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    Posted: 31 October 2006 at 1:37am

Guys im a batsmen who bowls a bit of fast medium. I bowl okay but go for too many runs. Even a good length delivery tight on offstump is getting scored off. I've come to the conlcusion that my field is wrong. Being inexperienced i need advice on what sort of fields i should be asking my skipper for.

In one game I went for boundaries through 2nd slip, over the top of mid off, i got sloged over mid wicket and driven through the covers for another boundary. This in the space of 3 overs! Admittedly the batsmen were set and going for it but apart from the 4 through the covers the others werent BAD deliveries. 

What field would you guys suggest for a fast medium with natural inswing who tends to drag 1 short ball every spell?

Should i keep midwicket up or put him on the boundary?

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Originally posted by Smack

What field would you guys suggest for a fast medium with natural inswing who tends to drag 1 short ball every spell?


I'd say a really , really BIG field Smack!!
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Someone with your pace shouldn't be bowling on a good length, you should be bowling alot fuller.
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From what you say, to be honest it sounds like either a) you're mistaken about them not being bad balls or b) you're a hittable sort of bowler - I've seen plenty of that type of bowler, accurate but doesn't do a lot and just that right sort of pace to hit, not fast enough to ever be a problem but not so slow you need to put the pace on the ball yourself. I don't believe field placings are the problem, if you're conceding boundaries in so many different areas within three overs its far more likely to mean your bowling was crap to be honest with you.

I think RHB made a good point about the length, you might well be bowling slightly too short, bowling fuller will of course mean you dish up a generous portion of half-volleys but that's a hell of a lot easier to defend than when you're getting hit behind square, in front of square, to the leg side and to the off side.
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Originally posted by Smack

Guys im a batsmen who bowls a bit of fast medium. I bowl okay but go for too many runs. Even a good length delivery tight on offstump is getting scored off. I've come to the conlcusion that my field is wrong. Being inexperienced i need advice on what sort of fields i should be asking my skipper for.


In one game I went for boundaries through 2nd slip, over the top of mid off, i got sloged over mid wicket and driven through the covers for another boundary. This in the space of 3 overs! Admittedly the batsmen were set and going for it but apart from the 4 through the covers the others werent BAD deliveries. 


What field would you guys suggest for a fast medium with natural inswing who tends to drag 1 short ball every spell?


Should i keep midwicket up or put him on the boundary?



1. Do you swing the ball apprieciably?
2. Do you seam the ball?
3. Do you bowl a slower delivery?
4. Do you ball the occasional bouncer?
5. Are you good at bowlling a barrage of yorkers?

If all above answers are no, any military medium pacer can be get hit even from BOYCOT'S GRANDMA!!

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Ok, I am not going to make fun of you. Here are some points.

1. Keep the line about 6"-12" outside off, and let the ball finish 3"-6" outside offstump.

2. Mix the inswinger with "across the seam" straight ball or with an outswinger aimed about 3" outside off.

3. Always genorously give the batsman that inswinging yorker, aimed to end on OFF not LEG.

4. Develop the leg cutter orthadox seam up type and the slower ball.

5. Field
For longer game
1 slip (1)
Gully/3rd man (2)
Point (3)
Cover (4)
Mid off (5)
Mid on (6)
Short mid wicket / Short leg (7)
Sqare leg (8)
Squarish deep fine leg (9)

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Pre requisite: 4 yorkers, one slower ball, one fullish out swinger

Long on
Long off
Staightish Sweeper
3rd man
Deep Square leg/Long leg
Point
Cover
Midwicket
Short fine leg

If batsman likes to paddle sweep, bowl your yorker bit more outside off, drop back fine leg and get 3rd man up.


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Originally posted by Chin Music

From what you say, to be honest it sounds like either a) you're mistaken about them not being bad balls or b) you're a hittable sort of bowler - I've seen plenty of that type of bowler, accurate but doesn't do a lot and just that right sort of pace to hit, not fast enough to ever be a problem but not so slow you need to put the pace on the ball yourself. I don't believe field placings are the problem, if you're conceding boundaries in so many different areas within three overs its far more likely to mean your bowling was crap to be honest with you.

a) For example the ball i got sloged over midwicket for 4 was on a middle and off stump line fuller than a good length but by no means a half volley. Like i say not a bad ball. In retrospect i think i had the wrong field because i had mid wicket up and square leg on the boundary, perhaps it should have been the other way round. If it was the other way round it would have saved me 4/5 runs, which is why field placings are so crucial.

b) perhaps im a hittable bowler. i can bowl skiddy pace in the nets but i tend to cut my pace to that inbetween pace you mention in matches to concentrate on accuracy, maybe i shouldnt do this?!?

Possibly my bowling was crap on that day but pretty much all our pacemen got hit around. One guy went at 12 an over


Originally posted by Chin Music


I think RHB made a good point about the length, you might well be bowling slightly too short, bowling fuller will of course mean you dish up a generous portion of half-volleys but that's a hell of a lot easier to defend than when you're getting hit behind square, in front of square, to the leg side and to the off side.

thanks guy i'll try to concentrate on a fullish length but really im still quite clueless as to what field i should be setting, which is why i made the topic. Perhaps my example complicated things! I could have given an example where i bowled well but i think the example was just not needed as it appears to have given the impression that im a terrible bowler  Disregard my example please!

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Originally posted by Wal Bada


1. Do you swing the ball apprieciably?
2. Do you seam the ball?
3. Do you bowl a slower delivery?
4. Do you ball the occasional bouncer?
5. Are you good at bowlling a barrage of yorkers?

If all above answers are no, any military medium pacer can be get hit even from BOYCOT'S GRANDMA!!

Very funny @ grandma

1. Yes mainly inswing but can bowl outswing.

2. Very Rarely

3. Got a slower ball but dont use it in matches. Worried that it might get smacked. With mid off and mid on up, no deep midwicket a slower ball is asking for it.

4. Got a bouncer, but dont use it because every one tells me to concentrate on line and length.

5. Quite good at bowling yorkers but again worried that with no deep midwicket if the yorker turns into a low full toss it might get put away.

thanks for the advice especially the holding the ball across the seam i'll try that.

I see you advise two men back for the "longer game" would that need a shortish length and striaghtish line?

* never been swept/paddled



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Here's my field buddy!

Extra covers or Long off (either one but not the 2 the same time for the longer version as you will give away to many singles), Deep fine leg, Deep mid wicket & third man. If you are by no means a wicket taker, this is the best possible field.

Since you bowl inswingers, you can always start the ball like what Ntini does, from outside off and bring it back in. When he goes to drive, its a big possibility that it won't go through covers because of the inswing. You also got to position the fielders in the correct angle as well. You can set the right field but if they are not at the correct angles, you will pay. For e.g, point can be by the crease of more behind. The more quicker you are, a more behind the point crease is required.

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I advise to get that slower ball working, a good slower ball is invaluable, and you don't need fielders on the boundary for it, you should probably drop either mid-on or mid-off a little, perhaps giving the single, but don't be too defensive. Aside from that, you have no need for slips so have a lot of out-fielders to play with, based on what you've described (having not seen you bowl) I'd probably go with 4 on the leg, you'd certainly need mid-on, mid-wicket and square leg any way and I'm guessing you bowl later in an innings so a sweeper would be advisable, seeing as you swing it to leg anyway that's the easy place to send it for a hitter
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Post Options Post Options   Quote yorker101 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 November 2006 at 11:02am

i think i agree with chin music

in wat form of the game did u get those shots hit off u?

nd get dat s-ball goin, 4 your first 1 of those in a game i'd drop bak mid-on and cover nd pos fine leg. good luck mate!

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Appreciate the tips guys.

good point about the angles spinwiz!

Originally posted by Chin Music

Aside from that, you have no need for slips so have a lot of out-fielders to play with

Why do you say this Chin Music? In the last 10-15 overs i'd agree that a slip is not needed, but surely even in the middle overs a slip provides you with a wicket taking option?

4 on the leg sounds wise chin music.

 

It was a 40 over game yorker both teams scored over 250 in that game.

 

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Chin Music Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 November 2006 at 3:42pm
The reason I don't feel you really need slips is that by sounds of it you're not that quick and you swing in rather than away, so you're not going to catch a lot of edges. It depends on the pitch, but often you probably should have one slip during those overs in fact, however I wouldn't advise anny more than one unless you're well on top and really pushing for wickets
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Post Options Post Options   Quote yorker101 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 November 2006 at 5:44am
40 over game hey, id ave a slip till bout the 30th ova... coz its good 2 attack, then, id play a more defensive roll. nd great idea 4 this topic 'smack'.mayb sum time u guys can check out my thread 'anythin pace bowling', it aint goin 2 well! c-ya.
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^ i'll check it out yorker

you might be right about no slip for the inswing chin music but it seems pretty standard to have a 1st slip. I'd say im pretty much the same pace as most fast bowlers at the level i play.

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Originally posted by Smack


I see you advise two men back for the "longer game" would that need a shortish length and striaghtish line?

* never been swept/paddled



My goodness!!!! Military medium pacers always should be full an staight!! No matter what kind of a game it is. No short stuff. If you want to bowl it short aim to hir the helmet of the batsman.

In my country, batsman do it to quick bowlers,even they do the reverse paddle. Most of them are not strong as English, Austarilian or SAF batters.

If you are bowling to non-Asian batsman long-on and long off will be the most hit aread with deep mid wicket and deep cover. If you are bowling to Asian batsman, who are wristy, you might end up getting hit between deep square leg and deep midwicket and over cover and cover point. When you are bowling to tall guys, it will go straighter. Short guys will hit it squarer.



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I bowl abit of medium pace myself, no superstar by any means, but I get usually 1 or 2 wickets a game for hardly any runs, which I'm happy with. Just from reading what you've been saying, I get the impression that you're worried about trying things and maybe getting you head down abit? Correct me if I'm wrong here, by the way but for instance:

Originally posted by Smack

 

3. Got a slower ball but dont use it in matches. Worried that it might get smacked. With mid off and mid on up, no deep midwicket a slower ball is asking for it.

4. Got a bouncer, but dont use it because every one tells me to concentrate on line and length.

5. Quite good at bowling yorkers but again worried that with no deep midwicket if the yorker turns into a low full toss it might get put away.

Anyway my advice would be just to try some new things, whether that be a slower ball or an inswinging yorker, if you can do them then have a go at it. Forget about everyone telling you "line and length", of course that's the major part, but even just focus on not going for many runs. If you go in for a few overs and you're not getting scored off, then the batsmen will either have a brain explosion or just not worry too much about the lack of scoring. Either way you're gonna be in a good position because you're cutting off the runs or getting a wicket here and there.

Can't really help you with fielding positions, but hope that's of some use!

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Post Options Post Options   Quote yorker101 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 November 2006 at 11:51pm

if u bowl your in swing with your seam slightly 2 leg slip, it will seam away slightly. so if u bowl just short of a length nd just outside off there off peg, it will swing in nd then seam away, the batter will probably b in 2 minds. and thats, i think, wen u need slip. hope dat helps.

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