Best batsman of modern era
Printed From: Cricket World
Category: Letter To The Editor
Forum Name: Player Discussion
Forum Discription: Player discussion, comparisons and memories
URL: http://www.cricketworld.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=712
Printed Date: 18 June 2013 at 6:01am
Software Version: Web Wiz Forums 9.71 - http://www.webwizforums.com
Topic: Best batsman of modern era
Posted By: qasi
Subject: Best batsman of modern era
Date Posted: 08 January 2006 at 2:57am
| I ranked Brain lara no.1and kallis no.2 .There is no other batsman who can score big hunred consistently than Brain lara.He is the only one who can ply big innings.Kallis is more solid than others.Unfotunately he couldn't scored double hundred but he is one of the best. |
Replies:
Posted By: Clapo
Date Posted: 08 January 2006 at 3:21am
| erm... add 1 ricky thomas ponting to that list |
Posted By: MiNiWaRnEy
Date Posted: 08 January 2006 at 3:26am
|
Yep and Matther Hayden. AND when u talk about modern era are you talking about Post WWII or currently. ------------- |
Posted By: capital_s
Date Posted: 08 January 2006 at 6:37am
|
Lol. U don't even have ponting there... you can't have a poll that doesnt
include one of the main contenders. ------------- My two favourite Batsmen: Jacques Kallis is a very solid but destructive batsmen and not to mention he can bowl as well. I also like Michael Clarke for his amazing batting talent at such a young age |
Posted By: vize
Date Posted: 08 January 2006 at 9:48am
|
Yeah and i think Ponting has the highest average (though not by much) compared to the other 5 in the poll
------------- |
Posted By: MiNiWaRnEy
Date Posted: 08 January 2006 at 10:32am
|
He does have a slightely higher average, buthe also has a higher ir equal strike rate, which is also important..normally SR isnt important, butif you average very hogh and have a great SR, you are a fantastic batman. Yes Shahid has a high SR, buthis average is too low.. this is an example. Ponting deseerves to be in that poll. Lara, Tendulkar, Ponting are the best batsmen of the last 10 years, i am not saying this on their form, some other players are in better form then say Sachin, but Sachin is better. ------------- |
Posted By: Charlie
Date Posted: 08 January 2006 at 12:27pm
| ponting is way better. scored hundreds in each innnings of his 100th test. no one in history has done that. better than all batsmen when in form! |
Posted By: Clobber
Date Posted: 08 January 2006 at 3:58pm
| Ponting never had to make runs againsts Warne and McGrath though |
Posted By: vize
Date Posted: 08 January 2006 at 4:40pm
|
Yeah thats a good point, he never had to make runs against the best attack in the world.
------------- |
Posted By: saadadvanced7
Date Posted: 09 January 2006 at 2:21am
|
No doubt that Warne and McGrath are great bowlers and Ponting hasn't faced them, but its not like Ponting has been playing against 14 year-olds. He has also played agaisnt good bowlers.
I must say that after Ponting's amazing performance in his 100th test, he has won me over. He is the best batsman in the world today. ------------- Regulation without integration leads to suicide. |
Posted By: MiNiWaRnEy
Date Posted: 09 January 2006 at 2:23am
|
yes he has faced them in domesttic criket, did well. He has to face them in the nets, whta great practise!!!! ------------- |
Posted By: saadadvanced7
Date Posted: 09 January 2006 at 2:27am
|
Yea, no wonder he is a great batsman. He faces the best bowlers in the world in the nets, where there is no pressure on him. ------------- Regulation without integration leads to suicide. |
Posted By: MiNiWaRnEy
Date Posted: 09 January 2006 at 2:36am
|
Yes, RSA had teh same luxury with Donald and Pollock. Paki with Waqar, wasim and Mushtaq. But the thing about the Aust attack is that u have the best pace bowler, u have an express pace bowler, the best leegie in the world and a left armer swing bowler plus macgill (awesome legspinnner) what variety, in the nets u get it all. ------------- |
Posted By: saadadvanced7
Date Posted: 09 January 2006 at 9:58am
|
Yea, that's awesome practice. You can face a lot of the different kinds of bowling and not be under pressure or anything. ------------- Regulation without integration leads to suicide. |
Posted By: dips_december
Date Posted: 01 July 2006 at 7:25am
Poor Rahul Dravid ui was the first to vote for him ------------- |
Posted By: slogger72N/O
Date Posted: 01 July 2006 at 3:22pm
|
Blimey, Lara's a mile ahead, can't help thinking that if Ponting was there he'd be ahead though. ------------- |
Posted By: dhoniisbest
Date Posted: 02 July 2006 at 5:14pm
|
Rahul Dravid in test matches. ------------- . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
Posted By: slogger72N/O
Date Posted: 02 July 2006 at 5:17pm
|
Dravids a brilliant test match player and I'm surprised he didn't get more votes. He can be boring in the test arena though ------------- |
Posted By: ars-cric
Date Posted: 02 July 2006 at 5:36pm
| geatest player is the one on whom the team depends if u look at it ponting is accompanied by ghilchrist hussy langer martyn they all perform together to win for aus. on the other hand every pakistani and indian always depend on inzamam and dravid and they most of the time performs and win for their respective teams lonely.so i would rate inzamam and dravid. |
Posted By: inzamam329
Date Posted: 02 July 2006 at 8:34pm
|
Lara and inzamam, they have won matches single handedly for thier counteries time after time! ------------- |
Posted By: RightHandBat
Date Posted: 03 July 2006 at 3:44am
|
I am going to go for Sachin Tendulkar.
------------- "His classical hits down the ground, met with a checked drive, were Tendulkar at his best. It was though he had a new lease of life." - Sachin Tendulkar's return to cricket with a 91-Ball century. |
Posted By: dips_december
Date Posted: 19 August 2006 at 4:09pm
Rahul Dravid is the best ,rock solid and technically 98% perfect  ------------- |
Posted By: dhoniisbest
Date Posted: 19 August 2006 at 5:45pm
|
It looks like that somebody voted more than 1 time.
I think its Sachin Tendulkar(that doesn't mean Dravid isn't the best batsmen of modern era). Tendulkar is the inspiration for young cricketers. ------------- . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
Posted By: SEHWAG NO.1
Date Posted: 19 August 2006 at 9:42pm
| i think it is a joke that inzamam has as many votes as he has he shouldnt even be there ponting should be there, by the way theres no doubt tendulkars the best batsman of this era HANDS DOWN |
Posted By: dips_december
Date Posted: 20 August 2006 at 6:09am
hey this not good I voted 24 times for Dravid and it took my vote evry time  ------------- |
Posted By: SEHWAG NO.1
Date Posted: 20 August 2006 at 8:22am
 WOW! sachin tendulkars has almost 1000 more votes than anyone else, Very funny
|
Posted By: Clapo
Date Posted: 20 August 2006 at 12:51pm
|
and how stupid of you to admit it dips!! ------------- 5-0 You Beauty!!!!! Thanks for the many fantastic memories Marto, Langer, Warney & Pidg |
Posted By: ANIL KUMBLE
Date Posted: 20 August 2006 at 1:01pm
|
Jacques Kallis 1 vote! This guy is 29 and has 6000-9000 test & odi runs and has years ahead of him maybe even another 10 this guy could end up with 15,000 runs in both forms of the game! ------------- Check out my blog http://crictopia.blogspot.com/ pretty bad though... |
Posted By: daisy77
Date Posted: 21 August 2006 at 7:59pm
|
Great point Clobber ------------- |
...I never thought of that before.Posted By: daisy77
Date Posted: 21 August 2006 at 8:04pm
|
It's quite obvious that this poll has been abused......I mean are there even 1038 members on this site?????? I highly doubt it! ------------- |
Posted By: DRAVID FAN
Date Posted: 22 August 2006 at 8:24pm
Whoever voted for Tendulkar and Lara are mad idiots. Well not all. First of all qasi allowed multiple voting. Whenever that happens the thread should be closed or the poll should be closed. Then ofcoarse Tendulkar and Lara are the best of the modern era. Very weird question to ask as its widely known that they are the best. I hate such threads.  ------------- |
Posted By: daisy77
Date Posted: 24 August 2006 at 3:39pm
|
Well I guess...it's all about people's opinions.....some people may not think so. You may think it is obvious but that's just your opinion. ------------- |
Posted By: daisy77
Date Posted: 24 August 2006 at 3:40pm
|
It seems as though Kallis has surpassed Sachin....very interesting... ------------- |
Posted By: inzamam329
Date Posted: 24 August 2006 at 3:48pm
|
This has become a joke now! Sachin, Lara and then Inzy for me but these threads get so abused by silly people! ------------- |
Posted By: Jyothika
Date Posted: 24 August 2006 at 3:59pm
|
Yeh, i agree and by the way i would go for Dravid. ------------- Everywhere is within walking distance if you have the time!!! |
Posted By: DRAVID FAN
Date Posted: 24 August 2006 at 4:24pm
|
Logically speaking (although Dravid is my favorite player) Sachin and Lara are the best in the world today stats wise and otherwise. Dravid and Inzi are at the next level as they are going to be making 10,000 runs next. Ponting has only 8000 odd runs so I'd say he is just a step below them stats wise. Otherwise he is with them. Kallis is below them. And now this poll had gone crazy. ------------- |
Posted By: 70_degree_spin
Date Posted: 31 August 2006 at 5:16pm
|
Who could actually be bothered to vote so many times, it's a bit sad. I
honestly think Dravid is the best batsman because of the number of 50's
he has made and his average of about 59. I'm not just saying that to
please Dravid Fan Very funny. I've never actually seen Lara play that well
because I have only just got in to cricket and that is why I'm
sceptical when people say he's the best despite his average only being
50 odd.
------------- [ |
Posted By: Jayasuriya
Date Posted: 31 August 2006 at 6:10pm
|
wow .. Kallis? ok hes good, but hes beating the likes of Sachin, inzi, etc. cmon guys!?@ And where is Jayasuriya on that list
|
Posted By: DRAVID FAN
Date Posted: 31 August 2006 at 6:14pm
|
Your new here dude. This poll has been going haywire ever since it was amde. So dont worry.
And 70_degrees_spin. Lara when he first came in was better than Sachin and had the record of Sobers and was going to beat Bradman, but after that he wasnt that good and Sachin overtook him. Ever since then he has been no.2. Lara is a pure cricketer, but Tendulkar is showman. He can also bowl and he is short and came in at a young age and was always hyped a lot more and that way he climbed up faster. Lara has his fans, has broken records, but could never reach Sachin's level. ------------- |
Posted By: DRAVID FAN
Date Posted: 31 August 2006 at 7:07pm
|
Why isn't Sledger closing the poll or the thread. ------------- |
Posted By: Jayasuriya
Date Posted: 01 September 2006 at 1:39am
|
DF to what yu said before, you are right. Lara may have the odd quadruple century at the crease , but definetely lacks consistency, but you saying Lara never reaching Sachin's level is kind of wrong. Lara was at sachins top level when he was no.1.
|
Posted By: DRAVID FAN
Date Posted: 01 September 2006 at 6:49pm
|
But Sachin does have an edge over him you know. ------------- |
Posted By: dhoniisbest
Date Posted: 01 September 2006 at 6:57pm
|
It looks like that somebody have lots and losts free time. ------------- . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
Posted By: DRAVID FAN
Date Posted: 01 September 2006 at 7:28pm
|
Late reactions there dhoniisbest. ------------- |
Posted By: saadadvanced7
Date Posted: 02 December 2006 at 12:44am
|
The way Ricky Ponting has been going for the past few years, he'll surpass Lara's and Tendulkar's feats in no time. Tendulkar has been getting injured for a loooong time now and Lara is getting old. But they are the best! I am just saying that Ponting will easily end up ahead of them if he keeps going like this. ------------- Regulation without integration leads to suicide. |
Posted By: DRAVID FAN
Date Posted: 04 December 2006 at 8:50pm
Ahead of them, but never as famous or at better. Lara and Tendulkar were way above Ponting during their time. Tendulkar crossed Lara later on, and I think that Inzamam, Dravid, and Kallis should have been removed from that list long ago. Even Inzamam is no way close to Lara or Sachin exceot for the fact that he got 10,000 runs. He will never be along with in History them. Sorry to all Pakistanis and Inzi fans. Dravid too has been amazing, and even though the best and most consistent player in the Indian team, will never reach Sachin's level. Kallis doesn't even look like corssing Dravid, then why compare him to Lara and Sachin. Ponting may cross Sachin because he will 1-2 years more then him, but he is certainly far away right now. Tendulakr has a minimum of 3 years left. By then if he is in form for even a little while, it will be good enough to throw Ponting out of that list. ------------- |
Posted By: Chin Music
Date Posted: 05 December 2006 at 12:45pm
|
I have to say, great though the likes of Ponting are, this is a simple two-horse race between Tendulkar and Lara...and I say Tendulkar. He's more consistent, he has a better attitude and is a better teammate, he's played half his test cricket (ie, the home games) on far more difficult pitches and, crucially, I don't think he has a technical weakness, which Lara has. Brilliant though both are technically, Lara does have that slight susceptibility to the yorker, owing to his enormous backlift, which is there at any point in any innings to a good enough fast bowler. On the other hand, all of these points are basically negligible as there's pretty much nothing to choose between them ------------- Turnham Green CC Fast bowler & middle/lower-order bat |
Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 05 December 2006 at 5:04pm
|
Nice post CM! I got to say though, that for the last 2 years, it's punter by a country mile!! ------------- In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage. |
Posted By: MiNiWaRnEy
Date Posted: 06 December 2006 at 7:58am
|
Sachin has poor off stump awareness early in his innings and is suspect to edging, like Lara he has flaws too.
Lara has a far superior temperament compared to Sachin. Look how many 200s, 300s, plus a 400 that Lara has made (and 501* in a 1st class county game). Sachin took over 10 yrs to get past 200 in a test and it was a poor knock, every run on the leg side , not that good an innings, just a great pitch and pedestrian Aussie bowlers (McGrath, Warne, etc were missing) ------------- |
Posted By: Chin Music
Date Posted: 06 December 2006 at 10:48am
|
Tendulkar, does have that flaw yes, but my point is it is only early in his innings where I feel Lara's susceptibility is always there. As regards big scores, yes Lara has a better knack for scoring the huge huge scores, 300 plus, but that's pretty irrelevent. Once you get much past 250 in a match you've got a cast-iron draw on your hands, so the pressure's off and it's easier to bat, I don't think those situations are a barometer of temperament. Also Lara has scored more double-tons, true, but Tendulkar has batted all his home innings, around half of all his batting, on Indian dust-bowls while Lara bats on West Indies pitches known to be easier to bat on...it's no coincidence that no Indian had ever scored a triple hundred until a few years back (not forgetting that Sachin in all probability would have been the second if Ganguly hadn't declared on him) ------------- Turnham Green CC Fast bowler & middle/lower-order bat |
Posted By: dhoniisbest
Date Posted: 06 December 2006 at 12:50pm
|
True, CM. Big knocks comes once in a while, where as Sachin kept scoring centuries. Score of more than 200 doesn't mean that teams going to win. Small knocks can win you game when you play patiently. ------------- . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
Posted By: prasmp
Date Posted: 21 December 2006 at 12:41pm
| micheal hussey.i will say it 100 times! |
Posted By: Chin Music
Date Posted: 21 December 2006 at 12:49pm
|
Don't be ridiculous
------------- Turnham Green CC Fast bowler & middle/lower-order bat |
Posted By: shan
Date Posted: 22 December 2006 at 11:55am
|
Such things come out of some excitement CM, never mind! ------------- "Excellence is something we can reach for; perfection is God's business." |
Posted By: shan
Date Posted: 22 December 2006 at 12:01pm
I am too bad at logic DF, would you please help me out which algorithm did you use to come to this obvious conclusion  . Just wanna increase my logic skills...........------------- "Excellence is something we can reach for; perfection is God's business." |
Posted By: TKORL
Date Posted: 04 January 2008 at 9:58am
| I don't understand how a batsman with an average < 40 can make this poll. |
Posted By: TKORL
Date Posted: 24 February 2008 at 5:07am
The starter of the thread is Pakistani, so it's not surprising that a) Tendulkar isn't mentioned in the top 2, and b) Inzamam makes it in place of more deserving batsmen. |
Posted By: hanif
Date Posted: 24 February 2008 at 12:49pm
|
sachin numero uno for me followed by the greatest left hand batsmen of all times lara, then in third place it has to be ricky ponting class act and will probably be the highest run scorer of them all by the time his career ends. ------------- love cricket hate racism |
Posted By: bondy
Date Posted: 24 February 2008 at 8:41pm
|
I'm surprised Lara hasn't got more votes than he has. ------------- Good one Graham! |
Posted By: 143no
Date Posted: 24 February 2008 at 9:56pm
|
Have a look at the way some of the indians go on about sachin, I doupt they could stop at just 1 vote. I enjoyed watching Lara more than Tendulkar, Lara just tore attacks apart., ------------- Monkey see, Monkey do. |
Posted By: bondy
Date Posted: 24 February 2008 at 10:06pm
|
hence why I've chosen him. ------------- Good one Graham! |
Posted By: samhache
Date Posted: 25 February 2008 at 5:51am
|
Lara and Tendulkar are undoubtely the best here. End of story. ------------- Warriors!! |
Posted By: Sledger
Date Posted: 27 February 2008 at 1:19pm
Bondy , this isn't a general election - unless the count is in Zimbabwe. ------------- Mental disintegration works for me !! |
Posted By: zuhair_abbasi
Date Posted: 28 February 2008 at 7:48am
|
This is why democracy is one of the worse systems ------------- http://thecricketinsight.blogspot.com/ |
Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 28 February 2008 at 8:29pm
|
If you ever come to the caribbean, don't ever say that, unless you're in Cuba. ------------- In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage. |
Posted By: bondy
Date Posted: 29 February 2008 at 12:41am
and communism isn't? ------------- Good one Graham! |
Posted By: bondy
Date Posted: 29 February 2008 at 12:47am
|
Come to think of it, Western Society needs democracy because in places like America only the middle and upper classes vote, really. They choose, everyone's happy.... ------------- Good one Graham! |
Posted By: TKORL
Date Posted: 29 February 2008 at 9:35am
Both of them tore attacks apart. However I rate Tendulkar more partley because he was clearly better in the shorter version of the game. |
Posted By: 143no
Date Posted: 29 February 2008 at 9:49am
|
no they didn't, and not in my opinion. ------------- Monkey see, Monkey do. |
Posted By: hanif
Date Posted: 29 February 2008 at 1:45pm
|
in my opinion kalis is not in the same league as tendulkar and lara, i am just wondering why ponting is not present in that pole, those three are by far the best modern day batsmen. kalis inzi and dravid are way behind talent and skill wise. there has certainly been some diluded people voting. ------------- love cricket hate racism |
Posted By: samhache
Date Posted: 29 February 2008 at 10:31pm
|
Kallis is still one of the best, but hes just not in the same bracket as Tendulkar and Lara, they're simply on another stratospherical level. Plus, Lara and Tendulkar are much, much more exciting to watch. Who wants to watch defensive play all day? ------------- Warriors!! |
Posted By: NZ_Fast
Date Posted: 01 March 2008 at 10:10am
| I dont get this whole 'Kallis is so defensive' tag line. His batting strike rate is a whisker worse than nathan astles (who is meant to be aggresive) in ODI's, and something like only 5 less than Astles SR in tests. |
Posted By: Clobber
Date Posted: 01 March 2008 at 10:16am
| it might have something to do with little things like him coming in at 514-2 against a weak bowling side and still taking 120 balls to make 39 |
Posted By: NZ_Fast
Date Posted: 01 March 2008 at 10:23am
|
Can't say i blame him for playing like he did today, even with a massive lead like that when wickets are falling you want to stop that happening and hang around, and someone like boucher didn't exactly got for his shots either. |
Posted By: Clobber
Date Posted: 01 March 2008 at 2:29pm
yeah it really was a crisis 
|
Posted By: hanif
Date Posted: 01 March 2008 at 8:14pm
|
yeh i colud deffinitly see them losing from that position, kalis is boring to watch, good player but he is no great. tendulkar lara and ponting for me. probably in that order. even though i do like watching lara as i am a left hander aswell, but tendulkar is class. ------------- love cricket hate racism |
Posted By: BackFoot Master
Date Posted: 02 March 2008 at 6:25pm
Out of all the attacks lara tore apart, the ones I really love the most was when lara tore the aussie attacks apart especially when Shane Warne was cracked all over the park. ------------- August 16th 2009, my team Youth Combine was crowned CHAMPION once more |
Posted By: hanif
Date Posted: 02 March 2008 at 10:03pm
|
lara is but a distant memory tendulkar is still impressing to this day, unfortunatly for the australian bowlers. ------------- love cricket hate racism |
Posted By: 143no
Date Posted: 02 March 2008 at 10:05pm
So your agreeing lara was better to watch? ------------- Monkey see, Monkey do. |
Posted By: hanif
Date Posted: 02 March 2008 at 10:39pm
|
i think it is a tough one to call 143no, they both played with alot of flare, tendulkar still does, lara was amazing tendulkar still is. ------------- love cricket hate racism |
Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 02 March 2008 at 11:44pm
|
Lara wins hands down on flair! Lara played the same when he was young to the day he retired - going after the bowlers. ------------- In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage. |
Posted By: hanif
Date Posted: 03 March 2008 at 8:30pm
|
to be honest it is difficult to choose between them and many people will be divided but for me tendulkar edges it as he is still going and answering what ever critics are out there, 42 one day centuries and god knows how many times he was out in the 90's, not helped by a few dubious decisions. you got to admire and envy the guy he is a true great. ------------- love cricket hate racism |
Posted By: samhache
Date Posted: 03 March 2008 at 10:35pm
|
They both are greats of the game. Their test statistics are virtually the same, however, Sachin is the greatest ODI batsman ever. ------------- Warriors!! |
Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 04 March 2008 at 1:14am
|
Hanif, I didn't mean to say Lara is better incase is that you think I mean. I don't bother to choose between them by the way. All is know, Lara is in a class of his on when he gets going! ------------- In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage. |
Posted By: hanif
Date Posted: 04 March 2008 at 6:26pm
|
well tendulkar showed the aussies that he still has it, performing when it matters in the final with a 117not out and 91 today, enough said. ------------- love cricket hate racism |
Posted By: punterrulz
Date Posted: 30 October 2009 at 2:22am
| This poll is absurd! How can the likes of kallis, dravid and ul haq be added yet ponting is not? For anyone to put those 3 batsmen ahead of ponting is an indication of bias and lack of cricket knowledge. Ponting has done things the others can only dream of. Just for the record the 3 geatest batsmen of the modern era pick themselves. 1 lara, 2 ponting, 3 tendulkar. the others dont even come close. A note must be made of tendulkar though as he has never won matches or totally blitzed seriers as lara and ponting have, a fact highlighted in that tendulkar has never scored 500 runs in a test seriers despite playing 159 tests. Tendulkar also constantly fails to score in important matches or when his team needs him to as compared to lara and ponting who have done it consistently. I still rate tendulkar but with a question mark possibly. So there you have it! the argument is closed! Lara Ponting and tendulkar, are the best! Only Hayden could be added. To say kallis, dravid or ul haq shows your complete ignorance and subjective bies. |
Posted By: Clobber
Date Posted: 30 October 2009 at 1:24pm
| thanks Ricky |
Posted By: milkman
Date Posted: 30 October 2009 at 1:27pm
|
Kallis is a pretty good batsman considering he has 200 test wickets too matey! You are right, Ponting should be on that list... not that any one cares about stupid polls. However Sachin is far and away the best batsman of the last 20 years. Viv Richards and Sachin Tendulkar are the best batsmen of the modern era in my opinion. Ponting and Lara are second to them. ------------- Ideal cricketer: Bowl like Warne, bat like Tendulkar, field like Jonty!! |
Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 30 October 2009 at 1:33pm
|
Me fed up tell people Tendulkar will hardly appear on a winning list when he mek runs because he has played with a team that hasn't really had a great bowling attack, it was just of late they had a good run because Khan and Sharma were inform and bowling well, along with that legend Kumble and Harbhajan wasn't too bad.
Tendulkar hardly plays in 5 match Test series so he'll highly unlikely get loads of runs in a series.
And for the record, me hate it when people ah say about match winning knocks. Hell, Lara hammered a blistering 221 against the might of Warne, McGrath, MacGill (who has bowling well them times) and Lee and still ended up losing because of a poor team.
If you're using those stuff to discount Tendulkar, Ponting shouldn't be there because he can't bat finger spin! ------------- In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage. |
Posted By: MalhotraRaj84
Date Posted: 30 October 2009 at 1:37pm
|
Dhoni just showed to everyone that batsman comming lower down the order seldom get opportunity to hit centuries, so players like Steve,Bevan,Inzi and many more lower down the order palyers will not score that much centuries/runs. However rarely you will find players like Sachin and Lara who come at the top hit the winning runs or stay till the end, so if you feel they are not match winners then it is wrong. Just if you see the statistics you will see that all these players are matchwinners. When they perform their team wins. Now Ricky ponting has been one of "the" best post 2001-02, no doubts about it.He has been in a strong team, where pressure is less, has had very good openers which means used to come fairly at settled score.I am not taking anything away from Ponting.He has been great batsman, but comparing players is wrong.You would get nothing from this excersise.
------------- Race to No 1 again ... started! |
Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 30 October 2009 at 1:40pm
Spot on Raj, I can assure you Ponting had an easier time than lara and Tendulkar, who could be in with plenty shine still on that cherry. In Lara's case, it happened quite often.  ------------- In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage. |
Posted By: milkman
Date Posted: 30 October 2009 at 1:42pm
|
I think Sachin handles pressure absolutely fine. You can't say he doesn't perform when it counts, because he does time and time again. Ponting is a matchwinner, but then again when he plays Australia always won no matter what because the side was great. Lara was a top batsman, but how'd he have performed when playing with Viv, Lloyd, etc. Better or worse? Perhaps that would have brought out way more from him. Who knows? You can't just second guess. Look at the player, look at his performances, look at his strengths and weaknesses and look at his record home and away. Sachin has virtually no weaknesses and he has performed on every continent against every side against every type of bowling and on all sorts of wickets. He faced Wasim, Warne, Donald, Ambrose, Murali etc all in their pomp. For mine he is the best, hands down, no one betters him. Not only has he made a zillion runs, he's hard to get out and he scores at an extremely high rate (just look at his ODI SR of 88, that's ridiculous for a man who averages 45 and bats at the top of the order). Sachin is a freak. The best batsman I have ever seen. ------------- Ideal cricketer: Bowl like Warne, bat like Tendulkar, field like Jonty!! |
Posted By: milkman
Date Posted: 30 October 2009 at 1:48pm
|
The pressure isn't "less" for Ricky, it's just different. He has to compete for his spot in the side, he has to skipper the side as well and has come under a lot of fire throughout (Lara and Sachin both couldn't handle captaincy particularly well to be quite frank) and he a VERY high expectation placed on him. That's still a lot of pressure mate. Any test match is pressure and Ricky is not one to shirk responsibility. ------------- Ideal cricketer: Bowl like Warne, bat like Tendulkar, field like Jonty!! |
Posted By: MalhotraRaj84
Date Posted: 30 October 2009 at 1:54pm
|
Well Ponting missing in poll is a mismatch in current day context or even in 2006, but we have seen Good Ponting from debut till 2001/2002 and Excellent Ponting then on till now. The thread seems of started by someone in 2006.So maybe this thread needs to be closed. ------------- Race to No 1 again ... started! |
Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 30 October 2009 at 2:09pm
|
I can see the argument, surely, statistically at least, Ponting must be on a list of the best batsman for this decade, especially between 2003 up to 2008 I think where he was in a kind of form that some players has never even dreamed of being in. ------------- In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage. |
Posted By: milkman
Date Posted: 30 October 2009 at 2:22pm
|
I feel that Ponting is effective, in that he makes a lot of runs, but he's not as flamboyant (like Lara) or technically sound (like Sachin) as Lara and Sachin. Sachin is the ideal package and Lara is just brilliant to watch. Don't get me wrong Ricky is wonderful to watch when on song, but I always feel you can get him early on with that newish ball when he plants his front foot. I also think he's quite suspect to finger spin, mostly off spin. Sachin has almost no weaknesses, a few little things here and there but nothing overawing. That's why Sachin's the best in my opinion. He's just a total package.
------------- Ideal cricketer: Bowl like Warne, bat like Tendulkar, field like Jonty!! |
Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 30 October 2009 at 3:38pm
|
Yeah, Sachin is more of a complete player than lara. You basically got more chances with Lara because of that flashing blade and from Ponting because he can get lbw's or the away swinger from back of a length just outside off because of his footworks but that shows how good he is. He still ends up getting lots of runs flicking through mid wicket although that can be one way of working him over. Finger spin is his biggest weakness, he has quick reaction so the back of a length away swingers are negated well most of the times.
I feel for spinners you have to be more still then move when the length is picked up, Ponting is more on the move than Sachin. Sachin just uses a little stride forward to spinners nagging on a length, he has his own way and that's why they just have to be marginally back of a length for him to cut and pull them. ------------- In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage. |
Posted By: milkman
Date Posted: 30 October 2009 at 3:41pm
|
I think Sachin is probably the best since Bradman (or at least top 5) and Lara has the most flair of recent times, but neither of them can play the straight drive or hook/pull better than he. Not even Sachin can hook 6s off the front foot at will like Punter can.
------------- Ideal cricketer: Bowl like Warne, bat like Tendulkar, field like Jonty!! |
Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 30 October 2009 at 4:03pm
|
Ponting and Gayle are the two best players of short fast bowling I've seen. Gayle has height so he would have less fear of bowlers and not to mention his weight is always on the backfoot. Harmison in his pomp bowling short stuff use to get dispatch back down to the square boundary. Ponting is just superb, anything slighty short goes! ------------- In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage. |
Posted By: milkman
Date Posted: 31 October 2009 at 2:28am
|
Ponting is still miles better than Gayle on that front. I've actually seen teams use short pitch bowling as a strategy to get Ponting out. Of course Ponting gets out to the pull and hook, it's because he plays it so often, but feeding him short balls just makes me laugh. Another top play of the horizontal strokes was Adam Gilchrist. Played a hell of a lot of cricket at the WACA which helps. ------------- Ideal cricketer: Bowl like Warne, bat like Tendulkar, field like Jonty!! |