BCCI stiffs WADA
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Topic: BCCI stiffs WADA
Posted By: Sledger
Subject: BCCI stiffs WADA
Date Posted: 05 August 2009 at 6:44am
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The BCCI are at it again , along with their elitist players. Apparently their golden boys don't want any part of the World Anti Doping Agency's (WADA) Code concerning drug abuse in sport. They are particularly upset by the "whereabouts" clause - something that greats in other sports like Tiger Woods adopted without fuss. The clause simply requests sportsmen to notify WADA where they'll be for 1 hour everyday when not playing, so they can be reached. No , say the Indian players , we're not having that! The BCCI have caved in and a source to the BBC was quoted thus "There's little risk of drug taking in cricket as it's a skill sport . not a power event , so steroids aren't likely to figure." What utter tosh ! WADA are on record saying that steroid abuse is likely to occur when a sportsman wants - 1) a shortcut to fitness 2)increased stamina or 3) a rapid return from injury. All three come into the equation if a player is desparate to play in the T20 circus for instance. The Indian Sports Minister has urged the BCCI to comply , as have the Indian Olympic Association and some of their athletes. Unfortunately they caved in to the demands of the players and are preparing a proposal where all other cricket associations tear up their agreements to the WADA code and follow a "cricket only" drugs code. The all powerful ICC are fence sitting (again) and issued the usual pacifier along the lines of "we're working with all concerned to resolve this situation." I'm appalled and rather angry. Drug taking in the pursuit of excellence has been and still is a cancer in world sport and cricket is just as infected as , say , cycling. The ICC just has to crush the BCCI on this issue - if the BCCI don't comply , then India must be banned from the game until they do. Indians are a proud nation and their love of their cricket team is huge , but surely they won't accept that their players shouldn't follow all other world's sports and comply with the WADA Code. ------------- Mental disintegration works for me !! |
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Posted By: zuhair_abbasi
Date Posted: 05 August 2009 at 7:36am
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Sadly this isn't going to happen Sledge. THey will come up with a compromise package. They will surely remove the whereabouts clause. BCCI will never surrender to ICC. Rather they will convince other cricket nations as well. Money talks mate. ------------- |
Posted By: Sledger
Date Posted: 05 August 2009 at 7:43am
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WADA won't change their code mate , the "whereabouts" clause was included because of the number of times athletes have gone "missing" whilst recovering from injury. The Indians are out of kilter with the entire world's sporting bodies and must be brought into line. This is a real test for the ICC - they just have to sanction the Indians if they don't tow the line. ------------- Mental disintegration works for me !! |
Posted By: zuhair_abbasi
Date Posted: 05 August 2009 at 7:48am
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Why does the ICC have to be so apologetic to the BCCI and making efforts out of the way to convince them?
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Posted By: Sledger
Date Posted: 05 August 2009 at 8:10am
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I can't tell the two bodies apart mate! Too many of those administrators are wearing two hats.
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Posted By: Clobber
Date Posted: 05 August 2009 at 9:24am
| A cynic might wonder if the BCCI is trying to hide something |
Posted By: zuhair_abbasi
Date Posted: 05 August 2009 at 9:28am
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Has to be one of the women players
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Posted By: Sledger
Date Posted: 05 August 2009 at 9:32am
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Something stinks Clobs. If the players are squeaky clean , why all the hoohah about the "whereabouts" clause? There's a striking resemblance to the situation with the three Bath rugby players who screamed that their civil liberties were being crushed underfoot when they were asked to provide hair samples. They got their just desserts when they were banned for 9 months.
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Posted By: Clobber
Date Posted: 05 August 2009 at 10:17am
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Posted By: Colombo
Date Posted: 05 August 2009 at 10:32am
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The ICC need to be firm with the BCCI - even if that means banning players that will not sign up.
Have a listen to our discussion 'On this Day' at Cricket World Live -
http://apps.attainresponse.com/MediaF5/live.htm?id=31132 - http://apps.attainresponse.com/MediaF5/live.htm?id=31132
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Posted By: sam_ahmed
Date Posted: 05 August 2009 at 10:49am
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Yes, this is going on since quite some time now. It's in the news here most of the times. BCCI is so powerful that they can do whatever they want to do. In fact it's the BCCI that actually runs cricket these days, ICC is just a slave.
Ever owr own tennis players, Sania Mirza and Mahesh Bhupati have urged the BCCI to agree to the WADA code and that there is nothing wrong in there. ------------- God is a better planner... so whenever u'r plan fails, cheer up... God has a better plan for you! |
Posted By: zuhair_abbasi
Date Posted: 05 August 2009 at 11:09am
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Sadly this is not going to happen Sam. BCCI will demand a compromised package and ICC will do their best to keep them happy.
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Posted By: Colombo
Date Posted: 05 August 2009 at 12:48pm
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The ICC cannot afford double standards if it is going to be taken seriously by other sporting bodies, including the IOC, which will scupper any thoughts of cricket in the Olympics unless all cricket boards agree with WADA. Lets wait and see what teeth the ICC really have!
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Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 05 August 2009 at 1:03pm
Hmmmm, maybe they're hiding out for Yuvraj, he hits some really unbelieveable sixes. 
Anyhow, if you want to be part of something, you have to go by their rules, to bad for what you think is wrong in terms of privacy and whats not. ------------- Cricket - the greatest game of them all!! |
Posted By: Sledger
Date Posted: 05 August 2009 at 1:16pm
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Spot on Colombo , the ICC can't swim against the tide. This affair just might be the catalyst that brings credibility to the ICC. They have no choice , the BCCI must be reined in and made to conform to the WADA code. Simple choice too , work with WADA and the ICC or go find someone else to play with. ------------- Mental disintegration works for me !! |
Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 05 August 2009 at 1:22pm
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Sledge, you see now why I agree with the WICB for leaving out the players? You have to show them no mercy, they will continue to do things like this if you suck up to them and that's just what's going on with the BCCI and ICC. ------------- Cricket - the greatest game of them all!! |
Posted By: Sledger
Date Posted: 05 August 2009 at 1:28pm
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The Windies players aren't ducking drug testing SW , they're just greedy! The Indians are trying to manipulate a body whose sole purpose is to clean up sport and I find that arrogant and wrong. If the world's biggest sports comply , then cricket must as well. ------------- Mental disintegration works for me !! |
Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 05 August 2009 at 1:43pm
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My thing is, if you've got nothing to hide, why not comply? All they're doing is making things fishy as far as I'm concerned. ------------- Cricket - the greatest game of them all!! |
Posted By: dips_december
Date Posted: 05 August 2009 at 2:04pm
As far as I have heard the BCCI is concerned about the whereabouts clause because players like Dhoni and Sachin are right at the top of the terrorists' hit lists and they don't want to reveal where they are when they are not travelling on national duty.
That's exactly what I feel as well Sledge and I hope the ICC does not do anything to make the BCCI happy! |
Posted By: Colombo
Date Posted: 05 August 2009 at 2:30pm
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If terrorists want to get to players they will - that we have already witnessed this year - unfortunately. If the paparatzi can find players then terrorists sure can!
The BCCI have to wise up to their players now - otherwise, no one will conform and that would make world cricket a nonsense.
If Indian players do not wish to conform to WADA then they have to banned - simple
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Posted By: sam_ahmed
Date Posted: 05 August 2009 at 3:05pm
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first of all I don't think terrorists have got links with WADA so as to know everything that'll be revealed to WADA.
secondly more than Sachin and Dhoni, I see Yuvraj every day on news channels saying some thing or the other about this. I don't know whats there to hide, The manner in which Yuvi talks about privacy and given the fact that he has already had affairs with so many actresses, I always get a feeling that every day he is with some different lady and feels embarassed to reveal all this! ------------- God is a better planner... so whenever u'r plan fails, cheer up... God has a better plan for you! |
Posted By: MalhotraRaj84
Date Posted: 05 August 2009 at 3:07pm
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As usual I back BCCI , nothing unusual about it, but I see some valid points against whereabouts clause http://www.cricinfo.com/ci-icc/content/story/417304.html - http://www.cricinfo.com/ci-icc/content/story/417304.html
Do only cricketers have a problem with WADA's requirements?
This is not a cricket-specific issue. It is a concern for a number of other sports, particularly team sports such as football. FIFA, football's governing body, is still not completely WADA-compliant due to similar concerns. FIFA, in fact, has suggested that only players they deem as high-risk be included in the testing pool. Tennis stars such as Roger Federer and Rafael Nadal have also spoken out against the stringent WADA norms, especially the filing of whereabouts information in advance. and If I am right from what I have followed, the BCCI board has told that within 24 hrs palyers will be produced if WADA wants to test any player.
Now few of my points
- Are Olympic athletes expected to give 365 days in a year? I assume whenever there is a specific world meet/Olympic around that they need to furnish details.Do Athletes play around full year ? Is their schedule as strict as cricketers who are almost away from family about 9 months?
- Football and Tennis almost runs around the year , their players are having similar issues
- When cricket is played for 9 months (almost) test them during that time any number of times who is stopping WADA, if he is injured test them two three times.Any player can be easily tracked within 24 hrs [Infact within 24 hrs testing and reports and media sensationalism can also be done , it hell lot of time]
- I see that as impractical ask, you change plans send a SMS,struck in traffic jam send SMS,friends invite you for a party send SMS, think about young single ready to mingle players? What SMS will they send errrrrr...to WADA that...(my suggestion to WADA put some tracking device
 instead)Ok I will ask one simple question how many of us can tell in advance for next 3 months prescise to an HOUR that when will each one of us login to cricketworld and when we will log out.
------------- Rohit Sharma - What the world has seen is gear 1, gear speeds at 2,3,4,5 to be witnessed in IPL,T20I and ODI's.Gear speeds of 6,7,8,9 and 10 to be witnessed in Tests. |
Posted By: MalhotraRaj84
Date Posted: 05 August 2009 at 3:21pm
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Fundamental question , what if someone does not have plans about day after tommorow and further ... ------------- Rohit Sharma - What the world has seen is gear 1, gear speeds at 2,3,4,5 to be witnessed in IPL,T20I and ODI's.Gear speeds of 6,7,8,9 and 10 to be witnessed in Tests. |
Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 05 August 2009 at 3:44pm
Maybe you're on a different planet than I am but I know men ego grows from those kind of stuff.  ------------- Cricket - the greatest game of them all!! |
Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 05 August 2009 at 3:46pm
Hmmm, I see no problem with that. I don't know, maybe there are some substances that can be rided of in 24 hours. I didn't even know coffee can show up bad on your tests. Maybe it's all to just catch you unexpected so you won't know if to make a lil cheat here and there. I don't know.... ------------- Cricket - the greatest game of them all!! |
Posted By: MalhotraRaj84
Date Posted: 05 August 2009 at 3:54pm
 some characters are like the one's in American Pie film, sherminator or something, who just build wild false stories to grow the reputation. ------------- Rohit Sharma - What the world has seen is gear 1, gear speeds at 2,3,4,5 to be witnessed in IPL,T20I and ODI's.Gear speeds of 6,7,8,9 and 10 to be witnessed in Tests. |
Posted By: MalhotraRaj84
Date Posted: 05 August 2009 at 4:01pm
I don't think so there is such a anti substance to hide it,If players can have access to drugs then they would gallop the anti substance thing (if it is there)
24 hrs before, taking it in double dose. EDIT:Sorry got it wrong first time .. hmm that is one possible problem of 24 hrs clause. ------------- Rohit Sharma - What the world has seen is gear 1, gear speeds at 2,3,4,5 to be witnessed in IPL,T20I and ODI's.Gear speeds of 6,7,8,9 and 10 to be witnessed in Tests. |
Posted By: sam_ahmed
Date Posted: 05 August 2009 at 5:57pm
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This is what Yuvraj (once again!) has to say "The extensive travelling, Yuvraj said, gave India's cricketers too few days to spend at home each year. "After nine months of playing, we come home for just ten days," he said. "We don't want somebody to intrude upon our privacy for dope tests during that small period. We have put out our points in front of the BCCI and they will speak to the ICC."
Tell me where is your privacy breached here? He simply has to say "I'll be at my home from 11 00 to 12 00 Hrs. Thats it. They are asking for just one hour.
I don't think WADA is asking for details of one hour every day, 3 months in advance. Thats ridiculous and moreover not practicle.
Look, I don't want to criticise the players either, but when the entire world has got no problems, then why just Indian cricketers. They are already given much much much more importance than others. sportsmen of other sports are not even given 1/1000th of the importance as compared to cricketers. Had the hockey team raised this issue, it would have gone unnoticed and those poor players would have had to sign in the very next day. It's only because of the BCCI and the Godly status given to indian cricketers by crazy fans that today they have become an embarassment for the entire country. They say whatever they want to say and know it'll be done because they are "Indian cricketers" . No one is bigger than the game or the laws. such an attitude has to stop and I'm saying this in the best interests of the country and cricket in the country.
56% of the Indians on NDTV including the sports minister say that the players should abide by the WADA code. Still the BCCI and players want to show that they are bigger than every body. ------------- God is a better planner... so whenever u'r plan fails, cheer up... God has a better plan for you! |
Posted By: mystery
Date Posted: 05 August 2009 at 7:12pm
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Fans like Raj deserved the same as BCCI does untill they dont get what they deserve cricket will be dead. ------------- Rohit Sharma - What the world has seen is gear 1, gear speed 2,3,4,5,7,8,9 to be witnessed in IPL only. |
Posted By: MalhotraRaj84
Date Posted: 05 August 2009 at 7:20pm
, just hire paparazzi to give them location and do a random test anytime.Much more effective right.
------------- Rohit Sharma - What the world has seen is gear 1, gear speeds at 2,3,4,5 to be witnessed in IPL,T20I and ODI's.Gear speeds of 6,7,8,9 and 10 to be witnessed in Tests. |
Posted By: MalhotraRaj84
Date Posted: 05 August 2009 at 7:54pm
http://www.cricinfo.com/ci-icc/content/story/417949.html - http://www.cricinfo.com/ci-icc/content/story/417949.html
"We are sympathetic to what the BCCI are arguing but we are bound by our own national requirements: under Australian legislation, national sporting organizations are required to have a WADA compliant code," Peter Young, the Cricket Australia's spokesperson.
Well initially I had thought it was precise to every hour of a day(it used to be 24/7 now it has been removed..), anyway does not make much difference if it is 1 hour per day.When BCCI told it will get the player within 24 hrs then what's the issue with WADA. Anyway BCCI can get players faster than dumb WADA requirement.WADA asks for a time between 6 am to 11pm,
So a player can give like this...
Monday - 6am to 7am
-------39 hrs gap-----------
Tuesday- 10pm to 11pm
and continue the cycle two days.------------- Rohit Sharma - What the world has seen is gear 1, gear speeds at 2,3,4,5 to be witnessed in IPL,T20I and ODI's.Gear speeds of 6,7,8,9 and 10 to be witnessed in Tests. |
Posted By: zuhair_abbasi
Date Posted: 06 August 2009 at 5:13am
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Hey mate what is your designation in BCCI?Got to be in the marketing department ------------- |
Posted By: Sledger
Date Posted: 06 August 2009 at 6:01am
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Whilst I have some sympathy with the likes of Tendulkar and his right to privacy , he can't have it both ways! He chose to play cricket and reap the benefits from it and that compromised his private life. Tis no different to movie stars or sporting heroes from other games. He can afford the finest security available worldwide , so his chances of some mishap must be seriously diminished. Telling WADA where he might be for an hour on any particular day isn't going to endanger his life - he's not going to be sunning himself on the beach for that hour! I'm sorry , Indian players in particular are pampered beyond belief. They need to get real and understand they are no more important than any other top sportsman - if Tiger Woods complies with WADA requirements , then so should the Indian players. ------------- Mental disintegration works for me !! |
Posted By: zuhair_abbasi
Date Posted: 06 August 2009 at 6:13am
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Even when Roger Federer is a signatory despite his reservations, then certainly no sportsmen should be allowed to do away with that. You got to take it as a sport, just one hour of your three months should not be that much of a problem. ------------- |
Posted By: Sledger
Date Posted: 06 August 2009 at 6:25am
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That's right , it's not a major intrusion in their lives and as SW said , if they've nothing to hide they should be happy to comply.
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Posted By: Colombo
Date Posted: 06 August 2009 at 1:59pm
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ICC announces IRTP working group to seek resolution to BCCI ‘whereabouts’ concerns Group chaired by Tim Kerr QC, chairman of ICC Anti-Doping Panel, and also features ICC Chief Executive Haroon Lorgat, BCCI Hon. Secretary N Srinivasan, ICC Principal Advisor Inderjit Singh Bindra and ex-India captain Anil Kumble, who sits on WADA’s Athlete Committee Group will work to resolve the India players’ concerns and report back to the ICC Board at the earliest opportunity |
Posted By: Sledger
Date Posted: 06 August 2009 at 2:08pm
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No shortage of Indians in this working group then!
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Posted By: MalhotraRaj84
Date Posted: 06 August 2009 at 5:13pm
No mate I am not in BCCI,but I wish I was in such a prestigious organisation. ------------- Rohit Sharma - What the world has seen is gear 1, gear speeds at 2,3,4,5 to be witnessed in IPL,T20I and ODI's.Gear speeds of 6,7,8,9 and 10 to be witnessed in Tests. |
Posted By: Colombo
Date Posted: 06 August 2009 at 6:00pm
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Following the announcement of the IRTP working group, by the ICC, this issue is now seemingly going to run and run. The BCCI had a consultation period prior to signing the agreement and another year before it was going to be implemented on August 1st 2009 - plenty of time to consult with the Indian players - it is only after the deadline came and went that there seemed to be any issues aired by the players and the BCCI. Unless this is sorted out quickly other players in other countries will not agree to the WADA code either - leaving the whole ICC anti-doping policy in tatters.
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Posted By: MalhotraRaj84
Date Posted: 06 August 2009 at 6:29pm
Bad thing , but in our part of world it is normal, A bad bad attitude.It takes ages to start something or take action.It's changing though.
What I say is there has to be better way to deal with this off season dope testing rather than giving 1 hour slot "whereabouts" for 3 months in advance.
Three strikes and banned! I know some people who can never be punctual in their life always turing up late. Last thing we need is to see some great players like Symonds comming back and missing 3 strikes and get banned for punctuality in the name of doping - Courtesy "Whereabouts" impractical apporach.
Get this from me, earlier WADA asked 24X7 details, now it's 1 hr per day.It's on it's way to extinction.Some proper and practical way will be designed soon. ------------- Rohit Sharma - What the world has seen is gear 1, gear speeds at 2,3,4,5 to be witnessed in IPL,T20I and ODI's.Gear speeds of 6,7,8,9 and 10 to be witnessed in Tests. |
Posted By: zuhair_abbasi
Date Posted: 07 August 2009 at 6:04am
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Three Indians in the committee suggests the whereabouts clause is definitely going to be softened or sacrificed. ------------- |
Posted By: Sledger
Date Posted: 07 August 2009 at 6:36am
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I'm getting rather sick and tired of having to delete the childish repostes on the forum. If you've issues with an individual then make it via pm or report it to a moderator for assessment. It's the same individuals time and time again and you all know who you are. If I see anymore, the offender will be taking a holiday from the forum.
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Posted By: Sledger
Date Posted: 07 August 2009 at 6:40am
How do they expect to be taken seriously , when after a year the ICC heard nothing and then after the deadline the BCCI comes out of the woodwork? To be honest , if I was on the ICC executive I wouldn't negotiate at all , they failed to respond in time , so they could take their lumps. I've always been a stickler for schedules ! ------------- Mental disintegration works for me !! |
Posted By: zuhair_abbasi
Date Posted: 07 August 2009 at 7:29am
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YOu would never have been in ICC then Sledge. Those people suck
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Posted By: milkman
Date Posted: 08 August 2009 at 4:59am
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Cricket is a sport where it is quite possible to enhance your performance using drugs. It's not chess. If the Indian players don't want to sign, then they shouldn't have the right to play test cricket. ------------- Ideal cricketer: Bowl like Warne, bat like Tendulkar, field like Jonty!! |
Posted By: MalhotraRaj84
Date Posted: 08 August 2009 at 5:33am
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Not everyone who has signed it has signed it with a smile, so itl means WADA caluse is flawed.There has to be better ways to find whereabouts which WADA is incapable.WADA should consider that few player are not administratively organised,few have issues like security.
Good that BCCI is revolting a logical cause, ultimately they may have to sign it, but going down without a fight when you don't like something is like a coward. ------------- Rohit Sharma - What the world has seen is gear 1, gear speeds at 2,3,4,5 to be witnessed in IPL,T20I and ODI's.Gear speeds of 6,7,8,9 and 10 to be witnessed in Tests. |
Posted By: milkman
Date Posted: 08 August 2009 at 6:59am
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It's flawed because not everybody has signed it with a smile? That's ridiculous. Do you think Andrew Flintoff goes through hours of physio and medical work on his knee, which I must add is very painful because he enjoys it? Or because he gets a smile out of it? NO, he does so because he wants to represent his nation at test level. Signing this contract is no different.
------------- Ideal cricketer: Bowl like Warne, bat like Tendulkar, field like Jonty!! |
Posted By: MalhotraRaj84
Date Posted: 08 August 2009 at 7:44am
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Then why so many other sports players had voiced concerns over it ? They could have signed it at first go itslef without making any fuss.Why do you think Football players,Fedrer and Nadal and many others were not happy, but they eventually signed it.
Truth is if it was not flawed there wouldn't have been so much repulsion in first place.
So what if when you were in school , suddenly school enforces such a law.
Come three days late to school (or fail to do your homework) you will be failed for a year. Accept it for cause of puntuality or revolt it ?
No player is against WADA or dope testing , but their mode is hopless and wrong.They should come up with better technique to catch culprits rather then asking the players to be present at a specific location like some accused/culprits. ------------- Rohit Sharma - What the world has seen is gear 1, gear speeds at 2,3,4,5 to be witnessed in IPL,T20I and ODI's.Gear speeds of 6,7,8,9 and 10 to be witnessed in Tests. |
Posted By: sam_ahmed
Date Posted: 08 August 2009 at 8:11am
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some people don't want it is one thing, but for it to be fool proof and effective you need to folllow it's rules. otherwise what is the use. Based on your argument Raj. I;d say there are very few peope who are opposing it as compared to people who are not having any problems with it. even Saina Nehwal our badminton player has said that no player is above the game or laws. Had this been flawed no one would have ever signed it. do you think all tose football players, tennis players remaining 9 cricketing nations' players , etc etc are all fools? surely there must be something which makes this necessaryand hence players have agreed, WADA are not fools either to include clauses just for the sake of fun or anything. ------------- God is a better planner... so whenever u'r plan fails, cheer up... God has a better plan for you! |
Posted By: MalhotraRaj84
Date Posted: 08 August 2009 at 8:53am
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FIFA is not completley WADA compliant with regard to Whereabouts clause, they have asked not to include high profile players while include players who are vulnerable.Yes many have signed , but only after putting forward their concern and displeasure.
Regarding WADA whereabout clause, earlier WADA asked for 24X7 details whereabouts, now they have changed to 1 hr per day 30 day in advance.
http://www.wada-ama.org/rtecontent/document/qa_whereabouts_requirements_en.pdf - http://www.wada-ama.org/rtecontent/document/qa_whereabouts_requirements_en.pdf
[Page 2 of 3] The requirement for top-level athletes included in the registered testing pool of either their IF or NADO to specify 1 hour each day (between 6 a.m. and 11 p.m.) during which they can be located at a specified location for testing. These athletes do not have to identify the 60-minute time-slot at a home address, but they can if they wish to. Previously this was a 24/7 requirement. You know what before Copernicus displaced earth as center of the universe, everyone had opinon that Earth is the center of our universe.So it does not always mean that if everyone is agrees to something is correct.The question we need to ponder over it is Why it was reduced from 24X7 reqmt to 1 hr ? what made them to reduce it ? Was it impractical ? If so, is 1 hour per day for 3 months is also impractical in a long run?
I want Indian players to sign it , but I wish WADA comes with better technique to catch culprits rather than putting pressure on players regarding submission of their whereabouts in advance. ------------- Rohit Sharma - What the world has seen is gear 1, gear speeds at 2,3,4,5 to be witnessed in IPL,T20I and ODI's.Gear speeds of 6,7,8,9 and 10 to be witnessed in Tests. |
Posted By: MalhotraRaj84
Date Posted: 08 August 2009 at 9:03am
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In past so many countries have refused to tour some countries due to security (legitimate according to me), It was accepted. Then why single out India this time when BCCI has security concerns over whereabouts clause? No one asked then that teams not touring as per ICC Fixtures be banned or to remove rights to play and participate in world cricket. ------------- Rohit Sharma - What the world has seen is gear 1, gear speeds at 2,3,4,5 to be witnessed in IPL,T20I and ODI's.Gear speeds of 6,7,8,9 and 10 to be witnessed in Tests. |
Posted By: NZ_Fast
Date Posted: 08 August 2009 at 9:08am
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Since you seem to be putting so much thought into this. What ideas do you have to make the drug testing by WADA less invasive and more streamlined? |
Posted By: MalhotraRaj84
Date Posted: 08 August 2009 at 9:12am
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Don't player carry mobile phone everywhere ? Aren't there so many minute tracking devices which can fit in anywhere ? Paparazzi can find right , why can't WADA keep tracking a dope test target ?
EDIT: Give player an option either give whereabouts in advace or carry our trackign device , checkmate! ------------- Rohit Sharma - What the world has seen is gear 1, gear speeds at 2,3,4,5 to be witnessed in IPL,T20I and ODI's.Gear speeds of 6,7,8,9 and 10 to be witnessed in Tests. |
Posted By: zuhair_abbasi
Date Posted: 08 August 2009 at 11:26am
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Raj - you cannot compare those refusals based on security with this one. It is ridiculous.
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Posted By: milkman
Date Posted: 08 August 2009 at 11:37am
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Quite right Zuhair. I don't think players need to be tracked. What WADA needs to do is to conduct drug tests on a consistent basis, rather than try and follow the whereabouts of players. I mean, if a bloke has small traces of cocaine in his system and argues that he kissed his coke addicted girlfriend and that's how he got that coke in his system then I am sure that WADA could deduce that he doesn't have a drug problem if the levels are low. But those kind of excuses are going to keep popping up and WADA is obviously taking measures to stop cheats in world sports. BCCI must comply. ------------- Ideal cricketer: Bowl like Warne, bat like Tendulkar, field like Jonty!! |
Posted By: zuhair_abbasi
Date Posted: 08 August 2009 at 11:43am
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Looks less likely mate
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Posted By: milkman
Date Posted: 08 August 2009 at 11:48am
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I acknowledge that people make mistakes, but can still be genuinely good people. Sometimes they get messed up and become too focused on becoming the best and turn to performance enhancing drugs. Those people will be punished. However, there's sportsmen who continually abuse performance enhancing drugs and are gaining a serious advantage by taking such drugs. These people need to be removed from the sport and the BCCI need to know that there are going to be Indian players who will abuse drugs at some stage, and if they don't stamp these players out then they will be playing a team of cheaters.
------------- Ideal cricketer: Bowl like Warne, bat like Tendulkar, field like Jonty!! |
Posted By: MalhotraRaj84
Date Posted: 08 August 2009 at 11:50am
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Posted By: milkman
Date Posted: 08 August 2009 at 11:52am
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I agree that players should not be 'tracked' or have to give accounts on what they do on an hourly basis. However, the rest of the elite sportsmen in the world are willing to sign such contracts ... why should the Indians elevate themselves to god-like status on the issue?
------------- Ideal cricketer: Bowl like Warne, bat like Tendulkar, field like Jonty!! |
Posted By: MalhotraRaj84
Date Posted: 08 August 2009 at 11:53am
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By the way does anyone has list of cricketers from all countires who have abused drugs. I will be very much interested if someone puts it up here. ------------- Rohit Sharma - What the world has seen is gear 1, gear speeds at 2,3,4,5 to be witnessed in IPL,T20I and ODI's.Gear speeds of 6,7,8,9 and 10 to be witnessed in Tests. |
Posted By: milkman
Date Posted: 08 August 2009 at 11:57am
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The big one is obviously Warney, but he came out of it better and I think that mistake made him a better cricketer and perhaps a better person (who knows? ). Another one I can think of is Shaun Udal the England and Hampshire off break bowler. Otherwise, no one major cricketers pop up into my mind. ------------- Ideal cricketer: Bowl like Warne, bat like Tendulkar, field like Jonty!! |
Posted By: MalhotraRaj84
Date Posted: 08 August 2009 at 12:00pm
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The following 17 pages are in this category, out of 17 total. Ian Botham ------------- Rohit Sharma - What the world has seen is gear 1, gear speeds at 2,3,4,5 to be witnessed in IPL,T20I and ODI's.Gear speeds of 6,7,8,9 and 10 to be witnessed in Tests. |
Posted By: milkman
Date Posted: 08 August 2009 at 12:01pm
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Hahah how could I forget Asif and Shoaib!!??
------------- Ideal cricketer: Bowl like Warne, bat like Tendulkar, field like Jonty!! |
Posted By: milkman
Date Posted: 08 August 2009 at 12:04pm
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I think most of those other ones, from memory, were related to marijuana rather than performance enhancing drugs. Then again, cannabis is not something you can legally purchase in many nations (certainly not available legally in Aust, NZ, India, etc)
------------- Ideal cricketer: Bowl like Warne, bat like Tendulkar, field like Jonty!! |
Posted By: MalhotraRaj84
Date Posted: 08 August 2009 at 12:06pm
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Wish the producer and dealers of these substances are caught and landed on Mars. ------------- Rohit Sharma - What the world has seen is gear 1, gear speeds at 2,3,4,5 to be witnessed in IPL,T20I and ODI's.Gear speeds of 6,7,8,9 and 10 to be witnessed in Tests. |
Posted By: milkman
Date Posted: 08 August 2009 at 12:12pm
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Yer I hate drugs Malhorta, kills to many innocent individuals who get addicted to that rubbish. I'm 100% for a drug free game and a drug free world (illicit drugs, not medicinal).
------------- Ideal cricketer: Bowl like Warne, bat like Tendulkar, field like Jonty!! |
Posted By: zuhair_abbasi
Date Posted: 08 August 2009 at 12:20pm
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Great that you used that bracket Milks -
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Posted By: zuhair_abbasi
Date Posted: 04 September 2009 at 8:10am
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ICC seems to have surrendered to BCCI. They were initially saying that BCCI will have to conform to the existing rules no matter what otherwise they will face the music.But now the ICC will meet the WADA officials and demand what BCCI has asked them to. Puppets!! ------------- |
Posted By: sam_ahmed
Date Posted: 04 September 2009 at 11:19am
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Nothing new Zuhair! why are we even wasting time on this? ------------- God is a better planner... so whenever u'r plan fails, cheer up... God has a better plan for you! |
Posted By: milkman
Date Posted: 04 September 2009 at 1:06pm
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The ICC should change it's name so that its abbreviation becomes JOKE, or even better BCCI.
------------- Ideal cricketer: Bowl like Warne, bat like Tendulkar, field like Jonty!! |
Posted By: MalhotraRaj84
Date Posted: 19 September 2009 at 1:49pm
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http://www.cricinfo.com/india/content/current/story/425582.html
Indian govt backs WADA including controversial 'whereabouts' clause,while BCCI now has significant support from other ICC full members on this issue. ------------- Rohit Sharma - What the world has seen is gear 1, gear speeds at 2,3,4,5 to be witnessed in IPL,T20I and ODI's.Gear speeds of 6,7,8,9 and 10 to be witnessed in Tests. |