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    Posted: 24 July 2012 at 5:33am

English Bowlers can take 20 Wickets, probably in the series, not in a match. Then why didn't you? After being white-washed by PAK, Strauss has been spoiled by taking 20 Wickets of Indian and West Indian Teams in England, not South Africans.That this is SA not India and West Indian .

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England can save the  series or not - is still guesswork, but what's for sure is that they are good and professionally strong enough to come back stronger.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Sledger Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 July 2012 at 8:20am
No miraculous backs-to-the-wall heroics , a complete annihilation by a finely tuned unit. I agree with an earlier comment , Gary Kirsten is some coach !  Dale Steyn showed yet again why he's the finest strike bowler on the planet and might well rewrite the record books.  Graeme Smith was very relaxed at the post match interview and that confidence is something England will have to undermine if they're to get back in this series.  Luckily they've over a week to lick their wounds and rest some tired bodies (and minds).  I expect some serious improvements next week , but if they're to turn this around I think SA will have to go off the boil a little and all the luck goes England's way.

    A truly brilliant last 4 days by the South Africans - probably as good as I've ever seen since the all conquering Aussies of yesteryear - they are on fire.
    
    Right , now just where is that humble pie......................Ouch
   
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Originally posted by MalhotraRaj84

        In England sometimes the conditions can be cruelly against you just for a session or two which could change the complexion of the entire game.SA took advantage of second day conditions and there you are , now it looks like it is absolutely impossible for England to come back in the series. 

I would love to see if SA can survive a similar challenging conditions when they come into bat in next few matches, this 637-2 looks too bad on English bowling , but then test cricket is all about surviving the challenging session otherwise even the easier conditions stack against you. 


What??? RSA won because they took advantage of better conditions??? ENG were crusing along at the end of day 1, RSA had the courage to fight back, then post a humongous total which even on ROAD is not easy to achieve, and then they bowled ENG out just like that! ... all this because of conditions and pressure on ENG batting???!!!???... Steyn, Philander, Tahir, Morne and Kallis are fools??? *Double face palm*


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Post Options Post Options   Quote MalhotraRaj84 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 July 2012 at 2:56am
Sam you should put a habit of reading the entire post properly.

My post is pretty clear and nowhere it belittles the achievement or ability of SA, don't put your inference to what I have posted because it is way off the mark. 
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Post Options Post Options   Quote spin wizard Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 July 2012 at 5:59am
For SA, just look a the test batting rankings, 4 guys within the top 10.  De Villers and Amla especially playing the best cricket of their lives, and Kallis seems to be doing a Tendulkar, his body just doesn't seem to want to give up cricket.  England got some fine batsman in their ranks too, but the form of Amla and De Villers alone puts SA's batting ahead.  Both teams have pretty good bowling attacks, and pretty good batting attacks.  SA maybe just a little stronger due to the batting form.  Morkel is mostly hot and cold and Tahir hasn't been brilliant yet, so can't really say the bowling is stronger than England. 

SA's greatest test will be facing england under cloud cover, with Bresnan, Anderson, Broad all being capable of swinging it and that's when they're at their ruthless best. But for me, without a doubt, SA's batting is a tad stronger than England.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote sam_ahmed Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 July 2012 at 4:46pm
may be only you can understand your posts Raj. Confused

Spinny, with Hashim I think it's not just about form, it's also about sheer determination, I have never seen this man taking his batting casually or for granted at any stage ever since his come back, may be we can compare him to Rahul Dravid, amazing will to do well every time he comes out to bat, and his concentration levels never fall... I remember that Kolakata test when Hashim and Morne almost saved the test for RSA on day 5, Hashim scored a century in each innings in that game, and while all other southafricans were struggling, Hashim was like, I'm not getting out, you only have the other end to get wickets. Eventually all others got out and India leveled the series.

AB on the other hand is more flamboyant, brilliant batsmen no doubt, he is more attacking as well, perhaps has more shots in his book than Amla, but Amla certainly is the more consistent and solid of the two.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote spin wizard Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 July 2012 at 5:43am
AB De Villers will take the game away from you, that's the difference right now between the 2.  I will say AB is better currently.  Remember that game in the IPL where he made 47 off about 17 balls when he murdered Dale Steyn.  That's the difference, AB currently can be cruising, then switch gears and blister an attack apart.
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AB is the real deal - probably the finest batsmen to have emerged in the last 8-10 years
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Post Options Post Options   Quote sam_ahmed Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 July 2012 at 7:08pm
I'd probably rate both of them at par as batsmen, but AB is a brilliant fielder too, he can keep wickets as well, an excellent runner between the wickets, and I agree he can switch gears at will. But batting wise I'd rate both of them at par, Amla is not made for T20's, that's the way he is, we can't say AB is a better batsmen just because he can score more rapidly.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote MalhotraRaj84 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 August 2012 at 9:00pm
I think we are going to see a Rising star soon, James Taylor, boy his strokes look good, signs of greatness in store. Waiting for action and cloud cover please!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Clobber Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 August 2012 at 10:53am
yes Raj, I have raved about Taylor on here for a while now so am pleased that he is getting his go - maybe a year earlier than would have been ideal, he has plenty of belief in himself.
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194/3 RSA doing well here despite two of their best batsmen Hashim and Kallis getting out cheaply, Petersen closing in on his hundred, is another brilliant knock when under tremendous pressure by Alviro.

James Taylor gets his well deserved chance, Bopara was never going to be the answer, Morgan is good but both Bopara and Morgan look better limited overs players, esp Morgan who has played some match winning knocks in ODI's.

I don't know how good late Tom Maynard was, this could have been his break through year, and I feel terribly sad at what has happened to such a fine young cricketer...however, at the moment James Taylor is definitely the best option to try for England.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote spin wizard Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 August 2012 at 4:12am
I've never really rated Bopara, goes down in the same boat as Rohit Sharma.  Talent, but too relaxed in their approach when at the crease.  Kohli is currently the finest example of what make great cricketers, that determination to exceed!!  You don't see that with Sharma, Bopara.  Yuvraj once also talked about how he wished he took the game seriously like Kohli does, and the way he approaches the game.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Sledger Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 August 2012 at 8:13am
I'm very unhappy with England's starting XI - leaving out Swann has to be a serious error.  Add to that , winning the toss and deciding to bowl in fine conditions tells me that the hammering at the Oval has left many scars.  I suppose playing without a spinner meant they had to bowl first , but I think the visitors would have been very happy with the opposition's XI - especially the left handers in the side.
           Peterson did very well after a shaky start and will be hoping to continue the good work this morning. England have to egt into them quickly whilst the ball is new and I believe they'll need to bowl them out for no more than 350 to have a chance of a 1st innings lead.  Broad bowled poorly in te 1st session , but recovered well with the 2nd new ball - they need that aggression today. That dismissal of Smith , called a dead ball by the umpire gave rise to plenty of debate in my local. I can't remember seeing a reprieve like that in all my cricket watching life , but I can understand the decision.  It must have unsettled Finn and I think he needs to net with 3 stumps at the bowlers end to try and overcome the problem.
                I put SA just a shade ahead right now , but if these two make any sort of partnership England could be in deep doodah.  Rudolph knows the conditions and with Duminy still to come , there's a lot of work still to be done.
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The Finn thing with the stumps was a clever piece of gamesmanship by Smith, getting right into the umpires after the first couple of times it happened, and I bet he couldn't believe just how well and quickly it paid off.

Unless Finn does sort it out quickly, every team on the planet will be at the umpires as soon as he does it from now on.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Sledger Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 August 2012 at 9:14am
Yes Clobs , Smith was quick to bring it up with the umpires and that had to have an impact on the decision.  Can we expect that every time a wicket falls and the wicket at the bowler's end is broken , that dead ball will be called ?
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Sky mischievously showed Finn bowling Michael Clarke in the ODI series after kicking over the stumps at the bowling end, and suggested Clarke would be ruing that now!
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Not playing Swann was a huge mistake, I have not seen ENG make such desperate moves in a long time, they are normally very assured of their batting and bowling line ups, always go in with a quality spinner in the side, this was a move in desperation to do something different after what happened in the first test.

RSA in control at the end of Day 2, I hope Steyn, Morne and Vernon get some early wickets tomorrow, otherwise ENG can reach position of safety. If both teams score around 400 runs it puts unnecessary pressure on the team playing the 3rd innings of the match, a collpase and you could be in trouble, that is what ENG will be hoping for.
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England need to bat for about a day and half here, get about 200 to 250 lead here to level the series.If England manage a sizable lead, I'm sure SA will crumble.

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Game still evenly poised at the moment.  Its been a pretty good test series so far, that's for sure.
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Petersen of RSA gets a century, now Pietersen of ENG gets a century, a scintillating one.

RSA need to be careful here, they need to bat well in their second innings to ensure nothing goes wrong.
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                What an innings from KP , turned the match on its head. Titch played his part in putting off all his shots and just giving rotating the strike back to KP, so that he takes them to safety. That was one of the very important test match partnerships.
With just 68 runs behind , 5 wickets in hand and 2 days to go ... England firmly in driver's seat now. 
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The series is living up to its name so far. Very evenly poised match. Good to see some competitive test cricket after a while. Pietersen was fantastic. This is the best I`ve seen of him since his 03-05 form (which was probably his best in my opinion). Agressive but safe and impossible to dislodge. Watching Steyn getting hammered was not fun but I guess it just shows Pietersen`s dominance today.

Other than that the seamers from both sides need to work on their lines. Too many half trekkers and balls on leg stumps. But this series is probably going to go South Africas way unless the English batting step up. In both tests the batsmen have been going after loose deliveries.
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Pietersen gone early, Morne strikes!!! South Africa hit back!
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The rain ruins whatever chance there was of a positive result for either side.  After England got parity on 1st innings they logically were the ones who could force a result , but that's not going to happen now.  Pietersen's innings was special and Steyn can thank his lucky stars that that return "catch" cleared his head , otherwise he'd need brain surgery !  Just a pity KP couldn't go on yesterday , but the SA openers looked pretty comfortable - Rudolph's county experience at Yorkshire being invaluable here.
                 So a dull draw , unless SA fall apart this morning and then on to Lords for the final test. I'm in England from Friday , so I'll be hoping for better weather and an England win !  Big holiday for me - I get to meet my 8 month old granddaughter for the 1st time and then give my daughter away at the wedding! 
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England 38/1 in 7 overs ... 214 to get now from minimum of 32 overs, gettable I'd say. Go England , chase it down. 
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Predictable draw in the end, RSA cannot lose the series now, should try for a 2-0 win at Lords. Kallis and Alviro are injury concerns but there is enough time between the tests for them to recover and also South Africa have enough batting strength to get over it.
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Thanks Sam . Yes , an interesting final day and just a pity that the rain intervened.  Another 20 overs available and either side might have won the match , but it wasn't to be.   So Lords next week and England have to find a way to win against a side they have an abysmal record against at that ground!  In the last 4 meetings they've been comprehensively beaten on 3 occasions , only drawing the last meeting after making SA follow on four year ago.  Recent history tells us that the pitch at Lords holds up well (probably too well!) for the duration of the contest. A change in scheduling means that the timing is different - it's usually the 1st test against a top side , so maybe the conditions will be different.   England will be wanting a result wicket , probably with a little more grass than usual , but that could backfire.  Do they go in with 5 bowlers and leave out Taylor - it's an option , but something they're unlikely to try.
             Whatever happens , lets just hope for decent weather and a grand finale. This SA side is more positive than it's predecessors and I expect they'll give it their all to win. As for England , 5 losses in the last 10 tests is not that expected from the top ranked side and if they don't win , they don't deserve than ranking.


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