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    Posted: 26 October 2005 at 4:30pm
Is it possible to not concede any runs, but at the same time not bowl any maidens?
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Yes, by not bowling any overs.  Couldn't resist that one, sorry!
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yeah, not the answer I was looking for. Perhaps my phrasing of the question is a little ambigious!
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It depends on your definition of "Runs".  You can bowl wides and no-balls but not concede any runs off the bat.
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yep, but wides are attributed against the bowler.

Can a bowler have figures like 10 overs 0 maidens 0 runs 2 wickets?
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I look forward to finding out!

I'm going home.

 
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 Maiden - An over where no runs that are attributable to the bowler are scored (byes or leg-byes may be scored in this over, though, as these don't count against the bowler)

 Maiden over : an over in which no runs are scored, and no wides or no balls are bowled.

It is therefore impossible to not concede any runs, and at the same time not bowl any maidens.

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Good going Kruppel. Byes and Leg Byes may be conceded in an over, but it is only no-balls, runs off the bat, or wides which go against the bowler.

It is perceivably possible that after 10 overs, there could have been ten maidens, but the score could be on 50, all from byes or leg-byes.
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Your turn to post a question
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i remembering watching the super series, and during one of the one day games,i am not sure who the player was, a run out occured. The question was weather the bails had to lift clear from the wickets.

What is the rule?When does a run out occur?when the bail completely lifts from the wickets,or when the bails fall on the ground?Or is it when the bail is lifted marginally?
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Originally posted by One Hammer

Saadadvanced.
Hi m8
What about starting a stump the guru.
Someone starts with a question and when a person gets the correct answer he then takes over the guru title?
Then he posts a question and so on?
What would you reckon the chances of kicking this of are?
ps i now have a teaser for yourself!!!
How many ways can a batsman be given out and what are they?


is there any reason for why this was specifically regarded to me (not that i mind or anything, just curious).
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the answer to the question is when the bail is lifted marginally.
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Originally posted by saadadvanced7

Originally posted by One Hammer

Saadadvanced.
Hi m8
What about starting a stump the guru.
Someone starts with a question and when a person gets the correct answer he then takes over the guru title?
Then he posts a question and so on?
What would you reckon the chances of kicking this of are?
ps i now have a teaser for yourself!!!
How many ways can a batsman be given out and what are they?


is there any reason for why this was specifically regarded to me (not that i mind or anything, just curious).

Because originally One Hammer posted it as a response to one of your posts. I moved it, creating a new topic but was unable to edit out what he'd written. Hope that clears things up.
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Originally posted by Wolfman


Can a bowler have figures like 10 overs 0 maidens 0 runs 2 wickets?

So the answer to this question is "No".

 

 



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Originally posted by saadadvanced7

Originally posted by One Hammer

Saadadvanced.
Hi m8
What about starting a stump the guru.
Someone starts with a question and when a person gets the correct answer he then takes over the guru title?
Then he posts a question and so on?
What would you reckon the chances of kicking this of are?
ps i now have a teaser for yourself!!!
How many ways can a batsman be given out and what are they?


is there any reason for why this was specifically regarded to me (not that i mind or anything, just curious).


well, thanks JP.





PS. nobody told me if my answer is correct to the question regarding the run out.
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Thanks for clearing that up JP.
The thread was left without a question....
Can we make a ruling if someone comes on and there is no Question asked they can leave a question?
Just so the thread dosnt die to quickly.
May i now enforce that ruling please?

Please can you help to solve an ongoing dispute at my cricket club. Obviously the laws state that a batsman should not be given out lbw if the ball pitches outside the line of leg stump. However, if the batsman is hit on the full toss outside the line of leg stump, and the ball would have gone on to hit the stumps, should he be given out?
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No, he shouldn't be given out.  The ball has still pitched outside the line of leg stump, even though it's pitched on his foot.

 
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We haven't actually confirmed or otherwise the response to Kruppel's question:

i remembering watching the super series, and during one of the one day games,i am not sure who the player was, a run out occured. The question was weather the bails had to lift clear from the wickets.

What is the rule?When does a run out occur?when the bail completely lifts from the wickets,or when the bails fall on the ground?Or is it when the bail is lifted marginally?

 
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Law 28 (The wicket is down)

1. Wicket put down
(a) The wicket is put down if a bail is completely removed from the top of the stumps, or a stump is struck out of the ground by
(i) the ball.
(ii) the striker's bat, whether he is holding it or has let go of it.
(iii) the striker's person or by any part of his clothing or equipment becoming detached from his person.
(iv) a fielder, with his hand or arm, providing that the ball is held in the hand or hands so used, or in the hand of the arm so used.
The wicket is also put down if a fielder pulls a stump out of the ground in the same manner.

(b) The disturbance of a bail, whether temporary or not, shall not constitute its complete removal from the top of the stumps, but if a bail in falling lodges between two of the stumps this shall be regarded as complete removal.

 
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Originally posted by swerveman

No, he shouldn't be given out. The ball has still pitched outside the line of leg stump, even though it's pitched on his foot.




Hammer pm'd me the answer swerve - and you're spot on as usual !!

The ball must be bowled wicket to wicket or outside off to get an LBW - it doesn't matter if it pitches or not , if it's outside leg , it's outside leg!

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OK, I don't have much time, so here's a simple one:

 

The Law now states that the toss must take place between certain times.

(a) What are these times?
(b) Where should this toss take place?

 
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the toss is suppose to take place on the pitch.the time is right before the match .

I hope i'm right
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The captains shall toss for the choice of innings on the field of play not earlier than 30 minutes,nor later than 15 minutes befor the scheduled or any rescheduled time for the start of play - Law 12 (innings)

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Due to the fact that the ICC is trying to stop time-wasting in matches,they have imposed a law that the match referee may ban the captain for slow overrates.

How is it determined that the over rate of the team is slow(how is it calculated),and what is the maximum suspenion that can be imposed on a captain?And do the match referee take into account circumstances like the batting team wasting time,and is the captain allowed to appeal the suspension?
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Originally posted by saadadvanced7

the toss is suppose to take place on the pitch.the time is right before the match .

I hope i'm right

Well, Kruppel got it right.  The law states that the toss shall take place on the field of play.  The captains still seem to like doing it on the pitch.

 
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Kruppel , are you an accountant , cos that just has to be THE most boring question I've ever se..............zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzz
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Kruppel, you sound like a lawyer!
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Sledger,why do you think u can question other people's intellectual capability's? I was merely trying to enlighten the mental aspect of your life.Can u tell me the answer to my question not by asking me another question?
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Originally posted by Kruppel

Due to the fact that the ICC is trying to stop time-wasting in matches,they have imposed a law that the match referee may ban the captain for slow overrates.

How is it determined that the over rate of the team is slow(how is it calculated),and what is the maximum suspenion that can be imposed on a captain?And do the match referee take into account circumstances like the batting team wasting time,and is the captain allowed to appeal the suspension?

The answers are all contained in this document:

http://www.icc-cricket.com/icc/rules/code-of-conduct-for-pla yers-and-officials.pdf

The calculation is too lengthy to post here;  it's in Section J of the document.

The maximum ban is one Test Match or two ODIs.  The match referee can take time wasting by the batting side into account, and the captain has a right to appeal.

Sorry, chaps.  I quite like the legal stuff! 

 
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Originally posted by Kruppel

Sledger,why do you think u can question other people's intellectual
capability's? I was merely trying to enlighten the mental aspect of
your life.Can u tell me the answer to my question not by asking me
another question?


I didn't question your intellectual capability at all Kruppel , you are a sensitive soul aren't you.

Don't try and enlighten the mental aspect of MY life , I do that in more ways than you could possibly know and NONE of them involve researching the dazzling world of your subject matter.

Lastly , no , I won't answer your inane question , as I'm far too busy splitting the atom and developing the perfect cup of tea.
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