Kallis or Ponting
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Topic: Kallis or Ponting
Posted By: capital_s
Subject: Kallis or Ponting
Date Posted: 08 January 2006 at 8:17pm
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I chose Kallis as a better player, because although Ponting is a slightly
more talented batsmen, Kallis is a very good bowler as well, with over 200 ODI wickets. ------------- My two favourite Batsmen: Jacques Kallis is a very solid but destructive batsmen and not to mention he can bowl as well. I also like Michael Clarke for his amazing batting talent at such a young age |
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Posted By: Clobber
Date Posted: 08 January 2006 at 8:29pm
| Kallis is far too selfish a player; bats for his average, only wants to bowl when there are a few cheap wickets to be had. |
Posted By: vize
Date Posted: 08 January 2006 at 9:07pm
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Both are exceptional batsmen for their teams and are vital a ssets for their teams. I would say Kallis is the better PLAYER because his batting is equal to Pontings and his bowling is far better
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Posted By: capital_s
Date Posted: 08 January 2006 at 11:17pm
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Clobber, you have just read what other people say. Kallis is not a selfish player! People just think he is selfish because he prefers to play at a slow rate. And as for his bowling he doesn't "chose" to bowl. He is set to bowl when he has to. He used to be a dangerous opening bowler in ODIs and still has a bit of flare. Lets not forget he got ponting out LBW in the last match. ------------- My two favourite Batsmen: Jacques Kallis is a very solid but destructive batsmen and not to mention he can bowl as well. I also like Michael Clarke for his amazing batting talent at such a young age |
Posted By: MiNiWaRnEy
Date Posted: 09 January 2006 at 12:43am
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Ponting is a more valuable player, as he scores a lot of runs in situations whent they are in trouble or not. He scores his runs quickly and dominates, he has obviously got a better cricket mind, Kallis didnt get captaincy. I agree with Clobber somewhat, Kallis scores too slow and is slightely selfish player, his bowling alos seems quite useless now aswell and his catching ability has dropped, he can';t field anywhere besides slip. Ponting is a brilliant fieldsmen who offers more in the field then just about anyone else in the world (Symonds is No.1 fielder, Ponting No.2, it used to be the other wqay around) It is quite useless comparin the 2 because Kallis is an allrounder and Ponting a batsmen/skipper. It is just like when you were trying to compare Shaoub and Irfan ------------- |
Posted By: saadadvanced7
Date Posted: 09 January 2006 at 1:54am
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Statistically Kallis is a slightly better player. Currently Ponting is better. They are both exceptionally talented batsman and both are crucial to their teams. ------------- Regulation without integration leads to suicide. |
Posted By: MiNiWaRnEy
Date Posted: 09 January 2006 at 2:52am
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Actually statistically Ponting is better. IN batting ofcourse. ------------- |
Posted By: Clobber
Date Posted: 09 January 2006 at 8:41am
How did I manage that when I posted the first reply???? I have seen more than enough cricket to form my own opinions thank you very much. |
Posted By: saadadvanced7
Date Posted: 09 January 2006 at 9:29am
Just look at the averages because Ponting has played more matches than Kallis so he can outscore him....and it won't be a surprise. If you look at the averages Ponting has an amazing Test average of 57.71 after his 2 centuries against SA, and Kallis has an amazing Test average of 57.24. That gives Ponting a slight edge. I think Ponting is going to have a Test average of 60+ if he continues in this form for the rest of his career. Anyway, in ODIs, Kallis has an outstanding average of 44.43 and Ponting has an ODI average of 42.22. Ponting has more runs in both form of the game because he has played more matches. ------------- Regulation without integration leads to suicide. |
Posted By: MiNiWaRnEy
Date Posted: 09 January 2006 at 12:43pm
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Kallis gets mor enot outs and is selfish byscoring slow and not trying to get out. Ponting has a higher SR as well and he bats at No.3 so virtually no not outs. ------------- |
Posted By: Sledger
Date Posted: 09 January 2006 at 12:51pm
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This is rather silly - they have a role in their respective teams - and a crucial one at that! Ponting is in the form of his life and Kallis is trying to come back from a really troublesome injury. Tendulkar still hasn't fully recovered from his tennis elbow problem and neither has Kallis.
Who knows , Kallis might have been playing in serious pain these last couple of matches - he's too much of a man to use it as an excuse for some slowish scoring. Just accept that they're two top class players , but saying who's best is rather futile. ------------- Mental disintegration works for me !! |
Posted By: saadadvanced7
Date Posted: 10 January 2006 at 7:42pm
I didn't know that Kallis had an injury...maybe it was before I got into cricket....
Well said Sledger. Ponting and Kallis both have a big role in their teams. Ponting has been in great form and it looks to me like there are always triple figures beside his name in every match. Kallis a great all-rounder...more of a batsman now. Kallis isn't doing bad at all right now but as Sledger said he had some injury which is affecting his performance right now...that I don't know about. ------------- Regulation without integration leads to suicide. |
Posted By: qasi
Date Posted: 11 January 2006 at 10:22am
| Kallis is much more solid and relayable batsman while Rickey is a bit risky player. Rickey sometimes throw his wicket even in difficult situations.Kallis knows his importance in side so that is why he don't take too much chances.He always try to built partnerships .But Rickey looks in some hurry when he comes in the field. |
Posted By: Big Josh
Date Posted: 11 January 2006 at 8:29pm
They can be considered as even but i say Kallis is better because like qasi said Ponting is a once in a while performer who often takes too many risks as compared who will rarely risk his wicket given any circumstnaces And yah Kallis just doesn't bowl aswell he also is a great slip fielder who like POnting bearly drop catches {except when he dropped Hussey in the test series}otherwise i very good all-rounder------------- josh |
Posted By: MiNiWaRnEy
Date Posted: 12 January 2006 at 12:41am
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YOU DO NOT AVERAGE 58 IN TESTS IF YOU THROW AWAY YOU WICKET EASILY...DER!? ------------- |
Posted By: capital_s
Date Posted: 12 January 2006 at 2:27am
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Some of you seem to forget that kallis used to be quite a dangerous
bowler. You can't forget that when you're talking about stats. He does
have almost 200 wickets in ODIs and tests!
------------- My two favourite Batsmen: Jacques Kallis is a very solid but destructive batsmen and not to mention he can bowl as well. I also like Michael Clarke for his amazing batting talent at such a young age |
Posted By: saadadvanced7
Date Posted: 12 January 2006 at 7:19pm
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Well, if you look at it that way, than Kallis wins because then he become more important to the team. ------------- Regulation without integration leads to suicide. |
Posted By: ANIL KUMBLE
Date Posted: 13 January 2006 at 2:27pm
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kallis hasnt scored a double ton in tests but his average is quite remarkable kallis is an all rounder hes batting in odis is slow but effective and holds the record for the fastest fiftie in tests 24 balls in this case i say ponting in tests kallis in odis but ponting is more entertaining to watch ------------- Check out my blog http://crictopia.blogspot.com/ pretty bad though... |
Posted By: marto
Date Posted: 13 January 2006 at 2:54pm
| ponting is by far the better batsmen, considering his average is higher than kallis and he's played more matches, and the fact that punter has a far better strike rate makes him superior. although kallis is a very good player punter is just better |
Posted By: Big Josh
Date Posted: 13 January 2006 at 2:59pm
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Being slow in the ODI game has proven helpful for him and the rest of the team becuase he holds the innings together and allows other players to be aggressive.But he is a true team player because when he is required to be aggressive he is and he doesn't bat without analysing the position of his team>I think he hasn't scored a double century because SA has had and still has a powerfull lineup hence once he is within 100+ his team would be placed in strong position to declare due to his perfomance and many other small contributions by other players hence he hasn't had the time,but i beleive it's gonna come some time soon.Just be patient. ------------- josh |
Whereas Ponting is more aggressive and he comes in earlier im the innings and has more time to bat at the crease.Posted By: saadadvanced7
Date Posted: 14 January 2006 at 3:17am
| How does scoring a double century make a batsman greater than another batsman. And if that's the case, then you're saying that since Inzamam has scored a triple century, he's better than both Ponting and Kallis...which is obviously wrong. |
Posted By: prayas
Date Posted: 15 January 2006 at 6:36pm
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i consider kallis as one of the best alrounder in the world. even though he doesnot have more centuries than ponting he is most reliable batsman in the world ------------- eat cricket,sleep cricket, dream cricket,play cricket,.,,,,,,,,,,, |
Posted By: ANIL KUMBLE
Date Posted: 15 January 2006 at 6:40pm
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yes he bats slowly but he rebulids south africas innings whenever there in trouble he seems to save the day ------------- Check out my blog http://crictopia.blogspot.com/ pretty bad though... |
Posted By: saadadvanced7
Date Posted: 16 January 2006 at 7:37pm
| Well, its not like Ponting has never saved Australia. He played some crucial innings in the ashes. |
Posted By: Black_cap_95
Date Posted: 18 January 2006 at 8:46am
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they are pretty even batters although ponting dominates the game whilst at the crease kallis gets the runs but not as spectacular as ponting but............ there is the point that kallis is a very handy bowler as well so my vote goes to him ------------- go hard or go home |
Posted By: saadadvanced7
Date Posted: 18 January 2006 at 7:11pm
| Ponting is a much better batsman than Kallis right now and he is more entertaining too. Kallis is soo slow. |
Posted By: ANIL KUMBLE
Date Posted: 19 January 2006 at 3:29pm
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ponting can bowl to quite frankly hes not that bad he had the best average in the ashes 8 with figures of 6 overs 2 maidens 1 for 8 and hes best figures in odis are 3-20 ------------- Check out my blog http://crictopia.blogspot.com/ pretty bad though... |
Posted By: saadadvanced7
Date Posted: 19 January 2006 at 8:49pm
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Still, those don't matter at all because we all know that Ponting is a specialist batsman.
Kallis is a class batsman and a good bowler...not as good as he use to be. |
Posted By: Rind
Date Posted: 29 January 2006 at 5:17am
| Kallis is good batsman and a good bowler while Ponting is only batsman |
Posted By: saadadvanced7
Date Posted: 29 January 2006 at 7:38am
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Yup! And they are both crucial players for thier teams. ------------- Regulation without integration leads to suicide. |
Posted By: vize
Date Posted: 29 January 2006 at 9:42pm
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Yeah, South Africa would really be a lot more confident if Kallis was fit for the vb series
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Posted By: saadadvanced7
Date Posted: 29 January 2006 at 10:06pm
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Kallis's batting is sort of useful and useless in ODIs. He makes good runs but he is waaaayyy too slow. ------------- Regulation without integration leads to suicide. |
Posted By: ANIL KUMBLE
Date Posted: 30 January 2006 at 1:51am
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the guys built like a tank and yet he still bats like a wuss ------------- Check out my blog http://crictopia.blogspot.com/ pretty bad though... |
Posted By: saadadvanced7
Date Posted: 30 January 2006 at 6:11pm
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hahahaha!!
That's true. ------------- Regulation without integration leads to suicide. |
Posted By: Inzy
Date Posted: 30 January 2006 at 6:22pm
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I'm sorry but my vote goes with Ponting. Class batsman and captain and also a legendery fielder! Kallis is boring but if you need a reliant batsman then it's a close call between Kallis and Ponting.
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Posted By: saadadvanced7
Date Posted: 30 January 2006 at 6:27pm
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No doubt Ponting is a class batsman, and an outstanding keeper...but I wouldn't call him a good captain. Did you see him in the Ashes. The only reason he wins is because of all the great players in his team.
Kallis is also a class batsman. He is a useful bowler. He is an outstanding all-rounder. 
But Kallis is very, very boring to watch. ------------- Regulation without integration leads to suicide. |
Posted By: Inzy
Date Posted: 30 January 2006 at 6:30pm
true i made a mistake, he's not all that great a captain...not like our Inzy
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Posted By: saadadvanced7
Date Posted: 31 January 2006 at 12:35am
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I agree. Inzamam leads a side of mostly amateur youngsters. But he has taken all those amateur youngsters, and with the help of Woolmer, he has transformed them into a hardworking and dedicated bunch of cricketers. Not only that, but along with being captain, he is also at the peak of his career in terms of batting. His batting has been just outstanding for the last couple of years. Great job Inzi.
Ponting leads a side filled with awesome cricketers. Adam Gilchrist, Glenn McGrath, Shane Warne, Mathew Hayden, Brett Lee, and more. ------------- Regulation without integration leads to suicide. |
Posted By: jackaroo
Date Posted: 01 February 2006 at 8:40am
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ricky ponting is easily a better batter than kallis he can bat in test and one day situation kallis isn't as consistant than ponting he is too slow aswell |
Posted By: Black_cap_95
Date Posted: 01 February 2006 at 8:45am
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is ponting a keeper?? ------------- go hard or go home |
Posted By: MiNiWaRnEy
Date Posted: 01 February 2006 at 8:47am
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Kallis plays for his average, he goes for not outs and runs risk free meaning very slow,, selfish cricketer. ------------- |
Posted By: saadadvanced7
Date Posted: 01 February 2006 at 1:55pm
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That's true. Kallis is a selfish player. ------------- Regulation without integration leads to suicide. |
Posted By: Jacob Oram Fan
Date Posted: 14 June 2008 at 6:35pm
| Kallis is not a selfish player, ok say that he stops being "selfish" and starts batting like Afridi, that is self destruction. Kallis for me a much beteer player than Ricky Ponting. |
Posted By: samhache
Date Posted: 14 June 2008 at 10:32pm
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Ponting is a better batsman. And a better fielder. Ponting is much better to watch when on form. ------------- Warriors!! |
Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 15 June 2008 at 5:27am
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Kallis technically stronger making him harder to dismiss but Ponting more flairy and I guess the flairy ones are the winners. ------------- In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage. |
Posted By: bondy
Date Posted: 15 June 2008 at 12:29pm
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I've always rated Kallis as a batsman. He's got a very, very good test record for someone who hasn't scored a double ton, his consistency gives him the nod over Ponting for me. He's a more than useful bowler too and an excellent catcher. He's underrated by a lot of people. ------------- Good one Graham! |
Posted By: JP Barnes
Date Posted: 21 August 2008 at 9:52pm
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I must say i think Ponting is a much better batsman because:
Ponting bats for Australia to win test matches.
Whereas,
Kallis bats for Jacques Kallis's batting average.
JPB
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Posted By: punterrulz
Date Posted: 31 October 2009 at 6:09am
| Kallis better then Ponting? This is absurd! Kallis has been a good batsmen in his time but has never played at the level of Ponting. Kallis also only played a a level comparable with Ponting for a few years and those years are well and truly over! The fact that kallis bowls dosent necessarily make him an all round better player. Ponting clearly the superior batsmen, captain and fielder. The only thing Kallis has over Ponting is the fact he bowls, not too well either anymore I mite add. Ponting has the likes of Lee, Johnson and Siddle at his disposal so the fact he dosent bowl is irrelevant! |
Posted By: punterrulz
Date Posted: 31 October 2009 at 6:11am
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Oh another trait of Kallis is that he is very slow, stodgy and conservative as a batsmen and as JP Barnes said Kallis bats for Kallis and for his batting average. Ponting on the other hand is a team player not concerned with the trivialisties of batting averages. |
Posted By: milkman
Date Posted: 01 November 2009 at 5:15am
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The one thing that disappoints me about Kallis is that he hasn't made a test 200, whole Ponting has made 4 I believe. I do think at times Kallis plays for his average, he doesn't change gears and follow the flow of the game when he bats. Also, he tends to only bowl when there's a few cheap wickets available which is also a bit disappointing. They both have a role in their respective sides, however this comparison is futile - it's like comparing apples to oranges. Ponting is a batsman and Kallis is an all rounder, you can't say one is better than the other because they have different roles. Of course Ponting is a better batsman and a better fieldsman, but Kallis has the added string to his bow by bowling fast medium swingers, which are quite effective. ------------- Ideal cricketer: Bowl like Warne, bat like Tendulkar, field like Jonty!! |
Posted By: MalhotraRaj84
Date Posted: 01 November 2009 at 6:49am
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punterrulz calm down.You seem to be on a war path. This forum is all about expressing your opinion.To put your point forward you need not make mockery of anathor great player. ------------- Race to No 1 again ... started! |
Posted By: punterrulz
Date Posted: 01 November 2009 at 11:50am
| Im not making a mockery my friend im stating my opinion. I said kallis is good and valuable to the sth african side but also stated what I believe are his weakness s, what is so wrong with that? |
Posted By: spin wizard
Date Posted: 01 November 2009 at 7:21pm
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People need to check out Kallis strike rate over the last few years, he's up that maybe just to prove a point to people who say he bats selfishly. Nevertheless, whether selfish or not, Kallis is one of the best batsman to have played the game, very hard to remove and a perfect coaching site for young batsman to model there game after.
Kallis is not just a batsman but the best all rounder I've seen. his batting is twice that of Flintoff so it's no comparison! Ponting is the better batsman though.  ------------- In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage. |
Posted By: punterrulz
Date Posted: 17 November 2009 at 7:09am
| Sadley kallis now seems all at sea against all but the weakest attacks. Hes done nothing for a long time now and his best years look to be over. Hes never been a batter batsmen then Ponting even at his peek. Failed in aus last year and made an ordinary centurt against aus in sth africa. He looked terrible in england last year too. Never a great in my mind. Falls a long way short of that category. |
Posted By: jackshan
Date Posted: 21 December 2011 at 7:37am
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Kallis current status Batting and fielding averages
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