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    Posted: 05 October 2010 at 6:14am
North and Hussey are the problem, that middle order of Australia is not like it used to be. Hughes should play in the top 4, and if that means Clarke bats at 5 then I can't see it being a huge issue, since we need to sure up the middle order. To be honest , I think this might be Hussey's last summer in the test kit , his powers are waning and he doesn't look like the player he was 4 years ago.
There are a lot of good middle order options going around, I can't fathom why having a middle order including North who is 31 and Hussey who is 35 and both not being consistent is the way forward in the minds of the selectors.
Even someone like Cameron White would be more useful in that middle order and he is the vice captain of the T20 side, so apparently he's considered an important bloke.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 October 2010 at 6:20am
 It's a big series for both North and Hussey , failure could see them out , but are the replacements going to be better?  Historically Australia have made changes only when someone's injured or desparately out of form (remeber Bevan's problems against the short ball?). England have swapped and changed without much thought a few years back , it smacked of panic and usually led to another horrific defeat.  Atherton said he rarely captained a side where he knew all the player's first names !  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 October 2010 at 6:24am
Haha!
That's perhaps why they stick with them, they don't like to swap and change players too much. I think Ferguson, White, Hughes and Khawaja are all young enough and have the ability to make runs. It's really just a matter of time and thought.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 October 2010 at 6:30am
 England have got a stable set up now and the selectors and Flower can take credit for that. If Australia come back from India with a series win Ponting's standing will have gone through the roof and the youngsters will have to wait a while.  Then again , if England get a flyer (and their record in Brisbane is awful!) , get the win , maybe there will be changes , but it's unlikely.
          To be honest I'd be happy for the 1st test to be drawn , but that's rarely happened there , but it can bucket down in Queensland !
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 October 2010 at 6:57am
QLD gets a bit of rain actually, but usually there's enough time to complete the test, because the sun sets well after 7pm... thus you can start early and finish late and make up time. And umpires are no longer allowed to offer light.
Brisbane is not really a pivotal match, England's best chances are in the last 2 tests at Melbourne and Sydney.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 October 2010 at 8:35am
The decision to leave light issues to the umpires was a long time coming !  The biggest losers with the old system was the paying public , so many good contests ruined by a stupid rule.
  As for Mebourne being one to win - let's hope the Aussies celebrate Christmas a little too robustly!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 October 2010 at 1:24pm
I actually think England stand a terrific chance at Adelaide.  It's a beautiful batting surface for the first 3 days but can start to take plenty spin on day 4 and especially day 5.  Hauritz and Benn last time they played in Adelaide had a spinners paradise to bowl on and they barely turned the ball.  Any spinner of Murali, Warne, Kumble, even harbhajan would have run through teams on that track.  Swann is top class so if England gets a good total like they did last time around in Adelaide, Swann might be able to work some magic for them.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 October 2010 at 1:49pm
I don't agree. It's not a great track for bowling at all. The wicket does nothing for the quicks, and the short side boundaries are easy picking for Aussie batsmen who play better off the back foot. The only reason you see spinners get wickets there is because the pacemen can't, the wicket does turn, but it's slow turn. I think England should seriously consider 2 spinners on that wicket, more so than in Sydney. While Australia has no good spin option quite frankly. Hauritz will do okay against England, but it looks like only the temperamental batsmen of Pakistan can make a bowler look more decent than he is.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 October 2010 at 3:24pm
I can't see them making a place in the batting line up for Hughes as it stands, as much as I think they should.

I think if they did want to give him a run in the side again they would have done it before the Ashes started to make sure he is up to it, especially as he was dropped after poor performances against England.

If Hussey/North still aren't performing 2 tests into the Ashes we may well see some changes.

I do think it will be a tight series though, hopefully even closer than '98-'99!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 October 2010 at 3:33pm
Originally posted by milkman

I don't agree. It's not a great track for bowling at all.
 
I did mention it's an excellent batting wicket but turn is noticeable for the last 2 days.  Any quality spinner will make use of that, nevermind if it's slow turn, just increase the pace of the delivery.  Hauritz and Benn doesn't fizz the ball as much as a Warne or Murali, which is why they both were pretty ineffective there.  Benn got a fifer yes but it took him 50 odd overs to do it.  Both sides should have been blown away much cheaper in the 2nd innings by the spinners, it was too good for spin.
 
Maybe that pitch was a one off for spinners, you would know better than I, seeing you watch the games there every year for some years now, compare to me who tune in now and again due to time difference etc.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 October 2010 at 10:19am
Originally posted by Max Power

I can't see them making a place in the batting line up for Hughes as it stands, as much as I think they should.

I think if they did want to give him a run in the side again they would have done it before the Ashes started to make sure he is up to it, especially as he was dropped after poor performances against England.

If Hussey/North still aren't performing 2 tests into the Ashes we may well see some changes.

I do think it will be a tight series though, hopefully even closer than '98-'99!


The key with that 98/99 series was the Brisbane was a wash out. Otherwise Australia would have been runaway favourites on that track. Otherwise, Australia looked a lot better that series. The one series England had a real shot in was the 6 test Ashes series in England in 1997, where they actually led after 2 tests.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 October 2010 at 8:55am
Just wanted to start talking about the upcoming ashes series. It appears that Australia have already started to prioritise with Bollinger not being risked for the second India test, and Watson, Ponting and Hussey all rested for the pointless one day series. Feel a bit cheated that there is only 2 tests in India, if the first one was anything to go by it would have been a cracker of a full 4 test series.
Anyway back to the point. I think Cook is the key to England's success. If he kicks on and Strauss remains prolific, then the whole England batting line up will fire. If England only manage 20-30 opening run partnerships then they will fail. But what does everyone think of Australias new ball attack? The pitches in Australia will be less of an issue than they are in India, to me Australia's fast bowling looked a little toothless, although Johnson actually bowled accurately for a change and had some success..
As far as bowling goes to me Swann is the best spin bowler in the world at the moment, and a pretty potent lower order batsman. He will be the difference as far as the bowling goes, as Finn, Anderson & Broad match Australia for seam up bowling. The old English bowlers problem with length in Australia will be a key issue too, but they have an Aussie bowling coach so maybe that will help. Well that is the end of my spiel I really have no idea what the outcome will be and that makes this upcomimg ashes the most exciting prospect since 2005. So I invite any thoughts?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 October 2010 at 10:19am
I moved your post into the current Ashes thread Hammond - plenty for you to digest already !
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 October 2010 at 2:14pm
If Bollinger is fit, he'll play in Bangalore, judging by Ponting's press conference as they're trying to see if he can bowl today. They wouldn't do that if he was resting.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 October 2010 at 4:57pm
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 October 2010 at 1:01am

haha, my exact thought Flipper.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 October 2010 at 6:59am
He probably meant dropping Cook is they key for their success. But on a serious note, I still do think, if the openers score big, England tend to post nice totals and they have a decent enough bowling attack to defend.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 October 2010 at 10:35am
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I don't think he has any problem playing off his pads and getting out leg before. If anything, it's the way he approaches straight short deliveries, in that he tries to cut them, rather than hook or duck. Thus he gets cramped and gets himself out. He's particularly strong down the ground and through the square boundaries on the off side and he can score fast. I reckon he would make a shedload of runs in the sub continent, and he did very well in SA which is conducive to pace and well in NZ which takes swing bowling well. Like I said, in England, he only batted 3 times and was out on a no ball after getting a solid 30 odd. So he should be given some  slack.


I haven't actually seen him domestically, so I don't know THAT much about his technique, however, the slip chances problem that you mentioned I'd already highlighted.
I'd vote for him going into the test side aswell, haven't actually seen him domestically, so I don't know THAT much about his technique, however, the slip chances problem that you mentioned I'd already highlighted.
I hope he gets another go in the test side soon, I've liked what I've seen and I'd like to see him succeed.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 October 2010 at 10:42am
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But what does everyone think of Australias new ball attack? The pitches in Australia will be less of an issue than they are in India, to me Australia's fast bowling looked a little toothless, although Johnson actually bowled accurately for a change and had some success..


Bollinger, Johnson and Hilfenhaus is more than a match for England, I think you'll find they have a full mouth of teeth.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 October 2010 at 4:00pm
The Aus attack is certainly not that of old, but I wouldn't go so far as toothless!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 October 2010 at 3:03am
It looks toothless in India at the moment, but that's because the wickets are crap. Even the Indian bowlers still gave up almost 500 runs in the first innings.
You have Johnson and Hilfenhaus bowling well, but George is still on debut and raw and Hauritz is crap. Once Harris , Bollinger and Siddle are back, then Australia will be very tricky at home, no walk in the park methinks.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 October 2010 at 4:51am
Originally posted by Max Power

The Aus attack is certainly not that of old, but I wouldn't go so far as toothless!
 
Yep, but few attacks compare to McGrath, Warne and co.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 October 2010 at 9:18am
Milky, I was discussing with a friend how well we think Graeme Swann will do down under. As has already been mentioned Australian pitches are not particularly conducive to spin, and it seems that most opposition spinners all average in the high 30's when playing against Australia in Australia.

How do you think he'll fare?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 October 2010 at 9:22am
I somewhat disagree with your friends assertion. Although, I must add that Warne's record outside Australia is slightly better than at home. While the wickets here don't turn square, although you can get a bit of turn, the bounce is key. I think someone like Swann who gets a lot of revolutions on the ball could do well in Australia if he can get the ball to get extra bounce. You see spinners get a fair few more bat pad wickets and slip catches, rather than bowled/LBW because of the bounce.
Murali hasn't done well in Australia and that's because he relies a lot on turn and variations with regard to the direction of the turn. Someone like Swann, who works more on minor variations like loop/flight and angles will fair better. I think he's a good shot to do well here, I don't think he will top the bowling charts though, it's always hard work for the spinners in Australia. Even the likes of Kaneria and Kumble, leg spin bowlers, who have done well in Australia still tend to average quite high. 

I don't think he'll do poorly at all, but I can't envisage him averaging in the 20s.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 October 2010 at 1:52pm
Yeah, it's true, the Aussies do tackle spinners very good in their backyard.  Swann may have to pull back his length a bit in the Gabba and not go to full and you can bowl slower there too.  Warne once said as long as you beat batsman in the air in Brisbane, they remain beaten, the ball comes of the deck pretty quickly so no time to adjust.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 October 2010 at 1:53pm
I think it will be a very close contest - hopefully like the 2005 one this time in terms of the results. But from the quality of the game's perspective, it will be nowhere near that of 2005. We don't have the players of caliber of Warne, McGrath, Gillespie, Martyn or Flintoff, Vaughan...
My money is on England winning this one by a close margin. May be 2-1 or if Swann has a dream series which he deserves, could be even 3-1. Australia's best chances are in Brisbane. Sydney and Adelaide - England favorites for sure, but Adelaide generally is crap (500+ pitch). Perth is no more a pitch it was once. So Australia lose some advantage there.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 October 2010 at 2:06pm
Yup I don't agree at all Kiran. Australia is definitely favoured in Brisbane, Adelaide and Perth. England's best chances are in Melbourne and Sydney. 3-1 is far-fetched mate.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 October 2010 at 2:11pm
3-1 only if Swann has a dream series Milky. Else it would be something like 2-1. I feel Eng has an advantage in Adelaide because you need quality spinners on such a flat track if at all any team is going to win. And it is England who is having a quality spinner. If Perth had a pitch of 80's and early 90's, I would have thought 2-2. But Perth has lost that pace and bounce.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 October 2010 at 2:46pm
I don't agree, not even India beat Australia in Adelaide in 2008 and Australia was using Brad Hogg I think.
Aussies are back foot players, they will use the short square boundaries to their advantage.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 October 2010 at 3:58pm
If Swann doesn't do well, England doesn't stand a chance in Adelaide.  That pitch is very good to bat on, as a bowling team, yo only advantage coming in the first morning and on day 4 and 5 if yo have good spinners.  If yo don't make advantage of those, the batsmen going hammer you around.  I'm even confident that I can make a ton on that pitch!  Remember Redmond having a good time out there as well, as he really was a poor player in my view.
 
Brisbane is Australia's hunting ground.  lately, the Aussies haven't really rolled over teams in Perth.  West Indies came close last year, India beat them in 2007, SA beat them the following year so....
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