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    Posted: 19 November 2009 at 8:26am
I agree. Hard to get this Indian line up out twice in the match especially on this track. All of India's top 7 will find a place in ANY test nation's batting line. India should not lose this one. It will probably tun more - but the slowness has made things considerably easier even when the ball has kept low. A boring draw and an average boosting test for the batters. Must say - such a disappointing crowd this.
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I don't trust that Indian line up zuhair. They have faltered on many occasions and have crumbled and fallen apart when everybody least expects them to. Sehwag, Dravid, Gambhir and Tendulkar will be the people whom one can rely on and with two of them already out I won't be surprised if SRL do pull out a win.

The bowling and the fielding really looked lackluster and I really hope something magical happens in the next test or else Sri Lanka will run away with the series. I do hope the next track has something in it for both batsmen and bowlers. I am tired of seeing these high-scoring batsmen dominated wickets!
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Harbhajan wants a ton. Since he can't bowl, may as well bat him at 6. Even he could make 275 on this wicket. What a joke!? It's like the BCCI wants tests to be finished with ---- maybe they do?
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India would do well on bouncy tracks, the likes of Sehwag, Dravid, Tendulkar, Laxman all have fantastic overseas record, better than the lankans.  Khan is bowling well and Sharma will cause problems with the bounce and not to mention Harbhajan enjoys the ball bouncing too!!
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Originally posted by zuhair_abbasi

All of India's top 7 will find a place in ANY test nation's batting line.


Yuvraj Singh... finding a place in ANY test team!!! please stop joking Zuhair!

Although Sehwag is also good, I'll rather not have him in my test team... except for Sachin and Dravid none of them can claim that they can replace the likes of Ponting, Clarke, Smith, Chanders, Yousuf, KP, and the list goes on... and unless they are good enough to replace, they can never make it to ANY test team.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote spin wizard Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 November 2009 at 6:27pm
Sorry Sam, but i'll gladly take Sehwag in my Test xi over any opener at present today.  Great blazing starts and not to mention, he can play spin really well, which isn't something you'll really find in an opener.  Gambhir bats spin excellently too, only Smith and Strauss can really challenge them two at the moment but I'll take Sehwag over them all!
 
Laxman and Yuvraj mightn't make it into some teams xi but Gambhir, Sehwag, Tendi, Dravid and Dhoni will!
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Gambhir is a good player but most of the time in test matches he has done well on flat and unresponsive tracks in India, recently we have seen that a little bit of movement and Gambhir's off stump is flying back till the wicket keeper... Sehawag is a hit and miss kind of player and again he has also scored those triple centuries and those big scores on very flat wickets... I'd even prefer someone like Phil Jacques or Alaistair Cook over him for test matches... for ODI's Yes, I'll have Sehwag in my team for sure.
 
Dhoni is good, I agree he can walk into any test team... he is perhaps the second best WKB at the moment after Sangakkara... Laxman is a very very fine player but then again some of those middle order players in other countries are also so good that VVS won't make it.
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Jaques is wasted in domestic cricket. He's actually got a British passport as his parents were born in England... he qualifies for England , but won't play there. So he's being wasted here. I'd prefer Jaques and Hughes opening and Katich in the middle order. With Ponting, Clarke and Haddin. For mine that's the best combination, and it means North and Watson are back in domestic cricket.
This match is a joke. Really looks like BCCi want to kill test cricket. Mahela makes runs only on these wickets, it's not just Gambhirl.
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Originally posted by sam_ahmed


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All of India's top 7 will find a place in ANY test nation's batting line.
Yuvraj Singh... finding a place in ANY test team!!! please stop joking Zuhair!Although Sehwag is also good, I'll rather not have him in my test team... except for Sachin and Dravid none of them can claim that they can replace the likes of Ponting, Clarke, Smith, Chanders, Yousuf, KP, and the list goes on... and unless they are good enough to replace, they can never make it to ANY test team.
you took it wrong mate. What I meant is that all of them will play for any test team if they were not playing for India. Would Australia not play Yuraj or Sehwag in their current set up? I guess they would.

Ont he match - it was really boring and an average booster for the batters. Must say that the bowling was not of that good standard either. Gone are those days when bowlers used to toil hard even on such flat tracks. Gimme the 90's test cricket any day.
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Wasim and Waqar would have bowled SL out for 200 mate.
Quality of bowling is very poor these days and I'm afraid someone like Mahela wouldn't have averaged 35 in the 90s.
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All of India's top 7 will find a place in ANY test nation's batting line.
Yuvraj Singh... finding a place in ANY test team!!! please stop joking Zuhair!Although Sehwag is also good, I'll rather not have him in my test team... except for Sachin and Dravid none of them can claim that they can replace the likes of Ponting, Clarke, Smith, Chanders, Yousuf, KP, and the list goes on... and unless they are good enough to replace, they can never make it to ANY test team.
you took it wrong mate. What I meant is that all of them will play for any test team if they were not playing for India. Would Australia not play Yuraj or Sehwag in their current set up? I guess they would.
 
Nice joke Sehwag is ok but Yuvraj? are you serious?
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Sam, Sehwag is not just a swinger, the guy actually connects and he has scored tons on wicket with assistance to bowlers.  He's done well in Australia, pitches that usually favour fast bowlers one day one in the first hour that usually see him fly to fast runs!  Sehwag is a very good player, not because he's aggressive meant it must be taken away from him.
 
I know I'd rather bowl to Cook anyday!!
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Sehwag can be mesmerizing on his day. He can absolutely destroy a bowling attack on his day and can really flatten a teams confidence. The problem arises when his carefree attitude changes into a careless attitude. There's a very fine line between those two and that's exactly why Sehwag was dropped a couple of years back.

Good effort by the Indians to save the game although it was unnecessary to keep on playing until Sachin got yet another ton. The Lankans will have a lot of positives to look at but one must remember it was a dead pitch. Murali's form will also be a big worry for the Lankans. He really looked out of sorts.

India will really need to do something out of the ordinary if they want to win a test match. The batting looks alright but they really need to look at their bowling! Zak looked stiff and down on pace while Ishant was really wayward. Mishra got a taste of bowling against good players on a flat track while Bhajji really needs a shake up. That is not the performance once expects from the senior most bowler. I'd give Ishant a rest and bring the tempermental Sreesanth in!
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Will Murali make way for Mendis?
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Unneccessary to keep playing on Dips?  Surely you can't be as bad as Sangakkara?  I'd be massively disappointed if I was heading for a ton and my skipper called it off.  
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I get your point Spinny but still, he is more of a miss on responsive wickets than a hit ... I'm talking about Test matches. In ODI's I'll have him in my team any day.

Milky you are belittling Mahela. He isn't that bad, I actually rate him ahead of Sanga... I think he is a very fine player.

One good point made here is that of the bowling attacks... agreed this was a pathetic pitch but I've seen people like Wasim, McGrath, Gillespie and a few others bowl brilliant spells even on such unresponsive wickets... Wasim during that 1999 tour of India was unbelievably good.

Good point made by Dips too, IND's bowling needs to come good.... at the moment it certainly looks impotent.
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Will Murali make way for Mendis?


No way, they'll never drop Murali. I think they'll play Mendis ahead of Herath in the next game though.

IND will seriously consider playing Sreesanth ahead of Ishant. I cannot believe how quickly Ishant's bowling has gone this bad.


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It's like with Johnson. Sudden loss of form. Difference is that Johnson still manages to take wickets, and only God knows how he manages that. Sharma has just gone down hill.
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Ishant was over-rated from day one and they did not manage him well. He has played shed load of cricket. Every ODI, all that T20 circuses and of course the test matches. This has taken the toll on him.
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Its not him only most of the Indian pace bowlers do well in the start than struggle after few years.

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Long list that. Nehra, Irfan, Munaf and Sreesanth. Only Zaheer has maintained his reputation to a fair extent.
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it's having to bowl on those crap wickets, it kills them and they end up medium pace trundlers
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I think Yuvraj's time has come in tests just like Gambhir.Now that his place is assured and his role is fixed, sam you will see Yuvraj excel in tests too.It not that he is a bad player of spin, someday he is bad player of spin thats it.

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Clobber is right and I believe that's why the fast bowling stock isn't good in the Windies nowadays as before.  It's why India can produce such good batsman on the eyes because they grow up on batting decks.  All Aussie batsmen can play the cross bat shot because they grow up on wicket that bounces and that means they're never short of fast bowlers who can be hostile!
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I still have serious doubts about Yuvi's abilities in test matches Raj. He has scored a 60 odd on a batting beauty which won't convince me... he'll have to prove himself under difficult situations.

I do agree with what Spin is saying but if you look at Pakistan, they have even flatter tracks, still they have been able to produce brilliant fast bowlers over the years. even at this stage the likes of Gul, Aamer, Asif etc, are top class pace bowlers.
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In few years India will struggle not only to produce good fast bowlers but will also struggle to produce good batsman becuz of IPL the thing India love. Their young players wont waste time on test matches most of them want to play in IPL and T20 only.

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IPL and these T20 leagues will do India no good that is for sure. Apart from players losing their quality, there is also a problem that foreign players are finding it very easy to acclimatise themselves in India because all of them are playing in the IPL and CLT20.

My point is that such a young Aussie team would never have found it so easy in India, the youngsters would have struggled to play in these conditions and wickets, but since most new players like Marsh, Henriques, Watson, White etc... had played in the IPL and CLT20 they found it very easy to get their feet in and the end result was a crushing defeat for India at home.
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Sam, the Pakistani bowlers seem to have the knock of learning the art of moving the ball, which is why they're successful as bowlers on docile decks.  Wasim, Waqar, Imran, Asif (could be a really great bowler, shame he's already messed up his career somehwat), Gul, Ahktar - them fellas could all move an old ball around and some off the seam and through the air.  With those skills, pace doesn't really matter, of the pitch really, as is often showed by Asif and a McGrath in the latter stages of his life when he was no longer around the 140 KPH mark.

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That is here my point is Spinny. Indian pacers suffer more because of the flat tracks because they are not as capable as Paki pacers.
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Indians are not very strong. Look at the diet and exercise routines of the Indians and it's not ideal. Pakistanis are Muslim and eat more meat, while a lot of Indians are vegetarians for cultural and religious purposes which means they don't get enough protein in their diet. Strength is important for any fast bowler. Sharma and Javagal are really the only 2 Indian quicks who could hit 145kph.
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