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BackwardPoint
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Topic: South Africa in New Zealand (2012) Posted: 15 February 2012 at 4:22am |
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South Africa tour New Zealand for 3 T20Is, 3 ODIs and 3 Tests.
Some injury worries for the Kiwis but they come off the back of an impressive showing against ZIM. SA will be looking for more of that killer instinct, which was sorely lacking in the showing against SL (despite two series wins). Could be tight if NZL play their absolute A-game but I think SA are superior in all departments really, especially with the few injuries NZL have to worry about.
Prediction: SA 2-0 Tests (SA may be spurred by the potential no. 1 ranking to try and win 3-0 though), SA 2-1 ODIs, SA 2-1 T20Is
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sam_ahmed
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Posted: 15 February 2012 at 3:57pm |
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Pretty much agree with BP's predictions, I'd go with exactly the same, RSA 2-0 in tests, 2-1 in ODI's and 2-1 in T20's.
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crabs
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Posted: 15 February 2012 at 11:06pm |
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I predict NZ 2-1 in T20's, 1- 1 for ODI's (one will be rained off) and 1-1 for the Tests.
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sam_ahmed
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Posted: 17 February 2012 at 3:40pm |
A very optimistic prediction by Crabs, but that is how it should be, you've got to back your team.... and guess what contrary to what most of us thought, NZL beat RSA in the first T20!!!
This is not going to be as easy as it looks for RSA! Although I am supporting the proteas.
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crabs
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Posted: 17 February 2012 at 10:12pm |
I have reason to be optimistic Sam. The New Zealand team is displaying a mentality that I haven't seen in a long time, I think a lot of that is coming down to John Wright. The other thing that I haven't seen in a long time is New Zealand actually has a bit of depth now and can rest players when needed. There are mumblings that Ryder will have to work very hard and prove himself if he wants to get back in the team.
NZ is now comfortably ranked the #2 team in T20's.
It won't take South Africa long to adapt to the conditions though and we are in for some cracking cricket over the next 6 weeks. This is going to be a close series with both sides having a something to prove.
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Posted: 18 February 2012 at 1:18am |
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The kiwis largely have Guptill to thank for this win. With the sort of form Amla was looking in, they're lucky they ran him out. Hashin Amla everyday is becoming closer and closer to being my favourite batsman to watch today. That cover drive for 6 was really sweet to watch.
As far as the game went, when SA's 3rd wicket fell, I went to bed. I'm happy for the kiwis though, I really like them as a team.
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sam_ahmed
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Posted: 18 February 2012 at 6:14am |
I like Kiwis too bot I like RSA more! Spinny is right, Guptill has been in extra ordinary form of late which is great for NZL. even in the WC Guptill was in top form, talk of an under rated cricketer, I think Guptill is way too under rated, he is much more consistent than the likes of McCullum, Ross Taylor, or even Jesse Ryder.
Crabs is also right, NZL do look a different team these days, which is great for cricket, it'll be a delight to see them giving a tough time to heavy weights like RSA and AUS, which they are doing. Wright must have had an impact!
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BackwardPoint
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Posted: 18 February 2012 at 10:04am |
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It's so frustrating supporting the Proteas. This team can easily be world beaters in all formats with the talent they have but they consistently deliver only the bare minimum (expected series wins against worse opposition) without ever fully pushing on (winning world cups, inflicting thrashings and whitewashes etc.)
The Kiwis looked better than expected tbh. The pace attack is still weak for T20 international cricket but McCullum is a very clever spinner and Hira didn't look too bad either. As long as Guptill keeps this form going, life is going to be difficult for RSA. The ODIs and Tests should be a lot more comfortable for RSA though with Kallis, Smith and Steyn all returning.
Edited by BackwardPoint - 18 February 2012 at 10:22am
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crabs
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Posted: 19 February 2012 at 8:49am |
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What a knock by Levi! Wow! Humbled the Kiwi's. Sets everything up for the decider at Eden Park!
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sam_ahmed
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Posted: 19 February 2012 at 1:04pm |
That was an outstanding knock indeed! absolutely unbelievable!!! hats off for levi.
I do find it quite disappointing though that most of the tracks in NZL have become absolute dead and have nothing in it for the bowlers, entertainment is one thing but having such dead tracks is a shame really, we have seen a game recently where over 400 runs were scored in a T20 game against ZIM and now this, and even the ODI's tend to be very very high scoring, I think the board should advise for better tracks.
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mystery
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Posted: 19 February 2012 at 2:41pm |
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Sam ground is another reason with kind of bat players using its just too short even the top edge goes for six if anything should change its ground size.
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Rohit Sharma - What the world has seen is gear 1, gear speed 2,3,4,5,7,8,9 to be witnessed in IPL only.
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BackwardPoint
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Posted: 19 February 2012 at 4:05pm |
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What a fabulous knock from Levi! Sensational hitting with the utmost of ease. This doesn't look to be a one-off or a fluke innings, he looks like he can do this consistently since it wasn't Afridi-type wild slogs but just clean hitting through the line. I'll bet the IPL franchise owners will keeping a close eye on him and it's definitely time to start thinking of getting him into the ODI set-up too. I actually said he should be in the ODI team prior to the SL series since he was in sensational limited overs form in the domestic tournament but SA could really use a fresh face like him for the ODIs. I know he isn't in the squad for this upcoming ODI series but for the next one, he's got to be in there and guys like Graeme Smith or Faf du Plessis better start stringing some big scores together or their place is in jeopardy.
The boundaries, however, were ridiculous. A completely mis-timed top edge shouldn't be going for six. The ground is small as it is, why bring the ropes in?
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crabs
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Posted: 22 February 2012 at 9:29am |
Well played South Africa... well played! Didn't give up at all. NZ had it won right up until Ryder was closing in on his 50. Then for whatever reason the Kiwi's just couldn't seal the deal. Great game!
And actually, it proves how much of a farce the Duckworth/Lewis system is. When it started raining (and then in true Auckland fashion suddenly stopped) NZ would have won easily. It just goes to show!
Edited by crabs - 22 February 2012 at 9:39am
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sam_ahmed
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Posted: 22 February 2012 at 4:55pm |
wow! That was an unbelievable performance by RSA, held their nerve right till the end, didn't gave up and it paid off!
For a change someone choked in a game involving RSA... and it wasn't RSA!!!
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BackwardPoint
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Posted: 22 February 2012 at 5:14pm |
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I honestly have no idea how NZL lost that, at one stage they needed 20 runs off 27 balls with 6 wickets remaining and Jesse Ryder well set. That is probably the biggest T20I choke ever, can't remember seeing a worse one.
Credit to RSA, they bowled very poorly but last 4 overs were magnificent. Marchant de Lange really held his nerve well, bowling 7 deliveries and conceding only 2 runs (1 extra run for the no-ball itself) is a great effort. Ludicrous that he over-steps on the final delivery but did very well to bowl a dot ball next up. Also, fabulous stuff from Botha. Can someone please tell me why Peterson was preferred to him for the entirety of the SL ODI series? Botha is FAR superior with the ball and also much better with the bat. If Botha doesn't play ahead of Peterson in the ODIs, I might quite literally tear my hair out.
To be honest, this was NZL's best chance of winning a series. ODIs they have far less of a chance because SA will look much better balanced after Smith, Kallis and Steyn return and in the Tests, with Philander coming in, RSA will be red-hot favourites. Can't write off the Kiwis though.
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sam_ahmed
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Posted: 23 February 2012 at 3:40pm |
They are a tough side the Kiwis, BP. can never count them out, I like the look of their side at the moment, there are plenty of match winners in there, and their fielding is world class, if only Dan the man can come back, it'll make a complete team. Not very impressed by Hira or Tarun thus far.
RSA should still win and I want them to win, plenty of class in there and with Steyn Returning, there is nothing like it, after two ODI defetas to SLN in his absence and scrapping home in T20's, RSA will welcome Dale Steyn with both hands.
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Sledger
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Posted: 24 February 2012 at 6:38am |
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That knock of Levi's was extraordinary , 13 6's , even on a small ground takes some doing! He's been smashing 6's for fun for many years , as man and boy and as BP said , the IPL franchises will be keen to sign him up. One innings doesn't mean he'll take the world by storm as bowlers will find some way of keeping him quiet , but he has to be Smith's replacement at the top of the order in ODI's from now on. New Zealand are a useful bunch and in confident mood - the tests will make for interesting viewing.
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sam_ahmed
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Posted: 25 February 2012 at 3:47pm |
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very very good knock by AB and Du Plessis... RSA go 1-0 up although NZL had their moments in the game. AB DeVilliers, what a player he is!
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crabs
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Posted: 25 February 2012 at 10:44pm |
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Clinical win by South Africa after a bit of a scare at the start of their innings. Still scratching my head though why McCullum thought batting first was a good option? Please hurry back Ross Taylor and take control of the reins!
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BackwardPoint
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Posted: 27 February 2012 at 12:50pm |
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As was expected, Mumbai Indians have snapped up Levi. Their squad is immensely strong as it is, with this inclusion, they now look set to completely dominate the IPL.
Outstanding innings by AB and Faf. AB not only has ridiculous skill but also the intelligence to know how to pace an innings nowadays. He is the best in world cricket in my opinion. Faf is also a very talented boy, glad to see him making crucial runs to further cement his spot in the side. Only two major worries. One is the opening slot to partner Amla, Smith is looking too leg-side dominant these days and seems to be very uneasy. Surely Levi's red hot form has to earn him a shot sooner or later. The second big worry is the spinner slot, I really think RSA are unsure about how to use a spinner in ODIs. If they want an all-out, wicket-taking spinner then Tahir is the best bet. If they want a spinner who builds pressure slowly and offers a great deal of control then Botha is the clear man for the job. With Peterson, I really think they are just opting for someone who is neither and is just being played because he is a left-arm spinner turning it away from the right-handers. That's not a great policy. Kirsten is a smart man, hopefully he makes a decision either way and brings either Tahir or Botha in to the team permanently. I would say play Tahir on subcontinent tracks and Botha in NZ, AUS, SA, ENG.
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BackwardPoint
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Posted: 29 February 2012 at 11:50pm |
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Another clinical display from the Proteas and a brilliant spell of bowling from Morkel. What a horrible collapse from the Kiwis but it was always semi-expected if you pack your middle and lower order with all-rounders. NZL just don't have enough match-winning specialists. Everything seems to be clicking for RSA, bar Kallis making runs. They should really fancy the 3-0 in the Tests to go to number 1.
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crabs
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Posted: 01 March 2012 at 5:04am |
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I can't believe the batting collapse. An absolute disgrace. I'm meant to be going to the game in Auckland on Saturday but weather looks like it's gonna be bad.
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Posted: 01 March 2012 at 6:33am |
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A cakewalk in the end , but SA were impressive in that they never gave up when the Black Caps were cruising. I like AB's captaincy as well - bringing back Steyn to make a breakthrough worked perfectly and something I wouldn't have expected from Smith. He also had plenty of men inside the circle once they got on top - very positive cricket and got it's just reward.
Edited by Sledger - 01 March 2012 at 6:39am
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BackwardPoint
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Posted: 01 March 2012 at 7:23am |
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Yes, AB's captaincy was excellent both with regard to field settings and bowling changes. Now the only major qualm I have with him is why he keeps persisting with Peterson ahead of Botha. Botha bowls really well in the T20s and yet Peterson is the first choice spinner when he is incapable of bowling a consistent and troubling line. He is either too loopy and full or too flat and short. Tahir would be a far superior choice, his List A record is tremendous. Also, since his amazing efforts in the WC, he hasn't played an ODI. How do you drop a guy who has average 10 runs a wicket in all his ODIs to date. I find it really baffling.
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sam_ahmed
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Posted: 01 March 2012 at 5:11pm |
yes, it is very surprising that Tahir remains out of the side, quite strange actually because even RSA would know that by playing him they have better chances of winning the game but they still don't!
NZL are a decent side but have failed to kick on, they had their moments in both the games but just couldn't capitalize on them, they are already missing Daniel Vettori from this set up and Ross Taylor, arguably their best batsmen is desperately needed in the middle order. They still have some very good players but you feel someone like Stephen Fleming or Nathan Astle is still missing from the side... consistent performers and match winners like them is what NZL needs and someone like Ross Taylor or Guptil or Ryder will have to fill that gap.
Also a word on Hashim... once again, Superb!
Edited by sam_ahmed - 01 March 2012 at 5:12pm
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sam_ahmed
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Posted: 03 March 2012 at 10:18am |
3-0, RSA complete the clean sweep, another half century for Hashim and Merchant De Lange, well if he bowls this well, and if Tsotsobe can continue to get wickets, would you believe it, Steyn might find himself fighting for his place in the ODI side. Obviously Morne has been among the wickets as well.
Good innings too by Albie Morkel, I think now he is fighting for the all rounder's spot along with Parnell.
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Posted: 05 March 2012 at 10:16am |
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Another easy victory for the South Africans and a 5th straight loss for the Black Caps. I didn't expect it to be this easy and after Ryder's latest shananigans I think the rot will continue. They miss Vettori , they simply haven't got a bowler who can stop the bleeding. SA won the game at a canter - they haven't been stretched and I can't see that changing in the test matches. The return of Smith will be interesting - even if he fails I still see SA make total of over 500.
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BackwardPoint
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Posted: 05 March 2012 at 11:03am |
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sam - don't really think Morkel is fighting for his spot with Parnell. Parnell is meant to be a bowling all rounder whereas I'd say Morkel is in the side more as a batting all-rounder. With Steyn, Morkel, Tsotsobe, Botha (or Tahir), Kallis and a few overs of Duminy, you would rather have a batting all-rounder than a bowling all-rounder. I don't really rate Parnell at all, he is so inconsistent. I'd actually say Morkel is in the side purely for his batting, they hardly ever seem to bowl him with the amount of options RSA have with the ball.
A full-strength RSA ODI XI of Smith, Amla, Kallis, Duminy, de Villiers, du Plessis, A Morkel, Botha, Steyn, M Morkel and Tsotsobe looks incredibly strong and is certainly up there with the AUS ODI team.
These Tests are gonna be so difficult. I wonder if RSA will chance it and play 4 quicks, not really likely but imagine Steyn, Morkel, Philander and de Lange charging in on a quick, seaming wicket. Not going to be pretty.
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sam_ahmed
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Posted: 05 March 2012 at 4:13pm |
may be you are right BP, but honestly I was surprised when Albie was over looked for the WC, they just don't seem to rate him that highly the south africans. Parnell obviously has a lot of work to do, he is a decent player but nothing more than that, and to be in such a strong south african side, you'll have to be more than just decent. I always thought Nel was more deserving than Parnell when Parnell initially got a chance in the RSA team.
Tests will not be 3-0, I'd say 2-0 with one draw.
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Posted: 07 March 2012 at 4:51am |
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A wet and freezing cold start to the 1st test with no play in the first session. NZ won the toss and elected to bowl first and got Peterson early to one he played on the move and was plumb in front even though Aleem Dar thought otherwise. The review proved him wrong and he was gone. Smith made 50 against some rank bad bowling and at no time did he move his feet at all !! He eventually fell to an awful shot to a Chris Martin wide that he managed to reach and gift to cover - embarassing! The fun really started then on a pitch with no pace , no lateral movement or swing! Martin then removed the terribly out of form Kallis , 2nd ball and then AB de Villiers 1st ball to be on a hattrick ! He didn't get it , but 3 from 4 was pretty good! Amla looks class and ably supported by Rudolph , who's doing what the others didn't - leaving the wide stuff. Currently 154-4 after 41 overs with Amla 61* and Rudolph 28*
That Smith innings had to be seen to be believed - I got up quite late and saw the highlights. If I didn't know better I'd have thought him carrying a serious injury either to his back or leg for him to be so immobile at the crease - bloody awful !
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