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Topic: Osama Bin Laden dead
Posted By: Clobber
Subject: Osama Bin Laden dead
Date Posted: 02 May 2011 at 10:18am
That's the day's big news story.
 

Osama bin Laden, the world's most wanted man, is dead, US president Barack Obama has announced.

The man who was the inspiration for countless acts of terror from the September 11 outrage to the July 7 London bombings was killed in a US operation in Pakistan.

He was holed up not in the mountains of Afghanistan but in a two-storey house a stone's throw from a Pakistani army base in Abbottabad, about 50 miles from the capital Islamabad.

President Obama said: "A small team of Americans carried out the operation with extraordinary courage and capability.

"No Americans were harmed. They took care to avoid civilian causalities. After a firefight they killed Osama bin Laden and took custody of his body."

David Cameron welcomed the development, saying it would "bring great relief to people across the world". He said: "It is a great success that he has been found and will no longer be able to pursue his campaign of global terror."

Jubilant crowds flocked to the White House and to Ground Zero in New York where the twin towers of the World Trade Centre stood until they were destroyed by two hijacked jets on September 11, 2001.

Relatives of al Qaida victims welcomed the news. Nigel Thompson, who worked as a stockbroker with Cantor Fitzgerald in the World Trade Centre, died at the age of 33.

His father Norman, from Sheffield, said: "I'm pleased, definitely. It doesn't bring our son back - we've lost him. People talk of closure. There's no such thing as closure because we have it every day. It's one of those difficult things. It would bring justice, definitely, but certainly no closure. It's an every day trial for us."

Amid the general relief there were warnings of a possible backlash from bin Laden's supporters. John Gearson, Reader in Terrorism Studies and Director of the Centre for Defence Studies at King's College London, said: "There will be concerns that there could be some sort of retaliation, that al Qaida may well want to demonstrate that they are still strong and still in the game."

 
Any thoughts on this guys?
 
I am also very interested to hear how this is being reported in Pakistan in particular, maybe zuhair can fill us in on this?



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Posted By: Mikey
Date Posted: 02 May 2011 at 10:21am
Yeh this one has been blasted all over the news, only Justin Bieber getting 'egged' has got more air time .

But seriously, let's try and not get too political with this issue and keep it nice and civilised. The feeling in Australia is that it really makes no difference, I take it most people would also harbour the same thoughts.

Definitely, would like to see Zuhair's views on this since he's right in the thick of things over in Pakistan. Are the journalists going rampant over there? What's the thoughts from the general, moderate, middle class of Pakistan?


Posted By: flipper
Date Posted: 02 May 2011 at 2:38pm
Lies lies and more lies. The picture is so badly photo shopped my 9 year old could do better.Thumbs Down

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Posted By: flipper
Date Posted: 02 May 2011 at 3:00pm
O.K, just been sent this from a friend in the U.S
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqDOt1ZNteE&feature=player_embedded - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqDOt1ZNteE&feature=player_embedded


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Posted By: sam_ahmed
Date Posted: 02 May 2011 at 7:03pm
A man because of whom almost every muslim across the world was looked upon as a terrorist is finally dead. A terrorist has no religion and I hope this is the first major step in eradicating terrorism from this world.

from a cricketing point of view, I hope this goes a long way in eliminating terrorism from Pakistan and hopefully we will see cricket return to Pakistan in near future, This must be such a big relief for all innocent Pakistani's and hopefully they will live a lot more peacefully from now on.


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Posted By: flipper
Date Posted: 02 May 2011 at 10:13pm

Fox News – December 26, 2001

Usama bin Laden has died a peaceful death due to an untreated lung complication, the Pakistan Observer reported, citing a Taliban leader who allegedly attended the funeral of the Al Qaeda leader.

“The Coalition troops are engaged in a mad search operation but they would never be able to fulfill their cherished goal of getting Usama alive or dead,” the source said.

Bin Laden, according to the source, was suffering from a serious lung complication and succumbed to the disease in mid-December, in the vicinity of the Tora Bora mountains. The source claimed that bin Laden was laid to rest honorably in his last abode and his grave was made as per his Wahabi belief.

About 30 close associates of bin Laden in Al Qaeda, including his most trusted and personal bodyguards, his family members and some “Taliban friends,” attended the funeral rites. A volley of bullets was also fired to pay final tribute to the “great leader.”

The Taliban source who claims to have seen bin Laden’s face before burial said “he looked pale … but calm, relaxed and confident.”

Asked whether bin Laden had any feelings of remorse before death, the source vehemently said “no.” Instead, he said, bin Laden was proud that he succeeded in his mission of igniting awareness amongst Muslims about hegemonistic designs and conspiracies of “pagans” against Islam. Bin Laden, he said, held the view that the sacrifice of a few hundred people in Afghanistan was nothing, as those who laid their lives in creating an atmosphere of resistance will be adequately rewarded by Almighty Allah.

When asked where bin Laden was buried, the source said, “I am sure that like other places in Tora Bora, that particular place too must have vanished.



Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 03 May 2011 at 12:45am
I have a few views on this.  My mind is somewhat like Flipper, I'm a bit skeptical about if it is really Bin Laden they found.  Another thing is, if it really is Bin Laden, then there will surely be retaliation.  They mightn't do it right away but it has to be at the back of the defenses of the respective countries mind.
 
And Sam has a good point too, many Muslims have been wrongly labelled due to these terrorist and its a fact.  For instance, by the time a local here spots a Muslim, they throw the terrorist joke (you can't blame them if anytime you hear of a terrorist you hear they are Muslims).
 
This is a suspicious thing here though, knowing the way people operate, I think they'd more kill the bodyguards etc and keep the prized possession alive for interrogation for further information.  Either that or one of Bin Laden men did as he use to instruct his men years ago that goes something like this, "if they come near me, shoot me instead of letting them kill me".


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Posted By: vote4peace
Date Posted: 04 May 2011 at 5:34am
What a huge loss to humanity. A sad day for man-kind. I for one will be walking around with a black band around my arm NOT.
 
 So Usama bin laden finally bites the dust. He had that one coming and I say with no remorse whatsoever that he got what he deserved. You reap what you sow ( para-phrase that Mr Laden!!).
My view on this is that of justice being done and a hint of caution too, for fear of retaliation, sad but that become of the world we live in.
 
I've read a lot of contradicting reports on this episodes effect/affect on the Qaeda. while a few believe that it could be blow them apart, others believe that they've grown a lot stronger and larger in the past ten years and are beyond this one man. Which one is true I don't know. All I knnow is the such misplaced, blunt, bogus and violent ideologies must not prevail.
 
Many all over the world are rejoicing esp in the United States. Guess the veil of despondency that had curtained them since 9/11 may have been lifted to a certain extend. But success lies not in the killing of this man but the demise of such ideologies. Peace!!!
 
Pssst... Just why on earth did Laden and his associates decide to zero in on a location just 800m away from the Pakistan military camp as his safe haven mansion I'll never understand.
 
 I figure this is how it(the decision) went.
 
 Laden aide : Osama we've mapped many places as possible hideouts. There's this place very secluded normal resident area. Far away from Islamabad or any other major cities...
 
 Laden : Hmmm.. What my other options.
 
 Laden's aide : Eh..well there's this place not very far from Islamabad in Abbottabad very close to a military camp.. but don't worry we got other options...
 
 Laden : No, No thats perfert. and make sure you build huge walls with barbwires on the top so that no one would suspect any thing


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Posted By: Sledger
Date Posted: 04 May 2011 at 6:20am
It took almost 10 years , but they got there in the end - a good result.

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Posted By: zuhair_abbasi
Date Posted: 05 May 2011 at 10:39am
Just imagine the same thing happened - but it was the Pakistani Army doing the operation and not the US army.  Who on earth would have believed the story that Pakistan army  killed him and then threw him in the open sea. Nonsense.  There was no  way on earth he would hide in a large compound just a few hundred yards away form the National Military Academy.

It is a farce. The US wanted a reason to prolong the stay in the region. It is as simple that they want to stay here longer and Pakistan is their next target.

And Sam, this wont ease Pakistan's troubles - it will only worsen them. America will now more openly operate in Pakistan for reasons well documented. And none of us actually know that it was Osama behind the 9/11 attacks - it may well have been America itself. It was the US itself who aided Osama during the USSR war - and loaded him with all the arms and ammunition. Now they call him the biggest terrorist when they (US) themselves have killed millions in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan. Huh. The reaction here in Pakistan is mixed - but hardly anyone believes the story that the Americans came here and killed Osama in the city area. There are no takers of this story. 

And Sam, it would not help the Muslim either -  would not call it a step towards eradicating a terrorist - because the terrorist in my view is some other country. Just my view though - you may all differ.

And this surely would not being cricket back to Pakistan. Al Qaeda was never a Pakistan phenomenon - it does not operate form or in Pakistan. We have the Talibans not the Al Qaeda. Pakistani problems will continue as long as the US stays in the region and I do not see them leaving the region  anytime soon - so no more cricket I am afraid.


Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 05 May 2011 at 1:28pm
Was waiting anxiously for your views Zuhair and you have made terrific points.  I know Flipper and I will agree to you, I don't believe it either, seems non-sense to me. 
 
I have heard the story about the USA probably being involved in the 9/11 attack but that aside, terrific post.  Shukria!


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Posted By: MalhotraRaj84
Date Posted: 05 May 2011 at 7:53pm
Why do cats keep their eyes closed when drinking milk , probably they think that by closing their eyes none in the world will get to know about it.

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Posted By: MalhotraRaj84
Date Posted: 05 May 2011 at 8:54pm

What a safe place he decided for a hideout , so near to the military camp , Americans were mislead searching in some lonely mountains, all the while he was in a safe custom built mansion. It's anybody's guess who gave them security and why he was there all the time. Anyways everything is in black and white for world, It always was. Good that it was not a joint operation else he would have sneaked somewhere else.



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Posted By: flipper
Date Posted: 05 May 2011 at 10:26pm

Originally posted by zuhair_abbasi

Just imagine the same thing happened - but it was the Pakistani Army doing the operation and not the US army.  Who on earth would have believed the story that Pakistan army  killed him and then threw him in the open sea. Nonsense.  There was no  way on earth he would hide in a large compound just a few hundred yards away form the National Military Academy.

 

It is a farce. The US wanted a reason to prolong the stay in the region. It is as simple that they want to stay here longer and Pakistan is their next target.

 

And Sam, this wont ease Pakistan's troubles - it will only worsen them. America will now more openly operate in Pakistan for reasons well documented. And none of us actually know that it was Osama behind the 9/11 attacks - it may well have been America itself. It was the US itself who aided Osama during the USSR war - and loaded him with all the arms and ammunition. Now they call him the biggest terrorist when they (US) themselves have killed millions in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan. Huh. The reaction here in Pakistan is mixed - but hardly anyone believes the story that the Americans came here and killed Osama in the city area. There are no takers of this story. 

 

And Sam, it would not help the Muslim either -  would not call it a step towards eradicating a terrorist - because the terrorist in my view is some other country. Just my view though - you may all differ.

 

And this surely would not being cricket back to Pakistan. Al Qaeda was never a Pakistan phenomenon - it does not operate form or in Pakistan. We have the Talibans not the Al Qaeda. Pakistani problems will continue as long as the US stays in the region and I do not see them leaving the region  anytime soon - so no more cricket I am afraid.

First class, bang on the money, agree 100%.

 

Originally posted by spin wizard

Was waiting anxiously for your views Zuhair and you have made terrific points.  I know Flipper and I will agree to you, I don't believe it either, seems non-sense to me. 

 

I have heard the story about the USA probably being involved in the 9/11 attack but that aside, terrific post.  Shukria!

Far too many people now know the truth; the lies just don’t wash anymore. You can’t have access to the internet and act dumb anymore as that doesn’t wash with me either.

……………………Those weapons of mass destruction got to  be somewhere……..as bush looks under the table and laughs!! No, not under here and laughs. Sorry, but the Uk and US people were duped. How many more live for oil and gas will there be. SICK.  



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Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 06 May 2011 at 4:46am
Well, the folks in the Caribbean always use to say that the war in Iraq was all about oil.  Caribbean people don't buy stories so easily.  Many of them hear don't believe this Bin Laden is dead story either.

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Posted By: zuhair_abbasi
Date Posted: 06 May 2011 at 7:50am
That is the strength of the propaganda folks. America's aim is to get access to the Central Asia for which Pakistan is the gateway through Afghanistan. Afghanistan is already in their control, all what they need now is to further weaken Pakistan for which they will find more reasons in the future. Another reason why the US wants to stay here is China's growing power - they would never want that to happen that soon - which is why they will keep supporting India to keep in check China's progress. It is all part of a great game in my view.


Posted By: zuhair_abbasi
Date Posted: 06 May 2011 at 7:57am
Originally posted by MalhotraRaj84

What a safe place he decided for a hideout , so near to the military camp , Americans were mislead searching in some lonely mountains, all the while he was in a safe custom built mansion. It's anybody's guess who gave them security and why he was there all the time. Anyways everything is in black and white for world, It always was. Good that it was not a joint operation else he would have sneaked somewhere else.

Listen mate, Pakistan Army is a joke. They are puppets of the Americans and the entire Pakistan nation hates its army. Americans have enough presence in Pakistan to know about Osama's whereabouts - there was no way he was hiding in the city area without anyone knowing that.

I don't know what exactly do you mean by black and white here. America's next target is to pressurize Pakistan to give away its nuclear assets. And the Indian media has already started cribbing over it - fearing that Pakistan can now use its nuclear weapons on India. What a joke. 




Posted By: Amal
Date Posted: 06 May 2011 at 5:07pm
Originally posted by zuhair_abbasi

  And the Indian media has already started cribbing over it - fearing that Pakistan can now use its nuclear weapons on India. What a joke. 


Haha what a joke by typical Indian media.  We have lost 30,000 innocent people in blasts and 5000 army personnels but we are still confused that who is killing us actually.  Still, whole world is saying that we are providing hideouts to alqiada(or what ever they are). what a joke


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Posted By: sam_ahmed
Date Posted: 06 May 2011 at 5:48pm
Good Post Amal.

Well I certainly do not have good knowledge on politics but the only reason I say it is good that Osama is dead is because he himself through various videos has claimed the responsibility of various terrorist attacks and if he has killed even one innocent soul in the name of religion or whatever, he deserves to be hanged just for that.

I'm not a big fan of the USA either and even I think that the war on Iraq was purely because of Oil.

I cannot comment much on America's plan on Pakistan or Asian countries because as I said I do not have good knowledge on this, but I certainly do not believe that PAK were assisting Osama in hiding there, As Amal has rightly pointed out PAK have suffered a lot and a lot  because of terrorism and it is very hard to believe that they are providing hideouts to the terrorist organizations.

Anyways, I hope and pray that all countries stay safe from terrorist attacks, the sooner we get rid of all these terrorists the better it is for the world. Lets hope for a better tomorrow, lets hope this world becomes a much better and safer place to live in.


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Posted By: Amal
Date Posted: 06 May 2011 at 6:01pm
Originally posted by sam_ahmed

Good Post Amal.

Anyways, I hope and pray that all countries stay safe from terrorist attacks, the sooner we get rid of all these terrorists the better it is for the world. Lets hope for a better tomorrow, lets hope this world becomes a much better and safer place to live in.

Ameen. But Sam, I'm not seeing any bright future for Pakistan. After the Killing of Osama (if the news is right) alqaida will show anger by doing blasts in big cities of Pakistan, as they did after laal Musjid incident and USA and some other countries are also showing their anger on Pakistan. I seriously don't know what will be our future


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Posted By: sam_ahmed
Date Posted: 06 May 2011 at 6:31pm
Originally posted by Amal

Originally posted by sam_ahmed

Good Post Amal.

Anyways, I hope and pray that all countries stay safe from terrorist attacks, the sooner we get rid of all these terrorists the better it is for the world. Lets hope for a better tomorrow, lets hope this world becomes a much better and safer place to live in.

Ameen. But Sam, I'm not seeing any bright future for Pakistan. After the Killing of Osama (if the news is right) alqaida will show anger by doing blasts in big cities of Pakistan, as they did after laal Musjid incident and USA and some other countries are also showing their anger on Pakistan. I seriously don't know what will be our future

Have faith Amal, inshallah everything will be fine. if we believe in God and have faith that he will protect us, that is sufficient for us. No terrorist, no threat, no evil is bigger than the almighty.


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Posted By: flipper
Date Posted: 06 May 2011 at 11:27pm

Sam those videos are just put together by the U.S to scare the American public in general, thankfully most are waking up to this but there are many brain washed in the world who fall for it hook line and sinker, dumb is too smaller word for it. The FBI has always said that he was never wanted for 911 because they had no proof. Those vids never looked anything like him anyway.

Obama has been a lame duck as expected, and was about to go down in history as the worst ever next to Bush 2, He needed this staged nonsense to regain popularity in my opinion.



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Posted By: MalhotraRaj84
Date Posted: 07 May 2011 at 6:17am

Yes I can see the power of propaganda, Pakistani general innocent public does not even have an idea of what their military and govt are doing all these years. They know ignorance is bliss and they very well know how to  make stories that divert attention from real problems on hand from general public.

Biggest ever joke on this forum is about blaming Indian media for their self inflicted misery and mess, come on get over it. India sees no reason to get into a slanging match with Pakistan at a time when the neighbouring country is clearly suffering huge embarrassment with so many uncomfortable questions that entire world is asking.Just denial won't work anymore.
 
Now regarding 911 or recent OBL hunt down speculations, well not even my my two cents for it. There are lot of consipiracy theories about those and we will have a thousand more stories.Yes anyone can photoshop and create thousands of conspiracy theories.Yes even 7 year old kid can.
It was true or staged or semi staged (I know you are gonna attack me, do it , then I will take advantage and clean up the brewing mess), I don't care a bit. One thing I can say is Americans are damn intelligent as they always have been , they know how to get things done.There is an age old beautiful saying in Hindi "Jab seedi unglie se ghee na nikle , tho ungli teedi kanri padthi hai" , which means when you can't take out butter from a straight finger,you got to crook your finger.
 
The trick is not to fall for it , the ground realities about the terrorism, its problems , how they are made , how they are braniswashed to the point that they believe that what they are doing in right and where it is brewing up is crystal clear. Left untreated will spread like a cancer.
 
I won't spend more time and energy here...you can educate an ignorant , but not brain washed and ill informed.
 
EDIT: Edit in italics


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Posted By: zuhair_abbasi
Date Posted: 07 May 2011 at 7:44am
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Yashwant-backs-Abbottabad-like-strike-by-India/articleshow/8183300.cms - http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Yashwant-backs-Abbottabad-like-strike-by-India/articleshow/8183300.cms  - true that Indian media takes no stock in this!!!

You have hit the nail on the head mate - left untreated is already spreading like a cancer - ground realities on terrorism clearly tell America is the biggest terrorist on the planet and we should all wok towards eradicating it - right?


Posted By: MalhotraRaj84
Date Posted: 07 May 2011 at 9:27am
Yes , I always hit the nail on the head, but sorry America is not a terrorist nation they are infact eliminating the terrorism that is brewing up in the world.It is a different aspects that they only consider 9/11 attack as major one and rest of the terrorist attack on other countries is meaningless for them. They don't keep quite like other nations and suffer, they have a tit for tat policy in place , they know how to get things done against terrorists, violent non-state actors, extremists who always wage a proxy war and kill innocent people and never come forward. The moment they are hunted down , they try to gather sympathy as it is very easy in the world to get it. They kill so many innocent people which never gets noticed.
 
The article that you brought , former Indian foreign minister is absolutely right in saying that evil guys like OBL and DI should be eliminated whever they are, which ever country they are as soon as possible to make the world a better place - Right ? If the governments where these terrorists hide can't eliminate them , then do you wait for ages before they die of natural death before producting 1000 such anti social elements , or before they kill thousands of innocent lives?  How long can anyone wait against them.
 
I know one thing for sure , good always wins over the bad , evil will eventually die out on its own in long run.Infact they kill one another and die out. Thousands of years of history suggests that evil intentions and people never win.They might have upper hand momentarily, but eventually it is the good that will previal over the bad.
 
How many more lives before the elimination of bad is the quesiton?.


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Posted By: zuhair_abbasi
Date Posted: 07 May 2011 at 9:34am
Ask Obama for the answer. America has history - from Nagasaki Herosehma to Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan and now Pakistan - how many more lives before the elimination is the question indeed. 




Posted By: MalhotraRaj84
Date Posted: 07 May 2011 at 9:44am
What does a man do when mosquito sits his  body to suck the blood? Will the man happily allow mosquito to suck blood or just smash it ? 
 
Now the facts , know the history properly.


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Posted By: zuhair_abbasi
Date Posted: 07 May 2011 at 10:28am
Smash the mosquito and everyone who looks like a mosquito or lives nearby. But I learnt in my childhood - there is no point banging the head on the wall. 


Posted By: MalhotraRaj84
Date Posted: 07 May 2011 at 10:47am

Yes without a doubt. In my childhood I used to believe that everyone can be educated about what is right and what is wrong and entire world can live in love and harmony. As the grew up , I understood that people lose logic and fail to understand or accept the real truth , selectively assume and imagine things, believe in only what they want to believe, forget the thousands of years of history , learn nothing from it and become complete morons and say "hey 1+1 is 3", unfortunately we can't explain that 1+1 accounts to 2 to someone who fundamentally learnt that "1+1" is 3.

This is the precise reason why the terrorists are to be finished as soon as possible, before their poison engulfs many. They poison so many minds so much that those who do the wrong deeds never realise what they have become and what they are doing to themselves.

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Posted By: sam_ahmed
Date Posted: 07 May 2011 at 11:38am
Listen guys, The terrorists are not good neither are the Americans any angels or "saviors" of the world. everyone does a lot of things for their own benefit and terrorists say they are doing it for people of their religion while Americans say they are doing it for their people and "to save the world", we need not waste our time in talking about these people because they are not worth spending time up on. Bottom line is both Terrorists and Americans are killing innocent people for which they will get punished on the day of Judgement and that will be a very very bad punishment. 

As for relations between India and Pakistan, well they will continue to blame each other for ever, continue to fight for ever, I do not even care about what these politicians say, I consider all of them to be corrupt and they speak only for their benefit and to get some votes. Instead of wasting our time on them Lets enjoy the game we love the most... Cricket!


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Posted By: flipper
Date Posted: 08 May 2011 at 1:02pm
Originally posted by zuhair_abbasi


You have hit the nail on the head mate - left untreated is already spreading like a cancer - ground realities on terrorism clearly tell America is the biggest terrorist on the planet and we should all wok towards eradicating it - right?
Don't forget the U.K, their partners in crime.
Did you also know that the London 7/7 bombers never made the train in Luton because that particular train was cancelled, hence they could not have made london in the time spam. The Truth is out there, if you can be bothered to take the time out and look for yourself.
 


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Posted By: zuhair_abbasi
Date Posted: 09 May 2011 at 6:57am
Nothing surprises me any more mate. 9/11, 7/7 and the Mumbai attack - all have one motive. Lo, it is a sign for those who are wise!!!


Posted By: MalhotraRaj84
Date Posted: 09 May 2011 at 7:24am
There are two sayings  that comes to my mind every time when world is trying to get rid of terrorists, these sayings are about some 3000 years old , one says which is the last option against evil forces “Dandam Dasha Gunam Bhaveth” – One stick imparts ten virtuous qualities.This is something like try all other options try to explain, dialogue etc etc etc and if nothing works in the end , then it's the punishment that works best for the beasts.
 
The second one I don't exaclty remember the quote in Sanskrit , but its meaning is like "To remove a thorn you need anothor thorn". How true it is.
 
No wonder these are the last options as a route for cure, but this is what has happened to our world.These terrorist organisations will never realise what they are , they are like "Koopa Manduka", means a frog in the well , they will never know what they are doing is wrong , keep killing thousands without putting a face.
 
Though retaliation is the last option , but you need firm steps aganist these terrorist organisations who do all the hide and seek and attack from behind. Try to gather sympathy.


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Posted By: vote4peace
Date Posted: 09 May 2011 at 10:10am
Though I'll give it some time , allow things to settle down a bit before posting on this thread. There has , not surprisingly, been a surge of conspiracy theories and hypothesis running around leading to the death , understandably most of them emanating from Pakistan, their ppl and their media ( the same media that audaciously blamed India for the attack on the SL cricketers, for the record I do not think highly of the Indian media either). Quite a few takers for these stories too, I read, that believe the whole thing was merely an eyewash, a hoodwink, nothing but a beautifully constructed Big Fat Lie.  I respect everyones right to have his/her own opinion, but i find that hard to buy (Mind you, This Not the prejudise views of an Indian). I've been following the events for the past few days and have found reasons to believe the authenticity of the story.

Yes this isn't the first we've heard of Osama's death, but this be the first time any US president has made an official annoucement claiming reponsibility for his death. No big fan of his, But Obama would've to be really naive or stupid to lay his career and reputation on the line based on a bluff, a fable story. I highly doubt that. Such stories would never stick forever esp a news of such gargantuan proportion .  Could you imagine what be of him in the eventuality of his hoax falling apart. The people and the media would rip right into him. Realize that all Osama or Al-Queda had to do was to release a video, to prove the contrary and leave the Americans and their government in tatters. Instead they gone on to acknowledge his death and have vowed to strike back.

But what really dispelled any doubts over the legitimacy was none other than the official  statements made by some of the top honchos of the Pakistan government and Army institutes viz.  their President, PM, their foreign secretary, their Army chief to name a notable few. I mean, these are the ppl who utimately are gonna be at fault for this shame. Those are the shoulders where the blames will finally rest. And all of them literally acknowledges the story as bone fide and goes on to lament the collective intelligence failures of Pakistan and the world by large, and have asked everyone to stop suspecting and blaming them as they too are the 'victims' over here.
 These be the men who are closest to the ground realities than any of us or the "media".  If they had suspect anything fishy or the slightlest semblance of any deciet they would have gone up in arms and vehemently denied and cried foul (from the past we know they good at taht) to save their behinds.   None of them have patronaged to any such wild conspiracy theories.  In the aftermath of all this the ISI chief is said to be considering resignation his post for such an intelligence fuax pas .  That should clearly explain whether they horbour any thoughts of foul play.

News is that Osama's Yemeni wife, who is in the captive of the Pakistan authorities, has told the Pakistan interrogators that they've(Osama and family) been living there for the past five years.  If all of these fail to convince you I'm afraid nothing will.
For the past few days realization has struck many within the media and the citizen of Pakistan have come out of their denial state and are now angered with the happenings while sadly many others have also held rallies patronizing Osama as some martyr.

I've said none of this with any malicious intentions. I clearly do not wish to put the boot into anyone over here, or get into a slanging match with my Pakistani friends.
I strongly believe this unfortunate episode that had occured in your country shouldn't put any of you in a poor light. The commoner from Pakistan or India should never be put to shame cos a few morons, at the helm of their countries, continue to botch up, time and again.


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Posted By: flipper
Date Posted: 09 May 2011 at 12:32pm
Originally posted by vote4peace

Yes this isn't the first we've heard of Osama's death, but this be the first time No big fan of his, But Obama would've to be really naive or stupid to lay his career and reputation on the line based on a bluff, a fable story. I highly doubt that. Such stories would never stick forever esp a news of such

Obama just does what he's told and will not upset his money men backers, How else does a none American born get to office. Everyone knows or should know that large corporations run the U.S along with the military industrial complex, which needs wars to make more money. America can't declare war on another nation its against its constitution. So, its relies on FALSE FLAG Opps in order to go to war. Look through history and you will find the U.S always strikes back after first being attacked, strange that.



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Posted By: zuhair_abbasi
Date Posted: 09 May 2011 at 12:35pm
And keep everybody at war to keep their weapon industry running!!! It won't be long before America invents another enemy - and takes 10 years to find and kill him


Posted By: vote4peace
Date Posted: 09 May 2011 at 2:47pm
Forgive me my friends, but I can't help get the feeling that those view are slightly myopic. You tend to see only what you want to , believe exactly what you wish to and understand whatever suit you.
 
I do not intend to debate on this , I've taken that route many times and everytime it hits a dead end.
 
 You come across as sensible ppl so I'll say this much and wind up...
 The truth sometimes does hurts and ppl tend get self-delusional and are quick to blame others for their woes. Blame is a lazy man's wages, unless your God  or  a small child.


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Posted By: Clobber
Date Posted: 09 May 2011 at 2:56pm
Originally posted by flipper

How else does a none American born get to office.



I am pretty sure that Hawaii is part of America......


Posted By: flipper
Date Posted: 09 May 2011 at 9:54pm
Originally posted by Clobber

Originally posted by flipper

How else does a none American born get to office.



I am pretty sure that Hawaii is part of America......
I'm Absolutely sure that Hawaii is part of America......Wink


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Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 10 May 2011 at 5:21am
Raj, where many money lies, it's very easy to turn a man into a beast!  Basically, what i'm trying to say is, you can't put anything past anyone.  The Americans maybe on a hoax or they maybe correct.  All I do know is that America has their agenda and that's very clear for anyone to see.  I don't like terrorists, what they're doing so if they are weeding them out, then good but I don't think it's just that alone.

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Posted By: vote4peace
Date Posted: 10 May 2011 at 8:31am
Originally posted by spin wizard

....  All I do know is that America has their agenda and that's very clear for anyone to see.  I don't like terrorists, what they're doing so if they are weeding them out, then good but I don't think it's just that alone.


  I'm with you on that spin wizard, I ain't under the false notion that the Americaans are saints or the saviours of the planet. They do have their own crooked agendas and I resent to most/some of them . I mean Iraq, Vietnam, Afganisthan... They learn nothing from history and they don't intend to. They nothing but a highly pompous, pretencious, narcissistic bunch and don't give a tiny rat's bottom to the rest of the world.

  But at the same I'm also under no illusion that Osama's just an innocent bait being framed, or the US behind the 9/11 attacks (contrary to the what many may postulate) and all that being a pretext to carry out their false propganda's. I don't know any of their other agendas to be in Pakistan other than clean up their mess. Either way I think if the Pakistan authorities can't get their own house in order on their own (They like to believe that anytime something goes wrong their has to be someone else to blame, just couldn't feasibly be of their own making) this can't be bad not only for them but also for their neighbour's who too may have to bear the brunt of their neglegence at times.  Yes their neighbour's too aren't far behind in neglegent scoffers and fools at the top.

 And like always they just not ready to accept to the possibily of Osama being found in their own backyard, and has been harbouring their for quite a while. Instead they like to believe the notions that suit their liking.   Not Surprised am I , but Sorry I am!!


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Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 12 May 2011 at 4:16am

I can see where you are coming from V4P.  All i'll just finish off with is that this story is very fishy.  Even the Iranians have another story, about America trying to distract the world from their current economic position etc and that they had reliable information that Osama died sometime ago from some illness. LOL Look, i'll tell you guys one thing, if this was in any Island in the Caribbean, we surely would have known who is what. 



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Posted By: Amal
Date Posted: 13 May 2011 at 7:08am
Originally posted by vote4peace



For the past few days realization has struck many within the media and the citizen of Pakistan have come out of their denial state and are now angered with the happenings while sadly many others have also held rallies patronizing Osama as some martyr.

 Not many others Dear. Only a banned outfit Jamat-ut-dawah hold a rally in favor of Osama. Yup citizens of Pakistan are confused about the realities because our government never try to tell their clear policy to us. They are just busy in collecting money for them.
Some people are saying that America is fighting against terrorism. Oh really Please for God sake America has their own agendas and history is approving it. First they created this manic (Al-Queada and Usama bin laden) and used them against USSR in 1980's war and now they are fighting against them. Haha what a joke. In between we suffered that time by Making Russia as one of our enemy and we are suffering even now and this war has created so much confusions and divisions in our public But America and our Government is not interested to remove those confusions from our mind. Zuhair i think we need a good leader Like Quaid- e-Azam who can unite us, who can convey our questions to America, who can remove our confusions, who can make us proud to be Pakistanis.
Meanwhile A backlash has been started. Twin blasts in Peshawar and Charsada have killed 70 innocent citizens and wounded at least 100 people. Now Guys tell me who is suffering more from this War, Pakistanis or America. America always say that they will never forget 9/11 then what about the killings of 1000's of our people, how can we forget it. We live here, we know more about the ground realities. International media just try to convey their side of the story to their Public. there many CIA operators here in Pakistan. Big example is Raymond davis. he killed our 3 citizens without any reason. Mr John kerry specially came here for his release. if they give such importance to their citizens even if they are culprit how can we tolerate drone attacks in Pakistan in which many innocent citizens have been killed and 1 sided US raids in Pakistan. If they want cooperation from us and want to finish the anger of Pakistani public against them, first they have to finish this discrimination.


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Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 13 May 2011 at 1:41pm
Huge attack in Pakistan, that's a lot of people killed.  Word is the talibans have said it's a retaliation against the pakistani's for their poor works in the Bin Laden fiasco.
 
Well, as far as we are told, the Pakistani's and American created the talibans - look how things comeback to haunt you.  What you sow, you reap!  Sad to say, that's the harsh reality!  I wish these things would stop but it doesn't seem like it's ever going to end.


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Posted By: flipper
Date Posted: 17 May 2011 at 10:33am

For the second Sunday in a row, network programming was interrupted for a news flash on May 9th. President Obama appeared on all major networks and cable TV to announce that Elvis Presley had been found alive and well in Pakistan!

Obama stated, "For decades the American public has speculated on whether Elvis was dead or alive. In eight years of the Bush administration, we heard not one word. I am proud to announce that a Special Forces team from the USO has located him and pictures and DNA have confirmed it. Elvis is still with us! Aint nothn but a hound dog still lives on in the hearts and minds of his countrymen."

Obama abruptly left the podium in the Green Room. Speculation is rampant.

First reports state that Presley was found right in the middle of Islamabad and under the very nose of the Pakistani government. A spokesman was quick to respond: "We know nothing about Mr. Presley and his being here. It is not our job, I repeat, not our job, to know of every American rock star that comes to live in our country seeking freedom of expression. But I will say this to the American government, if you make any attempt to take Elvis from us we will retaliate in the most extreme measures. We will flood the US film market with Pakistani movies! If the Americans think enhanced interrogation is cruel and unusual punishment, well, they haven't seen anything yet!"

 

Evidently, Mr. Presley was found living in luxurious conditions with several seventy-five year old groupies of mixed national origin. When the USO swat team first entered the compound, Presley and the groupies were huddled under a blanket watching old video tapes of The Ed Sullivan Show. One of the groupies wearing a mini-skirt and spike heels tried to stab a member of the team with a needle from an old Victrola. No injuries were reported.

In related news a source within the Obama administration, speaking on condition of anonymity, has stated that the US has offered Pakistan an additional thirty billion dollars in aide plus Pat Boone for the return of Elvis.



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