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NZ_Fast
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Topic: THE CRICKET CLINIC!!!Posted: 30 April 2008 at 1:03pm |
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Ah, now this is something i am familar with. What worked for me (on my coaches advice) was to put a brick (anything heavy will do though) behind my backfoot. Since it was my backfoot that moved away first, the brick stopped it doing so and i didn't step away anymore, or at least not as much when facing the truely quick bowlers.
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Posted: 29 April 2008 at 6:20pm |
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I step away from fast balls. any tips? :)
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NZ_Fast
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Posted: 21 April 2008 at 1:08pm |
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I cock my wrist and flex (flick) it to gain pace. Not only does it (in theory) give me more pace, it also gives me the option of leaving my wrist cocked to produce a slower ball. I found if i brought my wrist through too far it dragged short, i think you have to only flex it about half, not fully.
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hornerbfc
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Posted: 20 April 2008 at 7:29pm |
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Hi , i have been going over my bowling action and trying to tweak and needed some help with my wrist action.... When i run into the crease i usualyy have my wrist cocked back so i can flick when i realease the bowl this usualyy gives me a bit of extra pace but i tend to drag it down a lot more i was just wondering what everybody lese prefers.. cocking the wrist of just letting the ball roll out of the fingers ?
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inswinger
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Posted: 06 April 2008 at 7:02pm |
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if you are more acurate with fast bowling and you get wickets then go for it, or vice versa.
in reply to punches last comment.
you cannot generate pace from only your shouler. you have to use your body to make your bowling arm come over faster, afterall, the faster the arm comes over the faster the ball comes out.
so its all about driving your ches forward, pulling your front arm down hard with your front foot, bracing your front leg with a snap of the hips. these are probably the main factors in your action that will help you generate more pace.
obviously you must maintain a smooth run up that you are happy with and make sure oyur action is smooth and comfortable
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Shane Warnabee
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Posted: 06 April 2008 at 12:46pm |
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hi i am a legspinner but of late i'm not able to spin and bowl accurate on my day i get a lot of spin and get a lot of wickets but that rarely happens i can seem to know what my problem is.
Anyway.... i've recently been bowling pace and i've found that i manage to get a lot of bounce and decent pace i'm almost 16(my birthday is in a few days) but i'm short only about 5"7 and also skinny. Would pace or spin be trhe better option? thanks
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Punch
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Posted: 16 March 2008 at 1:46am |
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Almost everybody has one leg shorter than the other. That's natural, though the difference might vary.
Use your shoulder to generate more pace, and work on your grip - dont rest your two fingers rest entirely on the ball. Hold it by the tip, enough to give you a comfortable grip, and keep your wrist firm when you release the ball. This will add a yard or two of pace. But remember the shoulder. |
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hornerbfc
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Posted: 13 March 2008 at 7:07pm |
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I am right arm fast bowler, but i feel i can be faster, i have seena lot of people say that braceing your left leg as u bowl generates most of the pace, but i have 1 leg shorter than the other buy about an inch and a half, does anyone think this slows me down ?
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Punch
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Posted: 07 March 2008 at 2:30pm |
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You are welcome.
In that case, reduce your bottom hand grip. One way to do that, is to, use a pincer grip - only the fingertips of the bottom hand, 'hold' the handle. Practice with it. Invest in a good bat, and if possible, with an oval handle - it helps you play straighter. But learn to defend first - all the good technique and bats, and attacking play, will amount to nothing, if you gift your wicket away. Nothing frustrates the opposition more, than a batsman with a tight defense and one who rotates the strikes. Stay at the wicket, and the runs will come. Good luck. |
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Shane Warnabee
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Posted: 07 March 2008 at 6:58am |
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thanks for the advise punch , i too get the most joy when playing a perfectlt timed stroke on the ground. I love playing on the ground and hate it when i play it up.
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Punch
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Posted: 06 March 2008 at 8:17pm |
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Yup, thanks for confirming what I had thought, about your grip.
What shots should you play? - Well, straight and top handed is a good start. If you are just beginning and you get into this habit now, you will be quite good later. But of course, you should always use, what is good for you. Tendulkar for all his brilliance in technicality, uses his bottom hand a lot. And it also depends on what brings you most joy - a perfectly timed stroke, or a ball bludgeoned over the ropes for a boundry. For me, it's the former. But learn to defend. Both off the front foot and off the back foot. Once your defense gets solid, you can convert those same defensive strokes into attacking drives, when you get confident. As for dropping sitters, while you take tough ones - well, I think, you are getting excited, when the ball is in the air and coming slowly towards you. You need to learn to relax, and watch nothing but the ball. Ask a friend to throw a few towards you, and practice just focusing on the ball, and nothing else. You'll get it. They are called sitters for a reason. And learn to pull the ball when you catch it. Edited by Punch - 06 March 2008 at 8:27pm |
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Shane Warnabee
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Posted: 05 March 2008 at 3:57pm |
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k thanks mate i thought by holding the grip higher up i would be able to play more on the ground but i tried this today and it didn't work. Another thing that i am worried about is my catching, its been horrible lately i seem to be dropping everything, especially sitters. This may seem odd but i prefer hard cathes than easier ones as i always seem to drop very easy catches.
What could be the reason for this ? Am i just not watching the ball enough? At the moment i'm dropping catches that even my grandma would catch with her eyes closed.
Also as a beginner batsmen what shots should i play? Straight and top handed?
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Punch
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Posted: 05 March 2008 at 1:43pm |
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Shane, do what works for you. If that grip works, so be it.
But in technicalities sense, I'm not sure if it's too different from the other bottom hand grip. 'Coz, you are still using your bottom hand to control your shots. The difference is, your bottom hand is on a higher level. Personally, I change the grip according to the match situation. If I'm opening, I use the top hand to control my shots. If i'm somewhere in the middle order, and need to score some quick runs, I use the regular bottom hand grip, as it works for me. So, dont worry too much about technicalities. It's no point being technically proficient, if you cant score runs. Just compare Sanjay Manjrekar, and maybe MS Dhoni, and you'll get the point. |
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Posted: 05 March 2008 at 6:27am |
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Fair enough if you dont give space between your hands!!
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Shane Warnabee
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Posted: 05 March 2008 at 5:51am |
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tell me if this is a good grip. I play with my bottom hand but i grip the bat
high up this way the ball won't go much in the air
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Punch
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Posted: 04 March 2008 at 7:51pm |
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Cut down on your pace/run up. Practice till you get it right, and then gradually increase your pace/run up.
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inswinger
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Posted: 04 March 2008 at 7:43pm |
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i need some help with fast bowling consistency and accuracy
today i was just bowling all over the place
any good practise tips would be useful other than "make sure your action is the same every time you bowl" cos im already workin on that
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Punch
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Posted: 18 February 2008 at 2:51pm |
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That stance definitely helps, if you are not able to pick the quicker bowlers.
But in the same vein, remember that, this stance, will make you susceptible to balls outside the off stump - because, your leading leg, has to travel that much further and across, to get in line, to play the balls outside the off stump. That's where I would attack, as a captain, and as a bowler, if I see a batsman with that stance. If that's working for you, great, then dont change anything. But observe - if you are having difficulty playing balls outside the offstump, or are edging too much, and worse, getting out to caught in the slips, then, for the same stance, use a back and across trigger movement. That should help. Use it only if you need to. And, disregard everything here, if something feels good and works for you. That's always the bottom line. |
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Posted: 16 February 2008 at 4:14am |
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The ball swinging back in will do damage if those legs get across too much.
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Posted: 16 February 2008 at 12:58am |
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it depends, it can make you play more on the legside than is prehaps required. but if it works for you then thats fine |
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Posted: 15 February 2008 at 7:28pm |
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im considering adopting a open stance to help me see the bal more clearly and i tried it in the nets and it worked out alright, do yous think its a good idea?
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Punch
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Posted: 15 February 2008 at 3:35am |
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And I would also suggest a middle stump guard.
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Posted: 14 February 2008 at 9:33pm |
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WOW! thanks for the replies guys ! Seems like some really good tips will definitely take all the advice i can get! Thanks!
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spin wizard
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Posted: 14 February 2008 at 5:36pm |
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Open you stance a bit more leg sidish.
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Posted: 14 February 2008 at 5:05am |
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Any tips on facing fast left arm bowlers when your a right hand batter?
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Posted: 14 February 2008 at 2:52am |
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Wizard, thanks, but your approach may work, if the bowler is of express pace by default.
Even then, it's still difficult, to get accuracy. My mantra for my fast bowlers is accuracy first, pace later. Except for those express quick ones, whom, I give a leeway in the match. Because, after all, we are weekend warriors, and I cant expect my pace bowlers to bowl at that pace with Brett Lee's accuracy. Slogfest, this I think would be the best way to rediscover your form: Cut down your run up by half, or less than half. Try to get your line and length right, but, use your shoulder to generate your pace. (When you make a conscious effort to use your shoulder, you'll be amazed at how quick the ball can be). Once you get a decent line and length, and you are comfortable with a particular run up, increase your run up by 2 or 3 steps. And so on. And you dont need pace to trouble batsmen - line, length, and swing will do. Just remember Akram in his later years. He was military medium at best, but he could trouble the best batsmen, with just his accuracy. (And Akram, used to genrate his pace with his shoulder, even when his run up was only 6 steps!) p.s - And it wont hurt to strengthen up your shoulders in the gym. Edited by Punch - 14 February 2008 at 3:20am |
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spin wizard
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Posted: 13 February 2008 at 10:23pm |
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Nice stuff Punch but one thing I disagree on is about getting length first. If you do that then look for pace, you'll still have to work a lot more. Bowl at high pace and look for accuracy - it's easier this way. Accuracy comes after a long while so while you are inexperience, pace will be your key asset or if you can swing it or seam it at will, high pace really isn't required.
Slogfest, a quick arm action increases your pace too!
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Posted: 13 February 2008 at 7:57pm |
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As NZ said, it's possible that you have lost your ability to bowl fast. But it's worth a few things to try out.
First, work on getting your length right. Forget the pace for now. You could very well be a Brett Lee, but if cant get your length right, even half-assed club players will whack you around. About your bowling short - my guess is, it's due to two reasons. 1. You are gripping the ball too tightly. Hold the ball, as close to the edge of your fingers as possible, but still giving you a firm grip. Dont plant your forefinger and middle finger on the ball. Basically, only the first two segments (out of 3) on those fingers, should be touching the ball. But with this grip, it's imperative that you keep your wrist firm, at the point of delivery. 2. The other reason, could be, that you are not releasing the ball at the highest point of your action, but after you have past the highest point of your action. As far as your pace is concerned, I'm guessing, you have an action, where, your arm is very close to your ear. Get your arm, at the point of delivery, to go around a bit, at an angle - a la Akram. This will add a yard or two of pace. You can even try it at home. Just roll your arm over, near your ears, and one action around your shoulder, ie, a bit away from your ear. You will notice that your arm goes faster in the second method. If you follow the above method, obviously, your line is going to get screwed up. But you can work on it and make adjustments. But whatever you do, get your length right first. Edited by Punch - 13 February 2008 at 8:02pm |
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Posted: 13 February 2008 at 8:03am |
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Its either one of 2 things in all likelyhood. a) you just lack the ability to bowl fast now...lost flexability, built up slow twitch muscles etc. b) your action is so biomechanicly stuffed up now after such a break that all your momentum is lost. I'd recommend getting someone to video you bowl an over just in the nets from front on, side on and from behind....ok so that would take 3 overs but you can pick up things your doing wrong.
edit: i forgot to say though, do keep practising, after such a break it is now surprising you aren't exactly a Wasim Akram straight out of the blocks. Edited by NZ_Fast - 13 February 2008 at 8:05am |
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Posted: 12 February 2008 at 8:06pm |
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Thanks for the reply mate!
![]() As they say practice makes perfect....but bowling short has been a problem for me in the past..and i keep on doing it..i just cannot get yorker lenght no matter what i do. what about the pace?..i just do not understand how i can bowl so slow ![]() |
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