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zuhair_abbasi
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Topic: The Ashes 2010/11 in Australia Posted: 30 September 2010 at 6:24am |
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Broad is pretty good. He wasn't when he started but has been on a consistent improvement. I expect him to be England's leading wicket taker and not Swann. Australia themselves have a lot to answer in their batting line. We have seen they can collapse in a session - Ponting is not going to get better. A lot will depend on Katich and Clarke. It is going to be one hell of a series. Could be anybody's series.
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milkman
Middle-Order Batsman
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Posted: 30 September 2010 at 7:58am |
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Phillip Hughes must play. North is far too inconsistent, you have to make contributions between hundreds, which he doesn't. Watson, Katich, Clarke are the key batsmen, while I feel Hussey is a waning force. I certainly think Hussey and North have a lot to answer for, and there positions should be questioned. Callum Ferguson for mine is an improving batsman who could do a good job. Young Usman Khawaja is a very good batsman as well. Hughes is the best batsman in Australia not in the test XI, that's fact.
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zuhair_abbasi
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Posted: 30 September 2010 at 8:23am |
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I wouldn't go that far milky - but yes he should play ahead of North and Watson should drop to six. But it is a dilemma as Watson has been so good opening the innings. Dont think they can fix in Hughes at six. Ferguson should be in the test team come the next Ashes. I really like his approach to the game.
Hilfenhaus remaining fit throughout the series will boost Australia's chances. Dont think Bolli and Johnson will be as effective. England also have a huge advantage in the spin department. There are clearly no favourites - which makes me wait for The Ashes to come soon.
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flipper
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Posted: 30 September 2010 at 9:17am |
Originally posted by milkman
I think Broad is overrrated with the bat, they tout him as the next Flintoff. He's got a hell of a long way to go before he is good enough to bat at 7. With the ball, everyone knows he is inconsistent, like Johnson, but when he's on song he's brilliant.
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When you say 'They tout him as the next flintoff' who are they? I remermber when he first broke into the England team as a young lad and certain people were asking the question could we have another flintoff in the making?? but to this day I know of no one who touts him as the next freddie. Personally I've only seen him have one good knock with the bat and that was in his last match. Infact up till this point he's been really poor with the bat as everyone knows, so to overrate first you have to rate and he's never done that in the first place.
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milkman
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Posted: 30 September 2010 at 9:57am |
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Bollinger, in Australia, is probably the best option. Johnson always does better in Australia and I think Harris could play a role.
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milkman
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Posted: 30 September 2010 at 10:00am |
Originally posted by zuhair_abbasi
I wouldn't go that far milky - but yes he should play ahead of North and Watson should drop to six. But it is a dilemma as Watson has been so good opening the innings. Dont think they can fix in Hughes at six. Ferguson should be in the test team come the next Ashes. I really like his approach to the game.
Hilfenhaus remaining fit throughout the series will boost Australia's chances. Dont think Bolli and Johnson will be as effective. England also have a huge advantage in the spin department. There are clearly no favourites - which makes me wait for The Ashes to come soon. |
The easy fix is if Ponting goes down the order. He's not the force he once was at 3. I'd bat Ponting at 5, like where Waugh used to bat, and have Katich or Hughes at 3.
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mystery
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Posted: 30 September 2010 at 10:43am |
Ponting will never agree to go down the order. I think in future when Hussey goes Smith should also come in so it makes the team balance.
My lineup would be:
Katich
Hughes
Ponting
Clarke
Watson
Haddin
Smith
Hauritz
Johnson
Bollinger
Hillfenhaus
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zuhair_abbasi
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Posted: 30 September 2010 at 11:14am |
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Hussey whenever he goes, will not go alone. Punter will be along.
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milkman
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Posted: 30 September 2010 at 11:30am |
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Sachin had a lean patch worse than Pontings for 17 tests, with only 1 ton. Ponting is making runs in ODI cricket and has looked decent in tests, but with only moderate returns. Don't right him off just yet. I'd play it like this: 1. Watson 2. Hughes 3. Ponting 4. Clarke 5. Katich 6. Hussey 7. Haddin 8. Johnson 9. Hauritz 10. Harris/Bollinger 11. Hilfenhaus 12. Siddle
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mystery
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Posted: 30 September 2010 at 12:01pm |
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I think Katich at 5 is too low becuz he is the one who can score big and he takes his time so it wont be a good move and i agree with Milky Ponting will play alot more test matches but he might lose his captaincy if Australia lose Ashes.
Edited by mystery - 30 September 2010 at 12:05pm
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milkman
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Posted: 30 September 2010 at 12:03pm |
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Katich used to bat at 5 for Australia, made tons from there. Watson, Hughes, Clarke and Ponting are the 4 men who have potential to make massive 100s, and they should have a go first. Katich consistently gets out after making 80. He's versatile enough to bat anywhere, he never used to open back in the day.
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mystery
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Posted: 30 September 2010 at 12:09pm |
You are right but Watson and Hughes both are attacking players which you dont need in Test matches and I think Smith is very good player. They can easily play him when Hussey goes that will make their bowling strong.
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Rohit Sharma - What the world has seen is gear 1, gear speed 2,3,4,5,7,8,9 to be witnessed in IPL only.
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milkman
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Posted: 30 September 2010 at 12:21pm |
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Smith can make runs, definitely, but his technique is like that of most young cricketers... unorthodox and without a good defence.
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mystery
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Posted: 30 September 2010 at 12:31pm |
Pitches are so flat that you dont need great technique to be a good player.
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milkman
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Posted: 30 September 2010 at 1:15pm |
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Not for Australia, and not in the top 6 mate. He needs to work on his game, in both disciplines before he can become a regular. He's just going to be like Cameron White eventually... A good batsman who can't get into the test side and a nothing bowler.
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sam_ahmed
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Posted: 30 September 2010 at 1:16pm |
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is Hughes really as good as he is made out to be? I mean I have no idea, I haven't seen much of him but whatever little I have seen I was not that impressed, still he might be much better than what I think he is.
Is he really good enough to be the best batsman in Australia?
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milkman
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Posted: 30 September 2010 at 2:06pm |
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Best batsman not playing test cricket... that's what I said.
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mystery
Opener
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Posted: 30 September 2010 at 2:10pm |
I agree with Milky the first time i saw him when he made hundred in final he was so impressive.He is a wonderful player he just needs time he will become a run machine.
Edited by mystery - 30 September 2010 at 2:13pm
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Rohit Sharma - What the world has seen is gear 1, gear speed 2,3,4,5,7,8,9 to be witnessed in IPL only.
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milkman
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Posted: 30 September 2010 at 2:22pm |
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He accumulates runs at a good pace, with his own style. He's interesting to watch. Powerful square of the wicket on the offside and very good straight down the ground.
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sam_ahmed
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Posted: 30 September 2010 at 2:27pm |
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ok guys, I only wanted to know about him, I don't know how good or bad he is, but yes now I remember he actually did well in the CLT20 last year for NSW but then that was T20 stuff.
If he is good enough then surely he must be given his chances, Watson can drop down the order while Hughes and Katich can open. Also it'll be a good idea to allow Hughes and Watson to open in ODI's, that'll be a very fine opening pair.
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milkman
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Posted: 30 September 2010 at 2:29pm |
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Shaun Marsh is a good ODI opener, I'd probably keep him there for now, but he's the type who can bat anywhere too. I'd like to see Hughes in all formats of the game, the selectors have really missed a trick by not sticking with him.
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Max Power
Extra Cover
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Posted: 01 October 2010 at 11:47am |
Originally posted by flipper
Originally posted by milkman
I think Broad is overrrated with the bat, they tout him as the next Flintoff. He's got a hell of a long way to go before he is good enough to bat at 7. With the ball, everyone knows he is inconsistent, like Johnson, but when he's on song he's brilliant.
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When you say 'They tout him as the next flintoff' who are they? I remermber when he first broke into the England team as a young lad and certain people were asking the question could we have another flintoff in the making?? but to this day I know of no one who touts him as the next freddie. Personally I've only seen him have one good knock with the bat and that was in his last match. Infact up till this point he's been really poor with the bat as everyone knows, so to overrate first you have to rate and he's never done that in the first place.
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Over 1000 test runs at an average of over 28? Yeah, sure, he hasn't done anything to prove his worth with the bat  He still has a way to go, but the lad has proven that he has got a good technique, he just needs to keep putting in the hard work.
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milkman
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Posted: 01 October 2010 at 11:49am |
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Johnson was averaging 34 at one stage. What's your point? Would you like to see him bat at 6 like Freddy?
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Max Power
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Posted: 01 October 2010 at 11:51am |
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Watson once again proving his credentials with a 100 at the top of the order. He is a run machine right now and Aus would be mad to move him in the order.
As for Hughes the boy has potential, but he did fail twice against England. Whether Aus can (or want) to find him a place in this line up is another question. He will come good, and cement his place in the team, of that I'm sure. But he's still young...
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Max Power
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Posted: 01 October 2010 at 11:53am |
Originally posted by milkman
Johnson was averaging 34 at one stage. What's your point? Would you like to see him bat at 6 like Freddy?
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No I am not suggesting he is 'the new Freddy'. All I was pointing out is that he does have batting potential and can score runs. I see him as a possible future number 7, but as I said there is a long way to go...
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spin wizard
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Posted: 01 October 2010 at 4:20pm |
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You can definitely see Broad has potential with the bat, no doubt about that. How good he uses it is another story. The more I think about it, the more I see similarity between Broad and Jerome Taylor. Both can bat although aint showing much result for it and can produce blistering spells. Sadly though, one is playing all the time while the other is lazy not caring much about his fitness it seems.
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bladescape
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Posted: 05 October 2010 at 4:39am |
Originally posted by milkman
Bollinger, in Australia, is probably the best option. Johnson always does better in Australia and I think Harris could play a role.
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Johnson's had some quite impressive spells in Aus, especially against SA.
However, I didn't perticularly like what I saw in Harris, a pace trio of Johnson, Bollinger and Hilfenhaus is much more deadly, he should only be THOUGHT about if they go for 4 pacers or one of the above gets injured.
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bladescape
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Posted: 05 October 2010 at 4:41am |
Originally posted by milkman
Best batsman not playing test cricket... that's what I said.
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A good batsman, and I'd really like him to succeed, but I've noted some holes in his technique which the Englanders picked up on, if he's to succeed in his next chance at international cricket he needs to fix up that LBW/slip problem.
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milkman
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Posted: 05 October 2010 at 4:59am |
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I don't think he has any problem playing off his pads and getting out leg before. If anything, it's the way he approaches straight short deliveries, in that he tries to cut them, rather than hook or duck. Thus he gets cramped and gets himself out. He's particularly strong down the ground and through the square boundaries on the off side and he can score fast. I reckon he would make a shedload of runs in the sub continent, and he did very well in SA which is conducive to pace and well in NZ which takes swing bowling well. Like I said, in England, he only batted 3 times and was out on a no ball after getting a solid 30 odd. So he should be given some slack.
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Sledger
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Posted: 05 October 2010 at 5:58am |
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Milkie's suggestion of fiddling with the Aussie batting order is an interesting one. I agree that Hussey's not the player he was and he's not set India on fire in the latest test either. To accommodate Hughes is tricky - as Zuhair says , he's no number 6 , but will Ponting be okay with a drop down the order - I think not. The outcome of the India series will have a massive influence on the selectors for the Ashes. If Australia win and continue to score 400+ first up , I don't see them changing very much. North needs runs , but a big ton will probably be enough to cement his place for Brisbane. His bowling isn't top drawer , but he has the knack of breaking partnerships and mustn't be underrated by the English.
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