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    Posted: 12 November 2006 at 10:58pm
Most teams have four or five bowlers, right? In a test team they will all have pretty good averages except if they're Bangladesh or Zimbabwe, right? Well I've discovered a way to rate sides on how good they are at bowling. You take a bowler, and then divide his number of wickets by the number of matches he has played, you then do this with every bowler and add up all the answers. The team with the highest number is the best bowling side. I havn't tried this out but I'm sure it will tell me Australia are the best. What does everyone think of this idea?
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It Won't work mate! Conditions are different all over the world. There may be more bowling track for EG in NZ than in the Sub Continent so there will be a difference.
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Not a great idea. Every bowler is different, and some teams might just have one good bowler. His average is so good that inspite of the others being bad, the overall is excellent.



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Post Options Post Options   Quote spin wizard Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 November 2006 at 1:15am

I've made some that have compensated for this one!

You on the other hand.....

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You on the other hand.....



You can't think of anything bad I have done right.

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Did you automatically put in the asterix or did the softwate automaticaly do it?

And we aint joining forces at all!

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Post Options Post Options   Quote DRAVID FAN Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 November 2006 at 1:32am
Originally posted by spin wizard

Did you automatically put in the asterix or did the softwate automaticaly do it?


And we aint joining forces at all!



I deliberately put in the asterix.
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Oh okay! I was just checking to make sure cause some persons might have typed in legend and no one would have known what they meant.

Anyway, we have gone off topic and lets stop!

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I've discovered an even better way to rate sides on their bowling...you watch them in a few different matches in different parts of the world and in different conditions, you make some judgements based on what you've seen but also leave yourself open to the views of others who have seen more of them than you have or whose knowledge of cricket is better than yours
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Is that supposed to be an attempt at an insult?
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McGrath = 4.6 per match
Lee = 3.9 per match
Johnson (first class) = 3.2 per match
Warne = 4.9 per match
Watson (first class) = 1.9 per match

Overall = 18.5 wickets per match.

Hoggard = 3.8 per match
Harmison = 4.0 per match
Flintoff = 3.0 per match
Anderson = 3.2 per match
Panesar = 3.2 per match

Overall = 17.2 wickets per match

I dont know about you but those resuls are exactly what I expected, I have written a letter to Wisden about it.
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It's not going to work. Some of them might even burn out quickly.
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Originally posted by 70_degree_spin

Is that supposed to be an attempt at an insult?


Don't start !! CM is dead right - your idea screams of naivity.
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I have written a letter to Wisden about it.


Make sure you post their reply , if you get one.
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It wasn't a personal attack, I just don't think much of your idea
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If a bloody bowling attack cant get 20 wickets in a match then thats bad news mate. There is no way on Earth that it doesn't work!!!!!
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Originally posted by spin wizard

It Won't work mate! Conditions are different all over the world. There may be more bowling track for EG in NZ than in the Sub Continent so there will be a difference.

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Yes but an average is taking both in to account, why does everyone on this forum have to make everything so god damn complicated! Face it, if youve played loads of matches the average is the most important thing for a player!!! 
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I thought we'd covered that point of contention in the Best XI thread?!

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Good point Clobbs, I'll shut up now, I just hate it how people act like that, just dismiss something I've thought hard about as something that would never work, if you take their number of wickets, it is unlikely they got all those wickets in the one country so why is conditions such an important factor?
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A spinner who plays in India will have greater chance of playing more often on wickets that suits him. A spinner for England will have less favourable conditions (headingly for example). Therefore, theoretcially will take less wickets at home.
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In ODI averages are important but in test matches I prefer strike rates. Sobers averages mid thirties but was a valuable member of the line up. ODI is about least amount of runs. I would prefer a bowler like Lee who will be expensive yet regular wicket taker than a guy like Giles who may be economical but but never takes wickets. You have plenty of time in tests to make the runs so long as you take the twenty needed quickly
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Spot on Bobbi , wicket takers are gold dust in the test arena. Fred Trueman was never economical , but when England needcd a wicket , the ball was always thrown to Fred. If they wanted an end bottled up by a seamer ,they had Brian Statham , who was a real miser.

Statistics are an integral part of cricket and give some indication of a players ability , but can be hugely misleading.

Great cricketers won matches , Botham's stats aren't dazzling , but many of his performances were!!

As someone who doesn't care about stats , maybe one of the youngsters could research current Aussie 1st class stats and draw up the XI with the best batting and bowling averages. That'd be 5 batters , best allrounder , 4 bowlers and Gilchrist.

It won't be close to the current test side!!
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I shall get to work.
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Phillip Jacques - 58.62,

Peter Pascoe - 60.00

Ricky Ponting - 59.66

Darren Lehmann - 58.18

Michael Bevan - 57.71

Shane Watson - 49.50         30.94

Adam Gilchrist - 44.62

Martin Love -           ;           ; 11.00

Daniel Payne -                      6.00

Ben Oliver -           ;           ;    19.80

Travis Birt -           ;           ;    17.00

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Now there is a bowling attack to strike fear into any heart

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Great stuff BOb !! Now where are those ardent stataticians !!

Clobs , you'd make your maiden 1st class century against that mob!!
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I would open the batting blindfolded agnst that bar maybe Watson but I would still rate that batting line up.
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Oh! I get it now , that's their batting average and not their IQ !!
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Originally posted by BOBBI

Phillip Jacques - 58.62,


Peter Pascoe - 60.00


Ricky Ponting - 59.66


Darren Lehmann - 58.18


Michael Bevan - 57.71


Shane Watson - 49.50         30.94


Adam Gilchrist - 44.62


Martin Love -           ;           ; 11.00


Daniel Payne -         &nbs p;         &nbs p;  6.00


Ben Oliver -           ;           ;    19.80


Travis Birt -           ;           ;    17.00



Refine the stats with the condition at least 30 First Class matches have been played for qualify, and post your reply Bob, then we'll interestingly see different results.
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