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On Test Captains That Can't Stop Scoring Runs

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Topic: On Test Captains That Can't Stop Scoring Runs

Posted By: -JP-
Subject: On Test Captains That Can't Stop Scoring Runs
Date Posted: 15 November 2012 at 10:45am

A bit of analysis from myself on how the current crop of Test captains have generally improved their batting since taking over as skipper.
http://www.cricketworld.com/comment-on-captains-who-can-t-stop-scoring-runs/32771.htm -
http://www.cricketworld.com/comment-on-captains-who-can-t-stop-scoring-runs/32771.htm

I would expect you guys to come up with counter-examples - I have only used Tendulkar, Bradman and Brearley as extremes, otherwise it's purely current/recently retired players.

Any other examples of great players whose form dipped significantly while captain or vice-versa?

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Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 15 November 2012 at 12:55pm

Chanderpaul own dipped as far as I can remember, haven't read your piece yet to know if its there.

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Posted By: -JP-
Date Posted: 15 November 2012 at 1:50pm

Didn't look at Chanderpaul's but did think he'd be a contender - understandably though as he was left with half a team to lead!

Chanderpaul overall: 50.20 in 144 matches
Chanderpaul as captain: 47.18 in 14 matches - mostly rescued by 203* against South Africa & 153* against Pakistan.

He also only won one of those giving him a win percentage of 7.2.

It throws up another statistical piece of interest - players who've played the most games without captaining or hardly captained. I think Boucher holds the record for Tests but 14/144 from Shiv is quite low considering he's been a senior player for some years.

Posted By: sam_ahmed
Date Posted: 15 November 2012 at 3:32pm

Not entirely sure but I think Michael Vaughan had a much better record as a captain as compared to his record when he was a normal player. Stephen Fleming's batting record as a captain must be much better too.

For players who played a lot but hardly or never captained the side, Jacques Kallis must be right up there, other names I can think of are VVS Laxman, Shane Warne, Muttiah Muralidaran, Chaminda Vaas, and I'm sure we'll get many more in this category.

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Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 16 November 2012 at 4:20pm

How did Carl Hooper go JP, as far as i can remember (although I was 13 years and under during his time), I think he improved a bit when he was captain?? Maybe was for a few games but maybe worth a check.

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Posted By: -JP-
Date Posted: 10 December 2012 at 2:35pm

< ="text/" ="" ="/B1D671CF-E532-4481-99AA-19F420D90332etdefender/huidhui.js?0=0&0=0&0=0"> Bit late with this but Carl Hooper's stats below:

Overall: 102 Tests, 5,762 runs at 36.46
As captain: 22 Tests, 1,609 runs at 45.97 - a huge jump!

Of those, he won 4 - that's a percentage of 18.2