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Topic: Bowlers height?Posted: 18 February 2007 at 9:54pm |
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Height can be a factor in those things but what makes you great is the natural talent that you have. Tendulkar's insticts are probably quicker than others and that's why it looks as if he has the world of time to hit a ball. Height doesn't really make you a better pacer but it gives you the advantage of bounce. Marshall was small but combines speed and swing. Kumble is tall and uses his high realease to generate steepling bounce. If you use what you've got, then you will become great!
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Posted: 18 February 2007 at 9:41pm |
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well...KP is different isn't he...
What RHB is saying is right in that smaller batsmen have less trouble deeling with line/length but taller batsmen do tend to be able to put more power in to their shots off the front foot (height increasing velocity of bat=ball goes further). Taller batsmen also have the adv of a longer reach. Mind, it can also be a disadvantage... |
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Posted: 17 February 2007 at 11:32pm |
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kevin pietersen looks like he has all the time in world to play his shots, who else whips balls a foot outside off and hits them square on the on side?
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Posted: 17 February 2007 at 11:10pm |
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Usually those players who have brilliant technique and aren't really tall, like the ones I mentioned, those are the players who are in position earlier than anyone else and they have time to play their shots, thats what seperates good batsman from the great batsman.
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Posted: 17 February 2007 at 11:08pm |
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kevin pietersen is a tall, so is andrew flintoff, so is alistair cook, so is graeme smith, kallis, gilchrist, symonds, white, hayden. small or tall doesnt really matter when your a batsman or a bowler really.
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Posted: 17 February 2007 at 11:05pm |
Look at Sachin Tendulkar, or Don Bradman, or Lara, or Ponting, or Gavaskar. They're not even 1.8m, so I don't believe what I've said is rubbish. A batsman and bowler have different biomechanics, or whatever the word is. You'd prefer a bowler to be taller, and have longer arms than a batsman. The Little Master Sachin is only 1.68m and he's always in position earlier than any other batsman, it's because of his short levers, and those short movements which he can use to his advantage to get into position quicker, therfore having more time when batting. |
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Posted: 17 February 2007 at 11:01pm |
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well a good length ball is the same to anyone, so they try and cut it and they have a huge chance of knicking it.
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Posted: 17 February 2007 at 10:50pm |
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yeh but small batsmen are nightmares to bowl to because they can pul or cut anything thts even slightly off the floor
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Posted: 17 February 2007 at 10:41pm |
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good point CCC but i think that if you are tall then you can still be a succesful spinner, like anil kumble, but you will never get the same flight so must rely on bounce. RightHandBat i think what you have said is rubbish. not many people are quality batsman, but even less are very quick bowlers, so if you can bowl quick, bowl! because you have a very rare talent. small batsman do not have gd levers. tall batsman have good levers, their longer arms allow them to create a larger arc when swinging the bat and hit the ball further.
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Posted: 17 February 2007 at 6:35pm |
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it's better to be small as a spin bowler because there will be more you can do with flight etc...
As a pacer, it's definite advantage to be tall (6ft+). Not only do you get more bounce and things like that but you can also scare the batsman silly. |
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Posted: 16 February 2007 at 11:07pm |
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If you're short, you should become a batsman and make good use of your 'levers' to get into position quickly when facing the bowler. You'd want a bowler to have longer arms than a batsman.
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Posted: 15 February 2007 at 9:47pm |
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Posted: 15 February 2007 at 1:10pm |
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Of course, the general conclusion I have come to however is that if
your short, in that case really short, you have to rely on good
technique and a slingy action.
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Posted: 15 February 2007 at 10:39am |
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is it possible to be really fast at a height of 5.1?
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Posted: 14 February 2007 at 11:56pm |
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shane bond is 6ft+, Kerm u may think u bowl quick but then u see a pro quick bowl, then u kno wot quick is. being tall as a qucik bowler has lots of advantages, u get more carry, u get more movement off the seam, ur yorkers are harder to play because the length is harder to read. but there have been many good short fast bowlers. darren gough is only 5.10 and so was malcolm marshall. if u are short you tend to skid the ball so pitch the ball up and swing it. smaller fast bowlers tend to have to be quicker to be succesful to try and rush batsman. im not tall but when i run in and try and hit the pitch hard i get very good carry and only bowl at 70mph.
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Posted: 17 September 2006 at 8:31pm |
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I have just started putting alot of time and effort into some fast bowling. No idea what speed i'm bowling at but its not slow. Hoping to build on that and add in all the variations to prove that someone slightly less then 6ft is capable of it in England/Australia. Just out of interest how tall is Shane Bond, he is far from slow.
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Posted: 17 September 2006 at 8:24pm |
The bit about McGrath being the perfect height: That si ridiculous. That's like saying you should have Shane Warne's hair because he is the best in the world. No matter what height you are, you could take 500 test wickets if you are good enough. After all, I doubt if anyone will ever have Muralis action even though he's fantastic. |
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Posted: 17 September 2006 at 6:25pm |
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They can often get more reverse swing because the ball dteriorates faster because they hit the deck harder.
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Posted: 16 September 2006 at 7:53pm |
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Tall fast bowlers can get wicked lateal movement of the seam because they bang it on the deck. E.g Freddie - his iinswingers are big ! |
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Posted: 15 September 2006 at 11:11pm |
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No i just think that's his style.
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Posted: 15 September 2006 at 7:30pm |
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Anil Kumble bolws faster than normal spin bowlers, maybe thats necessary because of his height, we should ask him!
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Posted: 15 September 2006 at 1:53pm |
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I have a few theories on how being a little short could help with pace bowling but i'll leave them in my head untill I try some.
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Posted: 15 September 2006 at 12:56pm |
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It is not just the bounce, with a fast bowler when they are bowling full, the ball stays higehr in the air and can gain more movement in the air. Being tall also means you do not have to be as fast because you get the bounce, therefore being tall you do not need to use as much as strength and strain yourself.
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Posted: 15 September 2006 at 6:39am |
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Being tall can also intimidate batsman more than a bowler that is shorter
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Posted: 15 September 2006 at 2:04am |
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Yes being a tall spinner can have some advantages, but mostly disadvantages. Being a tall spinner may get you bounce, but it will make it hard for it to dip low, instead it will bouncer normally if you know what I mean. It is easier to read a tall spinner as the ball takes longer for it to pitch on the ground, and the batmen has time to read the variation of the ball before it pitches on tio the ground. (exception for ANil kumble bcuz hes still great even though he is tall) |
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Posted: 14 September 2006 at 11:36pm |
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Being a tall spinner can have some advantages, if people try and sweep you they have problems as the ball bounces a little more then usual and gets top edges.
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Posted: 14 September 2006 at 11:14pm |
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I remember seeing Malcolm Marshall rip out Gavaskar's off stump in the (bi?)centennial test at Lords - He was serious quick and normal size too. He did skid it on though which made his short deliveries difficult to play.
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Posted: 14 September 2006 at 9:53pm |
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i am small, yay
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Posted: 14 September 2006 at 11:38am |
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well i think being tall doenst helkp spin that much. the ball will go straight down, and you will have to bowl it flat, or toss it up and bowl slow to make it loop.
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i think you should try the malinga action in the orthodox position. Instead of side arm you should bowl strait down but keep the sling like action. I think you will gain more speed than you wouldbowling orthodox. This way you will gain the same accuracy and more speed
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