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    Posted: 19 December 2011 at 4:30pm
They have to pin hopes on him, they don't have another reliable 3rd seamer, which is why I would like to see de Lange given a try in the next game. Let's see how he fares on the international stage, albeit against rather mediocre opposition. Hell, drop Prince and slot in de Lange, SA will still win comfortably.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 December 2011 at 6:32pm
I agree with spinny, when I first saw Philander he wasn't impressive at all but he looks a much better bowler now and moves it both ways. The tracks in RSA are definitely more helpful but I think Philander can do well even on less helpful tracks. He really has come a long way at least by the look of it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 December 2011 at 5:31am
Philander's improvement is testament to hard graft and he deserves the credit for that. I think Allan Donald had some input that toughened up the man - he is noticeably fitter now and had no problem bowling into a typically stiff southeaster at Newlands for sustained periods. Obviously taking wickets helps , but I'm willing to give him a pat on the back.
           Mikey, Philander is a bright lad and knows there are sterner tests ahead , the wickets will dry up at some stage but I expect him to just do a job then and keep batsmen as quiet as he can.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 December 2011 at 9:50am
Originally posted by Sledger

Philander's improvement is testament to hard graft and he deserves the credit for that. I think Allan Donald had some input that toughened up the man - he is noticeably fitter now and had no problem bowling into a typically stiff southeaster at Newlands for sustained periods. Obviously taking wickets helps , but I'm willing to give him a pat on the back.
           Mikey, Philander is a bright lad and knows there are sterner tests ahead , the wickets will dry up at some stage but I expect him to just do a job then and keep batsmen as quiet as he can.




Philander is obviously bowling to a plan, and he know his limitations. He doesn't try to bowl to quick and uses natural variation as well as anyone. But for the sake of SAF cricket, he needs to always be considered the 3rd pace bowler and that means Steyn and Morkel have to continue being consistent, as Philander will not be as effective on dryer surfaces. At the moment it is working out perfectly and I think his unfulfilled potential with the bat will come into effect soon, as he faces stiffer tasks with the ball. This will be an invaluable for SAF, who went from having recognised batsmen and all rounders up until no.10 in the 90s to having a very long tail as they do now.

It would also be wise for SAF to keep looking at other options though, like de Lange or Tsotsobe. We've seen what has happened with Australia, with fast bowlers getting injured all the time. The depth of fast bowlers hasn't yet been fully tested in South Africa, but the first choices are among the best in the world.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 December 2011 at 10:25am
I've not mentioned Philander's batting , but it is more than useful  down the order.  de Lange is inexperienced and I can't see him featuring anytime soon. If there is a change (maybe for Newlands after another easy win) Tsotsobe could be recalled after a slight strain - he did okay in the January test at the same venue.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 December 2011 at 10:56am
I mention de Lange because I do not really rate Parnell with the ball and I am not sure who else is considered to be a top rate fast bowler in SAF. He impressed me though when he played against Australia recently.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 December 2011 at 11:22am
de Lange is now streets ahead of Parnel in the pecking order. Parnel's bowling such dross in the domestic competitions and won't be considered unless all 4 of the front liners break down!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 December 2011 at 11:45am
His batting is coming along well, but he looks distracted and I think it will take a great deal of work for him to be test standard. I dare say Australia has much better depth in fast bowling, but South Africa's first choices are superior.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 December 2011 at 4:17pm
Do you guys think Morkel is better than Finn? They're fairly similar bowlers, I'm quite interested to see how you guys rank the two. Obviously Morkel has more experience but I actually think Finn is a more consistent and faster bowler. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 December 2011 at 5:11pm
I'd say Morkel is miles ahead of Finn at the moment, I rate Morkel almost at par with Steyn, the only problem with Morne is that when he is in rhythm he bowls as good as anybody as we saw against India last year, but when he is off color he struggles a bit, Steyn is more consistent, esp in the longer format.

Having said that I think Finn is a talented bowler and has the potential to go a long way, I thought he was the pick of the English bowlers in the recently concluded ODI series in India and I thought he bowled brilliantly.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 December 2011 at 7:15am
I think Morkel has the edge mainly because bastmen don't like facing him . He's erratic though and that must be frustrating for Smith and company. When a partnership is blossoming it's useful having bowlers who'll try and contain and that's something that Morkel finds difficult - there always seems to be a four ball around the corner.  Finn can do that job and no doubt that batsmen have to play at more deliveries , but when he gets it right Morkel is more potent.

         On Monday Morne has a chance to rectify a slow start to this series. The pitch will offer a bit on day 1 but will flatten out into a batsman's paradise thereafter.  The ball might swing a bit but seam movement will be minimal.  Bowlers will have to graft and I'll be watching Philander closely in this one. The weather forecast isn't great - the summer has been very wet in Natal and that's going to plague this match on almost every day. Still , there should be enough time to win the game - there can only be two possible results and the worst one for the home side would be the draw.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 December 2011 at 5:42pm
Slightly better performance by Sri Lanka this time round, Merchant De Lange could be in for a 5 for - another one for a debutante, how many debutantes have had 5 for's this season! I'm losing count!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 December 2011 at 5:27pm
What an astonishing performance by Sri Lanka!!!!!! never expected this from them, my predictions for the day in the ICC game took a REAL beating today!!!

A word on Merchant de Lange... 7 wickets on debut, now that is impressive, Philander, De Lange, Morne, Steyn... boy do RSA have fast bowling talent or what!!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 December 2011 at 4:11am
Amazing stuff from Sri Lanka, Marsh will be really stoked to finally see his lads make some progress.

South Africa have taken a leaf out of the Australian selector's books and have gone with a young, raw pace bowler and he has come off well. Yet another kid to take 5-for on debut, already seen Lyon, Cummins, Pattinson, Philander take 5 on debut this year! I tipped de Lange to play soon, and was nice to see the Saffers go for youth.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 December 2011 at 5:58am
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Marsh will be really stoked to finally see his lads make some progress.

Shaun just avoided a pair - and Mitchell is nowhere in the reckoning I think Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 December 2011 at 6:23am
sam - this is why ENG are a better side. When they get on top, they don't relinquish the initiative. IND thought they could fight back after losing at Lord's but ENG just kept getting better. SA are very patchy, they can be brilliant one second and ordinary the next. SA should really be beating SL 3-0 on paper but they get lazy at times and don't destroy teams when they have the quality to do so. I think SL's fighting spirit coupled with SA's laziness will win SL this Test. I might die of shock if SA can win this match, they pulled off a win from a 188 deficit in the 47 all out Test, surely not again. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 December 2011 at 4:13pm
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Originally posted by Mikey

Marsh will be really stoked to finally see his lads make some progress.

Shaun just avoided a pair - and Mitchell is nowhere in the reckoning I think Wink


Wrong lads!!!!!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 December 2011 at 5:36pm
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sam - this is why ENG are a better side. When they get on top, they don't relinquish the initiative. IND thought they could fight back after losing at Lord's but ENG just kept getting better. SA are very patchy, they can be brilliant one second and ordinary the next. SA should really be beating SL 3-0 on paper but they get lazy at times and don't destroy teams when they have the quality to do so. I think SL's fighting spirit coupled with SA's laziness will win SL this Test. I might die of shock if SA can win this match, they pulled off a win from a 188 deficit in the 47 all out Test, surely not again. 

I'd agree BP, spot on. In fact I'm surprised because RSA on paper are such a formidable team, not one weak link, they are such a terrific side but they somehow manage to lose to teams they shouldn't (imagine losing to the black caps in the WC when no one gave NZL a chance).

you are right about ENG, they kept coming hard at India while RSA tend to either choke or get complacent. It's interesting because you look at ENG and how they lost 5-0 to India in the ODI's they looked clueless, I bet RSA won't surrender like that, they will perhaps even beat India in India, in fact are the only team not to have lost a test series in India in last 6 years, that way RSA look tougher, but as BP pointed out, they are patchy and can't dominate like how England can!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 December 2011 at 5:50pm
Sri Lanka win their first ever test in South Africa, what a memorable day for a team that was really struggling. 

I'm very disappointed though, RSA are among my favts teams and I didn't expected this from them, they need to come back hard, really hard at the Lankans at Cape Town and I won't rule out an Innings win for the proteas come the new years test.

Just a word on Hashim, two half centuries in two innings when everyone else was struggling, this man has the capability to be the best batsmen in the world for a long time, he has a game for all situations and has performed even on the most difficult of wickets. Hashim ... love you!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 December 2011 at 6:15pm
Very well done to Sri Lanka, I thought they would have been whitewashed in this series bar bad weather.  For the pass 2 years, I think Test Cricket has been very good.  The fact that no one team is miles ahead of the other means its more competitive. 

And Sam, Amla just makes batting look too easy.  A few difficult conditions and he scored some ODI tons while others struggled to time the ball.  He's in sublime touch.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 December 2011 at 9:55am
South Africa have all the ability in the world and are very well balanced. To see them lost to Australia at home in a test and now this is quite perplexing! Consistency is what makes a team great...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 January 2012 at 1:29pm
SA should win this Test now that Philander is back and fit and Morkel is finding form. I am interested to see how Rudolph fares at no. 6. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 January 2012 at 5:37pm
I can bet on it that this will be an Innings win for South Africa. Nothing less should be acceptable.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 January 2012 at 6:33pm
I was extremely impressed by Chandimal. I have always thought this guy should be in the Test side but his two innings in a debut Test in foreign conditions were extremely vital and his glovework was excellent. Whilst SL are still a poor Test side, they can be pleased that they have two very bright youngsters in Mathews and Chandimal who they can build a Test side around going forward (once Dilshan/Sanga/Mahela/Samaraweera retire). Now they only need to find 9 other quality players. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 January 2012 at 5:36pm
Perfect day for South Africa, 347/3 and Alviro Petersen grabbing his opportunity with both hand by scoring a century. Kallis still there and there is AB with him, we could be in for a 600+ score here by the southafricans.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 January 2012 at 7:57am
The pitch does look a belter though. Unless it suddenly deteriorates, the SL batmsen may fare well on it. They have some confidence from Durban.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 January 2012 at 1:24pm
Declaration was too soon imo. The way de Villiers was batting, they should have let him continue and SA could have reached 700 in no time and then you don't need to worry about runs at all. With 580, you're still a little worried about the runs. Or maybe it was the right decision and my judgement is clouded because I wanted to see de Villiers carry on. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 January 2012 at 1:24pm
Big runs from SA, century from Peterson, Double for Kallis and and one and a half century for De Villers.  All done at a blistering rate of over 4 an over.  Sri Lanka not doing to badly at team either.  I wouldn't mind seeing a Dilshan blitz after tea to be honest.  I want see some shots!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 January 2012 at 1:39pm
I can't think of another batsman who is as equally competent in all three formats of the game as AB. He is an outstanding must-have T20 player, his ODI batting average and ODI strike-rate is higher than Tendulkar and he is not far off averaging 50 in Test matches. He has been averaging something like 80 or so in the last couple of years in Tests so it goes to show he is probably the best no.5 Test batsman in the world. I rate him higher than Clarke, Bell, Laxman and Samaraweera. He has that extra gear that only special players have, he can pace an innings wonderfully, he has the complete range of shots and a fantastic temperament. His 60 off 25 balls today was just magnificent and destructive, doubt many others in world cricket can look that good tearing an attack apart. Plus, he is a more than handy keeper and is probably the best fielder in world cricket. What an asset to SA cricket. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 January 2012 at 2:20pm
AB de Villiers is no doubt one of the finest sportsmen to come from South Africa. I work with a very large contingent of South Africans (living in Perth is kind of like a mini Jo'Bug ) and they are always raving about how many sports he played for South Africa at junior level. Whether it's with the gloves, in the field or batting in any format, he always seems to have the right temperament and ability to succeed. He's a very spiritual guy, and seems very balanced and at ease with himself and he knows his limitations. A fine product of South Africa and I think when he becomes test captain everyone in South Africa will sigh a relief that Smith has finally been ousted.
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