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    Posted: 12 November 2011 at 1:13pm
I'd play Tharanga in tests. People keep going on about technique, that's fair, but too be honest test batting is so similar to ODI batting these days (except a team like Pakistan who at the moment bat rather defensively). He hasn't played in 4 years, but he makes a lot of runs in ODI cricket and can obviously withstand the pressure at the highest level. In saying that, you don't want a guy who's a liability in your top order. Paranvitana is just the wrong guy to open though.
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Well I care less about SLN as long as this series is in progress and I would love to see them keep losing... However, if I have to think about SLN then the first thing I'd say is that there is too much of inconsistency in their selection which is clearly hurting them.

I mean this is a team that goes to a WC final and then, would you believe it, THEN get a spinner who wasn't even in their squad to play the final, make as many as 4 changes to their team, drop a spinner who was bowling brilliantly on the assumption that he may not do well against India and even considered bringing in a pace bowler who has almost retired by now!!! These folks are signs of a team which is confused, they themselves do not know what their best side is.

Now looking at the present squad... 

1) Where is Thissera Perera? I thought he was doing really well in the ODI format, why was he dropped in the first place? he is in the squad now only because someone is injured.
2) Why is Ajantha Mendis not playing? He took 6 wickets in 4 overs against AUS recently!!!
3) Why Chandimal was dropped despite making a century in England and now why is he in again?
4) What happened to Jeevan Mendis all of a sudden? he was doing OK...
5) Where is Thilana Thushara, he was pretty much fine, Why Maharoof was tried out in tests against ENG when he is a much better ODI player? 

I mean this is a totally confused team and that is one of the reasons I was very confident that PAK will be able to beat them in both Tests and ODI's.
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Sam i agree with each point you made. I think Mendis is a much much better bowler than people currently playing i know many will say Pakistan play him well so what dont they play other bowlers well too? and I dont know why Mathews is trying to play as a batsman?? when he came in the team as a allrounder and for Pakistan even after the win i think this team can get alot better. if they drop Farhat and play Shafiq or Malik the team looks so much better and i was very very impressed with Sarfraz his keeping was so neat and clean.
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Mikey - yeah, if Paranavitana is the best Test opener in SL then there are serious problems there. Thirimanne is younger and is better suited to the side but both of them aren't particularly good. Having said that, I still don't think they should have Tharanga. Yes, ODI batting and Test batting aren't as distinct as they once were but there are still key differences. If batting for a draw, and I sense SL will be in this position often going forward, you need someone who can staunchly defend and block, which I don't think Tharanga has in his game. Also, there is far more room to attack in Tests with more slips/gully etc. so his tendency to flash outside off-stump will get him in more trouble in the 5-day format. In ODI cricket, the emphasis is more on defensive fields and run-protection on the part of the fielding side so he won't get into as much trouble.

Hmm, interesting thoughts sam and mystery. I don't really agree with all of it though.

1) Agreed, Perera should be in the ODI team. He bats aggessively in the lower-order and is a canny bowler.

2) Mendis should not be playing. mystery - yes, the Pakistanis play all bowling well but with Mendis, his main weapon is deception by mystifying batsman. Once you read all his variations well, he is nothing more than a hittable medium pacer. At least, with other bowlers, they still bring other things to the table like swing, seam, big turn which can cause the batsmen headaches. With Mendis, once the mystery is gone, he doesn't serve a purpose anymore.

3) They dropped Chandimal because he had a string of low scores against AUS in the ODI series. I think they must have had a change of heart and after his good performances in the Champs league, they probably decided to get him into the side. I think he should be in the ODI side though, he is one of the better youngsters they have.

4) How was he doing all right? He picked up a few wickets and got Pietersen out a couple of times over in England so his leg-spin was coming along OK for a part-timer. However, his main role in the side was to be a batsman. He was not scoring any runs, just consistent failures in the middle-order which kept hampering SL. He was rightly dropped.

5) Agree here. Maharoof is more suited to the ODIs and I don't really know why they dropped Thushara from the squad.

Finally, mystery - Mathews is good enough to play as a pure batsman. He is quality. I think that he should be contributing with the ball as well but maybe they don't want to risk an injury to their brightest prospect. I expect he will be bowling more as time continues.
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Mendis is still injured according to Duleep Mendis. I think in ODI's he'll continue to perform well, but in tests he has already been found out and I don't know how he can recover from that to be honest.

Sri Lanka's game is perfect for ODI cricket, slick pace attack, plenty of spinners who can do a job in 10 overs, a good fielding unit and enough batsmen to keep them competitive. I wouldn't panic after one ODI game. The test side though is very limited in the bowling stakes.
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Mystery - I absolutely agree on Sarfaraz, many times on this forum I've said that keeping wise Sarfaraz is the best Pakistan have, much better than Kamran or Haider or even Adnan, the only problem is he isn't as good a batsmen as Kamran but I dearly hope he comes good with the bat too. I also agree that malik for Farhat is a sensible option, but with farhat doing well they won't change as of now, the thing is Farhat will do well in these places against these teams but will be brutally exposed against better teams on bowling friendly tracks, PAK should think about that.

BP - Regarding Chandimal, I know he had some porr scores but that is not the point, what I meant was that SLN should identify the right talent, if they genuinely think that Chandimal is one for the future then he should be given a run, similarly with Jeevan Mendis. Thier selection is all messed up.

Point on Angelo Matthews BTW, he is somewhat injured and hence is not bowling. I'm sure he will bowl once he is fully fit.
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I'm very happy even after the lost the reason for that is finally all the decisions are very sensible sending Razzaq up Misbah coming in ahead of Umar when needed really after a long long time Pakistan thinking unit is doing well they are on right track win or lose is part of the game but just one more change needed drop Farhat and I agree with you BP about Mendis but as Milky said in Odi he still is a very good bowle and Sam to me Sarfaraz looks a better batsman than Adnan or Haider.
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A fair result in the end - the better team on the day won. Pakistan made too many mistakes early in the chase. Umar's knock was brilliant, pity he could not finish it off. Razzaq'a run out was crucial and that possibly cost the game. I did not want Pakistan to win this one after having bowled all those wides - they need to learn from it as it cost them the game 
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Best thing for Pakistan is to lose a match, they don't want to get too far ahead of themselves. It just brings them down to earth a bit, but they made some good moves, tactically in this game and with the order of their batting line up. Mohsin looks to be a fine coach and may be a possibility for a more permanent role. Certainly Misbah seems to be a bit of a uniting force too - doing a good enough job, which is all Pakistan really need. A united Pakistan is a competitive Pakistan.
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The run outs and that first over cost pakistan the match, more so the run outs. I mean losing wickets to Malinga against the new ball can happen but boss Razzaq and Afridi getting themselves run out at crucial moments in the game is simply not on. Those two run outs cost Pakistan dearly.

Umer showed his class really, some of his shots were a treat to watch, I'm happy with the team but a couple of changes I'd like to see, Farhat, I'm just not comfortable with him at the top, he is not reliable he not a century maker, and he is not consistent. I'd prefer to see Malik in the team, be it as an opener. Other change Cheema, well he gives his 100% but he expensive and Junaid is a much much better bowler, Junaid needs to play.

Also, Pakistan cannot afford to lose Wahab Riaz to Spot Fixing involvement now, if the ICC or anyone has any problem then suspend him after providing sufficient proof or else just shut up. Right now he is available for selection and there is no reason why he shouldn't be selected.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote BackwardPoint Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 November 2011 at 8:23am
The partnership between Hafeez and Farhat and SL's poor batting really won PAK the game. It was a really poor chase by SL and having worked themselves into a strong position, they should have seen it home with Dilshan and Sanga going well. 
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It was also good bowling in the latter half of the innings as the seamers and spinners combined to dry the scoring rate which brought wickets. Ajmal is such a wonderful bowler - that delivery on which he got Mahela out was an absolute gem.
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BP it was not only poor batting but also very bad fielding they dropped so many catches which i think was the difference in the end.
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Hafeez has been a revelation with the bat, and even on occasion with the ball. He has been an inspired selection, scoring regularly and also quickly at the top of the order. He looks a much better player than he was when I first saw him here in Australia in 2004. At the moment he's probably the best batsman for Pakistan, marginally ahead of Misbah for me. In saying that though, the Pakistani batsmen have done better than I have seen them do in a long time. Pakistan had a lot of good batsmen in the 90s, Saleem Malik, Inzamam, Ijaz, Saeed Anwar, Javed Miandad (for a couple of years), Yousuf and so forth. So it has certainly been hard to replicate that talent.
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That delivery by Umar Gul to get rid of Tharanga was an absolute gem! one of the best deliveries you'll ever get to see, Saeed Ajmal, as Zuhair has said is sheer class, what a player for Pakistan to have, he for me is the best spinner in the world at the moment, I would love to see him against India in a test match, if only they play!

Absolutely delighted by the 2-1 lead, Hopefully Tanvir will give way to Junaid for today's game, Inshallah Pakistan will win the series today, and then I can relax a bit for the last ODI.
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If only Saeed Ajmal didn't flex his arm so much I'd rate him higher...
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We are in for a good game again although SLN at the moment have the edge, 70/3 chasing 201. This is the BIG partnership between mahela and Sanga a wicket here and PAK would sniff a series win...!!! Come on Pakistan, finish it today!!!
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oh yes!!! A sharjah special for all of us!!! Shaid Afridi welcome back mate, I love you so much!!! Yipeeeeeeeee... Series win for Pakistan, their 5th consecutive bilateral series win in ODI's Mashallah... I'm absolutely delighted, special effort by Saeed Ajmal once again, Afridi was brilliant with both bat and ball, good stuff also from Hafeez, a wonderful wonderful win, delighted really, I'll relax a bit now for the last ODI but that doesn't mean PAK can lose that, they should try to win,. although the main motive of the series is accomplished. Thumbs Up 
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Excellent Stuff from Pakistan, Some one aside from Sanga and Jayawardene needed to perform, all the other batsmen failed, Afridi was awesome.

Malik fails again, his comeback has been horrible, I hope they give him another change nextgame, and he can score a few or take a few wickets.
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Originally posted by abubakar52

Excellent Stuff from Pakistan, Some one aside from Sanga and Jayawardene needed to perform, all the other batsmen failed, Afridi was awesome.

Malik fails again, his comeback has been horrible, I hope they give him another change nextgame, and he can score a few or take a few wickets.


Congrats to Pakistani team for winning 5th series in a row as Sam said and Malik should play in place of Farhat and should open as he is much much better than him plus he is very handy with the ball.


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Afridi has done what I like to call an Afridi with the bat . He has made runs after 20 innings of failing to do so. It's that once every 15-20 innings match winning performance. Luckily he regularly gets wickets!
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Congratulations my teamClap and yup  great performance by Afridi both with ball and bat(once in a blue moonWink). How can you not love this man after this performance. Haha yeah Mikey but I think it was a different knock from him. He played some sensible shots and didn't try to go after every ball. I really loved Yesterday's match. 
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New Zealand
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... Bangladesh ... YOU'RE NEXT!!! Big smile
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They'll easily dispose of Bangladesh sam, and then the streak ends when they meet England. I fancy PAK to beat ENG in the ODIs but Tests PAK have no chance unless the pitches turn square. 
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Originally posted by Mikey

Afridi has done what I like to call an Afridi with the bat . He has made runs after 20 innings of failing to do so. It's that once every 15-20 innings match winning performance. Luckily he regularly gets wickets!


Even in the 2nd Odi he was looking very good b4 getting run out.
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we'll see how they do against ENG BP, I was talking about the ODI's anyways, so we'll see how they go.

One thing I forgot to say, It has been a refreshing change and an absolute delight to see Sarfaraz Ahmed behind the wickets, sick and tired of watching Kamran lose games after games for Pakistan because of his poor glove work, Sarfaraz on the other hand has been mighty impressive. He may not be as good with the bat as Kamran but I'm very happy to see him in the team, hope he improves his batting with time.
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So 4-1 to Pakistan with Misbah making 66 in another winning cause.  I have to say that his selection as skipper was inspired , he's really got the side functioning with energy and a smile on their faces.  Maybe the Pakistani selectors have finally struck gold after so many terrible selectorial blunders over so many years.
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I quite like Misbah. He stays clam and goes abut his business without fuss. The seniors around him appear comfortable, which is why the team looks well gelled.  It might sound bullish, but for my money, Pakistan's ODI bowling attack is the finest in the world at the moment. In Ajmal, Hafeez and Afridi, they have three bowlers in the top ten rankings - well complimented by the seamers. Bring on Engalnd I say.
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January will be well worth watching mate.  From my perspective though I'll be watching the first three matches a lot , lot closer than the ones that follow !   
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Post Options Post Options   Quote sam_ahmed Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 November 2011 at 5:28pm
Pakistan's bowling for me is second only to South Africa, I'm talking about the ODI's here, the thing is that on faster surfaces Pakistani's spin bowlers like Afridi and Hafeez may not be as effective but on slower surfaces they'll be more than handful.

Pakistan need one more good batsmen I'd say, Malik hasn't looked good at all and I think Razzaq should be allowed to express himself and be at his aggressive best, it's only then that he will come good. Pakistan are still far far away from reaching their peak I believe, this team has much greater potential than what they are delivering at the moment, which delights me even more because currently even though they are well beloe their peak performance they are still winning.

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