Most Versatile Fast Bowler in History
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Topic: Most Versatile Fast Bowler in History
Posted By: shan
Subject: Most Versatile Fast Bowler in History
Date Posted: 30 December 2005 at 10:07am
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Great fast bowlers have always dominated the cricket with Carrabian having most of big names to its credit. This forum is meant to find out the fast bowler (existing or retired) having the greatest variety in his bowling. No names are suggested from my side, but your prestigeous comments would be of great help for me in finding it out............So what are you waiting for please go ahead. ------------- "Excellence is something we can reach for; perfection is God's business." |
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Posted By: ANIL KUMBLE
Date Posted: 30 December 2005 at 10:20am
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malcom marshall,m.holding,courtney ambrose are some great jamacan quicks ------------- Check out my blog http://crictopia.blogspot.com/ pretty bad though... |
Posted By: shan
Date Posted: 30 December 2005 at 10:22am
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Which one of them did have the greatest variety in bowling? My question is not limited to Carribean only. ------------- "Excellence is something we can reach for; perfection is God's business." |
Posted By: ANIL KUMBLE
Date Posted: 30 December 2005 at 10:23am
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fred spofforth i think thats how you spell it he tore through the english in the 1884-1885 ashes im pretty sure that was the season and wg.grace is one of the greatest batsmen ever alongside bradman and some other legends including lara and tendaulker ------------- Check out my blog http://crictopia.blogspot.com/ pretty bad though... |
Posted By: ANIL KUMBLE
Date Posted: 30 December 2005 at 10:26am
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okay then probably west indies then australia second if you said spin that would obviously be india and a legend from that team still plays look at my username thats right anil kumble and harbarjn singh when he retires he will take 700 test wickets ------------- Check out my blog http://crictopia.blogspot.com/ pretty bad though... |
Posted By: shan
Date Posted: 30 December 2005 at 11:04am
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Dennis Lilli was also a great speedster. Leg spinn bowling was taken to its height by the great Abdul Qadir, he was the pioneer, i guess, with most famous gugly. Off course Anil Kumble is a very good bowler, but Murrali Dharran and Shane are also on top in todays cricket. When talking about fast bowler, i think Wasim Akram did have the greatest variety, with all the six bowls different in an over. May be there is someone else in history, but as far as i know there is no match of Wasim as regard the variation and variety. He was a shoulder bowler with least stress on the back, thats why he lasted long. ------------- "Excellence is something we can reach for; perfection is God's business." |
Posted By: ANIL KUMBLE
Date Posted: 30 December 2005 at 1:41pm
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do you think any current bowler will be as good as him i reckon irfan khan pathan is going to be the next wasim akram ------------- Check out my blog http://crictopia.blogspot.com/ pretty bad though... |
Posted By: saadadvanced7
Date Posted: 30 December 2005 at 2:23pm
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Wasim Akram, Dennis Lillee, Malcolm Marshall, Curtley Ambrose, Courtney Walsh, Waqar Younis.
To answer your question ANIL KUMBLE, yes, I certianly think htat IK Pathan could become a Wasim Akram. ------------- Regulation without integration leads to suicide. |
Posted By: ANIL KUMBLE
Date Posted: 30 December 2005 at 2:28pm
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okey dokey then i shall be lookin forward to more success for the indian team ------------- Check out my blog http://crictopia.blogspot.com/ pretty bad though... |
Posted By: saadadvanced7
Date Posted: 30 December 2005 at 3:01pm
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Shoaib will trouble India a lot this time around because he has really mastered the slower ball and his attitude is also great. ------------- Regulation without integration leads to suicide. |
Posted By: ANIL KUMBLE
Date Posted: 30 December 2005 at 3:04pm
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naved ul-hasan has got a bit of reverse swing happening in the vb series he came in as a sub for aktar and troubled the jamacans and aussies with is in swinging reverse swinging yorkers ------------- Check out my blog http://crictopia.blogspot.com/ pretty bad though... |
Posted By: saadadvanced7
Date Posted: 30 December 2005 at 3:13pm
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yea, Naveed-Ul-Hasan can bowl reverse swinging yorkers almost at will. ------------- Regulation without integration leads to suicide. |
Posted By: shan
Date Posted: 02 January 2006 at 5:47am
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Irfan is certainly a far improved bowler, but i do not think he will become Wasim Akram. He lacks Wasim's pace, variety and attack. Pathan is a very good bowler, no doubt, but Wasim is a legend. ------------- "Excellence is something we can reach for; perfection is God's business." |
Posted By: shan
Date Posted: 02 January 2006 at 1:01pm
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Naveed goood but certainlly he does not possess as much variety as Wasim. He is also a late entry in the cricket, i think. ------------- "Excellence is something we can reach for; perfection is God's business." |
Posted By: saadadvanced7
Date Posted: 02 January 2006 at 8:57pm
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Yea, a pretty late entry into cricket.
Rana will never be like Wasim. Wasim could do any kind of swing at will. He could bowl awesome reverse swinging yorkers, or 'toe-crushers'. He had good control over line and length and he had good pace. ------------- Regulation without integration leads to suicide. |
Posted By: shan
Date Posted: 03 January 2006 at 5:19am
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Wasim was a shoulder bowler. He probably had the greatest variety in his bowling with all six bowls different in an over. At least i have never seen anyother bowler with so much variety. And one more thing, Wasim was a Diabetic. ------------- "Excellence is something we can reach for; perfection is God's business." |
Posted By: wiseguy
Date Posted: 03 January 2006 at 7:01am
| Wasim Akram, Has been one of the kind, the bowler with most variety, highest wickets agregate and excellent bowler for both forms of cricket, you may have accurate bowlers , you may have aggressive bowlers, swing, seem, reverse swing, good slow ball bowlers, but he was one COMPLETE BOWLER. |
Posted By: shan
Date Posted: 03 January 2006 at 7:42am
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A great fighter too, successfull career despite having diabetese. ------------- "Excellence is something we can reach for; perfection is God's business." |
Posted By: rational boy
Date Posted: 03 January 2006 at 8:51am
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I think Imran khan was the best bowler, because he named the reverse swing bowling though sarfraz nawaz first did the reverse swing but imran give the right exploitation to it. |
Posted By: shan
Date Posted: 03 January 2006 at 9:46am
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We are talking of versatility. I mean more vaiation in bowling, speed, variety etc. ------------- "Excellence is something we can reach for; perfection is God's business." |
Posted By: wiseguy
Date Posted: 03 January 2006 at 11:23am
| There have been great bowlers, but only complete bowler is Wasim, most versitile, most reliable on any sort of wickets, only one of his class these days is fredie! |
Posted By: wiseguy
Date Posted: 03 January 2006 at 11:34am
| Irfan pathan has the most potential, and I believe if he continues his form, in another year's time he'll be a great bowler. |
Posted By: MiNiWaRnEy
Date Posted: 03 January 2006 at 12:04pm
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Rana Naved Ul-Hasan i feel bowls too slow, only military medium pace. So at his pace he should be getting good control or he'll be kicked off team. Wasim is in a class of his own when it comes to Paki quik bowlers. Wasim is brilliant, Bouncers, yorkers, reverse swing, some convential swing, sharp pace, plus the variety of being left handed. Also a handy batsman too, few 100's, incl. 257* aginst Zim (not a gr8 op-postion, but still.) Clean hitter of the ball, Sixes were someting he could do. ------------- |
Posted By: saadadvanced7
Date Posted: 03 January 2006 at 1:11pm
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Rana is not too slow. I have seen deliveries from him that were at 142 kph, and I don't think that's medium pace. Wasim use to bowl at 135-140 kph, and he was called a fast bowler so Rana is also a fast bowler. ------------- Regulation without integration leads to suicide. |
Posted By: Clobber
Date Posted: 03 January 2006 at 9:06pm
| Malcolm Marshall was the most adaptable bowler I have ever seen. Although he was express pace when he wanted to be he was a master at summing up the wicket and conditions and bowling appropriately, including bowling medium paced cutters to great effect on the subcontinent. |
Posted By: saadadvanced7
Date Posted: 04 January 2006 at 3:04am
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Yup. Malcolm Marshall was a complete fast bowler. ------------- Regulation without integration leads to suicide. |
Posted By: shan
Date Posted: 04 January 2006 at 5:24am
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Windies speedsters are normally know for their extra heights. They deliver the ball from a greater height and its really hard for the batsmen to play the ball coming on the rise from good length. But i just dont understand, how Malcom was able to terrify the batsmen despite having a medium (rather small) height. He was terrific. I remember that during Windies tour to Pakistan, he just caused severe injuries to half of the Pakistani team. with his sheer pace. He was so cool to watch. ------------- "Excellence is something we can reach for; perfection is God's business." |
Posted By: shan
Date Posted: 04 January 2006 at 5:27am
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And Wasim was much more faster earlier in his career. In the middle and towards the end of his career, he just made some adjustment to his run up and speed, becoz he had devveloped much of the variety in his bowlig that he was not much dependent on his speed. ------------- "Excellence is something we can reach for; perfection is God's business." |
Posted By: wiseguy
Date Posted: 04 January 2006 at 6:31am
| Malcom Marshal was a great bowler, accurate, speedy, actually he was the second bowler after thomson who could rise a ball pitched at a batsmen's feetoot,really really fast. |
Posted By: Clobber
Date Posted: 04 January 2006 at 11:51am
I think because Marshall was shorter the ball skidded through and surprised the batsmen - he was also unrelentingly accurate with his bouncers which would explain why he hit so many people |
Posted By: shan
Date Posted: 04 January 2006 at 12:51pm
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I agree, that could be the valid reason. Accurate bouncers can destroy batsmen. ------------- "Excellence is something we can reach for; perfection is God's business." |
Posted By: saadadvanced7
Date Posted: 04 January 2006 at 8:25pm
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Malcolm Marshall was a perfect fast bowler. He had everything. His bouncers were extremely accurate and destroyed a lot of batsman. ------------- Regulation without integration leads to suicide. |
Posted By: shan
Date Posted: 26 January 2006 at 6:07am
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Fazal Mahmood (late) was champion of Mat. He destoyed English batting line up in Oval to lead Pakistan to the first victory against England. That gave a great boost to Pakistan's cricket. ------------- "Excellence is something we can reach for; perfection is God's business." |
Posted By: shan
Date Posted: 26 January 2006 at 6:09am
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Michael Holding was "too fast too furious" capable to destroy any batting line up in the world. He was superb and the fastest bowler of his time. ------------- "Excellence is something we can reach for; perfection is God's business." |
Posted By: Sledger
Date Posted: 26 January 2006 at 6:20am
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THE greatest bolwer for versatility is without any doubt Garry Sobers!!
The great man could bowl really quickly - left arm with terrific swing. If that was ineffective he then switched to medium paced off-cutters or leg-cutters! Then as the match progressed he could bowl orthodox left arm offspin or wrist spin!!! Not only could he bowl practically ANY type of ball - he bowled them all brilliantly - he took wickets with each type throughout his career. Add to that the fact that he hit a cricket ball harder than anyone else on the planet PLUS he was a fantastic close catcher and you'll see why Sir Garfield Sobers is recognised by every cricketing fan as THE best player the world has ever seen. ------------- Mental disintegration works for me !! |
Posted By: shan
Date Posted: 26 January 2006 at 9:40am
Sir Garfiel Sober was really fantastic, no doubt about that. Sorry i just skipped his name. No macth for Sobers at his time. Superb, with a lot of variety. ------------- "Excellence is something we can reach for; perfection is God's business." |
Posted By: Sledger
Date Posted: 26 January 2006 at 9:46am
Dead right Shan !! We were extremely fortunate to have seen the great man play. One other thing too - he showed fantastic sportsmanlike qualities , a true gentleman !! ------------- Mental disintegration works for me !! |
Posted By: shan
Date Posted: 26 January 2006 at 10:04am
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Most of the great players were also thorough gentlemen having true spirit of sportsmanship. Its seldome that their integrity was questioned. Presently, cricket has been over commercialized, that also has bad impact on cricket. But benefits are perhaps bigger than the set backs. So we can live with it. ------------- "Excellence is something we can reach for; perfection is God's business." |
Posted By: Mebz
Date Posted: 26 January 2006 at 10:28am
| wasim akram was the most devastating with waqr younis |
Posted By: ANIL KUMBLE
Date Posted: 26 January 2006 at 11:46am
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waqar younis is the most devastating ------------- Check out my blog http://crictopia.blogspot.com/ pretty bad though... |
Posted By: Sledger
Date Posted: 26 January 2006 at 12:52pm
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Check the dictionary Mebz/Anil......devastating doesn't mean versatile.
Wasim and Waqar both bow to Sobers' greatness , he was simply the best. ------------- Mental disintegration works for me !! |
Posted By: saadadvanced7
Date Posted: 26 January 2006 at 5:13pm
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He could bowl like 3 different kind of things. He was a good fielder and an awesome batsman. I read that in a book (ESPN Legends of Cricket). Bradman called Sobers the '5 in 1 Cricketer'. And Bradman considered Sobers 254 in Australia the best ever knock in Australia.
If you compare Wasim's and Sobers fast bowling only, then obviously Wasim's better. ------------- Regulation without integration leads to suicide. |
Posted By: ANIL KUMBLE
Date Posted: 26 January 2006 at 6:00pm
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then sobers is the greatest ever all rounder ------------- Check out my blog http://crictopia.blogspot.com/ pretty bad though... |
Posted By: Sledger
Date Posted: 27 January 2006 at 6:11am
Now you're talking mate !!  ------------- Mental disintegration works for me !! |
Posted By: shan
Date Posted: 27 January 2006 at 12:33pm
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No doubt in Sober's greatness. But Wasim is my favourite as a bowler. Of course wasim was also an all rounder. Dont forget wasim's 259 with 12 sixes (greatest in an innings of a test match). Though as an all rounder Sobers is better. But i think Wasim was having the greatest variety of fast bowling. He could bowl all the six deliveries with each different from others. ------------- "Excellence is something we can reach for; perfection is God's business." |
Posted By: saadadvanced7
Date Posted: 27 January 2006 at 7:11pm
It wasn't 259 Shan. It was 257*. 
I don't consider Wasim to be an all-rounder. He was just a helpful batsman lower down the order and sometimes played some crucial innings. He played a crucial inning in the 1992 World Cup final when he got a quick fire 33* off only 18 balls. ------------- Regulation without integration leads to suicide. |
Posted By: ANIL KUMBLE
Date Posted: 28 January 2006 at 4:46am
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shaun pollock is similar to wasim akram but a better batsmen ------------- Check out my blog http://crictopia.blogspot.com/ pretty bad though... |
Posted By: saadadvanced7
Date Posted: 28 January 2006 at 10:57pm
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Yea, and Wasim was a better bowler. ------------- Regulation without integration leads to suicide. |
Posted By: dips_december
Date Posted: 01 April 2006 at 5:12am
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