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    Posted: 23 June 2006 at 11:35am
need any help with swing? looking at the forums iv only really seen stuff on spin soooo who wants to learn a little bit more on swing!?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote ANIL KUMBLE Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 June 2006 at 11:56am
The shiny side of tha ball means it will swing away from the batsman,I think something like some shiny side if its on the left it will swing away to the left and if right,right.
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yeah, shiny side on the leg side, seam tilted to fist slip gives out swing. your bowling fingers need to be alongside the seam not on the seam. VITAL FOR OUTSWING YOU MUST STAY SIDE ON!!!

inswing seam verticle but tilted towards fine leg or in tht direction, second finger on the rim of the seam both fingers quite close together. thumb needs to be underneath the ball on the seam flat rather than the usual on the edge. shiny side on the off side or outwards. VITAL FOR INSWING YOU MUST BOWL OPEN CHESTED!!!

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here are my swing bowling tips to anyone.

(1) Inswinger (1 overs until it start to reverse swing)

same like swingking says. Shiny side to slips and the seam pointed to leg slip but vertical and not tilted. I also found out that chest on makes it inswing wickedly.

(2) outswinger (1 overs until it start to reverse swing)

same like swingking again.

(3) inswinger (when it starts to reverse)

same like 1 but change the shiny side but the seam remains the same.

(4) outswinger (when it starts to reverse)

same like 2 but change the shiny side again but the seam remains the same.

(5) tips - when ball start to reverse , try bowling an inswinger with the seam facing fine leg and the shiny side to slips. This should make the ball reverse away in the air then nip away of the pitch.

(6) tips- when the ball start to reverse , try bowling an outswinger with the shiny side to fine leg and the seam to slips . this should make the ball reverse inwards in the air then nip back in of the pitch.

hope these helps you all and these last 2 (5 & 6) are why england thrashed the aussies last ashes.

 

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wicked thers sum stuff i didn't know ther thnks spin wiz!
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Originally posted by swingking

wicked thers sum stuff i didn't know ther thnks spin wiz!

No problems mate.

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I am left handed and I want to learn how to swing it. Can anyone give me some help on how to swing it?
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I bowl side on and bowl a great inswinger. An open chested action is not needed.
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That is true too! Well, different action does different things. I remember when I use to bowl pace, I use to bowl front on and use to get the ball to inswing a good deal. When I tape up a tennis ball and bowl at home, I get the ball to inswing but not out swing.

So in conclusion, your action can help you to do different swings better.

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i am left handed aswell and want to bowl swing but not quite sure how to do it but would like to bowl outswing
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Then consult Wasim Akram.
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you want to bowl outswing to a right hander or left hander?

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right hander cause there is more of them in my league
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if ur left handed u will be more effective bowling inswing to the right hander from over the wicket
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Left armers don't swing it away really from the RHB. They usually angle it away! You can swing it but most prefer to angle it away. Angling it will be like seam movement so more effective.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote robbie Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 February 2007 at 9:42pm
so if i want to bolw how a normal left hander bowls to a right hander would i be better to in swing it or out swing it
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Swing it in like Pathan, Vaas and Akram and angle it away like all lefties do. Variation is a key to great bowling! I'm sure Akram will agree with me on this.
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 hi swing king i hope you have mastered the grips by now Wink, now if we go into finer detail, all the above are correct,.
 
But I think 2 more things to remember are, 1. slightly reducing your pace (not a slower ball and dose not always need to reduce your pace, i think it will give you a better direction and allows batsman to think its going to be a quicky and may play the short early.)
 
2.bowling full, not short( I mean banging it in the middle), will make the ball swing well, as the longer the ball travels in air the better it swings and belive me you will enjoy every one of your in or away swinging yorker length balls.


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The one key thing for swing bowling which is almost never mentioned but can make a bigger difference than probably any other single thing is wrist position. For a start, if your going to bowl swing your wrist has to be firm and cocked, and it has to stay firm throughout the delivary, that is the first thing to get right. Once you've sorted that (and take your time making sure you've got it, get experienced players to watch you closely and comment) you can move on to wrist position for the in- and/or out-swinger.

You will frequently hear people when talking about swing refering to where you point the seam - at first slip for an away-swinger and at leg slip for an in-swinger. This is correct to an extent, but crucially doesn't tell the whole story. What people get wrong is to rotate the angle of the ball in the hand to achieve this but in fact what you need to do is to hold the ball as normal and change your wrist position - slightly to the left for an away-swinger, so the seam appears at a slight angle like so (\) and vice versa for the in-swinger so the ball appears (/). BUT it is crucial you keep always keep your wrist firmly cocked or you won't be getting the benefit, plus you'll be losing pace, accuracy, any seam movement basically everything that makes a seam bowler useful. My point being that wrist position is absolutely crucial in all seam bowling.

Anyway, these technical things aside, if you keep trying it's likely if you have a decent action you'll discover you naturally swing the ball one way, so when you do work on that one andf make it your stock ball, you can always work on the other one later if needs be. I've bowled lovely away-swingers since i was a wee nipper without knowing how, having never been told about what affect the wrist has, and now for the first time in my life i can bowl one which goes trhe other way, which is a great weapon in a bowlers armoury. Concentrate on your natural swing thoguh and keep that as a surprise.
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Thanks, thats all great advice, for a few months now i've been working on my own variety of fast bowling that centers almost excusivly around cutting the ball just because I havent been able to manage any swing so far.

As for the information about the (/) position, thats a great revalation to me, all the guides I have read so far literally tell you to just move the ball arund towards the slips but don't specify how, i'm going to give this a shot at my next net session on sunday, i'll let you know how it goes, if I could manage to swing it and cut it then well, assuming some level of accuracy and pace I should be a bit of a handful

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its the rip you give the ball while deliveing. All good swing bowlers will tell you that thy really rip the seam through thier fingers whil delivering the ball
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Rambo_123UK Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 February 2007 at 11:05am
You need to run your fingers down the seam to get it to spin so that gyroscopic action keeps the seem upright for swing to take effect and the ball to pitch seam-up but I read an article in TWC where a couple of top bowlers were advocating a very loose grip of the ball and to let it almost glide out because if you try to give it a good push with the fingers if your wrist isn't in the perfect position the seam is going to wobble all over the place. I changed my grip so that the ball almost glides out of the hand itself at the release point and started to get much more consistent swing.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Chin Music Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 February 2007 at 2:39pm
That's very interesting, I may give that a try in indoor nets. Do you find it compromises pace or accuracy at all?
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No. Not accuracy, anyway, if anything, it helps my line and length.
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Originally posted by Chin Music

normal and change your wrist position - slightly to the left for an away-swinger, so the seam appears at a slight angle like so (\) and vice versa for the in-swinger so the ball appears (/).

Not really. I use to bowl pace about 2 years back and for my inswingers, my wrist use to angle more towards the off side but the seam position to leg slip and I use to get the ball to inswing with ease.
 
As Rambo said, let the ball glide out! That's how I use to do my inswingers - let them glide out. My tip of my index and middle finger points a bit towards the leg side as well and that use to help too.  
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Uh, yeah I wrote that totally the wrong way round, lot of use that was. (/) for away-swing, (\) for in-swing
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