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    Posted: 11 December 2007 at 9:55pm
I'm just being flippant mate, not to worry- I like Hadlee's the greatest ever ;)
Good one Graham!
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What??? Is that Bondy?? Are you still having a hangover mate?
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No.
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Bondy, you still haven't answered his question about Hadlee.
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he sure is, big weekend now that exams are over. In terms of batsman, yes Crowe is the only great, Glen Turner, Martin Donnelly, ummm Astle and of course Fleming can not be considered 'great', though Cairns was a world class all-rounder in his prime.
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Bondy is having a hangover mate.
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so you don't consider Hadlee a great huh. 
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certainly, except if we're looking at it on a global stage Martin Crowe is the only NZ'er that can be considered 'great' in my opinion.
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Looking only at NZ cricketers, he is. 
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one of the finest NZ has produced, but I wouldn't call him 'great'.
Good one Graham!
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True, true, mind you if you look at his good scores, and his captaincy and fielding, that is a great player.
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Originally posted by spin wizard

people with 40- averages don't perform as you would like them to in test cricket.
 
best statement I've seen on cricketworld for a while.
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Vettorino2, that is what separates good players from great.
 
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You think that's infuriating, have a look at Chris Gayle - he's no different! It's simple really, people with 40- averages don't perform as you would like them to in test cricket.
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Many kiwi's have a love/hate relationship with Fleming, It's so infuriating when we really need a good opening, and he gets out for 3 or something stupid. He will score nothing for 3 or 4 games, then get a brilliant ton!
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Definitely, Astle would be also.
Good one Graham!
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Fleming is definitely not the greatest ever NZ batsman.  Martin Crowe and Glenn Turner would be higher on the list for me. 
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I would have to disagree, Martin Crowe for me, miles ahead of Fleming.
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he is great the greatest batsman ever produced by NZ
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 No doubt Fleming is a good leader but I don't I'd use the word "great" for his batting. He is a good batsman, one of New Zealand's finest cricketers, but not great.
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fleming is a great batsman and a good leader
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Stephen fleming also has a 189 against pakistan if i recall rightly great innings and a great partnership with vettori who also made a hundred
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You know how some people say a kiwi who averages about 39 like Stephen Fleming is about 45 if you where playing for like australia which i agree,but if thats so then Jacob Oram who averages 48 in test cricket would mean 54 for another country.
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well worth upping the thread for that 
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i think it would be better if its said tha he is a good slipper
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Classy batsman, Brilliant fielder.
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-JP- has said what I have also said too, his conversion rate is wayyy  too low..

A good innings by Franklin too.

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he made a 274not out and this 262 whatwas the other score of 200+ made by him .ya exactly jp just 9 100's in 101 test is a bit too low for a player of his calibre but as the commentators say an avg of 38+ for a newzealander is an avg of 45+ in any other country .
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He is NZ's leading batsmen and when people say new zealand only have 2 and a half batsmen Fleming equals a whole one and then the rest bat around him when fleming succeeds NZ succeeds thats why they lost the first test because Fleming failed.
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Good batsman, but his conversion rate, i.e the amount of hundreds he gets compared to fifties holds him back when we consider him among the real greats of our era - Ponting, Dravid, Kallis, Tendulkar etc.

That said, his conversion rate of hundreds to doubles is very impressive.
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