attacking off spin?

Originally posted by youngmurali Originally posted by 70_degree_spin Harbhajan was most successful without the doosra so it shows how much you know. We are talking about orthodox off spinners so Murali doesnt count. No offspinner can outclass Harbhajan today, you are talking rubbish. if harbhajan was that good, wouldnt he get in the india side ahead of Kumble? Obviously he isn't THAT great, im not saying hes bad, but hes not going to bowl teams out like murali

Harbhajan is the best finger spinner in the world but he is not as good as Anil Kumble. I am correct.

What do you call Murali? He's definately not a leggie, and you say he's not an offies either, then what do you call that 70Ds? I wish to learn a lot from you.

..or wrist off spin. Sounds better than elbow-spin. 

What about wrist off- elbow spinner, it would make both of you happy and wouldn't even bother the great Murali from taking batsmen's wickets and making them look like a fool.

Edited by shan - 05 January 2007 at 1:04pm

Thats a bit of a mouthfull isn't it, what about unorthodox spin?

Originally posted by shan What do you call Murali? He's definately not a leggie, and you say he's not an offies either, then what do you call that 70Ds? I wish to learn a lot from you.

Murali is not an orthodox off spinner. He is an unorthodox off spinner. He is so much better than every other off spinner in the world that this would be a boring discussion if he were involved, I'm trying to discuss if finger spin is still effective and that means spinning it in an orthodox way like Harbhajan or Powar. If you want to involve Murali in the discussion then thats fine. Murali is the bestt offy in the world. He is capable of attacking with off spin. There, that is the discussion finished. Get my point?

im  not being funny here but we could see orthodox offspin die into a part time art, with the likes of symonds and sehwag being the top level in years to come....... theyre not even bad bowlers and do turn it and with dramatic changes of pace and an arm ball could develop to be very dangerous in the one day form especially........

Vaas and Murali. There we go!

always helps........

i think spinners are truly a wonderful wepon of attacking option 4 captain because spinners have the ability 2 take the pace off the ball which mean the batsman  have 2 generate its own speed 2 play his shots and if u look at the history the leading test wicket holders are spineers so spinners are a good atacking option 4 captain

he probelm with fingerspinners that can bowl the doosra is that they bowl it far to much, salquain is a good example of this

Well, I dissagree 100% to people who think you have to be a Leggie!!! I mean DAMN, look at Greg Matthews, Formely Of Australia. This guy was Crazy, he was generally an Off Break Bowler, But he Confused the Batsmans so much with His Flight Spin and His Action. And he took 512 wickets in his career. So NO you dont have to be a leggie, look at all the great Spinners, they have all been hit for 6... You just have to imprivise when it comes time to Bowl, you have to think "How can I beat him in flight, How can I bowl around him" etc. I mean No wonder there are more Fastbowlers these days........Because Negative people actually think that Seam Bowling is the only key to success. Yes I'll agree with you when you say Leggies are sometimes more Consistent and Confusing than Offies, but thats generally based on the bowlers style. Cameron White of Australia is probably in my opinion a very Average Leg Spinner. He doesnt bowl Leg Breaks very often, all he bowls is Toppies and Googly's, and to be onest it doesnt usually get him very far. Thus why you'll see someone like Micheal Clarke Bowling more than him, because Clarke Reduces Runs, and he is capable of taking wickets. Not to say I dont like leggies "HELL NO" Sachin Tendulkar is one of my Fav's and he is an Excellent Leggie.

My point is If you are Capable of Changing your Length,Pace,Action etc. Then anything is possible. I do agree that Leggies are often more Capable of taking wickets, But Offies are Fully capable also!!!

Originally posted by warnester im not being funny here but we could see orthodox offspin die into a part time art, with the likes of symonds and sehwag being the top level in years to come....... theyre not even bad bowlers and do turn it and with dramatic changes of pace and an arm ball could develop to be very dangerous in the one day form especially........

You see... I'm not the only person here who thinks that any Off Spinner is capable. Virender Sehwag is like My Favourite Offie, he turns the ball a mile and often turns a dead end into wickets. And even Andrew Symonds is very capable...I think his Pace Bowling should be put aside, unfortunately due to the fact that he changes between Pace and Spin so often...He cant usually Settle with one Style. this is bad because he doesnt understand alot of variation In Off Spin. He can Bowl a good Arm Ball, but he rushes through his deliveries. both these guys are to some people very 'Average' of spinners, But at least I know that I'm not the only person here who believes in Off Spin, and beleives that perhaps with some Support, these Bowlers could really accomplish some Great things.
Thanks 'Warnester'

Offies can take wickets!! My goodness that is true! the problem is current day spinners rely too much on doosra (Yes! Murali! my finger is pointed at you!) and flipper, they forget the classic dismissal types of offies.

Why Murali and Harbhajan are so reluctant to bowl round the wicker to RHB? they definietly set a negative mind set in the next generation. I personally love to bowl round the wicket to RHB, and to pitch it 3-4 inches out side off stump to win LBWs.

When bowling over the wicket most offies bowl too straight. Very rarely you see an orthadox offie attacking off sump and keeping the square cover open for batsman to have a go. It's exceedingly rare to see a offie flighting it over the eye line of the batsman too.

yep i agree fishy, turn makes variations more effective, also the turn allows him to bowl a more attacking line and not get slogged, if giles bowled the line that panesar does he would get hit for 6 more often than not