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    Posted: 04 January 2012 at 5:47pm
AB is really good, got that extra gear as BP said.  He's been SA's talisman for the last few years, and in all conditions as far as memory goes.  Will be a good test when he goes to England.  When he first started, he was suspect to inswingers, these days, he seem so much better in picking up length, reading swing and everything.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 January 2012 at 6:34pm
I agree with BP, the declaration was way too soon, esp considering the pace at which RSA scored their runs AND also very importantly the fact that the more you bat, the worse the pitch is going to get for the opposition. 700 was easily on, may be in just 25 more overs, or at least 670-680 in another 20 overs (I'm assuming a rate of 5 although in reality they were going at a rate of 8 rpo). and yes, they wouldn't have had to worry about runs at all. Pathetic decision by smith.

as for AB, well guyz, I've said this before, AB and Hashim are legends in the making. AB is as good a cricketer as you'd possibly get. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 January 2012 at 5:30pm
Originally posted by sam_ahmed

I can bet on it that this will be an Innings win for South Africa. Nothing less should be acceptable.

I knew this was coming, SLN lose 12 wickets in a day and now even this test should end tomorrow, what a disaster for a office going guy like me, you see boxing day tests fall on all 5 week days, then in the second test you think either Ind-Aus or SLN-RSA will last the distance and you'll enjoy a thrilling last day, only to see both end on Friday! Unhappy 

Anyways, delighted with this strong performance by South Africa, a much needed series win is not too far, all set for the ODI's!


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 January 2012 at 5:57pm
That was a stunning bowling display from SA. On a flat track against good batsmen who enjoy these kind of conditions, they bowled pretty much perfectly. Philander showed he can do it on flat tracks, Steyn showing why he is head and shoulders above the rest, Morkel slowly finding form and Tahir also proved he is capable of offering control. Should wrap it up tomorrow because this tail doesn't look it can wag much against this standard of bowling. Only downside is Boucher who dropped 2 regulation chances. Time to get Heino Kuhn in, can't believe Boucher has lasted this long.

ODIs should be closer but SA still favourites. SL are going to be so reliant on Malinga and if he has an off series, SA can easily achieve scores close to and above 300 consistently. I wonder if Mendis will play.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 January 2012 at 5:15pm
How many times in Test cricket have a side chased down a target off 0 balls? lol

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 January 2012 at 5:35pm
ha..ha... very interesting stat that BP!!! 

Dominating stuff from South Africa in this test match, right from the word GO, they were all over Sri Lanka, Dale Steyn once again had a terrific series, Philander again impressive and Morne showed signs of returning to full form in the last test, he has well enough I'd say to keep Merchant De Lange out of the side for now. Super performance from South Africa and their next test assignment will be the Kiwis in an away tour, should be a good test for the proteas that although You'd expect them to come up on top.

The ODI's will be a little bit more copetative I'd say, SLN will be boosted by the return of Malinga and Mendis, RSA still favts and I'd expect them to win 4-1.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 January 2012 at 9:34am
It's nice to see a fresh face in Dean Elgar but why hasn't Richard Levi been given an opportunity? His List A record lately has been excellent and he is a very hard-hitting aggressive batsman. It would have been nice to see him feature. I reckon Amla and Smith are the settled openers so it may have been hard to give Levi a chance seeing as he opens. Still, I think he should have been included.

Amla
Smith
Kallis
de Villiers (wk, c)
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Duminy
du Plessis
Botha
Steyn
Morkel
Tsotsobe

That seems a likely eleven and it seems really strong. On paper, much too strong for SL again although SL do have x-factor bowlers and batsmen who can single-handedly win matches. I agree with sam, 4-1 to SA seems likely.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 January 2012 at 2:01pm
Oh my god, SA first series win since 2008, too bad that they did not win a series at home for so long. Amazing!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 January 2012 at 10:39am
Looks like Elgar is injured and Albie Morkel has replaced him. SA look even stronger now tbh. Big Albie Morkel fan, one of the cleanest strikers in world cricket. Play him at 6 or 7 so you have the firepower at the end plus you have another pace bowling option. Tsotsobe, Steyn, Morne Morkel, Kallis, Albie Morkel, Botha, a bit of du Plessis and a bit of Duminy. Plenty of bowling options and talented batting all the way down to Botha at no. 8. Even Steyn at no. 9 is a very good number 9 batsman for ODI cricket. Botha batted no. 3 for Rajasthan Royals and batting down at 8 for SA, just highlighting their strength. Have all bases covered really. Good seamers, good spinners (they have  Tahir too who didn't even make the squad) and good attacking batsmen. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 January 2012 at 1:41pm
I disagree. Picking a guy to just hit is really unfair on him, let Albie actually get his eye in before he's expected to strike the ball. I'd bat him at 5 and bowl him first change. The whole reason he hasn't been playing recently is because he has been misused and had no real role in the side.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 January 2012 at 5:12pm
Depends on game situation obviously but I wouldn't bat Morkel higher than Duminy. If they are around 3 down after 25 overs, I'd much rather have Duminy coming in. Only after 36 or so overs would I have Morkel come in.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 January 2012 at 5:50am
SA's declaration surprised me when looking at their history - such conservative cricketers.  Maybe Gary Kirsten had some input , but whoever made the decision was proved right.  After the Kingsmead debacle it was expected that the home side would come out hard. That Dilshan blundered in deciding to bowl first helped Smith's cause. Batting first at Newlands in January is a given and all I can think is that Dilshan and company didn't fancy Steyn and company on the first morning.  Conditions were perfect and the score at the end of day one surprised no one in the ground. The Lankans were effectively out of the contest by then and it was only a matter of which day would see SA win. 
          Kallis's performance was fantastic , after a pretty shaky start. His record at Newlands is terrific and once he was in a hundred looked odds on. That he converted it into a double was brilliant - the only thing that surprised was him getting out 2 balls before lunch !!  The reception on completing the double was the finest I've experienced in this country - they love him here , he's a fine cricketer and a fine man and I was more than happy for the lad - the finest allrounder this country's produced since Mike Proctor.

          The one day series gets underway in Paarl on Wednesday. Beautiful little ground in the heart of the wine region. Slow pitch and short boundaries should suit the Lankans and it'll be hot as well!  Temperatures have really climbed in the last few days and 30+ is a given for that region. 
          SA have too much firepower and should win the series comfortably - even with Malinga back in the Lankan ranks.  


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 January 2012 at 12:30pm
I must say I am a bit surprised that Tahir didn't get in the squad. I would have included him over Robin Peterson. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 January 2012 at 2:31pm
Originally posted by Sledger

SA have too much firepower and should win the series comfortably - even with Malinga back in the Lankan ranks.


For sometime, that always seem the case before a series when SA is invollved but the only sides they've been thrashing seems to be West Indies only.  Going on past records, I wouldn't be surprised if Sri lanka manage to win 2 games.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 January 2012 at 5:28pm
I think since Botha and Robin Peterson are good batsmen tahir is being kept out at the moment, also they want to use Tahir in tests so may be they don't want to put much burden on him. Tahir is certainly better than both Botha and Peterson as a bowler.

Talking of Jacques Kallis, yes he is a legend, and for all fans like me, he has given the good news that he intends to play on till 2015 and win the WC for RSA. Well I'd love to see Jacques for another 3 years! but the WC ... no, that needs to go to another team that wears green!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 January 2012 at 6:42pm
I would prefer Botha in the ODI format tbh. Tahir has had an excellent start but his loose balls could become a problem long-term in ODIs. Botha is economical and can take wickets too so I'd put Botha ahead of Tahir for the time being. I don't rate Peterson as a bowler at all, would much rather have Tahir as second spinner.

Kallis is surely the second greatest all-rounder of all time after Sobers. There have been many great all-rounders over the years but Kallis and Sobers are the ones who stand out for me. Maybe even on par with Sobers.

I don't think any cricket fan would begrudge RSA a WC win in 2015. They really deserve it. It's sad to see them keep choking. Given their talent, they should have had at least one win by now.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 January 2012 at 7:05pm
Me also think Kallis is next after Sobers for all rounders.  Bats nearly twice as good as most other competitors.  Quite a few maybe better bowlers but his batting smokes them.  His bowling is more than good enough to dismiss great players and is a wonderful catcher.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 January 2012 at 3:00am
Tahir's celebration are so over-dramatic! Even when he bowls a barely decent ball, but still gets the wicket at the batsmans fault.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 January 2012 at 6:41am
Kallis's declaration that he wants to make the 2015 WC stunned quite a few in these parts , including me.  He'll have to be managed well and probably miss some test series against lesser opposition , especially away from home.  He's pretty fit and only bowls a few overs in one dayers nowadays , so maybe it's not an impossible goal.   He's not short of cash and if he's that desparate to make that tournament he might think seriously about chucking his IPL commitments. Easily said , but he's not commented on any such action.
         The match tomorrow sees Kallis as the only survivor of the last ODI played in Paarl in 2002. Funnily enough , Gary Kirsten made a century in that match !   Albie Morkel is on record as saying that both Paarl and East London (another venue returning from an age in the wilderness) will suit the Lankans - slow , low pitches and short boundaries.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 January 2012 at 2:23pm
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Me also think Kallis is next after Sobers for all rounders.  Bats nearly twice as good as most other competitors.  Quite a few maybe better bowlers but his batting smokes them.  His bowling is more than good enough to dismiss great players and is a wonderful catcher.


Kallis is soo sooooooooooooooooooo under-rated he is one of my fav players never saw Sobers so i rate Kallis as the best all-rounder.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 January 2012 at 3:48pm
It's only because Kallis sometimes isn't the most pleasing or attractive player that he isn't considered very highly. Sometimes his role for RSA in the past has been to occupy the crease, bowl tight spells etc. so it hasn't really given him room to look flashy and stylish like a Flintoff or a Tendulkar. In terms of value to a side and in terms of sheer effectiveness, Kallis is the greatest cricketer of the modern era. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 January 2012 at 5:37pm
never knew they haven't played at paarl since such a long time! I do remember the venue name though and I remember India played there before.

I too don't rate Robin Peterson at all BP but to be honest he bowled fairly well in the WC, and looked a slightly better bowler than what he was earlier.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 January 2012 at 7:27pm
Remember were the WC was played Sam, any tweaker would have gotten some assistance in that game against England.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 January 2012 at 5:48am
It's going to be hot in Paarl this afternoon and hard work for the bowlers who bowl in the first innings.  Peterson is a useful one day player who can nip good batmen out , clear the rope and is very agile in the field . Remember the "nonexistent"  quota system as well.......
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 January 2012 at 12:00pm
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It's going to be hot in Paarl this afternoon and hard work for the bowlers who bowl in the first innings.  Peterson is a useful one day player who can nip good batmen out , clear the rope and is very agile in the field . Remember the "nonexistent"  quota system as well.......


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 January 2012 at 5:02pm
Another century for Hashim, as South Africa post 301, good contribution from Kallis and AB as well, SLN in reply have lost 2 wickets in 2 overs!!! Morne and Tsotsobe doing the early damage. 

Talking of Peterson I'm surprised that he is in the line up ahead of Botha today! 

Tough ask for SLN, something which is expected right throughout this series.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 January 2012 at 5:19pm
SLN 9/5!!!!!  Dead
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 January 2012 at 7:11pm
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 January 2012 at 6:18am
Bring back Bangladesh !   The only consolation for the spectators who shelled out their hard earned money to watch this farce was that at least the South Africans batted first !   At one stage I thought they wouldn't get 20 - I can see why the Lankan board isn't paying them !
              Two points to take from the debacle - Smith's still getting out to innocuous deliveries and secondly , because the home side won in a canter they'll be full of themselves and will get belted in the 2nd match !
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 January 2012 at 10:06am
Sri Lanka are thee new Pakistan - they have it in them to go down like the West Indies it appears.
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