Corruption in cricket
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Topic: Corruption in cricket
Posted By: Max Power
Subject: Corruption in cricket
Date Posted: 15 December 2010 at 12:54pm
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So the ICC have today announced that they are considering the use of lie detectors to try and help in the fight against corruption in cricket. The recommendations will be considered by the board in February. Other suggestions include:
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Posted By: kirankri
Date Posted: 16 December 2010 at 9:35am
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If they decide to use the lie detectors, it would be a very good move. And they have to use it right away. |
Posted By: flipper
Date Posted: 16 December 2010 at 1:11pm
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, ICC to host the http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HQtj2xlJj4 - Jeremy Kyle show! ------------- Warwickshire County Cricket, Edgbaston Birmingham England. County Champions 2012 |
Posted By: zuhair_abbasi
Date Posted: 18 December 2010 at 6:09am
| Lie detectors pretty much suck. |
Posted By: Sledger
Date Posted: 02 February 2011 at 6:01am
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The findings about the three Pakistani bowlers will be released next week. All sympathy for the youngster Amir , from my side has disappeared as he was photographed on the first day of the tribunal in jeans and a T shirt which depicted a marijuana leaf and the slogan "legalise it" emblazoned on it. He's not the sharpest knife in the drawer is he........... ------------- Mental disintegration works for me !! |
Posted By: zuhair_abbasi
Date Posted: 02 February 2011 at 7:08am
| Not at all Sledge - he definitely has a very low IQ. Don't think he knows much about the leaf or the meaning of whatever was written on his shirt though. The D-day is fast approaching - from what I hear from the local media is that Amir may get a 2 year ban, Asif 5 year and Butt 10 years. Just hope that justice is done - no matter what happens. |
Posted By: Sledger
Date Posted: 02 February 2011 at 9:00am
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Not what I've read mate ! Life bans for Asif and Butt and 5 years for Amir. We'll know by the end of next week.
------------- Mental disintegration works for me !! |
Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 02 February 2011 at 12:33pm
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Amir certainly not the brightest in the book if he did that indeed! ------------- In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage. |
Posted By: zuhair_abbasi
Date Posted: 02 February 2011 at 1:14pm
| He certainly did do that Spinny. But I dont blame him much n this case - he for sure is illiterate. |
Posted By: sam_ahmed
Date Posted: 02 February 2011 at 5:44pm
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I just hope there are no life bans but any ban on Asif and Butt will end their careers so it doesn't matter really. Aamer may re start his career after 4-5 years. They will appeal in the CAS though. ------------- God is a better planner... so whenever u'r plan fails, cheer up... God has a better plan for you! |
Posted By: sam_ahmed
Date Posted: 03 February 2011 at 2:36am
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These days I often visit pakpassion, although I never post there. The PAK fas have mixed reactions on this entire episode i feel, which really is sad because these three were perhaps the best three players that PAK had to offer, certainly Asif and Aamer were, and Butt for sure was a terrific leader, someone who could have done wonders for team PAK in the long run.
I'll be in tears this saturday if these three are banned, it is difficult to face this just before the WC. I wonder what PAK players will go though with just 2 weeks to go for the WC. This can have a major impact on the morale of the team as well. ------------- God is a better planner... so whenever u'r plan fails, cheer up... God has a better plan for you! |
Posted By: zuhair_abbasi
Date Posted: 03 February 2011 at 5:30am
| I certainly wont be in tears if they are found guilty. You dont cry for cheaters - do you? As much as I want Amir back, I want justice done - no matter what it takes, it should be fair and square. Bring on the 5th Feb. |
Posted By: Sledger
Date Posted: 03 February 2011 at 10:07am
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Well said zuhair , the guilty shouldn't expect any sympathy.
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Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 03 February 2011 at 2:02pm
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Sam, there's no need to cry, it's just a sport, as with everything, life goes on!! ------------- In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage. |
Posted By: sam_ahmed
Date Posted: 03 February 2011 at 3:32pm
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Their careers are on the line spinny, wheather they have done it or not, I'll be shattered if they can't play cricket again. Had it been anyone I'd have still felt bad, be it any country any player... and these three were the ones I loved most. ------------- God is a better planner... so whenever u'r plan fails, cheer up... God has a better plan for you! |
Posted By: Amal
Date Posted: 04 February 2011 at 4:45am
If these players had not done all this mess we would probably be one of the favorites for this World cup 
Yup, there is no need to cry for these cheaters but I'll cry for Aamer and i will not be able to stop my tears. I hope that this frail team produce some good results for WC. ------------- Cricket for peace! |
Posted By: Clobber
Date Posted: 04 February 2011 at 11:33am
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Aside from the ICC verdict, the UK Crown Prosecution Service has announced that all 3 players are going to be prosecuted for "conspiracy to obtain and accept corrupt payments, and conspiracy to cheat".
Given how long this has been coming, you have to assume the CPS is pretty sure of its case.
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Posted By: Sledger
Date Posted: 04 February 2011 at 12:02pm
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Yes Clobs , they must fear the worst tomorrow.
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Posted By: zuhair_abbasi
Date Posted: 04 February 2011 at 12:27pm
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To me, it is the ICC's decision that counts the most - anything that follows, I would not be interested if they are found guilty of wrongdoings.
A news channel here claims to have the copy of verdict which shows Butt baned for life, Asif for 10 years and Amir for five. Pretty much curtains for all of them if thats true. |
Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 04 February 2011 at 12:44pm
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If Amir has 5, he still have donkey years ahead of him but being out of Cricket that long professionally might make him lose a good bit of touch so maybe you have a point. He's got plenty natural talent so at least if he loses touch, he won't lose it so much like we ordinary guys. ------------- In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage. |
Posted By: flipper
Date Posted: 04 February 2011 at 5:05pm
I guess they didn't believe the story about having money for a sisters wedding? Scotland Yard doesn't charge somebody if they don't have proof that they have done it. A CPS charge is a massive hint that the evidence against them is solid. Jail sentences cannot be discounted here, I wonder if Amir will wear a marijuana shirt to court?  Obtaining and accepting corrupt payments is an offence contrary to section 1 of the Prevention of Corruption Act 1906. It carries a maximum sentence of seven years’ imprisonment and/or an unlimited fine at the Crown Court. Cheating is an offence contrary to section 42 of the Gambling Act 2005. It carries a maximum sentence of two years’ imprisonment and/or an unlimited fine at the Crown Court. ------------- Warwickshire County Cricket, Edgbaston Birmingham England. County Champions 2012 |
Posted By: sam_ahmed
Date Posted: 04 February 2011 at 5:25pm
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These guys are in deep ****, deep deep ****!
one point I'd like to make, how good is the ICC or member countries system of educating players about the concequences of corruption or violating the anti corruption code?
I'm saying this because this is very important, someone like Aamer must have been 8-9 years old when the Hansie Cronje episode broke out, he is mostly an illiterate and hasn't been around for long either to know much about the anti corruption code and all that. I wonder if he was aware of the seriousness of the crime that he was committing. This further degrades the role of a well educated and experienced Salman Butt because he has literally dragged a young kid into **** and has ruined his career.
Aamer deserves some sympathy, and if the education system is not proper then the ICC and the PCB are also responsible to some extent for this mess. After all the ICC will hate to see a talent like Aamer or Asif go out and never play again, so there has to be a very thorough education / information programme, esp for Pakistani cricketers because most of them are not properly educated and come from poor backgrounds. ------------- God is a better planner... so whenever u'r plan fails, cheer up... God has a better plan for you! |
Posted By: flipper
Date Posted: 04 February 2011 at 6:00pm
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I agree sam, they are up to their necks in it. Sorry but I must disagree with the rest of your post sam. Why should someone be literate to understand the difference between right and wrong / good or bad? ------------- Warwickshire County Cricket, Edgbaston Birmingham England. County Champions 2012 |
Posted By: flipper
Date Posted: 04 February 2011 at 7:12pm
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The three Pakistan cricketers charged with corruption offences – Salman Butt, Mohammad Asif and Mohammad Amir – are considering asking an independent tribunal to delay its verdict on accusations of spot-fixing brought by the ICC. Sources have indicated that lawyers for the players are considering their options in Doha this afternoon and may make an application to adjourn to Beloff before he delivers the tribunal verdict. The ICC has indicated today that Beloff intends to proceed with the hearing as planned,
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but he will be required to consider any application from the players’ defence teams.Posted By: MalhotraRaj84
Date Posted: 04 February 2011 at 7:24pm
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1. Amal, Yes it is bad that such incident happened, but Asif has been for long time, Aamir almost played for 1 year . Pakistan was never a world beater when they were there, How could they be fav's if all this mess had not happened?
2. Aamir was good, Asif good in helpul conditions. If you say Best available/Great bowler - plain NO , they were just good , easily replaceable.
3. Aamir played one year, what happened to Ajanta mendis after 1st successful year , what happened to Tait ... there are lot of youngsters who come with bang only to lose rythem in few seasons time.Aamir can come back as he will be about 25-27 y.o (I think he is already 21/22, not sure if he is 18/19 ). If they have realised their mistakes, then I will be happy to see them make a comeback for serving the term.Didn't Shane Warne come back ?
4. I wonder if they had accepted the truth , would the quantum of punishment would be less ?
I feel bad for them,wish this had not happened at all. Everyone makes mistakes, to err is human, but there are some mistakes whose punishments are severe and unfortunately this is a serious one.Cricket has to see this day.
It's not about Pakistan, this is about Cricket. Any player getting banned from any country is indeed a disturbing thing, but then this is how the game has to be cleaned.
I just hope they realise their wrong doings, may god give them courage to face and relive a good life in whatever future plans they have.
Indeed this a sad day... the 5th of Feb. ------------- Race to No 1 again ... started! |
Posted By: sam_ahmed
Date Posted: 04 February 2011 at 7:28pm
I agree. He would know what he was doing is wrong, but did he realize how serious a crime that was? did he realize that his career could be over? That is what my point is flipper. ------------- God is a better planner... so whenever u'r plan fails, cheer up... God has a better plan for you! |
Posted By: sam_ahmed
Date Posted: 05 February 2011 at 9:51am
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Hearing at Doha in underwat, Aamer's lawyer says he is "surprised" at the timing of the CPS announcement of charging the players. ------------- God is a better planner... so whenever u'r plan fails, cheer up... God has a better plan for you! |
Posted By: Amal
Date Posted: 05 February 2011 at 10:09am
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No Raj Mendis performances are going down with every match like our openers but Aamer's performance was improving with every match. He was an ordinary bowler at the start but he was improving continuously. This is what i think, maybe you think other way.
Anyway whatever is going to happen with these guys, it will be good for Pakistani cricket. Atleast every player will now think 100 times before doing any mess like this and we will be able to watch clean cricket. But i am crying  These stupid guys have ruined their own career. Iam feeling for them------------- Cricket for peace! |
Posted By: sam_ahmed
Date Posted: 05 February 2011 at 10:15am
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Good Point on Aamer and Mendis Amal, but no point in explaining to Raj, acoording to him no pakistani can ever be a good cricketer!
Anyways, rumours are that the veridict may be postponed until after the CPS investications / case. (how long could it possibly take? 1 year or very long 5-6 years???)
This is now getting interesting. ------------- God is a better planner... so whenever u'r plan fails, cheer up... God has a better plan for you! |
Posted By: Amal
Date Posted: 05 February 2011 at 10:34am
Hehe so it means that I'm developing an ability to talk on cricket with time  ------------- Cricket for peace! |
Posted By: MalhotraRaj84
Date Posted: 05 February 2011 at 12:14pm
I never said that Aamer is bad cricketer, I said he was good cricketer. The way you guys are making it as if he was some super exceptional talent that world has seen in ages.You guys keep saying that it is a big loss. I said he is good bowler, that's it nothing more than that, he was miles away being one of the best bowler as of now.
Look what happened to Umer Akmal , you guys made him Legend.He is still a good player. I am sure he will come good , he will have his good run of years, similarly he will have bad run just like other batsmans.
God forbid, but if Umer Akmal would have been involved and barred from playing (just like the three), then you would have told the same thing about Umer Akmal now. ------------- Race to No 1 again ... started! |
Posted By: MalhotraRaj84
Date Posted: 05 February 2011 at 12:31pm
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Ok , I think some statistics will give a reality check
In Tests (mind you Amir played 11 matches of 14 in NZ and ENG )
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/290948.html?class=1;template=results;type=bowling;view=innings - http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/290948.html?class=1;template=results;type=bowling;view=innings
Summary of Tests
14 matches, 51 wickets , Avg - 29 , ECO - 3.1, Strike Rate - 56.2
Now lets come to ODIs (10 matches in Sub-Continent )
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/290948.html?class=2;template=results;type=bowling;view=innings - http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/290948.html?class=2;template=results;type=bowling;view=innings
Summary of ODIs
15 matches, 25 wickets , Avg - 24 , ECO - 4.56, Strike Rate - 31.5
Where is greatness here ? That is the reason I said he was good, and nowhere near great. ------------- Race to No 1 again ... started! |
Posted By: Clobber
Date Posted: 05 February 2011 at 3:11pm
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10 years for Butt, 7 for Asif with 2 of those suspended, 5 years for Amir. We are now awaiting the reasoning behind these verdicts. |
Posted By: sam_ahmed
Date Posted: 05 February 2011 at 3:19pm
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There was some wrong doing, two players have got their careers ended and one will have to wait for a really long time to make a comeback. Given his talent and young age, Aamer should take it as a challenge and come out clean witha fresh start, The world will at least not miss out on the talent that he has. Many cricketers have started their career at the age of 30 and have still amde it big, Aamer will only be 23 when he will be eligible, perhaps a year at the domestic level, Aamer should be redy by 24 - 25 and still have 10-12 years of cricket in him. He should learn from this and come back strong. I hope and pray for him.
At the moment I won't comment on Butt and Asif, if they have done something so terribly wrong then well, they have to face the music, although I think the bans are a bit too harsh because although not LIFE bans they are equivalent to life bans. Some reduction should be done in the number of years. ------------- God is a better planner... so whenever u'r plan fails, cheer up... God has a better plan for you! |
Posted By: sam_ahmed
Date Posted: 05 February 2011 at 3:25pm
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Any idea about the difference between bans and suspensions? ------------- God is a better planner... so whenever u'r plan fails, cheer up... God has a better plan for you! |
Posted By: Clobber
Date Posted: 05 February 2011 at 3:27pm
| Still waiting for the reasons to be put up somewhere. |
Posted By: Clobber
Date Posted: 05 February 2011 at 3:37pm
| Looks like Butt has got 5 years suspended out of his 10, so nowhere near as bad as it first looked if that is indeed the case. |
Posted By: sam_ahmed
Date Posted: 05 February 2011 at 3:42pm
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yes clobs, actually in reality the ICC has been lenient on Butt and Asif while Aamer has suffered significantly.
Effectively it is a 5 year ban for all, and if Butt and Asif go through a certain rehabilitation process the remaining period or punishment will be terminated.
This means after 5 years Butt will be 31, Asif 33 and Aamer 23... I still can't see the PCB picking Butt and Asif as by that time they will be forgotten, but yes they may play some domestic cricket and earn some money for the rest of their career.
I can't believe how Aamer can get the same punishment as Asif n Butt. This is unfair. ------------- God is a better planner... so whenever u'r plan fails, cheer up... God has a better plan for you! |
Posted By: flipper
Date Posted: 05 February 2011 at 4:09pm
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Disgusted. White wash, call it what you will. Knew the icc would get it wrong. Lets hope they all get sent down because serious cheating is only worth five years, So the lesson for young cricketers is to cheat very early on in your careers and {if} caught you can come back latter and make up your money the hard way. ------------- Warwickshire County Cricket, Edgbaston Birmingham England. County Champions 2012 |
Posted By: flipper
Date Posted: 05 February 2011 at 4:20pm
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The world will at least not miss out on the talent that he has. If this was a cricketer from my country I would never want to see him wear the shirt of my country ever again. ------------- Warwickshire County Cricket, Edgbaston Birmingham England. County Champions 2012 |
Posted By: abubakar52
Date Posted: 05 February 2011 at 7:58pm
What you about Raj? Please tell me who called Umar Akmal a legend? Think you should read your signature before speaking of players being overrated. Anyways I agree about Aamer we cant say that with him Pakistan would have been favourites. About the verdict, good to see the punishments. Hope Butt and Asif atleast dont wear the green again.. |
Posted By: Clobber
Date Posted: 05 February 2011 at 9:22pm
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I have to say that now we know they are guilty, I am disappointed that they haven't been given life bans. None of the three of them should ever be allowed near the sport again, and the thought of seeing them in international cricket in the future sticks in the craw. I also have to say that I absolutely do not, and never have, bought into the whole "poor Amir, he's only young, he's illiterate, he's unwordly" crap that I have seen peddled. Exactly the same was said about Asif when he was caught taking performance enhancing drugs, and instead showing any hint of remorse, he's just lurched from one scandal to the next. In a decent world, the PCB would ensure none of them were ever selected again even after the bans pass, but sadly we all know the reality. |
Posted By: flipper
Date Posted: 05 February 2011 at 9:42pm
Bang on the money Clobber. Then again did you really think for one minute that the icc would get this decision right?
What's going to be really interesting is whether they honour their pledge to come back to England to stand trial or not? Only honourable men honour what they say. These three individuals are as far from this as could be. (FACT)  ------------- Warwickshire County Cricket, Edgbaston Birmingham England. County Champions 2012 |
Posted By: abubakar52
Date Posted: 05 February 2011 at 10:13pm
| Any cricket fan-- scratch that human being in their senses, would not support this, proven criminals. I am with Aamer though, after he serves his time, I will be more then happy too see him bowling for Pakistan again. |
Posted By: sam_ahmed
Date Posted: 06 February 2011 at 9:38am
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Let us respect the judgement atleast? Thankfully it doesn't matter what you all think, if the world can accept Gibbs and Warne back after they have properly served the punishment then they should accept Aamer back too. As simple as that.
Aamer in fact has been unfortunate because the tribunal has recommended to the ICC that the minimum punishment should be made more flexible for some extraordinary circumstances. Aamer will appeak in the CAS for reduction in the ban and it is possible that we may see him earlier than another 4 1/2 years. God willing. ------------- God is a better planner... so whenever u'r plan fails, cheer up... God has a better plan for you! |
Posted By: MalhotraRaj84
Date Posted: 06 February 2011 at 10:49am
On the other thing regarding my signature w.r.t Rohit Sharma, I have clearly said " What the world has seen is Gear 1" , that means he has not fired yet as per his potential. Any mistakes there abu ? ------------- Race to No 1 again ... started! |
Posted By: MalhotraRaj84
Date Posted: 06 February 2011 at 11:12am
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Sam is already started counting end of ban date, "4.5 years". Is it 5 years from now or from June '10. I don't think it matters , unless there is a real dearth of any good bowling options in PAK (which is a rare case). After the ban period , he might have to prove himself first,his commitment domestic circuit. Easily it might take 6 years from now. Anyway in my opinion Amir is lucky to get just 5 years (7/10 years or even life ban was a possibility). Hope he realises his mistakes and comes back as a reformed individual. ------------- Race to No 1 again ... started! |
Posted By: flipper
Date Posted: 06 February 2011 at 2:08pm
I for one would never want to see this Low life cheating scumbag in international cricket again. He is an utter disgrace to his nation, its population, his family and every cricket loving fan around the world. I suppose it all comes down to a question of standards and honour, personally I set mine rather high, and cheating for me is the lowest of the low. ------------- Warwickshire County Cricket, Edgbaston Birmingham England. County Champions 2012 |
Posted By: MalhotraRaj84
Date Posted: 06 February 2011 at 6:01pm
But then law is there , justice consider to err is human and for a reason it gives a people who commit mistakes a second chance.
I never said that I am looking for him to come back , If at all PCB selects him, I hope he should have learnt his lesson by then atleast. ------------- Race to No 1 again ... started! |
Posted By: 1Daz
Date Posted: 06 February 2011 at 11:10pm
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I would like to know what has happened to the bookmakers that approached these players. hopefully they got decent jail sentences! These bans may seem harsh but they are needed. It must be known to all international cricket players that if you cheat and you are caught you will be banned for life!
I remember hearing a pakistani player say(cant remember who) that he had to cheat as the bookmakers had threatened to kill him and his family if he did not participate in what they were doing/cheating. I just hope nothing like that happened with the players who have just been banned cos who wouldnt do all they could to protect their family. ------------- Some people are only alive because it is illegal to kill them! |
Posted By: Sledger
Date Posted: 07 February 2011 at 5:28am
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I'm with Clobber and Flipper here , the ICC has gone soft. Giving suspended sentences to Butt and Asif sends out the wrong message - how can they transgress in the next 5 years if they're not allowed to play ? I suppose I'll have to find some consolation in that they were found guilty , but if they hadn't been then the ICC's already tarnished image would have been sunk without a trace. There's the possibility of an appeal - one of their lawyers said as much. If that's correct and they're hardfaced enough to carry it through I think the suspended sentences should be lifted and tagged onto the exisitng 5 years ! If Aamer appeals I'd double his sentence as well! I also suspect that they might not feel too thrilled about returning to England to stand trial even though they all promised to do so - we'll soon discover exactly what type of people we're dealing with here. ------------- Mental disintegration works for me !! |
Posted By: zuhair_abbasi
Date Posted: 07 February 2011 at 5:54am
| I respect the judgement - obviously some will call it soft and some hard - but the verdict has to be respected in the fullest sense and not just the part that one likes. And Sledge, you don't get your punishment more sever if you appeal against it - accepting a judgement is something else and accepting to be guilty oneself is entirely another. These players have all the right to appeal and if they fail again - bad for them. It is their bread and butter - let them try - if they are guilty, which going by the ICC verdict seems they are, they will gain nothing out of the appeal but embarrassment and lose whatever support they have as of now. So, I just do not understand why should they not go for appeal. Personally, I accept the verdict - and as much as I said I would not feel for any of these if they are found guilty - I did go inn a depressing mood watching Amir cry after the judgement. This is not to say he never committed the crime - but the sight was heartbreaking for me - and don't forget I am a Pakistan fan too. |
Posted By: Sledger
Date Posted: 07 February 2011 at 7:11am
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I fully understand how tough this must be for you as a Pakistani cricket fan mate , there must be a mixture of anger and sadness. If there is to be an appeal it looks like it'll be against the sentence. If that's to be reduced them I expect they'd have to admit guilt and that hasn't been forthcoming. For credibility within the cricket establishment it's vital now that the PCB respect the verdict and alienate themselves from these players. Any show of support would not be taken very well and their standing would be more diminished than it already is. ------------- Mental disintegration works for me !! |
Posted By: zuhair_abbasi
Date Posted: 07 February 2011 at 7:24am
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From what I have read and seen, the appeal would be against the sentence and not to reduce it because these players still think they never put a foot wrong - my point is that they should have the chance to appeal and obviously the judging body will be provided all the proofs that the ICC has, so let's just see how it turns out. For the moment though, these players stand cheats in my book.
And PCB has already distanced itself from the issue saying it would not launch any appeal of any sort. So you get your wish mate. |
Posted By: Sledger
Date Posted: 07 February 2011 at 8:40am
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Glad to hear the PCB have taken that decision , they had to get one right sometime !
------------- Mental disintegration works for me !! |
Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 07 February 2011 at 12:34pm
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Don't forget the PCB do turn around their decisions.
And my stance is a bit different than everyone's here. I always believe in giving people another chance (they didn't commit murder). I'm sure if one of us stole from a former company we worked for and then gave up on doing it and never got a chance for another good job because of that, would feel very hard done even though you know you're not the same again?
I could agree with Asif getting a life ban, because he hasn't learned one thing since his first controversy. Amir punishment I can live with. Probably Butt's first controversy too but as captain, he should get more than Amir.
I guess i'm too soft hearted towards people! ------------- In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage. |
Posted By: zuhair_abbasi
Date Posted: 07 February 2011 at 1:15pm
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rL_w-7F__QA
Sorry folks as it is only for the friends who can understand Urdu or Hindi - its Amir's interview after the verdict. |
Posted By: sam_ahmed
Date Posted: 07 February 2011 at 3:19pm
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Another very good post by spinny, people here speak as if they are angels.
The ban will be 5 years from 2nd September 2010, not sure why Raj is talking about June here, nothing happened in June. I do hope Aamer comes back, he has to. I can't see Butt coming back but I hope he atleast gets to play at the domestic level and Asif, well the best he can hope for is to play domestics. This is not the first time that Asif has done something wrong, so can't feel too much for him really. what a talent he was and how has he wasted it!!!
Having supported these players, I have a few concerns as well, I accept that they are guilty and that means the Majher Majeed video was true. Then going by the allegations of Mazher there seems to be a lot more to this "fixing" scandal than just the Lords test. if that video was correct then surely some wrong doings were going on since quite some time although no one might have a proof for that.
------------- God is a better planner... so whenever u'r plan fails, cheer up... God has a better plan for you! |
Posted By: Amal
Date Posted: 08 February 2011 at 4:12am
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I'm satisfied with the judgement. Yeah Spinny if a criminal has the right to live a normal life after finishing his imprisonment so, why can't Amir play cricket again? Bcz cricket is his normal life. It was his first mistake and he was caught(thanks God)and now he has to bear a 5 years of ban and i think its enough punishment for him as a Human. I hope that he will learn a good lesson from it. But i don't want to see Salman and Asif in cricket. We have already given much chances to Asif, enough is enough now. We can go forward without him and Salman was the ringleader in all this mess thats why i don't want to see him.
Whatever but Iam feeling Amir's pain. I was watching his interview on a T.V. channel and he was like a boy lamenting about his mistakes. I am young and i can feel that when you have to go through all this mess in such a young age its like a continuous mental torture which he has to go through for 5 years. For 1 thing i will never forgive Amir and that he hurt his parents. I watched his mother's interview on tv and she was continuously weeping. ------------- Cricket for peace! |
Posted By: Sledger
Date Posted: 08 February 2011 at 6:26am
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Today was the day when the document explaining the convictions was to enter the public domain. The ICC , to their credit , wanted this to happen , but it's unlikely now because of the CPS charges against the three players. As much as I'd love to see the committee's findings I appreciate that that information compromises the upcoming criminal trial. Anyone notice that I gave the ICC a small compliment there - that must be a first! ------------- Mental disintegration works for me !! |
Posted By: zuhair_abbasi
Date Posted: 08 February 2011 at 7:09am
| I wanted to see the detailed verdict - it would have been in the best public interest. |
Posted By: flipper
Date Posted: 08 February 2011 at 11:25am
I am in the same boat spin wizard and believe in second chances. But not in this case. If someone shows genuine remorse for what they have done wrong, then fair enough. These three individuals have demonstrated no remorse for their actions what so ever and have tried to lie their way out. These are not the actions of honourable men they are the actions of cowards and should be treated as such. ------------- Warwickshire County Cricket, Edgbaston Birmingham England. County Champions 2012 |
Posted By: MalhotraRaj84
Date Posted: 09 February 2011 at 3:27am
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Yes flipper is right.They still are trying to lie their way out and lessen the penalty.In all likelyhood it clearly looks like they did cheat. As I said , it would have been probably less penalty had they accepted the truth earlier.Atleast now just accept the truth , follow the procedure and come out clean.
In the fag end of the video he says "The pain goes away a little with this kind of feeling around you. Whenever one starts a business, there are losses and successes. This is the way, when I started my career I had successes. Now this is a bad patch, but you don't wind up the business."
I must say he is either surrounded or guided by morons on what to speak and what not to speak.Who are those lawyers? How they did not guide him not to wear t-shirt with such a slogan earlier and now this , a bussiness model. ------------- Race to No 1 again ... started! |
Posted By: Sledger
Date Posted: 09 February 2011 at 6:22am
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There hasn't been any remorse , as flipper has pointed out and no admission of guilt either! In rugby union , if you appeal against a suspension and the appeal fails , they lengthen the suspension ! That is a sound system to me , if individuals want to clog up the system with unjustified appeals then their must be some penalty for the time and money wasted. Personally I'd make the guilty man pay all the expenses for the 2nd hearing as well as lengthening his ban !
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Posted By: Sledger
Date Posted: 09 February 2011 at 7:55am
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Cricinfo reveal that Asif was asked numerous times to talk the ICC's anticorruption body and he refused , even going against the advice of his lawyer. Apparently the lack of remorse shown by any of the three during the investigation and at the verdict was not appreciated. Anyone feel sorry for them now ?
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Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 09 February 2011 at 12:12pm
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No one certainly feels sorry for them, they have done wrong. And Sledger is right, if you appeal and still found guilty, lengthen the ban, I fully agree with that and that's how I know things are done, not sure if that applies to all legal appeals though. ------------- In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage. |
Posted By: flipper
Date Posted: 09 February 2011 at 4:30pm
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Former Pakistan cricket captain Salman Butt has been signed up to work as an expert analyst at the World Cup for Pakistan's Channel 5 television station. What a star man he is and an example to all children watching the coverage. ------------- Warwickshire County Cricket, Edgbaston Birmingham England. County Champions 2012 |
Posted By: Clobber
Date Posted: 09 February 2011 at 9:01pm
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IMPORTANT The ICC has made the judgement available to read on its website, but this information is not available to readers in England in Wales, because of the ongoing legal case. As a result, anyone who has had the opportunity to read the document MUST NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES discuss it in any way, shape or form anywhere on these forums until such time as those running Cricketworld deem it is appropriate for discussion. Thank you for your cooperation in this. |
Posted By: MalhotraRaj84
Date Posted: 10 February 2011 at 3:05am
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci-icc/content/current/story/500023.html - http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci-icc/content/current/story/500023.html
'Lack of remorse' swung verdict against players.
Anyway nothing much left to discuss either. ------------- Race to No 1 again ... started! |
Posted By: Sledger
Date Posted: 10 February 2011 at 4:49am
This really got to me !! Within days of being found guilty of spot fixing a TV company gives him a job - that shouldn't happen and gives some indication of what this particular TV station thinks about corruption in cricket ! If I lived in Pakistan that TV station would never see light of day again in my household ! ------------- Mental disintegration works for me !! |
Posted By: zuhair_abbasi
Date Posted: 10 February 2011 at 6:53am
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I do not know any Channel 5 in Pakistan - but if there is any it is certainly not watched at all. And the World Cup will only be shown on one TV channel which is not Channel 5.
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Posted By: -JP-
Date Posted: 10 February 2011 at 9:45am
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Just echoing Clobber's very sensible analysis here. No discussion of the information, thanks. IMPORTANT The ICC has made the judgement available to read on its website, but this information is not available to readers in England in Wales, because of the ongoing legal case. As a result, anyone who has had the opportunity to read the document MUST NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES discuss it in any way, shape or form anywhere on these forums. Thank you for your cooperation in this. |
Posted By: flipper
Date Posted: 10 February 2011 at 9:53am
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Prison Planet, I now know how the Chinese feel!! ------------- Warwickshire County Cricket, Edgbaston Birmingham England. County Champions 2012 |
Posted By: zuhair_abbasi
Date Posted: 10 February 2011 at 11:13am
| I seriously don't get this though. Cricinfo has run an article on the verdict then why is it that CW cannot? |
Posted By: -JP-
Date Posted: 10 February 2011 at 11:35am
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Zuhair - we are legally prevented from even accessing the verdict in the UK. I'm quite prepared to play it safe and ask that we don't discuss or publish the verdict until told it's ok to do so. |
Posted By: zuhair_abbasi
Date Posted: 10 February 2011 at 11:52am
| I hear that. But all of us here in this part of the world have read it. And a friend of mine in UK told me that he was also able to access it by using some proxy. Anyways, I respect your stance and will refrain from discussing it here. |
Posted By: flipper
Date Posted: 10 February 2011 at 12:57pm
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So what to do? Do I drive up to Scotland or email relatives in Canada and South Africa? ------------- Warwickshire County Cricket, Edgbaston Birmingham England. County Champions 2012 |
Posted By: -JP-
Date Posted: 10 February 2011 at 1:26pm
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Just don't discuss your findings on this forum. |
Posted By: flipper
Date Posted: 10 February 2011 at 2:32pm
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Posted By: flipper
Date Posted: 10 February 2011 at 4:05pm
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So I guess we can talk about Butt's world cup media job.
When cricket is still reeling from his behaviour, and with the results of his actions likely to affect the sport for years to come, there is no way cricket fans nor his fellow players should have to endure the sight of him sat in a comfortable commentary box with a microphone in his hand so soon after his conviction. Butt's appointment is the equivalent of Ben Johnson - the infamous 100m drug cheat from the 1988 Seoul Olympics - being allowed to light the Olympic torch four years later The history of sport is littered with cheats and will always be so. The difference being that other cheats are not then allowed to immediately gain from their notoriety.  ------------- Warwickshire County Cricket, Edgbaston Birmingham England. County Champions 2012 |
Posted By: zuhair_abbasi
Date Posted: 11 February 2011 at 5:24am
| Hey first of all he has not got a commentary job. Channel 5 is hardly known in Pakistan and he has only got a late night show of post match discussion as an expert - surely this is a cheap stint by the little known channel to get known and now for sure they have succeeded in that as now every other person is asking what is Channel 5. |
Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 12 February 2011 at 5:36pm
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I agree with you guys here, that TV station is got to be a joke, to hire someone who just got convicted.
I rated Dean Jones as a commentator but he was rightly fired for that joking comment he made off the microphone but was heard through the microphone about Hashin Amla. Nevermind if it was a joke, that's not one for the Muslim publicly especially to hear. Seriously, I could have seen the joke in it but it was a foolish comment when exposed to the amount of people it was exposed to. ------------- In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage. |
Posted By: Sledger
Date Posted: 17 February 2011 at 5:32am
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The ICC have officially objected to Butt's appointment as TV pundit for Channel 5 . Lorgat has written to QC Michael Beloff asking if he's breaching the terms of his sentence. If the answer to that question is in the affirmative and Butt goes ahead with the job, his ban from the game will be the full 10 years. Well done ICC , you're showing some teeth at last - the little baby is turning into a toddler ! ------------- Mental disintegration works for me !! |
Posted By: zuhair_abbasi
Date Posted: 17 February 2011 at 6:32am
| Wasn't it supposed to mean not taking part in any cricketing activities that are recognized by the ICC or something like that. A channel that is not even ranked in the top 50, where he will just be giving his views as an expert certainly does not violate any of the ICC judgement methinks. As much as I now dislike Butt, I don't think ICC should jump into it. |
Posted By: Sledger
Date Posted: 17 February 2011 at 8:07am
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Sorry mate , I can't agree. Butt shouldn't be able to make money from cricket , period. Okay he's not playing , but the sport is bringing him money via a TV studio and that means he's still benefitting financially. They must be a Mickey Mouse channel because no self respecting broadcaster would touch him with a bargepole.
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Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 17 February 2011 at 12:39pm
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Sledger, I'll take a different view here. Cricket was Butt's main source of income, now he isn't playing, why should he be denied another source that has nothing to do directly with the association of playing the game with others who he might be able to influence? I agree with Zuhair here, if the TV wants to hire him, so be it, it might be a boost to them or some people might think otherwise about them.
Didn't the verdict say that they aren't suppose to take part in playing of any sanctioned Cricket? Can't remember that applying to being on TV. While I do think the TV station has got to be out of their mind to hire someone that came out of a scandal, it's still their decision. ------------- In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage. |
Posted By: sam_ahmed
Date Posted: 17 February 2011 at 4:46pm
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Absolutely, agree with spinny, despite the fact that these players deserve to be punished, we cannot treat them like out casts, even they have a family to look after.
The ICC's decision to investigate into the matter and Lorgat being "angry" at the development is quite pathetic.
Mohammed Azharuddin who was banned for a far more serious offence (allegedly) has given several expert interviews on leading news channels, is now an MLA and a member of parliament. The fact that people have elected him that too by a huge margin goes to show that all that match fixing episode is forgotten and people remember him for all the good work he has done for Indian cricket.
These three are punished, heavily punished, and that is sufficient. Let them breathe now. ------------- God is a better planner... so whenever u'r plan fails, cheer up... God has a better plan for you! |
Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 17 February 2011 at 5:29pm
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I'll compare it to a thief. If I thief from Sam, I got caught, got put away for a couple years and come back out and Zuhair decided to let me hang around his house, aren't Zuhair doing it at his own peril? Sam wouldn't let me around his house for sure. ------------- In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage. |
Posted By: Sledger
Date Posted: 18 February 2011 at 5:40am
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Sam , they had a choice , enjoy the success that playing international cricket brings and be the envy of every cricket loving fan. For them , that wasn't enough and sheer greed and lack of morality turned them crooked. Good riddance to bad rubbish , I feel no sympathy whatsoever for all three - they and their like (because I believe there are plenty more out there) are a cancer on the sport.
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Posted By: zuhair_abbasi
Date Posted: 18 February 2011 at 6:30am
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They certainly are Sledge and I do not feel any sympathy towards them either now. But the TV thing, to me is certainly just over-hyped. Had he been given a show on the channel that is actually showing the WC - I would have been concerned for sure but this Channel 5 as I said earlier, is a nobody.
They have got the punishment for whatever they did - they wont near the sport - they cant even play cricket form registered clubs - all what they can do is play with street kids and all - that serves them right - but going for alternate options is pretty much their right I think, no matter what there past is. |
Posted By: kirankri
Date Posted: 18 February 2011 at 7:56am
| I agree with Zuhair. As long as they are not allowed to play in any form of cricket, I am fine. |
Posted By: flipper
Date Posted: 18 February 2011 at 10:20am
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He'll be there to analyse no balls! ------------- Warwickshire County Cricket, Edgbaston Birmingham England. County Champions 2012 |
Posted By: sam_ahmed
Date Posted: 18 February 2011 at 4:08pm
I agree sledge, absolutely, my only point was that we need not stop them from going for alternatives just like what Zuhair and Kiran have agreed up on.
One question though for all cricket fans... does it mean if Aamer gets a chance after say 5-6 years to re-enter cricket, will the world accept him, given that he has served his punishment? Will the ICC accept him? ------------- God is a better planner... so whenever u'r plan fails, cheer up... God has a better plan for you! |
Posted By: zuhair_abbasi
Date Posted: 19 February 2011 at 5:53am
| Not so sure - Pakistan will surely have found another bowling talent by then - maybe Junaid Khan is the next Amir -I am afraid Amir's chances of being accepted appear remote - and that is not a loss to cricket. |
Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 21 February 2011 at 2:50am
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All's not lost for Amir - Warne was taken back, so was Asif and Akhtar for their steroid use and countless other. As time goes by, those things go further in the back of people's mind. It won't be forgotten but they'll be less harsh in 3 years than they are now. ------------- In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage. |
Posted By: vote4peace
Date Posted: 01 March 2011 at 7:46am
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Didn't know where else to post this.... ICC probes Aus-Zim WC match. ICC has carried out a scrutiny of the Australia and Zimbabwe WC match played in Ahmedabad after the Australian openers batted slowly in the first 10-15 overs Sources aware of developments said the ICC ACSU had carried out a quiet review of the match after questions were raised over the slow start taken by Watson and Haddin. Australian team coach http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/topic/search?q=Tim%20Nielsen - Tim Nielsen has defended his openers saying they played slowly according to the situation. Plenty of fuss was also raised over the http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/topic/India - India and England match after former Australian leg-spinner http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/topic/Shane-Warne - Shane Warne correctly tweeted seven hours before the start of the match that it would be a tie. Hmmm, wonder where and when will all this end. Guess there will always be doubts in a few minds forever now. ------------- I distrust a camel.. and anyone else who can go a week without a drink. 
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Posted By: zuhair_abbasi
Date Posted: 01 March 2011 at 7:53am
| It seems rubbish to me really. The Zimbabwe bowlers bowled pretty well first up and it was not easy out there for the batters. Period. |
Posted By: flipper
Date Posted: 01 March 2011 at 2:49pm
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And now:......
Sri Lanka batsman Mahela Jayawardene has taken legal advice over doubts raised on a state-run TV channel about the way he and another batsman performed in the World Cup defeat by Pakistan. Will this ever end now?------------- Warwickshire County Cricket, Edgbaston Birmingham England. County Champions 2012 |
Posted By: Amal
Date Posted: 01 March 2011 at 5:41pm
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All this is so RUBBISH I can't understand why people make their own conclusions without having any evidence.
Zimbabwe bowled pretty well, Shane warne's prediction was just a prediction and nothing else, and Mahela was out on a beautiful delivery bowled by Shoaib. Seriously, we live in a world where people make their own perceptions and interpret them in the way they want. ------------- Cricket for peace! |
Posted By: sam_ahmed
Date Posted: 01 March 2011 at 7:58pm
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yeah, Zimbabwe bolwers are no rubbish bowlers, Price in fact is one of the best in the business.
Also it is impossible to "FIX" a game to be as close as a tie, one wide ball, one inside edge onto the stumps can make all the difference. Warne's prediction has to be a fluke. No one can guessa tie before the game, I think he just got lucky. ------------- God is a better planner... so whenever u'r plan fails, cheer up... God has a better plan for you! |