West Indies in England (2012)
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Topic: West Indies in England (2012)
Posted By: sam_ahmed
Subject: West Indies in England (2012)
Date Posted: 10 May 2012 at 7:28pm
Finally International cricket re-starts as the English Summer begins... This should be a tight series as I expect the WI to give ENG a good run for their money... and Gayle force will be back for the ODI's!
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Posted By: Sledger
Date Posted: 11 May 2012 at 7:11am
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I can't agree Sam - in seaming conditions I see the Windies batsmen really struggling against Anderson and company. It's damn cold in England just now and if the rain doesn't interrupt too often I see England winning all three tests. Not a great start against England Lions yesterday - the 2nd string seam attack dismissed the tourists for just 147 - a fine score in snooker but poor in cricket! At the close the Lions were 40-1. ------------- Mental disintegration works for me !! |
Posted By: sam_ahmed
Date Posted: 11 May 2012 at 6:38pm
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They'll definately pose a challenge in the LOI's sledge, in fact I'd say WI are favts in LOI's... in tests of course ENG start off as favorites but WI can fight it out if the likes of Bravo, Samuels and Chanders play well. I think Ravi Rampaul will do some serious damage with the ball. He is THE man to look out for this series, I rate him very highly. ------------- God is a better planner... so whenever u'r plan fails, cheer up... God has a better plan for you! |
Posted By: Clobber
Date Posted: 12 May 2012 at 12:14am
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Well Sam, so far in very helpful conditions for bowlers they are being hugely outperformed by England's up and coming bowlers Brooks, Coles and Meaker in the Lions match. As for the limited overs, it remains to be seen whether guys like Pollard will get away with plonking their front foot down the wicket and hitting through the line when the ball is swinging and seaming all over the place. I make England very heavy favourites for the Tests, with the limited overs stuff about evens at this stage. James Taylor's stock fell somewhat over the course of a pretty poor winter with the Lions, and he has scarcely made a run for Notts, but his century today is a handy reminder of his undoubted talents and I hope he kicks on for a good year. |
Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 12 May 2012 at 12:23am
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The Tests will be one sided, rain is the only thing that will save West Indies. I expect Windies bowling to pose problems, but as far as the batting goes, it would surprise me if they manage to pass 200 in an innings. ODI's and T20 will be closer though. ------------- In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage. |
Posted By: sam_ahmed
Date Posted: 12 May 2012 at 9:00am
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They might do better once the acclimatize to the conditions Clobs, but I agree with Spinny and Clobs, WI batting is the major problem in test matches. These days we don't often see bowling friendly pitches for LOI's, they don't just have one or two but a series of big hitters who if well set can absolutely tear apart a bowling attack which is why I'd say WI should win the LOI's... we are talking about Gayle, Pollard, Russel, Sammy and Dwayne Smith... ------------- God is a better planner... so whenever u'r plan fails, cheer up... God has a better plan for you! |
Posted By: MalhotraRaj84
Date Posted: 13 May 2012 at 8:51am
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Not looking much into tour match, but still there is some good news for WI, 377/8 in their second dig, though against much weaker lineup. Every batsman seems to be in some sort of groove , which augers well for WI.When the 1st test starts , everything could be different. Top class English bowlers at home conditions that suit them may run through WI line up. First WI innings will be the key, they should not bother about scoring rate and just try to score a decent total of 400 and above.Barath,Powell,Edwards,Bravo,Chanderpaul and Samuels is a decent enough line up. They need to be patient and take session by session, not look at the reputation of English bowlers.All WI need is to put one little doubt in English bowlers mind. England have become No1 team but since getting that coveted crown have only won 1 test and lost 4. From England's point of view, all they need to do is get WI under 200 runs at Lords.If that happens WI batsman will not recover for rest of the series. England should easily win this 3-0. If by chance WI pull out a drawn series , then seriously I would call this England team as " The No 1. that wasn't". Player to watch out for: Ravi Rampaul ( if he can swing it as good as he is capable of , could be a real threat to England's plans). ------------- Race to No 1 again ... started! |
Posted By: Sledger
Date Posted: 14 May 2012 at 7:36am
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A comfortable 10 wicket win in the end and some serious concerns in the bowling department of the visitors. Kemar Roach didn't bowl at all in the 2nd innings after being hit on his right hand whilst batting. Add to that his twisted ankle from the 1st innings and Fidel Edward's frail back and you can appreciate the worries in their camp before Thursday's test. I hope they're both fit because I want to see the English batsmen facing genuine pace throughout this series before Steyn , Morkel and company arrive in July.
------------- Mental disintegration works for me !! |
Posted By: Clobber
Date Posted: 17 May 2012 at 10:35am
| This gets underway shortly, Strauss has won the toss and opted to bowl unsurprisingly. Bresnan plays ahead of Finn and Onions - understandable really, but they ought to be looking to get Finn into the side at the moment in my opinion, even if it means losing Bresnan's batting ability.. |
Posted By: Clobber
Date Posted: 17 May 2012 at 10:40am
| Rampaul out for the Windies, Shannon Gabriel comes in for him |
Posted By: mystery
Date Posted: 17 May 2012 at 11:55am
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Finally come real cricket. This is soooooooooo better than the useless 20 overs money machine.
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Posted By: sam_ahmed
Date Posted: 17 May 2012 at 7:27pm
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WI struggling once again, Chanders batting still once again... it's the same old story once again! ------------- God is a better planner... so whenever u'r plan fails, cheer up... God has a better plan for you! |
Posted By: Clobber
Date Posted: 18 May 2012 at 8:31am
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I think the Windies at least battled hard for the most part - Samuels perhaps excepted; he seemed to have done all the hard work, then suddenly decided he needed to play some shots and threw it all away. Despite the figures, Anderson was the pick of the bowlers yesterday, although as a Broad supporter I think it is fair enough that he picked up a hatful yesterday after all the times he has bowled sensationally to end up with 1 or 2 poles whilst Anderson runs through the tail for a 5-for. |
Posted By: Sledger
Date Posted: 18 May 2012 at 9:32am
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Right again Clobs , I thought Jimmy was outstanding throughout the day. Is there another bowler able to swing the ball predigiously both ways and with such fantastic control ? That inducker to the right handers is a belter and the one going the other way that got Powell shouldering arms was fantastic ! The look on his face as he trudged off was one of utter bewilderment - superb bowling , out of the top drawer. Chanderpaul really is the glue that holds this batting together and they must look at getting him up the order. He looked rock solid except when Swann had him lbw and they didn't review it! His chances of making a hundred can't be too good though , there's two balls left in Broad's over and that might just be enough to wrap the innings up. Well done Stuart Broad - just the 7th Englishman to get on both honours boards at Lords - great effort! What's a good score on this wicket ? I think 350 is about par and with England batting down to 10 (sorry Jimmy !) you'd expect them to go past that - I expect them to bat well into tomorrow and maybe just the once. I'm looking forward to seeing Bairstow bat - the lad's got something about him. ------------- Mental disintegration works for me !! |
Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 19 May 2012 at 12:47am
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No surprise with windies batting really. And damn, Anderson was really getting swing. Sad that I can't see as much test Cricket as I could due to work. Nonetheless, Windies is a good bowling team. Whilst they should lose, I don't expect their bowling to be treated as badly as England did India. Windies did make a big mistake by not playing Shillingford. Fidel Edwards is a big waste of time, I don't know why the media keeps on saying Windies have a good pace attack and includes Edwards name. After 10 years of cricket, his average is 35+. Please God, let Ravi Rampaul be fit for the next test match! Marlon Samuels is another that needs discarding for good. 11 years of Cricket and can barely average 30!! ------------- In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage. |
Posted By: sam_ahmed
Date Posted: 19 May 2012 at 11:57am
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WI have got 5 wickets and the lead is around about 50, but as Sledge has mentioned ENG have a good lower order, they bat deep till No.10 and hence the job is far from being done for the WI. ------------- God is a better planner... so whenever u'r plan fails, cheer up... God has a better plan for you! |
Posted By: sam_ahmed
Date Posted: 19 May 2012 at 1:00pm
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WI have fought back to some extent today, their bowling as expected is much better, 7 down now England and WI need to somehow wrap this up quickly, lead is around 100 now. ------------- God is a better planner... so whenever u'r plan fails, cheer up... God has a better plan for you! |
Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 19 May 2012 at 2:47pm
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Windies got a good bowling attack, basically using only 4 men for the last year or so and really keeping teams in check. Their major weakness has been allowing the last 3 batsmen score plenty runs.
------------- In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage. |
Posted By: sam_ahmed
Date Posted: 20 May 2012 at 11:35am
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Hats off for Chanders, once again the man is fighting it out! superb stuff by Chanderpaul again. 135/4 the WI, rain predicted on final day, they need to ensure they get a decent lead here, samuels, sammy and Ramdin need to support Chanderpaul as much as they can. ------------- God is a better planner... so whenever u'r plan fails, cheer up... God has a better plan for you! |
Posted By: sam_ahmed
Date Posted: 20 May 2012 at 1:30pm
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superb partnership between Chanderpaul and Samuels... 212/4, game on! ------------- God is a better planner... so whenever u'r plan fails, cheer up... God has a better plan for you! |
Posted By: MalhotraRaj84
Date Posted: 20 May 2012 at 6:04pm
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191 to win for England. ENG should knock this down with max 2/3 wickets down, but still WI have done themselves proud  .(I know match is not over till the last run isn't scored,but then I am talking about the most probable outcome) ------------- Race to No 1 again ... started! |
Posted By: Mikey
Date Posted: 21 May 2012 at 5:48am
| England have stumbled, losing 2 late wickets for only 10 runs. Windies have a statistical chance to win here if they can get a couple more early wickets tomorrow. We know England have a long batting line up, but it's the same line up that has struggled for the last couple of months, albeit abroad. Windies have a decent attack, who can be just as useful as the England attack in these conditions if they have some confidence and can hold their nerve. Hopefully it's a tight, exciting finish! |
Posted By: Sledger
Date Posted: 21 May 2012 at 6:17am
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Credit due , the Windies batters really dug in and have given themselves a chance of a win. 2 down , but one of them's Jimmy , so they still must be warm favourites to get the 181 still required. The pitch is as good as you'll see on day 5 in England and sensible batting is all that's needed. Fine job by Stuart Broad - 11 wickets in a match is a tremendous effort , especially when you're fellow bowlers are all serious wicket takers. It's been a good contest , the difference between the sides can probably be put down to the toss - the Windies had to bat in the toughest conditions of the entire match on day 1. If the ball refuses to swing again , this should go the home side's way , but if it does swing we could see an upset. ------------- Mental disintegration works for me !! |
Posted By: sam_ahmed
Date Posted: 21 May 2012 at 5:48pm
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ah! WI gave a good fight but it just wasn't enough in the end, they were some 100 runs short of a good target and one has to say a slightly better first innings performance could have made the difference. Cook and Bell played well though, WI had their moments but these two ensured nothing else goes wrong. The 2nd test promises to be a thriller as well. ------------- God is a better planner... so whenever u'r plan fails, cheer up... God has a better plan for you! |
Posted By: Sledger
Date Posted: 22 May 2012 at 8:14am
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Comfortable in the end , but not before a typical wobble from the English top order. The positive approach in the run chase was especially pleasing after the nightmare against Pakistan , but the difference in quality of the two attacks is huge. Roach is a real speedster and at the batsmen all the time , but he lacked support. Saqlain wouldn't have got much turn , but his psychological effect on the batsmen might just have caused further jitters. Maybe a spinner should be included for Trent Bridge for this reason alone , but it's swing that wins matches in Nottingham. Expect Anderson to be top English wicket taker up there and if Rampaul's fit , for him to make inroads as well. England should win and win well , but they're still not firing on all cylinders. Bresnan might find himself on the sidelines even though his record now reads - tests played 12 - test wins 12 !! He bowled alright , but Finn or Onions might well be more effective. It probably won't happen - this team doesn't swap and change , especially after winning , but it should be discussed. A final thought - does anyone agree with me that the best way to unsettle Cook is to bowl from around the wicket? He seems to play at deliveries that should be left well alone. ------------- Mental disintegration works for me !! |
Posted By: Clobber
Date Posted: 22 May 2012 at 9:06am
| I think Bresnan will play in Nottingham purely because it is such a swing bowler's ground - if it was more like a 1970's Oval pitch then Finn would be the man. |
Posted By: zuhair_abbasi
Date Posted: 22 May 2012 at 10:42am
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Posted By: Mikey
Date Posted: 22 May 2012 at 3:31pm
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Haha! To equate Shillingford to Saqlain is a big compliment to the former! WI did miss out, but to be fair they put up a fight and they will certainly be respected greatly for their dogged batting in the second innings. Much like the Australia series, they look excellent in some sessions but can't maintain and intensity for long periods. Samuels and Chanderpaul are the key players, as they are both able to knuckle down and place a great value on their wickets. Can the top order emulate their efforts? |
Posted By: sam_ahmed
Date Posted: 22 May 2012 at 7:26pm
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Shillingford = Saqlain!!! lolzzz, Shilling won't mind that though! There are calls for Gayle to join the squad early as his IPL franchise are knocked out of the competition, will the selectors respond though? ------------- God is a better planner... so whenever u'r plan fails, cheer up... God has a better plan for you! |
Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 23 May 2012 at 3:27am
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Word is Gayle is flying over to England tomorrow, and should be playing in the 3rd test. We'll see how that rumour turns out. Folks back home here always get all the latest update before the media does. We knew Tino Best was heading England way before the news was released. On the test match, i'm proud of windies, didn't think the test would have lasted until day 5. 191 wasn't going to be enough, England bats to #10. Windies bowling has been really commendable recently. Even Sammy has been nipping out top quality batsmen. Kemar Roach has been outstanding since the Australian ODI's. They need Ravi Rampaul in, Fidel Edwards out. Shannon Gabriel is going home injured, Shillingford should play ahead of him, but hey, we know what Trent Bridge is famous for. Going by that, I expect England to do much better. Can't see Anderson bowling any better though, he got the ball to swing wickedly at Lord's. Bowled much better than Broad as far as i'm concerned, but not lucky enough. ------------- In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage. |
Posted By: MalhotraRaj84
Date Posted: 23 May 2012 at 8:20pm
Agreed one of the bowler was injured while Roach was tired , but still he could have brought him in short bursts just before the break and after the break.I guess he was too worried about the over rate and penalty.You can't put yourself ahead of victory, that too against England when your team had done a great job in take 4 quick wickets ( effectively 3). Bell , was really happy facing Samuels and Sammy. ------------- Race to No 1 again ... started! |
Posted By: Sledger
Date Posted: 24 May 2012 at 7:59am
Just comparing the run chases - with Saqlain killing England off with guile and highlighting the Windies lack of such skills in this test match. If the Windies had a talent like Saqlain England just might have bottled it. ------------- Mental disintegration works for me !! |
Posted By: Sledger
Date Posted: 24 May 2012 at 8:03am
Yes Raj , the over rate must've worried Sammy but bowling himself and Samuels didn't do him any good - he was fined 80% of his match fee for slow over rate ! ------------- Mental disintegration works for me !! |
Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 24 May 2012 at 11:24pm
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Sledger, are you confusing Saqlain with Ajmal??
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Posted By: Clobber
Date Posted: 25 May 2012 at 11:16am
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game is underway, England unchanged, West Indies bring in Rampaul and Shillingford for Gabriel and Edwards; something of a risk considering Rampaul and Roach are probably not 100% fit. Windies won the toss and batted. Pitch looks slightly on the slow side but will presumably get quicker over the next couple of days. First wicket has just fallen, a terrific catch by Anderson at 3rd slip off Broad. |
Posted By: zuhair_abbasi
Date Posted: 25 May 2012 at 11:17am
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Baffling to see Barath continuing - he as mastered single digit scores
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Posted By: sam_ahmed
Date Posted: 25 May 2012 at 4:41pm
I do rate Barath, he looks good but yes he is running out of time. If Gayle and Simmons do come back then both the current openers might be out of the side. ------------- God is a better planner... so whenever u'r plan fails, cheer up... God has a better plan for you! |
Posted By: Clobber
Date Posted: 25 May 2012 at 8:41pm
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A day of two halves there, all England then a terrific battle put up by Samuels and Sammy. The wicket went awfully flat in the afternoon session, amply demonstrated by someone with as basic a technique as Sammy's scoring runs so easily, so I reckon at least another 100 is needed before Windies have a par score. It will get harder to bat on probably around day 4 so if either side can get a handy first innings lead they'll be in the box seat. |
Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 26 May 2012 at 4:12am
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By the way i've seen a few balls behave, Shillingford should enjoy using this pitch in the 2nd innings. Very good recovery from West Indies and a more disciplined bowling attack this time around. Day 1 is still very early in the game but very good batting by Samuels and Sammy to at least have them in a comfortable position.
------------- In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage. |
Posted By: sam_ahmed
Date Posted: 26 May 2012 at 6:27pm
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Strauss hitting his second ton in two games... WI on the back foot again now and need to ensure they don't allow ENG to go too far ahead. Roach's no-balls are disgusting. ------------- God is a better planner... so whenever u'r plan fails, cheer up... God has a better plan for you! |
Posted By: Clobber
Date Posted: 27 May 2012 at 1:21am
| Another ton for Strauss, lovely knock too, but KP looked in terrific form, and you have to think that unless WI nail him early on tomorrow, he is going to make a big score. |
Posted By: Clobber
Date Posted: 27 May 2012 at 11:24am
| ahh well they nailed him early when I was looking forward to a KP masterclass all day |
Posted By: Mikey
Date Posted: 27 May 2012 at 2:52pm
| Match is quite evenly poised - England need to get that 100+ lead to really seal the game methinks. Samuels has been in wonderful form, really has complemented Chanderpaul quite well, while Sammy has justified his spot in the side with this lower order ton. Don't see many 100s from no.8 these days. |
Posted By: Mikey
Date Posted: 27 May 2012 at 4:32pm
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England only take a 59 lead and Samuels cleans up the last 2 wickets! What a game he is having!? What an excellent match, we've seen wickets, centuries and a decent run rate!? Windies are really competitve these days, and they are pushing England hard here. Hopefully the Windies can muster up a 300 target for England, that'd be exciting. |
Posted By: Clobber
Date Posted: 27 May 2012 at 7:28pm
| They'll do well do get a 300 lead now. This Windies side seems to be competitive in matches up to a point, then let it all slip. They did exactly the same in the series against Australia, they did so at Lords and have done so here in abundance - it's a team going in the right direction, but one that desperately needs to learn how to win games. |
Posted By: mystery
Date Posted: 28 May 2012 at 2:23am
The Windies recipe is missing a superstar/ Gayle - Narine. ------------- Rohit Sharma - What the world has seen is gear 1, gear speed 2,3,4,5,7,8,9 to be witnessed in IPL only. |
Posted By: Sledger
Date Posted: 28 May 2012 at 5:48am
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Another match that the Windies have competed really well before having a nightmare session. 61-6 and just 3 runs ahead means that this match won't see lunchtime today. Tim Bresnan showed that bowling straight on a pitch that's a little up and down will pay great dividends. DRS got plenty of airing , but Bravo's decision to contest has to be one of the daftest - you can't get more plumb than that one! It's a great pity that the day finished as it did - the Windies attack did an exceptional job to reel in the English batsmen. Strauss struggled yesterday , probably a combination of good bowling and a lack of fluency after such a fine display on Saturday. Poor old Edwards simply can't buy a run and will be very fortunate to play in the final test. So will Gayle get back ? They need someone to give them a decent start - Chanderpaul didn't look anywhere near as comfortable against the newer ball yesterday , cementing his #6 spot , rather than any place higher.
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Posted By: Mikey
Date Posted: 28 May 2012 at 9:23am
Windies are great at getting one excited and then they just disappoint. They are a talented side, no doubt, some of the guys in their side are truly world class. They're really lacking that killer instinct, that same instinct that makes England a world beater. |
Posted By: sam_ahmed
Date Posted: 28 May 2012 at 7:00pm
what they are missing Clobs is a good solid top order... someone like Chris Gayle who can intimidate any damn bowler in the world, someone with good all round abilities like Dwayne Bravo, and perhaps someone having the experience of Ramnaresh Sarwan. I have supported WICB in the past, I thought Gayle and co think they are bigger than the game and all that, but at the moment Gayle looks absolutely committed to getting back into the side, he has withdrawn his somerset contract, he has done whatever the WICB have asked him to do and now they want a meeting to clear up "residual" matter... GO TO HELL!!! Sarwan, Gayle, Jerome are all victims of a very badly led WICB... and what is it that Ottis Gibson wants, like Holding has said the moment anyone says something he doesn't like he doesn't want him around... why can't someone get rid of the entire WICB current management and support staff, kick out and I mean KICK OUT Ottis Gibson and start afresh????
------------- God is a better planner... so whenever u'r plan fails, cheer up... God has a better plan for you! |
Posted By: Mikey
Date Posted: 29 May 2012 at 4:32am
| Dwayne Bravo will bring a no nonsesne approach with the bat and I think Gayle's inclusion will provide more consistent starts. I'd like to see Sarwan come back sometime in the future and if they're going to persist with Sammy then he really needs to bat at 7 so that an extra bowler can play. Sammy is not more than a 4th seamer - his stats don't really tell the real story. I do like Sammy, but he does hold back the bowling attack (as he's batting at 8, it's obvious that he's picked for his bowling, despite his recent ton). |
Posted By: Sledger
Date Posted: 29 May 2012 at 8:00am
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I don't agree Sam - Otis Gibson is the reason that the Windies attack is functioning so well. They're fitter and bowl to plans - he's carried on from where he left off when with England. No doubt that the Windies administration is a joke , but I think Gibson is doing a fine professional job. As for the result - no surprises , but it took quite a bit longer than I expected. Graeme Swann being left in the cold for so long was odd too , even though I understood that the up and down nature of the pitch suited straight seam bowling. A big pat on the back for Tim Bresnan - a real donkey who'll bowl into the wind and grind out a few valuable runs at the death - an unsung hero , something that so many great sides have usually had in their ranks. ------------- Mental disintegration works for me !! |
Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 29 May 2012 at 11:37pm
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Not sure why people bash Gibson so much, but i'd take this currently lead bowling attack under him than all the ones I've seen for for last decade after Ambrose and Walsh left. For the last 2 years, they have probably conceded 500 runs once, and that says a lot of good things about this bowling. The batting is the biggest problem, # 1 - 4 can't buy a run at the moment and has been making the bowlers effort go to great waste. And the WICB is not holding back Jerome Taylor. Ignore what Holding has said, he is only speaking for Jamaican sake, but Jerome Taylor even got sent home from Pune's squad in the last IPL due to injury. Was that the WICB fault?? The WICB has licensed doctor to continually check after Jerome Taylor for physiotherapy treatment, in which Jerome Taylor have skipped quite a few of those meeting. Why should the WICB then be bothered with picking him when he doesn't want to do the required work to get back to fitness?? For the record, not even his home Island of Jamaica has picked him in any competitive squad lately. Why didn't Holding criticize Jamaica for that? WICB has NO say whatsoever in the selection of regional sides. Also, it turned out that David Gower knew more than Holding on the subject. While Holding was ranting off in the commentary box, Gower just said, if he's FIT, playing, and taking wickets, then he should be in the West Indies team. Everyone know Taylor has been breaking down as soon as he's been selected again. it's been happening since 2009. ------------- In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage. |
Posted By: Sledger
Date Posted: 30 May 2012 at 12:56pm
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Thanks for that SW , I learned more about Taylor in 30 seconds than I've picked up in the last 12 months! If he goes AWOL when expected at meetings and doesn't follow a fitness regime he can't get picked , simple as that.
------------- Mental disintegration works for me !! |
Posted By: cricketmaniac
Date Posted: 30 May 2012 at 2:19pm
| Would have been really exciting if we could have seen Gayle, Bravo and Narine in the current squad of West Indies... otherwise it looks an easy series win for England. |
Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 30 May 2012 at 2:36pm
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Well Sledger, there's always 2 sides of the story. The Doctor did say that Taylor was missing meetings, Jerome Taylor has denied those allegations, but from the way Holding was talking, he simply thought the WICB had an agenda - it was sensed that he didn't do any homework on the subject. Since the air was cleared on that matter, he never ranted about the Taylor issue again.
We in the Caribbean allow too much ill discipline behaviour once someone is deemed very talented, we give them too much leeway to accomodate them, which in return they do as they please. At least Holding did admit that the senior guys needed an attitude adjustment, which is what this current team is providing. Holding usually speaks very fair, but gets caught in a mess when it comes to his home of Jamaica. I have no sympathy for Taylor, even being out late at nights instead of being at home resting and trying to get his body back in shape. The WICB told him to play a full season of first class cricket to prove his body is holding up well (which I think is fair seeing he kept breaking down after every 3 game for the West Indies).
The Jamaicans and taylor supporters don't like that, saying its unfair and that its directed to one player only. WICB was constantly looking after him, taking care of all his medical bills since he broke down early in his career. They always picked him once he "appeared fit" and he always kept on breaking down.
If Chris Tremlett keeps on breaking down, I know for certain England will push him down the pecking order, in which Onions will be preferred over him. I rate Tremlett highly and I know England do also, but even Onions name is coming up ahead of him now as he's injured often.
What I can agree with Holding on, is the treatment of Sarwan and Gayle by the WICB. From what i've gathered, it indeed seem as if the WICB methods were to sabotage Gayle and Sarwan's career (not just internationally), as they were currently beating around the bush in issuing NOC for Gayle to play in the IPL. They fully knew they weren't going to pick Gayle for internationals but were still delaying the NOC in certain cases. To me, this is definitely not a good thing to do. As far as i'm concerned, the lesson has been taught to Gayle and Sarwan now, and a new attitude to the team. This would be the right time to bring them back. With the current bowling attack, another 100 runs can ensure a win for Windies. ------------- In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage. |
Posted By: Clobber
Date Posted: 02 June 2012 at 1:21pm
| oh Dear, poor old Kirk Edwards out for another duck in the tour match today - 20 runs in 8 innings so far. Poor sod. |
Posted By: Mikey
Date Posted: 03 June 2012 at 5:00am
Gayle, Sarwan, Nash and Dwayne Bravo are all more adequate replacements for Edwards... even Deonarine would be a better option. |
Posted By: sam_ahmed
Date Posted: 03 June 2012 at 8:47am
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KP's retirement from ODI's and T20's is a huge huge setback for England, as it is ENG have not been a very good team in the Limited overs format and KP was one man who, as I've always said, was a game changer, ENG will surely struggle without him, they will need to find an able replacement, Straus gone, KP gone, Freddie gone ... all of them retired well before they should have, ENG will struggle in the LOI's. ------------- God is a better planner... so whenever u'r plan fails, cheer up... God has a better plan for you! |
Posted By: Sledger
Date Posted: 04 June 2012 at 6:39am
Tis a cruel game Clobs - I imagine he was really excited before boarding the plane to England - now he'll be glad to get home methinks! So no Jimmy Anderson for the final test and talk of resting Stuart Broad as well. Graham Onions and Steven Finn are more than capable of filling in , but the Sun reports Jimmy as wanting to play. It's a dilemma , but if he has niggles , then I'm happy to see him rested if that means he'll be firing on all cylinders against the South Africans. ------------- Mental disintegration works for me !! |
Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 05 June 2012 at 3:26am
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Wow, Windies have named a very good squad for the limited overs leg to England. Gayle and Lendl Simmons is back. Simmons seem to still be in good form after coming back from injury, smashing a quick fire 50 against India A. England's bowling will have to be spot on during those games, a lot of fire power in that side with Gayle, Simmons, Dwayne Smith, Sammy, Russell, Pollard, Dwayne Bravo.
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Posted By: Sledger
Date Posted: 08 June 2012 at 8:48am
Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr - bloody English summer !!!!!!!!!!!! ------------- Mental disintegration works for me !! |
Posted By: sam_ahmed
Date Posted: 08 June 2012 at 7:13pm
God save the English Bowlers, looking at tat batting line up, threads will come out of the ball in no time. Delighted to see Gayle back!!! ------------- God is a better planner... so whenever u'r plan fails, cheer up... God has a better plan for you! |
Posted By: sam_ahmed
Date Posted: 08 June 2012 at 7:19pm
... and here in my city we're into the 2nd week of Monsoon season and not a drop of Rain has fallen so far... even the bore-wells have dried up... we normally get fair rainfall, don't know what's wrong this time
 , won't mind if ENG can give some of their rain to us!------------- God is a better planner... so whenever u'r plan fails, cheer up... God has a better plan for you! |
Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 09 June 2012 at 12:04am
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Sam, weather patterns around the world have gone off target. There is no longer a dry season in the West Indies. It rained throughout the whole dry season. One Island where we play T20 cricket, the pitch has been damp on every saturday due to all the unusual rain during the week. For the last few seasons, the Hurricane season has been quite generous to us. Not as much rain/storms as people expected.
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Posted By: sam_ahmed
Date Posted: 09 June 2012 at 9:10am
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you are absolutely right spinny, we got unusual thunderstorms throughout the month of April and now the monsoons are taking a very different path as compared to normal. Coming to the game, well I dearly hope we see some cricket today although three days may not be enough to force a result in this game, I'd like to see the captains go for some aggressive declarations should we have play on the remaining 3 days. ------------- God is a better planner... so whenever u'r plan fails, cheer up... God has a better plan for you! |
Posted By: Sledger
Date Posted: 11 June 2012 at 7:58am
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No posts on the carnage from yesterday ! You either love or hate Tino Best , but you can never ignore him! He's arrogant and yesterday drove the English attack crazy. In fairness , he played some splendid shots , especially down the ground. Why they decided to bowl short was mystifying and allowing him and Ramdin to put on almost 150 for the final wicket was seriously annoying. Twas a pity that Best didn't crack three figures , but 95 after having a top test score of only 27 was mightily impressive. One day to go and the Windies have an outside chance of a stunning victory. Realistically England should get the 51 needed to avoid the follow on - but daft things have happened already in this match! Maybe Flower and company will think twice about leaving out their two best bowlers in future. Well done to the visitors , that decision by Flower smacked of arrogance and could yet come back to haunt them. ------------- Mental disintegration works for me !! |
Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 11 June 2012 at 1:20pm
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Surprising last wicket partnership, but pleasing from a Windian point of view. Ramdin turned it sour with that note. What would happen if he doesn't make another ton for 3 years (which is a custom for him)?? Anyhow, Windies played a lot better on this tour than I think most expected. They definitely did a better job than India did.------------- In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage. |
Posted By: sam_ahmed
Date Posted: 11 June 2012 at 7:26pm
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I have always maintained that Ramdin is a fine talent, I don't know what the issue was and why he was out of the team for so long, because this lad always had the ability to play big knocks. That note was unnecessary though, but then I think he got a little carried away. Best played well but whatever chances WI had were rained off today, what is pleasing though is that now with Gayle back the WI line up for the ODI's looks stunning, this appears to be a very very formidable side now, 3-0 to WI in the ODI's, I won't be surprised at all. ------------- God is a better planner... so whenever u'r plan fails, cheer up... God has a better plan for you! |
Posted By: Sledger
Date Posted: 18 June 2012 at 7:20am
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So much for the the much hyped Windies batting line up ! No Gayle , but the rest played and were easily dealt with by the English attack. Darren Bravo's injury didn't help either , but the win was a comprehensive one. A brilliant hundred from Ian Bell silenced the KP fans and Tim Bresnan's 4 wickets showed his worth. England played a 5 man test attack whilst the Windies left out their quicks in favour of trundling all rounders. It reminded me of England in bygone days where we couldn't restrict even the most average of batting line ups and shows that potent attacks is the way to go. I'm sure the Windies will be hoping gayle makes it for tomorrow and they'll field a better attack , even at the expense of depth in the batting. No reason for England to change anything - this was a comprehensive win. ------------- Mental disintegration works for me !! |
Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 18 June 2012 at 1:59pm
Sledger, place was cold, Windies will never win in these sort of conditions. I'll excuse them for this one.  ------------- In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage. |
Posted By: sam_ahmed
Date Posted: 18 June 2012 at 6:12pm
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WI do have a very attacking batting line up, ENG played well in their conditions but I still believe WI have it in them to win the series, Gayle is very crucial to their chances though, even if he doesn't score runs, I think psychologically it'll give them tremendous confidence. ------------- God is a better planner... so whenever u'r plan fails, cheer up... God has a better plan for you! |
Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 19 June 2012 at 3:19am
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Darren Bravo goes back home, no big loss really, wasn't in the best of form. In a way, i'm happy, as it meant that Lendl Simmons can get another chance to continue his good form before he got injured.
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Posted By: Sledger
Date Posted: 19 June 2012 at 7:56am
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So the Oval today and I'm hoping to see the rope tight up against the boards as they were in Hampshire. I don't see it as a method to restrict the Windies big hitters (the ropes are about 85 yards back and they clear 100 quite easily) , but a return to how cricket was played before T20 came to be. Seeing the rope some 20-odd yards in is just wrong - use the entire ground and watch class players turn 1's into 2's and 2's into 3's with fine placement Bell was masterly doing just that on Saturday. It's a big ground and usually high scoring - should be worth watching today with rain unlikely to intervene. ------------- Mental disintegration works for me !! |
Posted By: Sherlock
Date Posted: 19 June 2012 at 9:17am
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Foremost the ODI series, the Poms will have a large quantity of self-belief with them as they played out of their skins. One can be unsure that the calculation of KP Pietersen went grand with according to his motto, posted on twitter; he said “Hope Cookie & the boys go one up today!! Hope Belly is fit & collects the MOM at end of game!! Good luck guys.” Having a dreadful test team, the table-toppers of T20 cricket and Test cricket have a very physically powerful and unquestionable team in the 50-over layout of the game too. Their assurance will be sky-high as they showed proven performance in the 1st ODI. Well, it was certainly a faultless comeback from the player. Be expecting the ‘Gayle Storm’ to pull through quickly and damage his enemy. The bowling of both the teams looks high-quality, even though the Calypso kings unsuccessful to betray the rulers of Test Cricket. Ravi Rampaul has the capacity to move the ball vigorous as he gave a dazzling start before Ian Bell rang the bells of the West Indian cricket team. Dwayne Bravo also provided fine start but Ian Bell blew gone the impatience of the bowlers. Andre Russell, although gave a load of runs and will look to get better himself. The batting looks wounded with Lendl Simmons and all others batsmen too failed to carry out with liability excluding Dwayne Smith who although tried to take some responsibility but also fail. The batting at one stage fell like a house of matchsticks, although both teams are in search of wins as it will be a great contest to watch. Prediction: Expect the West Indies to fight back and square the series 1-1 http://www.lahorimela.com/sports/cricket-sports/england-eng-vs-wi-west-indies-2nd-odi-match-live-score.html - |
Posted By: sam_ahmed
Date Posted: 19 June 2012 at 6:50pm
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After some Gayle fireworks early on the West Indies surrendered meekly, Good partnership between Bravo and Pollard but the English achieved the target easily. Disappointing result for the WI< they were at least considered to put up a far better performance in the ODI's but so far it has been nothing much of note. One reason why England are doing so well in the ODI's now is there Opening combinations, The century by Cook today is the 6th consecutive hundred by an England Opener in ODI's... something for teams like Pakistan to learn from... openers need to be world class... you simply won't win otherwise. ------------- God is a better planner... so whenever u'r plan fails, cheer up... God has a better plan for you! |
Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 20 June 2012 at 5:27am
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Openers are always vital to top teams. Australia had Hayden/Langer in tests, Hayden/Gilchrist in ODI's. SA had Kirsten/Gibbs, Smith/Gibbs and other good combination which is why they've always managed to be a top team for over a decade now. England got Strauss/Cook in tests, India Sehwag/Gambhir in Tests, Sehwag/Tendulkar/Gambhir ODI's. Simply put, all the teams that are in the bottom half of the table only have one or no good openers. Pakistan once had Younus, Yousuf and Inzimam in the middle, but couldn't crack the top 3 rankings. It's also why I always credit a lot of India's rise to #1 to the contribution of Gautum Gambhir. Sehwag was always good in tests, but having guys like Chopra, Jaffer etc meant Dravid/Laxman was always in too early.
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Posted By: Sledger
Date Posted: 20 June 2012 at 7:05am
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After the Gayle whirlwind the Windies looked pretty toothless on what was a perfect batting track. 238 was always 50 runs short , Cook didn't have to get out of 2nd gear - it was an impressive allround performance from the home team. Using the test attack is working - at no time were the Windies batsmen served up any dross. The final match could well see a Windies win though , with Bresnan , Broad and Swann getting the day off.
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Posted By: alpesh
Date Posted: 20 June 2012 at 9:40am
| Cook ton seals series win for England over Windies To seal something playing a child man invented sports game-- isn't much of a seal! To seal up some of the misery the poor humans on earth have, would be a well appreciated action game! |
Posted By: sam_ahmed
Date Posted: 20 June 2012 at 7:04pm
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Yes with many top players rested, WI may win the last ODI and will have a good chance in the T20 too as all they'll need is any two of their many big hitters to come good, which is why I consider them to be Red Hot favorites for the WT20 later this year. The good thing spinny is that the WI are on the right track now, Gayle and Simmons is a good opening pair and I think this team is going to cause some serious damage in the days to come, no doubting that... it's just a matter of time. One thing is for sure though, beating ENG in ENG is one hell of a task, Pakistan found that in 2010, India found that in 2011, WI found that recently, now can the South Africans match them shot for shot? I think, Yes. ------------- God is a better planner... so whenever u'r plan fails, cheer up... God has a better plan for you! |
Posted By: sam_ahmed
Date Posted: 25 June 2012 at 5:11pm
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Very very good knock by Hales, great find for ENgland in T20's at least. WI lose again but they looked dangerous, some heavy hitting in that game, I refuse to lose hope in this team, I think in Sri Lankan conditions they be much more dangerous, esp that their bowlers will back their batsmen there... WT20 and I still back WI to be the favorites. ------------- God is a better planner... so whenever u'r plan fails, cheer up... God has a better plan for you! |
Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 27 June 2012 at 12:53am
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West Indies biggest problem for all of the English tour, is that # 1 - 4 in that batting line up hasn't contributed much. I reckon 80% of their runs came from # 5 - 8.
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