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Topic: The Ashes Tour 2009 Posted: 20 May 2009 at 4:42pm |
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It's interesting that since being jettisoned, Hoggard has not exactly set County cricket alight. You could argue that his heart's probably not in it, but you would have thought, early last season at least, he would have been busting a gut to prove the selectors wrong, but he hasn't done so.
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Posted: 20 May 2009 at 5:04pm |
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Fair point. Given the way he was treated and completely ignored once he had been dropped, I would imagine he knew he was never going to be getting back, which can't do wonders for the motivation.
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Posted: 20 May 2009 at 6:32pm |
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Quite right JP. He was just back from injury and if you expect someone to be back at their very best right away, you need to be shot! Make it worse, if the bowler is one who relies on rhythm...
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Posted: 20 May 2009 at 9:32pm |
I was going to make a new thread about this, but since this one is here now I will just use it to talk about MEMORIES OF 2005. It's almost a cliche now to talk about the greatest series etc, but this one truly was up there. I've posted these photos before but what the heck. The first big day of the tour for me was June 11, when the Australian machine rolled into Grace Road Leicester for a one day warm up. Determined not to miss out I arrived at the ground a couple of hours before play to find it was already busy. And there, on the field were these players, THE players, the mighty Australia. The first ones I picked out were Lee and McGrath, and gazing across the field I hadn't noticed a player suddenly using the fence right in front of me to perform some stretching. I grabbed my camera. "Give us a smile Matt" I could tell right away that he desperately wanted to ignore me, taking just that little bit too long to acknowledge my presence, but his manners got the best of him - yes even Matthew Hayden has some, and he offered me the tightest lipped of smiles and a muttered "cheers mate" when I thanked him.  I strolled across to the other side of the ground in time for Ricky Ponting to stroll past offering a cheery "How ya going folks?", and watched with great interest the various different groups observing their practices. I couldn't help but laugh at the sight of Hayden, Ponting and Damien Martyn going through a drill whilst Shane Watson stood in the background looking like they'd told him he wasn't allowed to join in.  As the players went back to the dressing room a big crowd gathered and all the Australians - with the notable exceptions of Gilchrist and Lee - made a great effort to sign as many as possible. McGrath and Gillespie were especially hospitable and went out of their way to greet everyone.    Poor Michael Hussey didn't fare so well when having signed an autograph for an old bloke, the guy looked at the signature then asked loudly "Are you Matthew Elliott?". Hussey's mood and ego were quickly repaired when a slightly more knowledgeable punter reminded him of the 250+ he'd scored here for Durham a few weeks earlier. After the toss a big cheer went up with the news that Australia would bat - the last thing we all wanted was to see our lads rolled over for 75 and the Aussies knock them off in 10 overs. Sadly Gilchrist and Ponting both failed, but Hayden looked imposing making a century, whilst Martyn was a joy to watch, all off which set up a Symonds onlsaught as he made 92* off 59 balls, the last 60 or so coming in about 20 deliveries. As the innings went on it was nice to see that the 12th Man, Katich chose not to hide away in the dressing room, but stood out among the spectators, chatting away happily with anyone who wanted a word.  Come the Leics innings, Lee opened up with a seriously rapid spell and gave poor old Darren Maddy a real working over, whilst Gillespie - and this is really not with the benefit of hindsight - looked horrible. Only Paul Nixon and Otis Gibson offered any kind of resistance, but as the day wore on plenty of fun was still to be had as the banter went on between the crowd and the Aussies - Lee and McGrath were fielding closest to me and gave as good as they got, all in good spirit of course. A couple of other things that impressed me were even long after the game was dead as a contest, Hayden found himself fielding long off at both ends, and was sprinting into position between overs, while Michael Clarke made a point of going 20 yards beyond the rope between overs to sign autographs, forcing himself to also have to sprint across the field to get back into position.  Those Aussies did look awfully good, surely England had no chance against them?
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Posted: 21 May 2009 at 4:36am |
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Great pics Clobs!!!
And Aussies do look horribly good yet again - any chances England?
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Posted: 21 May 2009 at 4:58am |
Wow , that's amazing stuff Clobs!! One time I was at the MCG and I was in the front row and Michael Hussey was training in front of me and he was more than happy to say G'day. Seems like a hospitible bloke. Matthew Hayden is surprisingly friendly, but he seems like a very focused guy, so maybe he was just focusing on his training. Simon Katich surprises me, didn't think he was the type to go around having a chat to the crowd. Looks like some great memories. 2005 Ashes was the best ever series, but nonetheless it was heart breaking being an Aussie supporter at the time. Also lost be a few bucks to my English mates
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Posted: 21 May 2009 at 6:43am |
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Lovely stuff Clobs , I've always found Aussie sides approachable and
friendly. One evening they were at Forresters , a popular pub here in
CT. My pal Bill was there with his son , James (yep they're Scottish!)
and the youngster was mad keen to get the autograph of Warne. Bill sent
him over (the lad was 11) and Warne said he didn't do autographs!
Steve Waugh saw this and went to Bill's table , introduced himself and
then took the lad's autograph book. 10 minutes later he returned it
with ALL the Aussie squad's signatures , including Warne's !
Nice touch huh.
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Posted: 21 May 2009 at 6:48am |
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Sounds great.
I also have the autographs of the Australian team that visited Pakistan back in 194-95. I was doing the ball picker duty during that famous Karachi test and I remember I had god times with Tim May.
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Posted: 21 May 2009 at 6:50am |
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Tim May! What a character!? Our best offie for a long time, perhaps he taught you a couple of things Zuhair? Had a tendency to pull of some really decent spells.
That story of Stephen Waugh is awesome Sledger... but I just wonder why your mate is taking his young lad to the pub !!
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Posted: 21 May 2009 at 7:06am |
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It has a nice beer garden matey - no kids in the pub !
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Posted: 21 May 2009 at 7:14am |
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I was never a Tim May fan actually. Yes he was a master of tight bowling but he never amazed me. Saqlain was the guy who made me bowl off spin. But Tim May was a nice bloke, gentle and friendly.
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Posted: 21 May 2009 at 7:18am |
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May gave it a rip and in tandem with a young Warne, gave cricket a nice
boost after enduring 11 overs an hour of Windies bombardment.
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Posted: 21 May 2009 at 7:23am |
England have for a long time now been in a regular pattern. We can beat NZ and Windies, especially in May in England, but can't beat anyone else. I haven't seen anything to suggest this pattern will change. Wonder when the last time was we went into an Ashes series without a fast bowler who averages below 30?
Best I'm hoping for is a competitive series to be honest.
Regarding Tim May - the Ashes tour where he and Warne bowled together was a very interesting one and showed how spinners can bowl as a partnership. His presence definitely seemed to help a younger Warne. Seem to remember May talking about the huge callouses on his fingers which he said he used to gain traction on the ball
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Posted: 21 May 2009 at 7:27am |
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Yep , apparently he didn't get it to go until his spinning finger was really sore!
As for the upcoming series , I think England will be
competitive and Anderson will come of age - it'll be the making of the
lad.
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Posted: 21 May 2009 at 7:28am |
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Has to be Darren Gough, he averaged around 28 or 29 I guess.
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Posted: 21 May 2009 at 10:07am |
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I'm fairly sure that Harmison and Hoggard averaged under 30 just prior to the last Ashes. Flintoff and Jones would have been close.
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Posted: 21 May 2009 at 10:54am |
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History now points unerringly towards a home win in the Ashes – England have always won the urn after demolishing sub-standard opposition in a two-match early season series. Admittedly, this conclusion is based on the rather unscientific single previous example of 2005, but a fact is a fact. When you factor in that this West Indies team is better than the 2005 Bangladeshis, it becomes clear that England are all set to improve on their Ashes performance of four years ago, and win by at least 4-0.
They are, after all, unbeaten in six now, and coming off a run of three consecutive home Test wins. Australia, by contrast, are in disarray – they lost their most recent Test, have not won a series in England for eight years, have never won a Test in Cardiff, are bringing a squad with only one front-line bowler who has ever taken a Test wicket in England, have never won the Ashes with a player called Nathan in the squad, have not beaten the old enemy without a leg spinner for over 25 years, have never beaten England while there has been a black American president, have not won the urn when a Labour government in Britain has been within a year of being voted out of office, and traditionally struggle when a Queen has been on the throne for 57 years (England’s glorious win in 1894-95 will be preying on their minds day and night).
A further incontrovertible statistical truth is that England have never lost a home Test match finishing in May (10 wins, 4 draws), leading to the unarguable conclusion that the ECB should have crammed the entire five-Test Ashes series into this sacred month, to be followed by a 53-match one-day international series to bring the summer to a lucratively rousing climax.
Andy Zaltsman at his very best
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Posted: 21 May 2009 at 11:00am |
Originally posted by -JP-
I'm fairly sure that Harmison and Hoggard averaged under 30 just prior to the last Ashes. Flintoff and Jones would have been close.
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You are right about Harmison JP. But Hoggard and Jones averaged 31 and 32. Flintoff was averaging 35 then.
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Posted: 21 May 2009 at 12:51pm |
I feel, it would be an exiting contest this time. Difficult to say who are the favorites. But I think it depends on the nature of the wickets and the conditions. If the conditions are favorable for batting and spin, I would put my money on England. Seaming tracks would probably help Aussies more. In my opinion, England's batting (if the ball swings) and spin bowler looks better than Aussies, while Australian seamers look better than the English Seamers. Of course, if Flintoff is at his best with the ball, it would be advantage England even on seaming tracks.
Coming to the individual players, I expect Katich, Clarke, Hussey, Lee to do well for Australia and Strauss, Cook, Bopara, Flintoff, Broad and Swann to do well for England. I doubt whether Huges would have a good series if the ball swings.
All in all, would be an exiting series and looking forward to top quality cricket.
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Posted: 21 May 2009 at 5:01pm |
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If the conditions suit bowling, I'd definitely put my money on Australia. It's not like the Windies bowlers who can't swing the ball or know where to land it plus the Aussies can bat, except when it comes to finger spinners it seems.
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Posted: 21 May 2009 at 5:04pm |
Originally posted by Sledger
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Quite right Sledge. Some of my cricketing pals told me they bowled to the Aussies batsmen in the nets when they were here and they gave them advice and even let them have a go at the gatorades in their ice box. Local bowlers usually bowl (in the nets) to any touring team that come here so there are quite a few lucky local bowlers back here.
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Posted: 21 May 2009 at 7:04pm |
Another 2005 MEMORY for you all :) A few weeks after that last encounter, Leicestershire's reward for being abjectly dumped out of the one day cup was a 3 day fixture against the Australians as a warm-up for the forthcoming 1st Test at Lords. Having been at work on Day 1, I rolled up for the evening session. Strolling across the car park I all but walked into a stocky blonde fellow trying to get away from a crowd of pursuers. "Aww look, I have to go somewhere, I'll be back in a bit" he said somewhat exasperated. "But Warnie, you're my hero" whined a teenage boy. The blonde mans shoulders slumped as he realised there was no way out of this without looking bad and he was quickly surrounded. Leics had already been bowled out, and the Aussies were just starting their innings. Hayden's form was already showing creaks during the one dayers against England, and of course would only get worse during the Tests that followed, but here he played absolutely beautifully until he passed 50, at which point he started trying to smash everything and perished sooner after. For Australia the prime aim for the match was to get time in the middle for Justin Langer who had just joined the squad, and Michael Clarke who hadn't done much in the ODI's. The latter looked in horrible nick though, and it just wasn't to be - these 2 photos were taken only a few minutes apart;   Langer went through to the close untroubled though, and would have been pleased with his start, though you would never have thought so are he strode off, looking like he was about to hit me  The next morning I arrived bright and breezy, bringing my sons along so they could say they had seen the great Australians in the flesh. Immediately it was apparent that the mood around the squad was nothing like as outgoing as their previous visit. Their warmups were conducted out of sight in the private practice area and there was a marked reluctance to sign any autographs at this stage of the day, though Ponting clearly understood his ambassadorial role sufficiently to do the bare minimum - and I do mean bare minimum; one of my boys was a bit slow to offer up his autograph book and was duly ignored by Ponting. I got chatting to an old guy next to me who revealed he was a Warwickshire member up for the day. He had a list of Leics players he wanted autographs from - basically any that had played international cricket, and he asked me to point out those players to him, which I did, and also insisting that he get the signature of an 18 year old bowler who had only played a couple of games at that stage, as I was convinced he would be playing for England before too many years had passed. His name was Stuart Broad, and even back then was a very impressive young man to chat to. Aftab Habib fared less well when the Warks member told him to have a good innings that day. He looked at me incredulously, muttered something about not batting today then shuffled off. I didn't have the heart to tell the old boy that Aftab wasn't even in the team! The cricket passed serenely as Langer, Ponting and Martyn all made centuries, all very effortlessly, and they were ruthlessly professional as they went about it. Leics had a young Australian on trial for this match, but with figures of 25-0-136-0, it's fair to say that Jason Krejza looked anything but a Test prospect at that stage of his career. Hayden had brusquely brushed off the Warks member when asked for an autograph before play, but on his way back from a net he showed a different side to his character by sitting on the outfield and signing everything for a large group that gathered, whilst insisting they all kept down so as not to obstruct the view of the people behind and pointing queue jumpers towards the back of the line. I got him to sign the photo I had taken of him the previous time and was surprised how humble he came across this time. (Contrastingly, Katich had earlier just given me a dirty look and turned away when I proferred my photo of him for signing!). Leics kept chipping away through the day, a big highlight being Broad showing that though inexperience he was already a thinking bowler by going round the wicket and promptly cleaning up Adam Gilchrist, Freddie Flintoff style. Taking a stroll around the ground mid-afternoon - possibly to get away from ex-Chancellor Kenneth Clarke, who had plonked himself down next to me for a while - I once again managed to practically bump into Shane Warne, this time emerging from a practice session, which had clearly worked him hard judging from the sweat pouring from his head. He declined to stop for a couple of people approaching him as I carried on around the boundary. As I got back to my seat I noticed he had taken station in front of the pavilion, where a very English queue had formed. I grabbed my lads and told them this was the one they wanted to get above all others and the great man also indulged me with a photo.  With hindsight I should really had got someone else to take it and got myself in the photo too, but never mind. He seemed happy enough to have joined the squad, as did Stuart MacGill who looked quietly amused at my then 5 year old thrusting an autograph book in his direction. Less approachable were Tait and Haddin, both of whom came across as insufferably arrogant. The saddest sight of the day though was Jason Gillespie. Having been the friendliest of the lot the last time, this time he spent the entire day sitting alone on the balcony looking extremely unhappy with life and ignoring all greetings from below. His tour, of course, was only going to get worse. I missed the final day due to playing myself, but the match petered out into a draw, on the back of a very brisk double hundred from Leics' short term signing, Chris Rogers, who no doubt enjoyed showing what he could do.
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Posted: 21 May 2009 at 7:34pm |
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Good stuff Clobber. I suggest JP add you to his team and let you have a dig at this professionally.
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Posted: 21 May 2009 at 7:40pm |
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I'm very cheap too!
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Posted: 21 May 2009 at 11:23pm |
JP's excuse will be the recession is really having a hit on them.
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Posted: 22 May 2009 at 2:45am |
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That's plain fantastic. I guess some of the Aussie players, and at times all of them are very arrogant. But like all of us, they have mood swings or are trying to focus and are less approachable. Certainly some blokes are always humble, guys like Lee and Gilchrist are among the most laid back guys in Aussie cricket, that's for sure.
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Posted: 22 May 2009 at 4:52am |
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Dean Jones was brilliant mate.
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Posted: 22 May 2009 at 5:31am |
Where, in the commentary box?
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Posted: 22 May 2009 at 5:37am |
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Yes, for most of the Asians, he is brilliant in the box as well. But he was a humble guy on field as well.
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Posted: 22 May 2009 at 5:52am |
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I enjoyed his commentary too, always kept me listening to the tele! Is it he who used the quote "going, going, GONE! Geez, that's a big hit!"
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