Group B Discussion
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Topic: Group B Discussion
Posted By: -JP-
Subject: Group B Discussion
Date Posted: 17 January 2011 at 1:08pm
| Please use this thread for discussion on Group B, which comprises Bangladesh, England, India, Ireland, Netherlands, West Indies, and South Africa. |
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Posted By: sam_ahmed
Date Posted: 17 January 2011 at 3:51pm
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India's team has been announced... Interestingly they have picked Chawla ahead of Ojha while Rohit Sharma has been left out along with Ishant and sreesanth.
I think the bowling is very thin and I seriously doubt how effective nehra and Praveen will be in the subcontinent, the burden will be mostly and Zaheer and to an extent Munaf as far as pace bowling goes. Otherwise it is a good squad, batting as usual is extremely strong. ------------- God is a better planner... so whenever u'r plan fails, cheer up... God has a better plan for you! |
Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 18 January 2011 at 12:15am
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Sam, Praveen usually gets an early wicket or 2 for India, even in the sub continent. He's a genuine swinger of the new ball but that means Nehra will have to bowl first change and Nehra lately has been picking up early wickets. If Praveen isn't going to take the new ball, I don't see the logic in playing him though.
India bowling isn't going to be threatening, might as well they settle for Ashwin and Harbhajan along with Khan, Nehra and Yusuf Pathan as the all rounder. The bowling very weak. 5th and 6th bowler could go for many.
This is the group to watch out for, I reckon Bangladesh might upset one of these bigger team and we all know Ireland has given it everything in these tournaments. ------------- In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage. |
Posted By: Sledger
Date Posted: 18 January 2011 at 5:32am
There are 5 decent sides looking for 4 places SW , Ireland won't scare the big boys this time around. West Indies will need to be at their best to snatch that 4th place - their match against Bangladesh will be crucial. ------------- Mental disintegration works for me !! |
Posted By: zuhair_abbasi
Date Posted: 18 January 2011 at 6:01am
| Watch out for the first match folks - India Bangladesh - there are no favorites in thats match for sure. Bangladesh is not the weaker side of the group in my view. |
Posted By: sam_ahmed
Date Posted: 18 January 2011 at 5:37pm
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I agree on Praveen spinny but the thing is that these games will be played in indian summer on very flat tracks, there won't be any moisture or anything for the bowlers, I really don't know how Nehra and Praveen who bowl medium pace will manage to do anything significant with no help from the pitch and conditions.
BAN and WI both will surely do well, WI have always done well in India while BAN's spinners will be very vry difficult to tackle on dry summer wickets, they can bowl 40 overs of decent spin in every game, that is their strength.
ENG traditionally have done very poorly in the subcontinent, they have a very good side this time but they shouldn't be complacent. ------------- God is a better planner... so whenever u'r plan fails, cheer up... God has a better plan for you! |
Posted By: MalhotraRaj84
Date Posted: 18 January 2011 at 8:56pm
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Bangladesh won't be able to win against India,WI,England,SA.If they beat Ireland that will be good result.
Very first match India will give them a lifetime thrashing , it is long time due ( Revenge for 2007 world cup exit would be the only thing on Indians mind , once they reach safety ). ------------- Race to No 1 again ... started! |
Posted By: Sledger
Date Posted: 19 January 2011 at 7:17am
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I'm glad England aren't playing Bangladesh first up. They'll be really fired up in front of their own fans and not having lost yet , will be full of self belief. From an England perspective I'm hoping they'll be a pretty deflated side by the time they play England. Raj's comment about India belting Bangladesh might well prove correct , but I'd bet India would take any sort of win against them right now. ------------- Mental disintegration works for me !! |
Posted By: zuhair_abbasi
Date Posted: 19 January 2011 at 8:09am
| I don't see BD going out that easily. They are a strong outfit at home conditions and they have better spinners than the Indian team. I will be looking forward to that match as an important one. |
Posted By: sam_ahmed
Date Posted: 19 January 2011 at 4:35pm
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IND v BAN will be a real cracker of a game I think. BAN will have nothing to lose and going by their team they'll be oozing with confidence of beating any team in the competition. ------------- God is a better planner... so whenever u'r plan fails, cheer up... God has a better plan for you! |
Posted By: sam_ahmed
Date Posted: 19 January 2011 at 4:37pm
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Big news - WI select Sarwan in the WC team... they have named a formidable unit.
Spinny must be very happy, the team looks good and I'm very happy for Sarwan. ------------- God is a better planner... so whenever u'r plan fails, cheer up... God has a better plan for you! |
Posted By: MalhotraRaj84
Date Posted: 19 January 2011 at 8:12pm
Ya , it will be cracker of a game for sure. Probably only one team bursting crackers  .
- Whatever the case , the above statment will be true
 . India will not take BD lightly.They will play by "safety first" principle, If they feel they are secure, then it will be one way traffic (if India bat first).
(If India chase) In ODI's chasing has to respected no matter what small target it is and should be done with caution, no scope for heroism.
For those who are expecting BD to win agaisn't India, ya their words can be true, but it's like 5% or less. I will never bet for an underdog when chances are so so so...less. ------------- Race to No 1 again ... started! |
Posted By: zuhair_abbasi
Date Posted: 20 January 2011 at 7:51am
| Its 30 percent for me Raj. And they will have this much chance against almost every test team they play in the WC. |
Posted By: MalhotraRaj84
Date Posted: 20 January 2011 at 4:56pm
If they loose like few early wickets then they don't have the ability to come back. They do not have maturity of building and winning on consistent basis.They will win occassional one or two match here and there.
I know you have been buyont about their chances, but it is not their talent I doubt but the temperment that they lack. One thrashing from some team and self belief will dive to ground. ------------- Race to No 1 again ... started! |
Posted By: sam_ahmed
Date Posted: 20 January 2011 at 5:36pm
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That above post by Raj is perhaps one good post he has posted in a long long time... anyways I agree with most of what he has written above, but I also agree with Zuhair, they'll have about 30% chance of winning against every major team they play. ------------- God is a better planner... so whenever u'r plan fails, cheer up... God has a better plan for you! |
Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 20 January 2011 at 5:57pm
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I think India's batting attack will be too good for the oppositions they come up against. Tendulkar, Sehwag, Gambhir, Yuvraj, Raina, Dhoni, Pathan will be quite challenging for bowlers. Sehwag, Yuvraj, Raina, Pathan and Dhoni are fireworks players and even guys like Tendulkar and Gambhir can score at a fast rate too. The sad thing for India is, other than Harbhajan and Khan, the run rate won't be under much control when the opposition is batting. Munaf bowls good line and length but sometimes he can lose it.
Oh, one more thing, Sam is spot on with West Indies. They do indeed play very good ODI cricket in India. Gayle, Sarwan and Chanderpaul will find playing easily. If I were teams, i'd be extremely worried about Chris Gayle. He has matured immensely over the last 2-3 years. Those Indian conditions are setting up a lot of bowlers to get carnaged by him.
The bowling isn't threatening but bowlers like Gayle, Sammy, Pollard, Benn won't do too bad, they're accurate and don't really provide the pace to get away easily. Still though, they're not capable of defending low scores. Gayle and Sarwan will have to have a great tournament if West Indies are to do better than expected but I think they'll be competitive though. ------------- In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage. |
Posted By: MalhotraRaj84
Date Posted: 20 January 2011 at 5:59pm
, if that makes you happy.
Ok regarding the 30% , I bet if Zuhair changes his odds tommorow to something like say .. umm 37.32% chances for winning , I know Zuhair wouldn't do that but still if he does, you'd exactly agree uptill the second decimal point with him.
That I am 100% sure. ------------- Race to No 1 again ... started! |
Posted By: zuhair_abbasi
Date Posted: 21 January 2011 at 6:24am
| You have obviously been away from the forum of late Raj - me and Sam disagree on more things than we agree. And I don't doubt your research skills one bit - you can instead look back and find that out mate. |
Posted By: sam_ahmed
Date Posted: 21 January 2011 at 3:54pm
 and to add to that if one consideres something to be not good it doesn't mean he considers it to be rubbish. You are putting words in my mouth Raj.------------- God is a better planner... so whenever u'r plan fails, cheer up... God has a better plan for you! |
Posted By: MalhotraRaj84
Date Posted: 21 January 2011 at 5:39pm
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Ok ok , now I get it Sam. It's like saying ... "I have not seen a good post by Sam yet in this forum". ------------- Race to No 1 again ... started! |
Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 21 January 2011 at 6:59pm
One thing you guys have failed to realise is that Sam is a married man, he's now trained in the art of having arguments and leaning on every technicality to get out with some sort of victory.  ------------- In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage. |
Posted By: sam_ahmed
Date Posted: 22 January 2011 at 2:28am
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you are entitled to your opinion Raj.
No Spinny, No, there the least you can do is say "sorry" even when you know that you are right.. ------------- God is a better planner... so whenever u'r plan fails, cheer up... God has a better plan for you! |
Posted By: zuhair_abbasi
Date Posted: 22 January 2011 at 6:39am
| But you are never right once married Sam. |
Posted By: sam_ahmed
Date Posted: 22 January 2011 at 10:52am
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ya, that is what I meant Zuhair. ------------- God is a better planner... so whenever u'r plan fails, cheer up... God has a better plan for you! |
Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 22 January 2011 at 4:39pm
Quite right folks, you're never right, even with this girl I does talk a bit too, when I figure she's in an arguing mood, I does respond with "ok" and she does catch on saying, "you saying ok to get me to shut up?"  ------------- In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage. |
Posted By: Clobber
Date Posted: 08 February 2011 at 4:30pm
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England have confirmed that Morgan will miss the tournament, a real shame that the main ODI competition will be missing one of the most exciting players in this format. Ravi Bopara will replace him, and as most will know, I am a big fan, so hope he can have a good tournament and get himself back in the regular reckoning for all formats. |
Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 09 February 2011 at 12:20pm
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Morgan is a big loss, has been England's best ODI batsman of late (if you exclude Trott from the resently concluded series). ------------- In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage. |
Posted By: flipper
Date Posted: 11 February 2011 at 3:43pm
Once upon a time a cricket player named ------------- Warwickshire County Cricket, Edgbaston Birmingham England. County Champions 2012 |
Posted By: sam_ahmed
Date Posted: 11 February 2011 at 5:31pm
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He isn't that bad flipper!!! ------------- God is a better planner... so whenever u'r plan fails, cheer up... God has a better plan for you! |
Posted By: flipper
Date Posted: 11 February 2011 at 6:21pm
------------- Warwickshire County Cricket, Edgbaston Birmingham England. County Champions 2012 |
Posted By: MalhotraRaj84
Date Posted: 12 February 2011 at 4:16am
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Every time I see Bopara bat, I see so much of class in him. He should be a hit.Hope this WC is the starting point of his successful career. ------------- Race to No 1 again ... started! |
Posted By: MalhotraRaj84
Date Posted: 12 February 2011 at 12:06pm
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Spin , Few inputs about this guy Andre Russell. What I gather is he has got good pace and bounce pitches the ball at ackward lenght. Just 22 year old , he has not played much FC matches, but whatever he has played it looks like he is a very good bowler and might be a decent bat too. He has played so less, still he is in the sqaud. Today he took 4 wickets against kenya.Are we in for a special secret weapon from WI? ------------- Race to No 1 again ... started! |
Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 12 February 2011 at 5:46pm
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Raj, Russell can bowl good deliveries but he's a Stuart MacGill, even if he do take wickets, he'll leak runs. If he goes for less than 5 runs per over in this WC, i'll be very shocked. And don't pay too much attention to those first class stats and readings. He's not that quick, yes, he got a bit of pace (87 MPH aint that slow) but I don't think he gets in the 90's at all. He's strong though, very athletic and far better fielder than you'd normally associate with West Indian quicks. He can bowl good short ones, good yorkers and good length balls but is quite inconsistent. He can get wickets but he has a tendancy to leak runs. International batsmen can end your career easy if you're that kind of bowler, especially if your back up bowlers aren't capable of mopping up what you leaked.
With his batting though, if he connects on a ball, he'll smoke it, hits it extremely hard. Will be a vital part in that lower order. He can blaze 40 runs in 20 balls! ------------- In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage. |
Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 12 February 2011 at 5:49pm
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Unlike you guys, I've gone down on my ratings on Bopara. To me, he's just another one of those guys that looks like he can bat but is actually another story. Not exactly in the Devon Smith mold but something like that. Devon Smith does hit some of the prettiest cover drives that leaves you in awe and can crack some pull shots yet you wonder how he can fail so miserably. For England sake, they better hope Ravi is not in that same category. ------------- In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage. |
Posted By: MalhotraRaj84
Date Posted: 15 February 2011 at 6:11am
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IRE and BD in same group makes all matches in Group B interesting, least the teams that qualify for knockout stage will be well prepared.IRE and BD, how close they are. BD's strength lies in spin, otherwise it would be an interesting match up.
I would not be surprised at all if IRE finish higher than BD in the points table. It will all boil down to how well IRE batsman can handle spin. ------------- Race to No 1 again ... started! |
Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 15 February 2011 at 5:16pm
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Raj, there we go, Russell goes for 42 off 4 overs today against Sri Lanka and got a wicket! ------------- In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage. |
Posted By: sam_ahmed
Date Posted: 15 February 2011 at 5:31pm
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All HELL is going to break loose in Group B, Bangladesh and Ireland are no pushovers by any means and going by the terrific runchase of the Netherlands today against KEN even they can't be taken lightly ... they bat as low as No.10 and Ryan Ten Doeschate, what a player!!! If only they still had Nannes playing for them! The ICC have got it wrong, the qualifiers shouldn't be happening as long as 2 years back, or atleast the grouping should not be done on the basis of two years old data.
All in all the associate nations have progressed pretty well and it is disappointing to know that they won't be around in 2015. How will they progress? Apparently they will only be playing in the T20 WC's and possibly the champions trophy. ------------- God is a better planner... so whenever u'r plan fails, cheer up... God has a better plan for you! |
Posted By: Sledger
Date Posted: 16 February 2011 at 5:54am
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SA beat Australia without breaking sweat yesterday. Australia collapsed again after a 122 stand between Ponting and Clarke and were all gone for just 216. SA knocked those off for the loss of only one wicket and that was a run out ! Both Smith and Amla made unbeaten 60's before retiring because they were bored silly. Duminy and de Villiers saw them home will almost 6 overs left. Steyn and Peterson took three wickets apiece and looked good. That'll boost confidence but Australia can take heart in that Ponting's now made successive half centuries , but that middle order looks flaky - they're missing Mike Hussey and White just doesn't convince me that he's good enough at this level. ------------- Mental disintegration works for me !! |
Posted By: Sledger
Date Posted: 16 February 2011 at 5:55am
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In the big match today England are destroying the little Canadians with some fearsome hitting - currently they're a massive 144-5 off just 33 overs. Oh ............. ------------- Mental disintegration works for me !! |
Posted By: sam_ahmed
Date Posted: 16 February 2011 at 7:21am
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Really can't read much into the practice games sledge, I think teams are taking this as just an opportunity to have batting, bowling and fielding practice, result is not on their minds.
AUS shold still do well in the main tournament. I think back in 2007 both PAK and IND won their warm up games and then got a real shocker in the main event, I hope that doesn't happen this time! ------------- God is a better planner... so whenever u'r plan fails, cheer up... God has a better plan for you! |
Posted By: Sledger
Date Posted: 16 February 2011 at 7:48am
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Agreed Sam , but a big win might settle a few nerves (especially mine!) . England eventually got to 243 all out with Matt Prior making a stylish 78 off 80 balls , batting at 6. Pietersen opened and apparently that's the plan for the tournament. I've no problems with that , KP against the seamers 1st up looks a decent option , although there will be some spinners opening the bowling. Prior down the order looks right too , his boundary hitting is good and he'll be useful in the powerplay , taking over the role of Morgan. Incidently Morgan doesn't need surgery and could well get back into the squad if someone breaks down..................Collingwood , I'm talking to you ! ------------- Mental disintegration works for me !! |
Posted By: Clobber
Date Posted: 16 February 2011 at 9:36am
| With Bopara not getting a bat, it looks as though they intend to use Wright rather than him in the tournament, which remains a strange choice when you consider their relative abilities. |
Posted By: sam_ahmed
Date Posted: 16 February 2011 at 4:34pm
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ENG win but only just! 16 runs against CAN who are perhaps the weakest among the minnoe nations. That is bad and I hope they get it right quickly because their 2nd game is against IND, who are knocking opponents out at the moment in these warm ups. ------------- God is a better planner... so whenever u'r plan fails, cheer up... God has a better plan for you! |
Posted By: abubakar52
Date Posted: 16 February 2011 at 4:38pm
| Yes Sam, Look out for Cheema and Davo once again in this tournament folks. |
Posted By: Sledger
Date Posted: 17 February 2011 at 5:07am
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Grand effort from the Canadians - they're more multicultural than England !
------------- Mental disintegration works for me !! |
Posted By: Sledger
Date Posted: 17 February 2011 at 5:16am
There's still Pakistan on Friday Clobs and I expect that starting XI to be that favoured by Flower and Strauss. When comparing Bopara to Wright I think it's only in the fielding department where Wright might just have the advantage , Bopara's batting and wicket taking ability far exceeds Wright's. What might swing it in Wright's favour is loyalty - he's been around the group since Flower arrived on the scene and we've seen with the test set up that once you're in it takes injury or something special to have someone replaced. The game tomorrow is a biggie , as far as warm ups go. Pakistan are showing signs or being a major player in the tournament and England need a solid match to show that they've got over their Australian nightmare. I think the bowling isn't a concern , it's the batting that's been so inconsistent of late - they need to buck up! ------------- Mental disintegration works for me !! |
Posted By: sam_ahmed
Date Posted: 17 February 2011 at 5:39pm
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Apparently Barath an Baugh are injured and may be replaced, that could be a huge set back for the Windies. I hope they recover. ------------- God is a better planner... so whenever u'r plan fails, cheer up... God has a better plan for you! |
Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 18 February 2011 at 2:22pm
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Barath is definitely a loss, not so sure about Baugh but he's a good powerful cameo player. Hasn't been any more than that really. Thomas, his replacement, can play spin quite well so would be handy to have in the sub continent. Haven't seen too much of his keeping though. ------------- In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage. |
Posted By: flipper
Date Posted: 18 February 2011 at 4:54pm
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Just had to post this:
The England players were given a day off training following the Canada game but were still on duty and went to revisit a hospital that treat victims of acid attacks. They visited the same facility last year. There were 2,433 attacks registered between 1999 and 2010 by the Acid Survivors Foundation (ASF). Many of the victims will survive and the hospital visited by England is just one of many that help victims deal with the horrendous injuries inflicted upon them when acid is thrown in the faces of, mostly young women, as a form of attack. The overwhelming majority of the victims are girls below 18 years of age. In some cases it is because a young girl or women has spurned the advances of a male or either she or her parents have rejected a marriage proposal. Acid attacks WTF! What goes on in the heads of these people? ------------- Warwickshire County Cricket, Edgbaston Birmingham England. County Champions 2012 |
Posted By: Amal
Date Posted: 19 February 2011 at 4:15am
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Acid attacks are very common in subcontinent Flipper. ------------- Cricket for peace! |
Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 21 February 2011 at 3:01am
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People's belief can make them utterly foolish and stupid (they probably mean the samething but whatever figure of speech yo call that, it was needed to emphasize the stupidity of such things). Life goes on, people need to put their insecurities aside! ------------- In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage. |
Posted By: Sledger
Date Posted: 22 February 2011 at 5:47am
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So England up against the Nederlands in today's only match. Revenge in the air after England lost to them in the World T20 and I expect them to win comfortably. That's not to say that the Dutch can't play , they're probably the best of the minnows with some more than decent players.
------------- Mental disintegration works for me !! |
Posted By: zuhair_abbasi
Date Posted: 22 February 2011 at 6:06am
| I think Ireland still are the better side amongst the associates. |
Posted By: Sledger
Date Posted: 22 February 2011 at 6:46am
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It's a close call , both sides have a few full time professionals and some experienced part-timers.
------------- Mental disintegration works for me !! |
Posted By: Genuine Muppet
Date Posted: 22 February 2011 at 12:17pm
| Upset on the cards right here. Doeschate is on fire. 110 off 103 with 5 overs to go. C'mon Netherlands. 5 No balls, England are struggling. |
Posted By: Genuine Muppet
Date Posted: 22 February 2011 at 12:19pm
| Also, Jimmy Anderson just bowled two no balls, being over waist high on the full. Why is he not removed from the attack by the umpire. Isn't it one warning, then you are out ??? |
Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 22 February 2011 at 2:00pm
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Oh dear, what am I seeing? Did Netherland score 292? ------------- In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage. |
Posted By: flipper
Date Posted: 22 February 2011 at 6:35pm
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Well done the Dutch, good work out for England, just what we needed. ------------- Warwickshire County Cricket, Edgbaston Birmingham England. County Champions 2012 |
Posted By: sam_ahmed
Date Posted: 22 February 2011 at 7:23pm
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ENG Survive but only just! They seriously can't do well in the subcontinent.
Ryan ten Doeschate has done wonders for my fantasy team... he was my captain! ------------- God is a better planner... so whenever u'r plan fails, cheer up... God has a better plan for you! |
Posted By: Clobber
Date Posted: 22 February 2011 at 9:19pm
| it wasn't "only just" at all, the result was never in doubt for a second - the batting was a good professional performance, easing their way to a big target with minimal risk. |
Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 23 February 2011 at 12:55am
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The way England started the chase, surely they weren't going to lose except for a collapse. Even when they were 200 and needed 90 odd off 75 odd deliveries, they still had loads of wickets in hand the pitch didn't possess any demons. Still, it's pleasing to see a minnow score that much.
Genuine Muppet, I didn't see the beamers but if one of them was outside the line of the batsman, you don't get warned for that. You get warned for those that the umpires think would have cause harm to the batsman had he not got out of the way or got his bat in the way. So if either one of them was like that, then by the rules, the umps did the correct thing. ------------- In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage. |
Posted By: Hammond
Date Posted: 23 February 2011 at 1:51am
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All that game showed was that we are in for a boring world cup with billiard table decks. England chased that easily. Par was probably 330.
And regarding the "Dutch" my goodness they have a go at England for playing ex-pats?
Maybe all the associates should just make a picked test side with it's best players- God knows most of them weren't born or grew up in the "countries" they are playing for.. ------------- "I never knew what colour the ball was only it's size" Colour blind Bill Ponsford.. |
Posted By: Amal
Date Posted: 23 February 2011 at 4:59am
WOW!! Dutch scored 292. England chased really well, though their fielding was horrible. Doeschate was awesome with bat and ball. May be, England selectors catch him  ------------- Cricket for peace! |
Posted By: Genuine Muppet
Date Posted: 23 February 2011 at 1:43pm
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Posted By: flipper
Date Posted: 24 February 2011 at 9:45am
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Wow, Kallis has hair, where did he find that then? ------------- Warwickshire County Cricket, Edgbaston Birmingham England. County Champions 2012 |
Posted By: Clobber
Date Posted: 24 February 2011 at 2:26pm
| shortly after seeing one of those Graham Gooch / Shane Warne tv adverts I believe :) |
Posted By: Sledger
Date Posted: 25 February 2011 at 6:17am
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A very solid performance by the South Africans and great to see all those spinners in the side! Tahir did terrifically well and has given them another attacking option with the ball. The batting might get exposed by a better attack than that they faced yesterday - Botha at 7 looks way too high and if the top order misfire they could get bundled out for less than 200. Still , kudos to the selectors for changing that staid approach of yesteryear - they have the attack to take down any side in this competition , including India.
------------- Mental disintegration works for me !! |
Posted By: zuhair_abbasi
Date Posted: 25 February 2011 at 6:29am
| Wonderful - have waited so long to watch Tahir bowl and he did not disappoint. Would not call that a great spell, but it was pretty attacking and it got him wickets. Maybe on drier pitches he can get the ball to turn more but I like what I see and he should definitely be playing tests ahead of Harris. |
Posted By: dev_rt
Date Posted: 25 February 2011 at 12:15pm
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SA always get ranked among top teams but seeing the world cup records they fail to create their charm in WC,they never made 2 WC final as far as i know...still hope they manage 2 reach semi final in this WC..
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Posted By: Genuine Muppet
Date Posted: 25 February 2011 at 12:31pm
| South Africa would have to be favourites for the cup now surely. Very complete side, with a lot of competition within the side to be in the starting 11. |
Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 25 February 2011 at 2:15pm
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Zuhair, that pitch yesterday was conducive to spin. You want to know why? If Sulieman Benn can beat the bat with the new ball with turn, then that alone tells you.
------------- In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage. |
Posted By: sam_ahmed
Date Posted: 25 February 2011 at 7:03pm
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ordinary stuff by the windies and I'm sorry to say but this team doesn't look like doing anything significant in this tournament, BAN would seriously fancy getting in the QF's ahead of them, ENG also look better than them at the moment.
WI will almost entirely rely on Gayle, Sarwan and Darren they do not have any other impact player and I'm saying this because Dwayne Bravo is also out injured and Chanders is no longer the same force. I wanted to see a lot more fight from the WI< unfortunately it appears it is not to be.
I hope they prove me wrong, I'd love to see them play cricket the westindian way! ------------- God is a better planner... so whenever u'r plan fails, cheer up... God has a better plan for you! |
Posted By: sam_ahmed
Date Posted: 25 February 2011 at 7:14pm
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Bangladesh against Ireland was the game of the tournament so far, terrific stuff by the banglas and the best part was tamim going mad early on in the innings.
This win should get rid of any nerves now and i expect Bangla to be even more dangerous from now on... ------------- God is a better planner... so whenever u'r plan fails, cheer up... God has a better plan for you! |
Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 26 February 2011 at 2:50am
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West Indies did mess up the game in 2 phases. In the middle and during the end. De Villers batted with sublime touch, he's extremely classy!
And guys, watch Darren Bravo. Many bowlers world wide will be in for a licking from this player, he's full of class. Balance and has all the time in the world to play his shots - that's the trademark of great players. Watching him time Steyn through the leg side then scorch a cover drive off him was brilliant to watch. That 73 was full of class. Just wish he was as good as Lara against spin though. ------------- In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage. |
Posted By: vote4peace
Date Posted: 26 February 2011 at 10:36am
| Man big blow for the windies that dwanye bravo injury. massive player for them, got to agree that their chance of qualifying has reduce hugely. will have to see the best of gayle and pollard to see them through (and i for one would love to see that). |
Posted By: vote4peace
Date Posted: 26 February 2011 at 10:42am
| Saw the best match of the tournament yesterday in the BAN/IRD game. Hats off to ireland for putting their hands up unlike the other associates (barring holland). Probably just what the bangla boys needed to get their ride going. Ireland have definitely made a statement here. ICC better give them more games with the big boys after the WC. |
Posted By: sam_ahmed
Date Posted: 26 February 2011 at 7:59pm
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Big one tomorrow, India v England, very big game for ENG as well a victory here and they can breathe easy in a group where anything can happen esp with BAN winning over Ireland and Ireland showing good fight so they can upset other teams as well.
For India it is again a chance to prove their dominance and send out a loud message that they are THE team to beat. ------------- God is a better planner... so whenever u'r plan fails, cheer up... God has a better plan for you! |
Posted By: flipper
Date Posted: 27 February 2011 at 7:06pm
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What a match! Great show from both sides and a fair result in the end. Happy with the point. ------------- Warwickshire County Cricket, Edgbaston Birmingham England. County Champions 2012 |
Posted By: vote4peace
Date Posted: 28 February 2011 at 3:47am
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Woohoo!!! The heat is finally on. The last 3days is just what the WC needed to get the wheels rolling after a string of one-sided games. 1st BAN/IRD then the SL/PAK and now this .
Coming to the game both teams are gonna take positives and negatives from the game. Fair result some might say, but for me england deserved to win a tad more. Chasing a total of 339 under light with the crowd( not just any crowd) against you, hats off to england and straussy. Once again the indian bowling failed to impress and will have many Q's to answer before the next game. Cant back on your batsmen to score close to 350 every game. Hopefully they getting all the bad performances out of the way and pick up when it matters th most. ------------- I distrust a camel.. and anyone else who can go a week without a drink.
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Posted By: dev_rt
Date Posted: 28 February 2011 at 4:47am
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Ya its a thriller...like Indian team used to play such thrillers..in SA we won a match by 1 run..Fielding from Indian side is bit poor as ever..hope we improve it in next few games..
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Posted By: vote4peace
Date Posted: 28 February 2011 at 5:55am
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Yes fielding was also an imp factor determining the outcome of the game. Both teams were found wanting on the field, a superior fielding unit would have won the game for either of the team . Never been one of india's strengths. Thats why i believe SA one of the best teams(Mental strength the only box yet to be ticked). Eng usually a better fieldng unit.
One thing about this indian team is they some how step up a notch once the pressure factor kicks in. they have done so well off late in pressure cooker situations and have begun to develop this uncanny knack of looking like a better bowling unit once the game gets tight. They seem to letting their guard down when things are working for them( not the mark off a champion side) ------------- I distrust a camel.. and anyone else who can go a week without a drink.
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Posted By: zuhair_abbasi
Date Posted: 28 February 2011 at 6:04am
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The match should not have gone this far for both the teams. That it did shows one team panicked and other just do not have the bowlers. I have said it before - it is the Indian batting that is very very strong not the entire team and if they continue playing such weird combination of four front line bowlers. With such a strong batting line they will have to play five bowlers, or else they will struggle at some stage in the tournament because their batsmen will surely have one bad day.
England should have won this one given the start and the innings that Struass played - The curse of the batting power play haunted them bad which cost them a point. What is Luke Wright's role in the team is my question to all the England supporters. |
Posted By: Sledger
Date Posted: 28 February 2011 at 6:21am
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What a game , superb knocks by Tendulkar and Strauss . Both were ruthless on anything slightly short or wide - their placement was splendid. India have had a scare and must address the problem of the fifth bowler. Zuhair is dead right , at some point the batting will have an off day and they'll lose and that could happen in the knock out stages. Better to see the problem early on and take steps to amend it. Jimmy Anderson looks jaded and I think the selectors wish they'd taken Tremlett now , the Aussies and Shoaib have demonstrated how effective quicks can be , even on slow decks. To have any chance of winning this thing England will have to bowl sides out or restrict them to 260-ish scores - they won't chase 300+ scores very often. Still , fine match and one that India are grateful they didn't lose - 1point apiece is a good result for South Africa ! ------------- Mental disintegration works for me !! |
Posted By: kirankri
Date Posted: 28 February 2011 at 6:24am
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Around 680 runs, 18 wickets, lot of tense moments, a tie blah blah blah...End of the day both the teams would not be pleased with their performances. They have to lift their game quickly. Else they may not go beyond QFs. First, after getting such a solid start, India should have posted 360+ runs if the middle and the lower middle order had played decently. That is something India should work on, but a problem which could be resolved with some sensible thinking. Then started the major problem - The attitude while bowling and fielding. More than the skills in bowling, it was the attiude which was worrying. They bowled and fielded like, we have scored 340 - so however we bowl we will win. If they continue this attitude, it is going to hurt them badly. With additional batting powerplay, and the introduction of new ball after 34 overs, 300+ scores are chaseable. They have to get it into their heads. Field placements and bowling changes were poor too. Strauss and Bell were taking singles and a boundary per over at will for most part of the game. With respect to the changes in the team, once Nehra comes back in the QF stages, I am sure he would replace Chawla which would be a right move. Coming to England, they had a tough ask at the begining of the chase, but they managed to reach a commanding position by the 40th over or so. They had around 70 runs to score in around 60 balls with 8 wickets in hand. Nasser was shouting the commentary box.."Don't take the power play. Indians are confused and they don't know what to do" He was absolutely right. Once the attacking field was set, they were awful. Not sure whether it was a panic or the lower order is not good....But from that position, on an excellent batting pitch, with a bowling attack as bad as Indian attack, it should have been a walk in the park. Still they went to an almost losing position from then. Thanks to the 3 sixers in the last two overs which ensured that, they didn't lose the game. w.r.t the changes, once Broad is back, they should replace Anderson. Not sure whether Anderson is suited for subcontinent conditions unless it swings. I feel it is better to replace Collingwood as well. Brensan and Yardy were excellent under pressure. The last run of Zaheer Khan was one short :-) What would have happend if he completed the run? Either of the team would have won instead of a tie probably because, the england no.10 would have tried to hit rather than just sneaking a single if 3 runs were required of the last ball. Finally, something other than cricket. When will the Indian crowd learn to be silent. There were two probable thin edges from Strauss which even keeper and bowler couldn't hear due to the noise. |
Posted By: Sledger
Date Posted: 28 February 2011 at 6:33am
He's out of favour at the moment mate , but that might change soon! Anderson looks shot and he'll probably be replaced by Broad for the Ireland match. Wright's biffing can be very effective down the order but on these pitches his bowling might get the treatment. He's a fine teamman and a great outfielder he just might get a run out if they come across a pitch with some pace in it and it'll be Yardy who'll miss out. ------------- Mental disintegration works for me !! |
Posted By: Sledger
Date Posted: 28 February 2011 at 6:36am
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I'm with you Kiran concerning Collingwood - he looked terrible and that heave that bowled him was the worst shot of the day. No doubt in my mind , of the top teams we've got the poorest number 5 !
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Posted By: vote4peace
Date Posted: 28 February 2011 at 7:15am
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But Who would take Collingwood's place. He's an experienced player, and should eventually find his footing as the tournament goes on. I would prefer Colling any day to a Bopara during a pressure situation, no substitute for experience.
Also a useful bowler with his variations, not gonna have the same fate(or face sublime Sachin) in every match. ------------- I distrust a camel.. and anyone else who can go a week without a drink.
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Posted By: zuhair_abbasi
Date Posted: 28 February 2011 at 7:22am
| They were silent for most part of the innings when Strauss and Bell were playing. Having the DRS and not having the snicko and hot spot sucks. |
Posted By: kirankri
Date Posted: 28 February 2011 at 8:15am
| Agreed. Even if they had referred, the third umpire didn' have any evidence to give it out. You can't see the deviation for thin edges. |
Posted By: hira danish
Date Posted: 28 February 2011 at 11:41am
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Posted By: flipper
Date Posted: 28 February 2011 at 12:14pm
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England seamer Tim Bresnan has been reprimanded by the International Cricket Council for hitting his stumps with his bat during the dramatic World Cup tie with co-hosts India. And his team has been fined for a slow over-rate in the thrilling encounter at the Chinnaswamy Stadium in Bangalore on Sunday. Bresnan, who had earlier taken career-best figures of 5 for 48, was looking to see England home when he was bowled by leg-spinner Piyush Chawla for 14 at the end of the 48th over. He then hit the stumps with his bat, seemingly in frustration with himself. Bresnan pleaded guilty to contravening the International Cricket Council (ICC) code of conduct. "While giving my verdict, I took into account that Bresnan admitted his mistake, apologised for his action and that it was his first offence," match referee Roshan Mahanama said. Bresnan received the minimum penalty - he could have been fined up to 50 per cent of his match fee. The England team was fined for a slow over-rate, deemed to be one over short of its target at the end of the match when time allowances were taken into consideration. England skipper Andrew Strauss, who made a career-best 158, was fined 20 per cent of his fee while his players received 10 per cent fines. Just what you wanted to hear when you've just played the game of your life but rules are rules.------------- Warwickshire County Cricket, Edgbaston Birmingham England. County Champions 2012 |
Posted By: sam_ahmed
Date Posted: 28 February 2011 at 5:11pm
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fantastic match that and both teams should have had mixed feeling, both must feel they could have won it, However, 1 point each is not as bad for both teams as a defeat would have been, esp for ENG who are still to face BAN.
I must say I was surprised by ENG's terrific run chase, I never really expected that after IND has scored 338, for the nth time Indian bowling was completely exposed and found no answers until the batting powerplay helped them out.
ENG should take more positives from this game than India, That was a fantastic effort and should do wonders for their confidence. ------------- God is a better planner... so whenever u'r plan fails, cheer up... God has a better plan for you! |
Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 28 February 2011 at 11:56pm
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Oh dear me, England had an easy game to win, wanting just 60 from 8 overs with 8 wickets in hand. Couldn't believe it when I heard how the game was panning out.
India's batting is seriously strong but their bowling is still weak. England on the other hand is lucky to have a team where their batting goes right down. And make it even better, their bowlers are good!
The only good thing India can't take from this game is that seeing they got 338 against England, they should get 300 easily in the remaining games. ------------- In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage. |
Posted By: Hammond
Date Posted: 01 March 2011 at 4:25am
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Always knew England would come through. No other team in the tournament could have made that chase. Broad was missed in the bowling line up- hope he is back soon. ------------- "I never knew what colour the ball was only it's size" Colour blind Bill Ponsford.. |
Posted By: Sledger
Date Posted: 01 March 2011 at 5:57am
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The word is that Broad was still in bed on Monday after eating dodgy sushi. Whilst I want him back and let Jimmy have a rest , there's little point in risking him against the Irish. It's not a game to be taken lightly , but England have enough talent to win this one without Broad. If they are set on resting Anderson and Broad isn't fit , will they give Wright a go ? That'll put plenty of pressure on Shazhad and Bresnan , but might not be a bad thing either. SA on Sunday - they'll be hoping everyone's fit for that one. ------------- Mental disintegration works for me !! |
Posted By: Sledger
Date Posted: 01 March 2011 at 6:08am
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No comments on Roach's heroics ? Yes , it was only the 9 , 10 and Jack of a minnow side , but the three balls were right on the money! I've always liked Roach , for a little fella he's pretty slippery! Another example in this competition of quicks doing the business on surfaces not particularly suitable to their skill. Studying the effective seamers , it seems pretty obvious that fast , full and straight is the way to go. Batsmen are uncertain and I think there's a little bit of doubt in their minds because of a bit of variable bounce . I hope they continue to be successful , a world cup dominated by spinners wasn't on my wish list. ------------- Mental disintegration works for me !! |
Posted By: zuhair_abbasi
Date Posted: 01 March 2011 at 6:17am
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Yes, Roach is pretty good but he is erratic with the new ball. Maybe he should be used as a first change like Pakistan uses Gul.
We have had decent performances by the seamers so far so goos signs these - watch out for Steyn and Morkel rattle the oppsitions with full and short hostile stuff against the Indians. Waiting for that game. |
Posted By: vote4peace
Date Posted: 01 March 2011 at 6:31am
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Very True Sledge, Fast , Full and Straight seems to be the recipe for the quicks at this WC esp to the tail. And Roach was exactly on the money yesterday(thoroughly enjoyed watching him bowl). True it was just Holland but we know they no mucks with the bat after their Eng match. Probably one of the reasons why seamers of teams like England and India seem to struggle. I for one was never too optimistic of the English bowling, their strike bowler is not just ineffective but has been shambolic in the tournament so far. In sub-continent conditions you cant thrive on conventional swing. Need to be express or need to have more variations( leg and off-cutters, slow bouncers, slower balls ) or the priceless ability to bowl those yorkers and reverse-swing. But I'm sure you already knew that. ------------- I distrust a camel.. and anyone else who can go a week without a drink.
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Posted By: Sledger
Date Posted: 01 March 2011 at 6:33am
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When the 15 were announced I wasn't too upset , but I do think Tremlett could have done a good job - he rattled the Aussies and I think he could have done that again.
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Posted By: dev_rt
Date Posted: 01 March 2011 at 8:53am
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3rd umpire referral system for LBW is bit tricky and our grounds are not well-equipped. Bell himself started walking and even captain didn't show any sign...maybe umpire gave him benefit of doubt as he was playing quite ahead of the wicket.. |