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    Posted: 31 January 2007 at 9:29am
If you think that what I'm posting is rubbish, then please validate why you think so. Don't laugh in my face and then tell me that I'm being disrespectful. At least I'm giving you my points of view. The fact of the matter is I'm being civil about my posts. You're not.
 
Also, I'm sure you may have noticed that I did apologise for adding him to my first list, but I still maintain that he's a good player, that's all I said. I don't need to be ridiculed for that, do I?


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  Do I have to spell it out?  You rave about Dippenaar , who is distictly average at best. I asked you , if he's so wonderful, why will he be sat at home for the next 2 weeks?

   I await your reply with great anticipation.....


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All right, Sledger... I think we both got off on the wrong foot.. Let's just agree to disagree on the Dippenaar issue, and move on.
 
 
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Originally posted by KiWiNiNjA

1. Lou Vincent
2. Stephen Fleming
3. Ross Taylor
4. Scott Styris
5. Craig McMillan
6. Jacob Oram
7. Brendon McCullum
8. Daniel Vettori
9. Kyle Mills
10. Shane Bond
11. Mark Gillespie
 
With the side i have put up, I think the Black Caps have a great chance at this World Cup. With inform players like Vincent, Taylor, and the red hot Oram, along with the reintroduction of Styris and the super-fast McCullum back at 7 we are a real threat on the batting side. And with a bowling lineup of Bond, Mills, Oram, Vettori we can certainly hold our own on the bowling side.
 
 
The NZ squad is beginning to look more and more ominous with each match that they're playing. And Oram's hot streak is starting to inspire some of the others in the team.
 
As an SA supporter, I know our boys for one are gonna be very wary of NZ since our defeat at their hands at the ICC champions trophy. I hugely respect their team and would love to see them lift the trophy if not us.
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Originally posted by Mojo

The NZ squad is beginning to look more and more ominous with each match that they're playing. And Oram's hot streak is starting to inspire some of the others in the team.
 
As an SA supporter, I know our boys for one are gonna be very wary of NZ since our defeat at their hands at the ICC champions trophy. I hugely respect their team and would love to see them lift the trophy if not us.
 
Yeah, this World Cup is gonna be a beauty. Not just with the Black Caps having all these guys finding form and getting back from injury, but with alot of sides seeming to be PEAKING. Some 'so called' experts think that Australia is on another level, but i think its gonna be a real slugfest.
 
New Zealand, India, Sri Lanka, Pakistan, West Indies, South Africa all have REALISTIC chances to win. I wouldnt be surprised if Australia dont even make it to the semi-finals. All of those 6 sides have the ability to beat the Aussies. 
 
NZ - With the in-form Vincent and Taylor at the top, the red-hot Oram, and the return of Styris, along with Bond, Mills, Vettori
SL - Jayasuria and Tharanga at the top are explosive. Then with Jayawardena and Sangakkara. And the likes of Murali and Vaas
IND - Cant count out a team with Tendulkar, Dravid, Dhoni, Yuvraj and Pathan
PAK - Dangerous bowling attack, and the likes of Yousuf, Younis Khan and Inzaman
WI -  Gayle and Chanderpaul are dangerous at the top, then Lara and a coming-of-age Samuels in the middle and Taylor spearheading the attack
RSA - The Pollock-Ntini opening attack is one, if not the, best in world cricket. And Kallis, Smith, Gibbs, Boucher are all quality players
 
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Like the term slugfest Kiwi!!   The likes of Gibbs , Freddie , Symonds and Sarwan (if he makes it back!)  will be slugging more than a few!!Wink
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KiwiNinja, im impressed with your NZ side.

Like you said if the pitch is slow and turning then Patal should be included, he is very effective with vettori in the middle overs.

It is a major toss up between having Fulton or Macca, because Styris will command a spot at 4 or 5.
At the end of the day i'd op for Macca for the WC, then Fulton for after the WC with an eye on the future.
 
As for the bowling positions we have a strong attack in a fit Bond, Mills, Vettori and Gillispie/Patal with the support of Styris and Macca.
 
In saying this i'm very tempted to put Franklin in the side, he has bowled well recently taking wickets on a regular basis. With the left arm option as well as a strong batsman i'd probably choose him instead of Gillispie.
 
We already have Mills and Oram who are right arm medium pace bowlers leaving no room for Gillispie. 
 
What do you think? 
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Im not sure on Franklin. Yes, he has taken wickets at the top for us recently, but he is still as expensive as ever.
 
I think Gillespie brings a little more pace. He is not as fast as Bond, but he is still bowling in the high 130s to low 140s. And with the confidence he would get from being picked for the WC he could evenbuild his pace up a bit more.
 
I think needs to focus on his bowling more, rather than being an allrounder. I think what we have seen with Jacob Orab in the last week is that he has focused on his batting, and that has paid off. Ofcourse his bowling has dimished a bit, but id rather have him as a batting allrounder. On the otherhand Franklin should be more of a bowling allrounder, but he just doesnt bowl well enough. There is always 1 or 2 bad bowls an over than gets smashed to the boundary.
 
When it comes to Macca, i think the fact that he bowls comes in to the decision alot. Also, he is alot more aggressive, which i think i a better fit for the number 5 spot. Yes, Fulton is more of a long term option but with the emergence of Taylor and comeback of Styis I really dont see him fitting into the side. 
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Ok Franklin has been relatively expensive recently, and yes Gillespie does have that extra pace and has bowled some decent spells without luck.
 
The feeling I get from the selectors is that they will opt for Franklin for balance within the side. He has been bowling mid to late 130's recently and is starting to get a good angle to right handers.
 
I wouldn't be fussed if they decide to go with Gillespie but I would prefer Franklin for the left-arm option. On the batting side of things I believe Franklin should concentrate on his bowling as much as possible..however he can swing the bat if needed, much better than Gillespie.
 
On Oram it is very useful having him as a preforming batsman. However he is a bowling all rounder and should work on his bowling without neglecting his batting. He is economical and can make a difference in the middle overs if he is bowling well as a first change bowler with Franklin or Mills.
 
The side seems to bland and predictable with Mills, Oram and Gillespie as the first change bowlers. Why not have Franklin and Patal or Mills and Patal instead to give the side variety.
 
We could have Bond and Mills open and then Patal and Oram as first change bowlers who are then accompanied by Vettori and Macca or Styris if they need that option. Fleming has also indicated that he wants Oram to be a vital part of the bowling attack in a recent interview.
 
Yes Macca is the best option for the WC but he should be dropped after it to accomodate Fulton who will warrant selection batting at 3. In the WC are we going to use Taylor at 3 when he has been doing so well at 4??
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dos not matter how hot oram is he will definitly strugle in west indies.. becouse those tracks are terninng a bit folks.... Hoggy, murali, and Bhaji..loang with kumble...will make life dificult for him....and kiwis.
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learn how to spell before you start giving your thoughts please.
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Yes Macca is the best option for the WC but he should be dropped after it to accomodate Fulton who will warrant selection batting at 3. In the WC are we going to use Taylor at 3 when he has been doing so well at 4??
 
I think because of the current side, Macca is not just the best option for the WC, but after aswell. As long as he is inform that is.
 
Why Taylor at number 3?
Just for the fact that both Taylor and Styris are both number 4s, in my opinion. Say you put Fulton at number 3, where he has come in in the past couple of games. Taylor would be the number 4, and then Styris number 5? For me 5 is too low for Styris. And ofcourse if you have Fulton in the side there is no room for McMillan. And i dont see Macca playing at 3
 
Originally posted by neranja

dos not matter how hot oram is he will definitly strugle in west indies.. becouse those tracks are terninng a bit folks.... Hoggy, murali, and Bhaji..loang with kumble...will make life dificult for him....and kiwis.
 
I beg to differ. Oram can be just as explosive against spin as he is against pace, in my opinion.
Also if the tracks are turning a bit, and on the slow side, i think the NZ bowlers will be pretty difficult to play aswell. Vettori and Patel, and even Styris should make life difficult for other batsman aswell
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id go for hamish marshall in for macca for the reason that he is very talented and is quick between wickets as we all know rotating strike is essential in odi cricket.
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id go for hamish marshall in for macca for the reason that he is very talented and is quick between wickets as we all know rotating strike is essential in odi cricket.

 
Yeah, its a shame Hamish Marshall has been out of form for so long. If he was still the player he was 2yrs ago then i would definetly have him in the XI over the likes of Fulton and Macca. His is great at turning over the strike, and would give us another excellent fielder to go with Vincent (and Taylor for that matter)
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Like the term slugfest Kiwi!!   The likes of Gibbs , Freddie , Symonds and Sarwan (if he makes it back!)  will be slugging more than a few!!Wink
That's nice to see you rating Sarwan along with players like Gibbs and Freddie.
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I don't believe 5 is too low for Styris. It's an important position in ODI's, usually a position to gain composure in an innings.

If we had Vincent and Fleming opening, then Fulton at 3, then Taylor at 4 and Styris at 5 greater balance would be achieved. Number 3 is an important position and you cannot just put anyone there.
 
Styris would work nicely at 5 with Oram and McCullum following him. Although McMillan provides that extra bowling option and experience we don't need him that badly.
 
We have Stryis to accommodate that role. Fulton has been batting well. Has got many starts and has been scoring at a run a ball. Give him time and he will become an excellent batsman. He has proven that at State level.
 
 
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I am surely in the worldcup right now. Te me australia, west indies and india are favourite. Forget the form with INdia and west indies, they surely will be very dangerous.
 
 
To me their is only one problem, the match start when i am in school, so i will be missing 3/4 of the action. Anyway college is very important, so i am not going to cry.
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This should be the closest cup for a while. It really could be anyones. I do not think we will be seeing kenya make these finals. Can't wait to see today's style of big hitting to be unleashed. A score of 300 will not scare teams in WI. Wait for the SA record to be beaten when some of the powerhouses tackle the minoes .
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Originally posted by Sledger

Like the term slugfest Kiwi!!   The likes of Gibbs , Freddie , Symonds and Sarwan (if he makes it back!)  will be slugging more than a few!!Wink
That's nice to see you rating Sarwan along with players like Gibbs and Freddie.


  Daisy , I don't think you quite understand what I mean by slugging!Wink
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Originally posted by neranja

dos not matter how hot oram is he will definitly strugle in west indies.. becouse those tracks are terninng a bit folks.... Hoggy, murali, and Bhaji..loang with kumble...will make life dificult for him....and kiwis.


  Hoggy?????  Goughie has more chance of playing than him!
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Wait for the SA record to be beaten when some of the powerhouses tackle the minoes .
That record has already been beaten by Sri Lanka.
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Originally posted by Sledger

Originally posted by neranja

dos not matter how hot oram is he will definitly strugle in west indies.. becouse those tracks are terninng a bit folks.... Hoggy, murali, and Bhaji..loang with kumble...will make life dificult for him....and kiwis.


  Hoggy?????  Goughie has more chance of playing than him!
 
I imagine he meant brad.
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Who do you guys think will be the star batsman and star bowler of the world cup?
Batsman - Hussey?
Bowler - Murali?
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I imagine he meant brad.


  The forgotten man mate , underrated bowler and a fine fielder , he could well end up with shiny pants in the caribbean.
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I imagine he meant brad.
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I imagine he meant brad.


  The forgotten man mate , underrated bowler and a fine fielder , he could well end up with shiny pants in the caribbean.
 
I agree, I think he would have played plenty of test cricket if he wasn't an aussie. I don't know how he dosen't bite that tongue off though.
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Who do you guys think will be the star batsman and star bowler of the world cup?
Batsman - Hussey?
Bowler - Murali?

 
  Good choices Mojo , but I've a feeling that Ponting will be top run getter. Watch Lara , Gayle , Tendulkar , Younis , Kallis and Pietersen too!
   Bowling is going to be hard graft and Murali will be right up there along with other spinners , Vettori and Panesar could well be amongst the top wicket takers.
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The only thing preventing Panesar matching Murali's or Vettori's wicket hauls will be the fact he will have fewer matches to play in.
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you cant be sierous back foot master...  india and west indies cant be better than Soth Africa, Sri lanka, and Pakisthan.....
i like to say again india is the most over rated team in the world....
they are  unbeatable only in india... and sri lanken may cheng all that in near future......

i think you are spoton sledger..Hoggy mghit do that....i like the way he bowl...and for me he is the most beutiful bowler to watch..and his gota magical wrongun.. and i dont think..many of the batsmen picking it...
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 Oh WG , the pessimism of us English when talking cricket!  Now if the Germans were to go on an overseas trip again we'd have a far more positive approach!
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