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    Posted: 07 August 2012 at 6:10pm
Oh no , reports out that this could be KP's last test , very unfortunate if that happens. 

No prize for guessing where will all the blame go inspite of all other real issues with the management and politics that led to this fiasco, it will be IPL that will be blamed as root cause of all the problems.Funny world!
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even if England lose the test No.1 ranking, they have a consolation of becoming the new No.1 team in ODI's... after Australia, ENG are only the 2nd team to hold the No.1 ranking in both Tests and ODI's at the same time. Thumbs Up

All that could change though, in a month's time RSA could snatch both those positions from ENG and become the first team to hold all the the No.1 spots of Tests, ODI's and T20's at the same time!!! all they need is series wins in Tests, ODI's and T20's on this tour!!!


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Really shocking u-turn by Pietersen to me it all looks fake i mean he just want to play T20 world cup hope i'm wrong but still the way he said really does not look right something is really big going on behind door.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote sam_ahmed Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 August 2012 at 1:10am
I'm happy that KP has seen the light and has returned to the England fold, the number of times he's said "I love playing for England" makes you feel he really does. The main thing that appears is that he has back tracked on IPL demands which was the most important thing, Andy Flower should be a happy man now... got to say Andy Flower along with Gary Kirsten and perhaps Dav Whatmore are the three best coaches in the world right now.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote MalhotraRaj84 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 August 2012 at 3:14pm
"Pietersen dropped over text messages" , this is the reality not because of IPL.

I can bet if KP would not have released that apology video, the blame would have been put on greed for money and IPL and KP would have been dropped. Foolish anti IPL guys would have life long cribbed that IPL robbed KP's Test career. 

Now as KP said playing for England was his priority and ready to play to England as first priority, the real reason comes forefront, some text message sent to SA players, which SA authorities maintain that it was just a friendly banter.
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This is beginning to become a joke...
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Post Options Post Options   Quote sam_ahmed Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 August 2012 at 6:31pm
there are some brainless people who continue to defend IPL for reasons unknown, as if they have some share in the event, it is quite clear that KP had issues being available for the series against NZL next year because he wanted to be a part of full IPL season, something the ECB was not ready for... it was a majoe issue at hand which he addressed.

That he is dropped over text messages in a completely different issue, it is like shouting "Aamer has been banned for spot fixing and IPL has nothing to do with it"... so what? yes IPL has nothing to do with it... 
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Very much agree with Sam it all started because of IPL and i feel Pietersen thing was a complete drama as he just wanted to show that he is a good guy and really want to play for England but in reality he was aware of him already been out of 3rd test and now most people will say that Its ECB who don't want him to play but i really happy that ECB did the right thing players like Pietersen deserve this.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote MalhotraRaj84 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 August 2012 at 7:57pm
Now that KP won't be playing, the team looses bit of its charm ... atleast I loved to watch him play, but as they say no one is irreplaceable,sports work or wherever. England will move on, but then they will miss him for sure at certain times in future...Just as much KP would miss playing cricket.

However England should somehow try to level the series to retain the No 1 spot. Good if they do for themselves and bit for India too Wink, coz if at all they won't level this sereis, then their points will reduce from 122 to 118/117 and even if India beat them this winter, then India won't be getting much points.
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It's sad but unfortunately I think they have done the only thing they could. The video was too little too late.

For what it's worth, according to a reliable source the texts were along the lines of "Flower's just a headmaster", "Strauss thinks he's Mr Perfect", and "England only got to No 1 by beating crap teams".
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Post Options Post Options   Quote sam_ahmed Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 August 2012 at 12:41am
I don't think this is the end of KP's international career  by any means, if he is honest and he has sent those text messages then I don't see any reason why KP won't apologize for that, and if ENG want him back, I don't see any reason why they won't accept his apology.

Things are always very simple, just be true to yourself, everyone makes mistakes, do the right things to rectify those mistakes and things will definitely fall in place.

I once did terribly bad in an exam, for the first time in my life I knew I'll have a backlog, being a cricket crazy lad since ever, good old Ravi Shastri's words came to my mind LOL ... I somehow remembered him once saying "everyone makes mistakes, it's people who learn from those mistakes are the ones who get rated" ... this inspired me... I put my head down , next attempt cleared my backlog, and never ever had a backlog again in my life! 


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           The only positive that I see in this whole episode, it has opened the eyes of many people ... atleast those guys who have atleast some ability to think logically and practically, have seen lot of changes in what people post after the real reason was disclosed. However there will always be some absolute morons who do not understand that the real reason is not the IPL, but personal reasons for rift between management and player that leads to all this controversies.

Is this the end of road for KP?  If those text were sent by him and the content is what Clobs had posted, I am not sure if that should lead to a permanent damage.

I agree he should not have sent any of those messages esp. to an opponent team,but the first two message which relates to England about Coach and Captain is not derogatory by any means. The final one , the third message is however "England only got to No 1 by beating crap teams" is the something to be concerned, coz it kind of undermines the team's hard work and achievement, but then India played badly in that tour, while they had hard earned victory against the Aussies.

Maybe some period of suspension and he should be back.
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Congrats to ECB, KP is an arrogant person who thinks he's above everyone else.  Show him you're not WICB or PCB who got no balls.  Players must never be allowed to think they're bigger than the game.  Show him who is the boss.  Great players always come and go in the game, he's not the last that England will have!
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Yes Spinny and the thing to note is that England only got to number 1 because of the whole team and Cook, Trot, Andersen and Broad were the major reason for it not Pietersen. 
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I hope this is not the end of KP!
Yes, England have taken the right decision and that too before a crucial test match. The team is obviously bigger than the individual. Having said that, the middle order looks really vulnerable now. I guess Bell has to be moved up and should play in between Taylor and Bairstow. Personally I would have given Morgan the go because he's got that flair about him!

England would have been 2-0 down had it not been for KP in the 2nd test so they are up for a big challenge. Hope the others rise to the occasion. SA firm favourites though!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote spin wizard Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 August 2012 at 3:20pm
Yes Mystery, KP wasn't in the best of nick for some time and England were still winning games comprehensively.
 
I know KP is a really good player, made a fantastic century in the last game, but a professional approach to the game by Flower and co is why England are where they are now, and good of them to stay on that part.  Its why they can be on top and England and Pakistan will fight for the scraps - those 2 boards got no balls!!
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SA reveal their goal to become No. 1 Test team Big smile. Eng has 122 points while SA has 113 points, SA have a golden opportunity now to get bulk points, 
1. If they maintain the lead, ENG and SA both will have 118 points with SA edging out ENG as No 1 on fractions
2. If they go better and make it  2-0 , they will be at 120 while ENG will slip to 117
3. If ENG pull one back , SA will get +1 and move to 114, while ENG will lose -1 and be there at top with 121 points

This is an opportunity that needs to be grabbed by both hands, will they or will they choke ? 

My gut feeling is SA , knowing all this might not go for victory from the outset, they might be happy with safety first approach which might backfire, Kirsten might have plans but then it is the players who need to execute it, the SA team has always been team which falters when it matters the most.

On the other hand ENG will want to win it for two reasons which are very obvious.I don't see any reason why ENG can't win at Lords, I guess the record against SA on this ground is not great for ENG, which they would want to put it back.

Expect a double century from either Cook or Strauss at Lords. A Cracking Test at our hands Smile.


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In the last test i think England's hope will depend on the toss IF they bat first than we will have a good match but if SA bat first than its game over for England.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote sam_ahmed Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 August 2012 at 6:50pm
can't see ENG fighting back, esp without KP, RSA will either win or draw this easily. They should win actually, nothing great about ENG's batting, if they have Bopara and Baristow at 5 and 6 then God save ENG!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote sam_ahmed Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 August 2012 at 12:48am
Good fightback by RSA, and good to see players other than the top 4 among the runs... looks like a sportive pitch, ENG will struggle big time. 

One thing I found strange about the KP episode... the ECB delayed naming the final test squad by half a day so that KP could apologize, turns out that KP apologizes for statements made after the headingly test and addressed his issues w.r.t his availability etc... they said he didn't apologize for the text messages he sent and hence he was not picked.

Now KP has apologized for the texts, and now they say there are issues pertaining to "Trust and Mutual respect" which will take "time" to get sorted out ... so what was all that drama of delaying the squad announcement by half a day, if they already knew the problem will take "Time" to get addressed anyways? pathetic illogical people! 

However, I also agree that whatever statements KP made after Headingly were unnecessary, and highlighted his irresponsible and arrogant attitude, esp since he made those statements after scoring a match saving century, may be he was thinking now he is bigger than the team that he has got runs.

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Partnerships between Rudolph and Duminy, then Duminy and Philander plumped South Africa's total but it's no more than respectable on what seems a good pitch. They'll rue a couple of contentious dismissals - and Kallis was definitely sawn off by the third umpire - but the lower order have prevented a massacre and there's plenty to play for tomorrow
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England have to bat until after lunch tomorrow - but if they get level with South Africa, they'll have a chance of winning the game. Instead of two heavyweights, South Africa have been a heavyweight and England have been like a middleweight trying to stay on terms with them
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Post Options Post Options   Quote sam_ahmed Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 August 2012 at 7:05pm
Hashim and AB are they as we head in to the last 2 days of the test, what a gripping test match this has been and luckily I have been able to follow it, considering it's Eid time I'm spending some time at home!

A lead of around 350 is what I'm hoping for... means another 220- 230 runs, Hash, AB, Rudolph and JP... hopefully RSA should be able to get there.
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I have one question on Prior-Morkel Stumping, I heard some commentator few months back saying that both the bails needs to be broken as per new rules?
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8 wickets away from sealing the No.1 ranking South Africa... another century for Hashim, a special one on the day of Eid in most parts of the world!!!

Well done South Africa, now go for the kill tomorrow... nothing's done, until it's done.
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Its curtains No 1 status for England. In all probability it is just under a day now that they will have to relinquish what they achieved last Aug 22nd 2011 beating India. 

Unfortunate but the way they have played since getting to No 1 status does not  auger well, 3-0 loss to Pakistan, 1-1 draw against SL, 2-0 win against WI (1 draw) and it almost looks like 2-0 loss at home to SA unless few batsman from English camp do what VVS and RD did in Kolkata 2001.It's a situation like that.

Before the series started I had said that if they do not win this series, they would probably go down as No 1 that wasn't, the results don't speak much in their case, in many matches that they lost, it was close ... which could have gone either way, probably it was just a bad time, but then it is the cost of being No 1.Home or Away, it is always difficult to be Number 1 for a long time. England were lucky in a way, their points had reduced midway, but as rankings calculations were recalculated their points again increased by 6 points few months back, even that was not sufficient to retain the No 1 spot (I mean in all likelihood tomorrow).They got themselves to blame, bit of selections, some drops cost them dearly and maybe some form issues too with key players. I had never thought that England would be in such a situation, at max, I felt England will draw the series if they had a bad season.

For me lesson learnt , never guess what happens in England, for second time in a row my anticipations/ prediction/ guess has been way of the mark.

Now beating England won't fetch much points, got to hunt SA down to get that spot Smile.


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The highest fourth-innings target successfully chased so far at Lord's is 342,by West indies in 1984. They did so losing just one wicket. There have been only two other succesful chase of 200-plus targets.

Hashim Amla finished the series with an aggregate of 482. It's the third highest for South Africa in a series of three or fewer Tests, behind Jacques Kallis' 498 versus India in 2010-11, and Amla's 490 in two Tests versus the same team in 2010.

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Philander has brilliant start South Africa. He moved the ball brilliantly and removed both England openers.Bell and Trott have batted admirably against Steyn and Morkel, but they will be very chalange tomorrow morning ,I think 330 runs last day of this enthralling Test to save very difficulty
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What a wonderful match finally Prior goes and its all SA now!
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Congratulations to SA on getting No1, hope this time their stay at the top is extended.
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