The Next Test Nation

Originally posted by the full monty ITALY will never happen...

I never thought they'd be a power at rugby , but look at them now!

   Who knows mate - World Cup Final 2023 result....

Italy 378-7   Australia 65 all out !!

(that warmed the cockles of my heart!)

Edited by Sledger

Well guys, if it was on performance to get the next test status it would be kenya cause they performances are much better than all the rest stated. But as sledger pointed out, they have all kind of problems so other than them, I see it being between Ireland, Scotland and Canada.

As for China, I know they are agile and so on but they simply ain't have the body of a fast bowler. You need some flesh for that but for the batting, I don't think any of them will ever be hit by a bouncer in their life! They are real damn flexible !!

For the fielding, they can be the next side full of Rhodes !! How knows, maybe the next side full of broken bones too.

Originally posted by sledger I never thought they'd be a power at rugby , but look at them now!    Who knows mate - World Cup Final 2023 result.... Italy 378-7   Australia 65 all out !! (that warmed the cockles of my heart!)

Cricket ain't like any other sport mate !! Small sides takes ages before they can be a force to reckon with. Not like in the premership where wes brom and so on does scare the hell out of man utd.

Originally posted by MiNiWaRnEy Originally posted by abubakar52 This is a great thread   Thanks mate. I do my best to make them interesting.       My problem with Canada is the number of people in the team who are not ethnic (in other words, actually Canadian). The team is filled with immigrant Sub Continental and Caribbean blokes (some are 2nd generation Canadian). That is the difference between Canada and say Holland, Ireland, Scotland and Kenya in particular - who have mainly (not all) home grown players. You see the nation needs support, financially and from the people. Canada does not have that support,, and nor do they have the facilities.   I think Ireland is a darkhorse, their women have played 1 test match (they have the status) so maybe the men can do it - but both Ireland and Scotland missed qualification in '03 for the WC and Netherlands only got back in in '03. Kenya have played in the last 3 WC and have played over 70 ODIs - they have home grown players and some facilities.. once the internal and monetary issues are resolved they will get through.   MiK

I see what you mean, but that is why they are giving it 8-10 years I have beenin the winter training camps and the under 15 and under 19 selections they are training a lot of Canadian born.( Ethnic ) players. But truly and dearly all of Canadian cricket is popular and amazing because of the one man Jhon Davison and other players are emerging. There is a player from New Zealand canadian born Geoff Barnett I saw him play against Kenya and he was very impressive. By the way Davison got Tikolo out in that match

And I agree with you Rifat.

Edited by abubakar52

The ICC are penetrating through the gorwing Chinese market, and are attempting to generate interest from the public. They say the problem there is that because of regulations (particularly in the Cities) where each family only has 1 child, the kids are not used to be cooperative and working teams (and are usually more independent).

Originally posted by spin wizard Not like in the premership where wes brom and so on does scare the hell out of man utd.

Not anymore mate , they were relegated last season!

Well, in my opinion I believe that Kenya were unfortunate not to gain test-playing status after their excellent performance at the 2003 World Cup, by becoming the first non-test playing nation ever to progress beyond the group stages of the tournament (let's not forget that they were ahead of the likes of South Africa and the West Indies to reack that stage), that was good (considering they'd beaten Sri Lanka, New Zealand, albeit by default, and Bangladesh to make it that far).

However, having got through that first stage, the group stage, nobody would have expected them to progress to the semi-finals, they lost bravely to Australia and India (argubly the best 2 sides in the world at that time, and the two sides that eventually reached the World Cup final), but against all the odds they beat Zimbabwe and edged out New Zealand for a place in the semi-finals, where unfortunately they were beaten by a better Indian side on that day, but I believe having shown that team spirit and performance with a weaker side compared to a lot of the others in the tournament, they should have been awarded test-playing status.

But, however, with their current performance and with their problems I cannot really see them being awarded test-playing status for a while, but with the World Cup in the winter, if they perform well there they could be given that lifeline, however with a group comprising of New Zealand, England and Canada in the World Cup, they probably won't progress past their group, however they should realistically finish 3rd, and if they perform to their best abilities and give England or New Zealand a real run for their money in the West Indies, you never know what could happen next.

So, for the next test-playing nation, I'm going to give it to the nation with official ODI status the Kenyans.

The following is squad as selected by the National Selectors for Canada. The squad is for the upcoming South Africa tour, with ODIs against Holland and Bermuda, as well as the Intercontinental Cup match versus Holland.


    
1CODRINGTON
George
ON

2ALI
Qaiser – V. Capt.
PQ

3CHUMNEY
Desmond
ON

4JYOTI
Sandeep
ON

5DHANIRAM
Sunil
ON

6MAXWELL
Don
ON

7SAMAD
Abdool
ON

8BAGAI
Ashish
ON

9MULLA
Asif
ON

10SANDHER
Kevin
BC

11BHATTI
Umar
ON

12OSINDE
Henry
ON

13THURAISINGHAM
Sanjay
ON

That's a great Idea but they are already persuing that. For example the Icc Intercontinental cup thats a good start but I see what you mean and I agree with you. Though the games would still be classed first-class. It would giva a lot of room for cricket to grow and improvement from the non-test playing nations.

Very well written.


The game is improving in China. Just got $400,000 for the Asian Cricket Council and the ICC.

China has some 7 foot basketball players CM - no reason whatsoever that they can't have some seriously slippery bowlers!

As for a 2nd tier in world cricket , they do have to some degree , but it isn't structured so well. The ICC haven't done much to change that , probably because they'd have to throw serious money at it. All the smaller nations have little in the coffers and the matches generate little from the gate or sponsors.

Cricket had been static for many years before SL and Bangladesh became the latest additions to the test roster - I don't think pushing sides blatently short of international class is beneficial to the country or the game itself. I'm already fed up with records being smashed by top sides against the minnows - it embarrasses the little side and takes credibility from the sport.

The ICC are a shambolic mob and are pushing this issue too hard. Kenya have the most votes in this poll and their best side wouldn't beat the poorest county side one game in twenty! They do need to play more 4 day cricket , but who's going to pay for it - if you were a company chairman , would you sanction a million dollars to have your logo emblazoned on Kenya/Canada cricket shirts?

Better to give the money to a worthy charity , in my opinion.

Good sport is played between sides with skills of comparable ability. Cricket rarely has upsets like seen in football so isn't suited to mismatches. The ICC know that after the last ICC Trophy in England and rightly left them out of this year's competition.

I have to say I can't see another test playing nation making the grade in the next 10 years , probably closer to twenty. More likely is the shrinking of the test playing nations by the disappearance of Zimbabwe.

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That's true , but the ICC seem loathe to carry the can . They're sending out a "we want to globalise cricket" without serious financial commitment .

But to contradict myself , they see nothing wrong in pushing wads of cash into a fledgling cricketing nation like China , but giving nothing to the lesser established countries.

Methinks the ICC can't see past a potentially huge monetary gain by bringing in the largest growing economy in the world - irrespective of how interested the people of that country actually thinks about the game.

Money mustn't be the driving factor in propagating the game , the kids must WANT to play!

So much for idealism , realism states clearly that filthy lucre will always win out.

Sad that , isn't it?

Good idea , but would the 1st class sides around the world welcome extra fixtures? What'd probably happen is they'd get to play against the 2nd/3rd XI of the home side.

I'm getting depressed , there's a lot of guff coming from the ICC , but little support for the likes of Kenya, Canada , Namibia and Holland.

I hate politics!!

I think test cricket is good enough at the moment with the 8 great sides. In cricket, it takes years for a new side to be atleast good to win 2 games in a series. That period can take ages and ages too! I heard that the kiwis took 20 odd years to win their first test match!

I want Zim out of test cricket now cause it is only depriving the game of some good matches and also boards of their money!!!

Silly thread really bangladesh have struggled so far in tests, and many teams have had their records and averages lifted playng against the likes of bangla and zimb, we diffinatly dont need any of those mentioned getting test status. They can have a firstclass competition between such teams and only when they are ready they may be granted test status.