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    Posted: 14 January 2010 at 9:17am
ENG in serious trouble... once again Colly and Bell will have to do the job!
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ENG in trouble means IND in trouble.SA's series loss would be great help for India's Test rankings.Collingwood spl please.
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Come on mate - cant you think beyond India's rankings?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote -JP- Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 January 2010 at 11:02am
Oh dear Raj, it's lunch on day one - far too early to be talking about rankings swings.

Great session of cricket though, South Africa on top early on before Collingwood and Bell's fightback.
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How well has Colly played this season. Awesome. Bell has also surprised me, I honestly did not think he will do this good. Colly probably enjoys batting in tougher situations which brings the best out of him. Top stuff - another cracker of a game is in the offing I suppose.
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I am enjoying it as long as it stays with us,Zuhair.We won't be there at the top for long time , right. So making the best use of it Wink and all the help that comes our way is welcome.

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Fair enough matey - dies hard supporter you are!!!
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I was about to say that let Raj enjoy it becuz they wont stay on top for long but he posted before me.
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Fair enough matey - dies hard supporter you are!!!
Come on, being an Indian by all means I will support India and Indian intetests in each and everything.
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Oh no , colly gone :(. Bell needs to carry on here.

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ENG in tatters... Morne is such a fine bowler, I wonder why he was dropped in the first place... great to see Steyn back in business... I like ENG but I want RSA to win because they have been so unlucky so many times... I feel bad for them sometimes!!!
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164/9 and Steyn bowling beautifully. I'm not too despondent as they have to bat on this too!  Still , I don't think it's a 170 track and England just didn't knuckle down and will have to bowl and catch like champions to get back in this.-
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Great catch by Amla first up, sheer reflexes involved there.  Morkel has come back good, he's a very fine talent, gets bounce and have pace.  Steyn deserved a fifer, just for the heart he bowled with in Cape Town.  Collingwood is the man, big reason why I don't call for him to be dropped, he really has been a good player these last few years.  He didn't carry on here but man, that pull of Parnell was just spectacular.
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In their short innings to date SA have shown a lot more application than England's willy nilly shotmakers managed, and with all the time left in the game now there is no pressure on them to push the scoring along which will suit them right down to the ground.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Sledger Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 January 2010 at 4:39am
Yes Clobs , they've the batsmen to do just that. I can't think of a player better suited to this situation than Kallis.  Very disappointing from an English perspective and they'll have to make quick inroads this morning to get back in this match.  They must restrict the South Africans to no more than a 100 lead and then bat sensibly second time around to have any chance at all.  
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Steyn seems to have found his best - pitching it up and swinging it at pace, something which was lacking from his side in the recent past. He is deadly when he pitches it right up your nose. Fantastic to watch!!
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Steyn is a very fine bowler, the guy simply just looks for wickets, by pitching them up and close to the stumps with the devastating late swing that you have to play at.
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3 more days or rain will do England just fine, it's hard to see anything else saving them.

It was good to see Smith and Amla look to push on today and not just bat attritionally, though I am sure Sledger needed a few lunchtime beers to calm himself of murderous intent towards his bete noire, Mr Harper!
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This SA bowling attack looks dangerous Ermm.

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ENG will surely lose this unless rain saves them, it'll be a fair result though, RSA outplayed them in every test except the second test but still ENG are leading 1-0! RSA's bowling as always is very good... Morne Morkel back in the side and back in form is such a welcome thing for them.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote -JP- Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 January 2010 at 10:52am
Even the rain couldn't save England - Collingwood aside, the batting has been disappointing in this Test.

Still, England will be happier with the 1-1 series result than South Africa and the second tour to South Africa in a row where the home side hasn't won the series.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote -JP- Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 January 2010 at 11:10am
And this just in from the ICC regarding the rankings:

Originally posted by ICC


South Africa has slipped further behind in its quest to regain the number-one spot in the Reliance Mobile ICC Test Championship table and can only now go top if Bangladesh beats number-one ranked India in the two-Test series which started in Chittagong on Sunday.

Reliance Mobile ICC Test Championship (as of 17 January 2010, after the end of South Africa and England series)

Rank   Team              Rating

1          India                124

2          South Africa   120

3          Australia          116

4          Sri Lanka         115

5          England           107

6          Pakistan           83

7          New Zealand  81

8          West Indies     77

9          Bangladesh     13

Really, there should be three sets of rankings - one for where the DRS is not used (India top, Sri Lanka 2nd, Bangladesh 3rd), one for where it's used but not with the full technology available (South Africa 1st, England 2nd, New Zealand 3rd, West Indies 4th) and then one for where it's used with all technology (Australia 1st, Pakistan 2nd).


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Post Options Post Options   Quote sam_ahmed Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 January 2010 at 11:34am
well nice win for RSA, it was inevitable really. ENG though fought hard in this series and I think in the end both teams will be happy with the result.

As for the UDRS, I think there should be some standardization, either the same rules apply to all nations or none... what is happening is not at all acceptable. Also the path of the Hawk Eye should not be considered, most of the times we get a feeling that it is not correct, only the point at which the ball hits the pad should be considered apart from Edges and No-Ball verification, that will make the system fairer and ready to use full time.


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Forget all this third umpire and UDRS, The solution is so simple yet god knows why it can't be used. Anyway umpires decision were final earlier,use the same principle with little modificaitons, when umpires are in doubt about a decision(esp lbw and contentious caught behind), provide a instant replay for on feild umpire, umpire can have look at it once or twice and make a decision on what fact he has got.Let that be final.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote sam_ahmed Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 January 2010 at 7:12pm
Fair enough Raj, but what if the umpire is certain that the batsmen is out, when in reality he isn't?or vice versa.


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Post Options Post Options   Quote Clobber Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 January 2010 at 9:28pm
Just a lamentable performance from the batsmen in this match, but as I said before this Test, a 1-1 scoreline represent a creditable result from England in this series and most would have taken it before the first Test.
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Originally posted by sam_ahmed

Fair enough Raj, but what if the umpire is certain that the batsmen is out, when in reality he isn't?or vice versa.
when one of them feel that wrong decision is given (bowler or batsman), they can ask review.Umpire can have a quick look at it again and make a decision which will be final.Asking reviews against a decision which was correct (and obvious for everyone to see) will have to be dealt with some sort of punishements, so that players do not make it as a habit.
 
My idea is all those lbw and faint edges , umpires have to see the replay and give out or not out. For run outs,boundary feilding and grounded or not catch decisions.Third umpires can give the verdit.


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...though I am sure Sledger needed a few lunchtime beers to calm himself of murderous intent towards his bete noire, Mr Harper!


 Beer and valium Clobs !!  The only elite panel Harper should be on is that esteemed body , The EPCC  -  Better known as The Elite Panel of Circus Clowns.

  The ICC said they would investigate the complaint made by the ECB about Harper's incompetence and I fully expect a lot of bluster in the coming weeks. What I also expect is his continued presence on the cricket field (scary) and also in the 3rd umpire's chair (even scarier).  For once the ICC could make a decision that any reasonable body would find simple - just fire him.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Sledger Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 January 2010 at 6:09am
As for the cricket , well England got blown away by some ferocious fast bowling from Steyn and Morkel. The selection of Sidebottom over Onions has to be questioned - not that Sidebottom bowled badly , he didn't , but that Onions had performed well on unhelpful surfaces and came out with much credit. He must have felt rather peeved not to get a go on a pitch with something in it.
             So 1-1 it is and as Clobs has said , most English fans (and players , if they are honest) would've taken that at the outset.  The successes and disappointments were surprising - Cook and Bell with the bat were consistently good , as was the ever reliable Collingwood.  Swann's great form continued and his haul of 21 wickets was tremendous - spinners (Warne aside) don't do particularly well down here.  Onions impressed too , as did Anderson in patches , although he had a poor match in Joburg - maybe that knee injury finally caught up with him.  KP was poor apart from his 2nd knock at Centurion. A lot has been written about his mental state and he did seem frenetic or frozen at different times - the swagger had gone and the South Africans just wouldn't let him off the hook. Trott was up and down and very poor in the last test , but he needs a decent run and maybe a lot of runs in Bangladesh will cement his spot in the side.  Prior's keeping was splendid , the work with French obviously paying dividends. His batting is worrying though - when England have runs aplenty , he's excellent , but when he has to change gears and stay there , he struggles.
              Broad infuriated me at times (sorry Clobs!) - his petulance is becoming tiresome and someone needs to rein him in. He's a fine prospect , but he needs to grow up. I'd bat Swann above him in Bangladesh too.
                Finally the skipper - just 1 half century was very disappointing , but it was the innings that catalysed the other batsmen and led to that resounding victory in Durban. Otherwise he battled and rarely looked the player we know he is. His captaincy was solid rather than assured and maybe each decision he took after winning the toss was the wrong one !  He's stil the best man for the job though and I hope he does go to Bangladesh - he needs to make some runs before the summer and make his mark as a captain.

      Finally , well done SA - terrifically intense cricket in the last test and that should give them confidence ahead of the Indian tour.


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Strauss not going to Bangladesh Sledger - Cook will skipper the side over there.
 
I also agree with Sledger, Swann should bat ahead of Broad, he's batted amazingly in his career so far. 
 
I think the best positive of this tour for the South Africans is the resurgence of Morkel.  A nasty bowler for batsmen to handle when he is bowling well.
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