know how his keeping is. Only if there wasn't something called school I could stay up over night and watch some action. ------------- In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage. |
Posted By: Niv!
Date Posted: 11 December 2007 at 2:33am
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at Nixon, I still remember in the world cup, he hit a reverse sweep for 6! I was in fits of laughter, funniest cricket I have seen for a while. As for prior, If he keeps it up, he could be a decent lower order batsman....IF. He certainly has shown character recently. |
Posted By: canadiancricket
Date Posted: 11 December 2007 at 2:52am
It would be more middle than lower order.  |
Posted By: canadiancricket
Date Posted: 11 December 2007 at 4:32am
| Okay what was that. Matt prior is certainly far from there and why did you have to write that huge. needless. |
Posted By: Max Power
Date Posted: 19 December 2007 at 9:54am
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I haven't seen it but TMS seems to think that he dropped a catch off Dilshan that should have been taken. Another costly one that. Not having a good day of it. ------------- There's 2 ways of doing things - the right way, and the MAX POWER way! BT&OBCC |
Posted By: Sledger
Date Posted: 19 December 2007 at 12:39pm
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Prior has the support of both Alex Stewart and Jack Russell -
that's quite a recommendation. His glovework is improving nicely
, even if he spilled one today (which I haven't seen). His batting is calmer , yet he still punishes the bad ball , especially through the off side. He's got to be given an extended run and I fully expect him to keep in all three tests in NZ. If he makes runs and keeps solidly , he'll see a lot of Steyn and company next year. ------------- Mental disintegration works for me !! |
Posted By: Max Power
Date Posted: 20 December 2007 at 2:51pm
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Well the TMS crew are split. Half of them feel he has had long enough to prove himself and others think he still needs time to settle. Apparently he has dropped 8 (yes 8!) catches off just Sidebottom's bowling in tests since his début. That's fairly impressive in itself. It doesn't help his cause that no one else in the team could catch a cold, let alone a cricket ball. If the rest of the team had of fielded better you might just be able to look past Prior's mishaps. I think he has to be given at least the NZ tour, as the SL one was his first away from home. If he is still struggling after that then other names are going to be thrown in the ring. One things for sure the English press are sure going to be hounding him. ------------- There's 2 ways of doing things - the right way, and the MAX POWER way! BT&OBCC |
Posted By: Sledger
Date Posted: 21 December 2007 at 7:03am
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Agreed Max , Prior must go to New Zealand. That he's dropped eight off Sidebottom suggests it's a technical failing , something accentuated by a left arm swing bowler. I'm no fundi on keeping , but I've heard plenty of comments that his feet don't move naturally towards the ball , but I'd have thought that Moores would've spotted that and been working him very hard. If he has a poor tour then the keeping problems revert to square one and we'll have the press clamouring for all the usual suspects. I hope he comes through as I see him moving up to number 6 and Freddie dropping to 7 by next summer. The South African tour will be tough and if England are to win he'll have to cut down on the costly drops (so will the others too!) ------------- Mental disintegration works for me !! |
Posted By: Clobber
Date Posted: 22 December 2007 at 10:30am
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I am starting to reach the conclusion that Prior bats his best when he is absolutely certain of what is required of him. We've seen it in Sri Lanka where he knew he had to defend and did so staunchly, and against the West Indies where he invariably batted with runs already on the board freeing him to play his shots. It's when he has to play a "proper" innings that he seems to flounder, unsure which approach he should take. |
Posted By: bondy
Date Posted: 23 December 2007 at 8:33am
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that's excellent analysis, maybe England ought to spend time with him working at his strategy toward batting.
------------- Good one Graham! |
Posted By: Max Power
Date Posted: 14 February 2008 at 4:44pm
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I was meaning to post back on this thread a while ago when the squads were announced. Does the fact that Prior has been left out of the NZ touring squad spell the end of his international career? Surely with 2 other keepers now in the limelight he is going to have to do something phenomenal in the county scene to get a recall. ------------- There's 2 ways of doing things - the right way, and the MAX POWER way! BT&OBCC |
Posted By: Clobber
Date Posted: 14 February 2008 at 4:50pm
| I wouldn't say it is the end as, among other things, I still can't see Mustard in the Test side, Ambrose remains untested and Foster has hardly scored a run for the Lions over in India |
Posted By: TCA123
Date Posted: 29 June 2008 at 1:08pm
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I personally am tired of this constant dismissal of Prior's keeping ability. Now don't get me wrong, it is clear he isn't the best wicketkeeper available. But he is in my view the best balance. He offers a player down at 5/6/7/8 wherever you stick him who can score a century. He looks the part.
Yes he's dropped catches. But so has Ambrose, so did Jones and Read and probably so will Mustard. Notably all but Jones failed to actually suceed with the bat at international level. Bring him back in for gods sake! ------------- Offspinner, Right Arm Bat |
Posted By: bladescape
Date Posted: 30 June 2008 at 5:33am
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I agree,of what I've seen of Matt Prior he is better than Ambrose so why is he not in the team?
Although Mustard could probably take the ODI gloves I think Prior should have the test gloves! |
Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 01 July 2008 at 12:38am
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In my opinion, it's very important to have your best KEEPER in your test side. One drop catch can cost you the match! I haven't seen all the english keeper so I can't comment on them although from what I've seen, I think Prior looks the best with the bat. ------------- In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage. |
Posted By: Sledger
Date Posted: 01 July 2008 at 10:04am
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Ambrose is being found out when batting. His one scoring shot is the
cut - stop that and the runs dry up. I was happy to see the back
of Prior , but it's vital that the keeper contributes down the
order. One thing's clear , Boucher will make some telling runs at
some stage during this test series - so must England's gloveman.
------------- Mental disintegration works for me !! |
Posted By: TCA123
Date Posted: 02 July 2008 at 6:49pm
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Definately Sledger. Times were changing, now they have actually changed. A sucessful test side now requries a wicket keeper capable of scoring runs. For me, a long term investment in prior has to be looked at. I just look at some players and see the international in them - Prior is one of them.
By no means is he perfect, nowhere near. But how can he be overlooked for either Ambrose or Mustard!? ------------- Offspinner, Right Arm Bat |
Posted By: Sledger
Date Posted: 03 July 2008 at 6:58am
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Next week's test is a big one for Ambrose. Firstly , he's
got to tighten up behind the stumps and then he's got to make some sort
of contribution with the bat. England's record at Lords is pretty
woeful , so if it goes true to form he'll get a real opportunity to
right his batting woes. He'd better not drop Kallis on nought either! ------------- Mental disintegration works for me !! |
Posted By: TCA123
Date Posted: 05 July 2008 at 3:36pm
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I'm just desperate for him to be back in the side because I feel he hasn't been given the long stint in the team which could see him cement that keeping position. ------------- Offspinner, Right Arm Bat |
Posted By: BruceDidgeridoo
Date Posted: 21 August 2008 at 12:06pm
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jeez the Poms have got problems behind the wicket
Ambrose was absolute trash in the Tests against SA, another of those Aussie rejects who crops up in the poms side
give Prior a shot or Foster, Foster might not be able to get any runs but at least he can keep unlike Ambrose who's garbo in both areas
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Posted By: Lisa Diane
Date Posted: 01 March 2011 at 12:45am
I also think so. ------------- |
Posted By: Sledger
Date Posted: 01 March 2011 at 6:16am
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Lisa , Clobber's comments that you've quoted are from December 2007 - they're hardly relevant now !
------------- Mental disintegration works for me !! |
Posted By: Sledger
Date Posted: 28 July 2011 at 8:08am
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Tis interesting reading through this thread. Max's concerns about Prior's inconsistency were valid in 2007 , but recent fine performances with both bat and gloves shows just how much he's come on. In 2007 he was way down the list of wicketkeeper/batsman - now I believe he's the finest. It shows just what with hard work one can achieve.
------------- Mental disintegration works for me !! |
Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 30 July 2011 at 4:31am
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His batting was never a problem really, always thought he had it in him but his keeper has definitely come on good. His next step, gotta learn to be able to bat in the shorter format. He has never convinced me in ODI's as yet. Still though, who cares, if I get to play at least one version of international cricket and do it very well, i'd take that anyday!! ------------- In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage. |