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    Posted: 15 May 2007 at 1:36pm
Originally posted by Shane Warnabee

How much jogging should i do to get big abs?
 
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LOL who is he?
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Originally posted by Shane Warnabee

How much jogging should i do to get big abs?
Depends on how much Abigail finds running an attractive personality trait.  I'd suggest you stop calling her big abs though or she'll think you are only interested in her bouncers.
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well sorry i don't mean what u are talking about though.
i'm guessing this gump is some athlete
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They will do a bit for abs, i'm sure Rambo will be able to give a better answer then me but to get your abs in shape i'd suggest situps and bicycle crunch things, there is information on the internet about it.
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Yeah, for your abs sit ups/crunches, hanging leg raises etc. Your basic sit-up is pretty good, but you probably want to add some resistance by holding a weight plate or dumbell to your chest as you do them.
 
Also, what a lot of people don't realise is that actually deadlifts and squats also recruit a lot of muscles in your abs ad core as well (which is why if you're going to do those excercises as well as crunches/obliques in the same session, do the squats or deadlifts FIRST).
 
But to get a "six pack" you need to get your bodyfat down below 15%, or even lower, or even the largest, tightest abdominals wil not be seen (powerlifters need very strong midsections but you won't see a six pack because they'll have a big layer of fat on top).
 
In that respect, jogging (cardio work) will help to lose fat but really you'll need to get your diet right. If you eat lots of fast digesting carbs and saturated fat you won't get rippling abs no matter how many crunches you do or how much you jog.
 
 
How have you been coming on? Have you been following any of the excercise program I outlined above? If you were getting enough protein and rest you should have added some lean muscle mass by now.
 
I gave a list of a few basic excercises and a rough guide to the number and sets you should be aiming for (after warming up with a lighter weight, I should add).
 
Keep all your excercises in the 6-10 rep range, and you'll want to be doing 2-3 sets of each to start with. 10 is a good figure as it will build both size and strength but isn't so heavy you have to cheat or will injure yourself. That is, you want to be using a weight that will allow you to *just* complete 1 repetitions in one go, with good form. When that weight gets easy, add some more, and so on.
 
Squats
Bench Press
Overhead Dumbell Press
Wide-grip bent over rows or pull ups
Skullcrushers (Lying barbell tricep extensions) http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/Triceps/BBLyingTriExtSC.html
Barbell Curls (this and the above excercise can be done witj, and are more comfortable to do with an EZbar)
And then you can add some weighted crunches (you'll want to do a few more reps for abs, in all likelihood - maybe 25 per set) and finish with some cardio, if you like.
 
Don't do cardio before, because you'll have less energy for the resistance training, and produce less growth hormone and testosterone in response to the weight training, meaning you'll build less muscle and ultimately burn less fat. Remember to get a meal with at least 30g protein within an hour after the workout, and taking in some carbs (a bottle of lucosade sport, which will rehydrate you as well) will help get that protein into the muscles to help them repair and grow. A hot shower (or even an ice bath) will also help the muscles recover.
 
If you've been doing that for the last couple of months then you might want to consider changing your routine, splitting it up, and training different bodyparts on different days, so you can do more sets and excercises for each muscle group to work them harder now they are getting bigger and stronger - assuming you've been training.
 
The split you choose will depend on how much time you have (ie, how many days you can train) how much recovery time you need (and not all muscles need the same amount of rest) and how much you feel fatigue in a workout. Some people find their energy levels drop off sharply after about 45 minutes in the gym, other will do twice that. I reckon 45 minutes to an hour is about right, myself.
 
Generally though, you'll want to train chest and shoulders before arms and/or back, and if you have time, on seperate days, with rest between. Legs should be trained first, abs last. And since your grip will give out before your traps, I wouldn't train traps on back day - probably with shoulders, but I actually do them on leg day now (I changed my split because of the longer hours of my new job).
 
1g of protein per lb bodyweight per day, try to eat carbs like wholemeal bread, some fruit, steamed veg, baked beans are OK, sweet potatoes, oatmeal, etc. Avoid white bread, bagels, potatoes and sugary stuff except right after a workout. You want to have a balanced mix with every meal, protein, carbs (and a little fat) but it's carbohydrates that will make the most difference to bodyfat with most people.
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well i do eat a lot of protein and carbs so will jogging help me now? I will be going to the gym after a month, when my
exams get over. Howw do u do sit ups?
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As far as my knowledge goes, sit ups and crunches are two different things. I do both and I find crunches are better!

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Originally posted by Rambo_123UK

Yeah, for your abs sit ups/crunches, hanging leg raises etc. Your basic sit-up is pretty good, but you probably want to add some resistance by holding a weight plate or dumbell to your chest as you do them.


Sit ups and crunches are good, but not so much for cricket. After all, when on the pitch do you lie on the floor and repeatedly get up and down?

I would go so far as to say they could be counter productive in a team sport setting.

A more functional approach would be to use twisting movements or even overhead/side throwing with a 2-3kg medicine ball to more accurately reflect what your core muscles (and the core is WAY more than just abs) do on the cricket pitch.

We all want killer abs, but I would prefer to have a killer core that allows me to explode into powerful shots than just look good at the beach. There is a difference IMO.
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Medicine ball, yeah. Or even a kettle-bell workout. There's also woodchoppers, done with a dumbell or better with cables. Or oblique cable crunches, maybe. But he didn't ask about a strong core, he asked about "big abs". Through jogging...Wacko
 
Just to clear up some confusion, crunches and situps I listed together because they mostly get the upper and middle abs. Crunches don't recruit nearly as much muscle fibre into he motion, whereas traditional sit ups involve the hip flexors and lower back as well. I listed leg raises seperately because these hit the lower bas which aren't recruited much by sit ups or crunches, so you want to do a leg raise to target them specifically. Hanging or lying, or even knee raises - but they are hitting the lower abs rather than the upper or middle abs.
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Originally posted by Rambo_123UK

Medicine ball, yeah. Or even a kettle-bell workout. There's also woodchoppers, done with a dumbell or better with cables. Or oblique cable crunches, maybe. But he didn't ask about a strong core, he asked about "big abs". Through jogging...Wacko


Fair point. All great stuff. I also sometimes get players to use a sandbag too.


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for the time being as i wont be going to the gym for another 2 months i need tips on some normal but strenthening excercises which would help give me muscles.
I don't care for which body part all i want is some way
to gain muscle. The reason why i considered jogging was
because it was an easy way to get muscle(or so i was told) and it didn't require the gym. Do u guys have any normal excercise i.e not gym related which i can do at home etc. I know the push up for starters but i am unable to keep my body rigid during the excercise. Why is this?
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Well I don't know who told you that jogging would help you build muscle, but either they're an idiot or they were taking the mickey. It is primarily an aerobic excercise, ie, cardio. It burns a lot of calories, ideal for losing weight - but if you jog too much you'll burn muscle, not build it. It might help strengthen the bones of the legs, and perhaps some of the leg muscles, but it puts a lot of strain on the knee joints, among other things, when you jog on hard surfaces such as roads.
 
If you can't manage to keep your body rigid when trying to perform pushups then you must really lack core and upper body strength - or you're doing them wrong. What is your height and weight, by the way?
 
 
Without equipment, you can do push ups, sit ups, chair dips for triceps. There's also things like the phantom chair excercise, for thighs, and a shadow-boxing routine will work shoulders and some lats (back) and biceps. There's one-legged romanian deadlifts, burpees, squat thrusts... there's plenty of bodyweight excercises you can do. The army has been thinking them up for decades. 
 
I would suggest (I think I did) you buy yourself a chinning bar, as I suggested (you can get them for about £7, which isn't going to break the bank, andith a chinning bar you can excercise the whole upper body) and doing wide grip overhand chins and narrow, underhand grip pull ups, for back and biceps.
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Great! How much push ups should i focus on doing for starters? By the way i'm 42.5 kg and about 5ft 6 or 5ft 7
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Great! How much push ups should i focus on doing for starters? By the way i'm 42.5 kg and about 5ft 6 or 5ft 7
well i read about jogging in this topic itself in the 1st page
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That's skinny. That's like ... 94lb. Which is like ... 6 stone 10. Unless my maths is wrong. You must be all skin and bones!
 
As many as you can manage. You want to work the muscles so that they have to grow stronger. To do that you want to take them to failure, or close to it. Do as many as you can every other day, increasing the number as you get stronger. But if you can't do 10 pushups you really do need to put some muscle on.
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how do u do sit ups and shadow boxing routine?
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How do you do sit ups? If you are training with a mate, one holds the other's ankles while they do sit ups, then they swap over. If you're on your own, hook your feet under some fixed object and perform them. If you can't find anything to wedge your feet under, do crunches. When you get to the point where your legs are just about to come off the ground, try to squeeze the muscles for a moment before lowering yourself back to the start position. When you shadow box, keep your hands up, move your feeet, mix up your punches, don't forget to duck and weave and try to keep going for at least 60 seconds at a time. You'll be surprised how hard it is and how much your shoulders will start to ache very quickly. It's a good way to warm up before excercise, too.
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so your saying when doing the shadow box all i have to do is move and do imaginary punches? I didn't quite understand what u said about the sit ups though, what happens when i put my foot under something heavy? What do i do after that then? And could u please explain the crunches in detail again. How effective are shadow boxes?? Do they help put on good muscle?

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Originally posted by Shane Warnabee

I didn't quite understand what u said about the sit ups though, what happens when i put my foot under something heavy? What do i do after that then? And could u please explain the crunches in detail again. How effective are shadow boxes?? Do they help put on good muscle?


First, crunches are not something to get too obessed with. They only exercise one muscle after all:

http://exercise.about.com/od/abs/ss/abexercises.htm

Shadow boxing will not help you put on muscle. Progressive overload will:

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I keep telling him to take up weights, but he was wanting bodyweight excercises for the time being. He has said he is intending to go to the gym as soon as he can (2 months). In other words, he needs some excercises as a stop-gap until this time, that will help.

Push ups will strengthen the front delts but the shoulders will be exhausted by having to hold up the arms and repeatedly punch when he shadow boxes. Also, the twisting motions in throwing hooks will help strengthen his core, and the biceps will get a bit of work, too.
 
He has very little muscle mass, judging by his size (5'7"), weight (42.5kg) and confession that he cannot compete even a couple of push-ups with good form (meaning the muscles in his core are not strong enough to hold his body rigid during the move, and that his overall strength is very low) so for the time being, resistance can be effectively offered by his own bodyweight (even the weight of his arms on his shoulders) and the difficulty can be increased by increasing the number of repetitions of sit ups and push-ups etc, and by increasing the duration of his boxing sessions.
 
When he starts using weights, then the shadow boxing becomes nothing more than a bit of a warm up.


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For crunches, lie on your back. Raise the legs so the bottom of your foot is flat on the grounds and the thigh nearly perpendicular to your stomach. Put your palm to the ears and then keep your eyes fixed straight ahead to the ceiling and move up like you do for the sit up. I heard sit ups which is nearly the same like crunches but with your legs flat out on the floor is bad for you. It does a bit of damage to something close to the hip.
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thanks for your help spin wiz! Rambo are u sure that
weights will really help me bulk up?
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Your body will not expend energy and nutrients on building more muscle unless ith thinks that muscle is required. Resistance training provides the necessary stimulus and stress on the muscles for the body to make them larger and stronger.
 
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will training with anything heavy help as a substitute
for weightts? For example if i fill my school bag with a lot of books and practice lifting it?
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Originally posted by Shane Warnabee

Howw do u do sit ups?


  Tough one this , but I've finally mastered it..............

   ...........lie flat and then sit up.

         I do it at least once a day (usually 1st thing in the morning) and feel terrific!!!


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if i fill my school bag with a lot of books and practice lifting it?


  Nice start , but for strong wrists and wonderful hand/eye coordination it's a great idea to open the books and have a read !
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