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samhache 
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 Topic: Vettori vs HoggPosted: 07 August 2007 at 9:33am |
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hes getting older..but he did start at a very young age.
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zuhair_abbasi
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Posted: 03 August 2007 at 8:07am |
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I guess Vettori is stilll to be transformed into a great...he is good no doubt
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Sledger
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Posted: 03 August 2007 at 7:41am |
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He forgot Glenn Turner , an opener of the highest class.
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Mental disintegration works for me !!
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samhache
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Posted: 02 August 2007 at 9:33pm |
You Aussies are so damn modest aren't ya? Well, at least we have rugby.. Edited by samhache - 02 August 2007 at 9:34pm |
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cricketluva
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Posted: 15 July 2007 at 7:12am |
You are spot on Bondy.
There are a lot of "What If's" with players like Hogg, and for instant some of the extremely prolific South African players who did not get to play many tests/ODIs but were awesome in the First Class Arena.
Hogg hasn't been what I would consider awesome, he is a moderate a player among the greats. But the enthusiasm he brings and his uniqueness as a chinaman bowler brings something great to the game and I always love watching him play.
Vettori had he played in a more successful side probably would have been able to relax a tad more and maybe perform better, however he has two massive hauls vs. Australia in tests which is a mean feat and he has always been a great ODI bowler (one of the best spinners in ODI history I believe).
I think Vettori brings to the game a good attitude. He is hard working and an honest cricketer. He is truly a bowler, but because he is such a natually talented player and a hard worker he has been able to carve out a rather good competency with the bat, the fact that he has test tons and got that 90+ score in a test when he was still in his teens shows this. I do believe Hogg is more naturally talented with the bat, but Vettori is more likely to have success in the batting arena.
Vettori will always be remembered as one of the great Kiwi players with Crowe, Cairns and Hadlee (A truly short list).
I believe Vettori can be a good skipper, but he already has so much responsibility on him
I also respect the fact that Daniel chose not to bowl the doosra. Citing that he believes it to be too difficult to bowl legitimately. In fact, he doesn't even need it.
Hogg's variation and hard to pick fast action makes him more of a "strike" bowler, but overall Vettori is proven.
I would still think that Hogg, given the chance as a young man would have been as prolific, if not more so.
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See you later Gilly! Thanks for the memories! |
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bondy
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Posted: 15 July 2007 at 6:48am |
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Given that Hogg has never has the opportunity to prove himself at test match level it's hard to choose him over Vettori purely as an ODI player; Vettori is my choice.
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Good one Graham!
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MP12
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Posted: 15 July 2007 at 1:34am |
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Hogg decives batsman because he is harder to pick from the hand. His variation always keeps the batsman guessing. Cricketluva makes a good point about Vettori being under pressure. Both players can bat moderatly well but I would go for Vettori by an inch. Overall though Hogg but it's a shame that he is only known to be an ODI bowler with his limited chances at test level.
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cricketluva
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Posted: 14 July 2007 at 2:56pm |
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Hogg for me.
Hogg is a match-winning bowler in the ODI arena (which is the only place you can compare them), I do not think Vettori can win matches more competently.
Hogg's variation, and excellent control for a wrist spinner is the pivot point. His flight and turn supersedes Vettori.
Hogg is also an extremely enthusiastic fieldsman, very quick, safe hands and has hit the stumps quite a lot.
Hogg has seldom been afforded the opportunity to bad, but in tense situations, like the VB series final in 2002 when Australia collapsed badly he went out and got 71 to save the game. He has shown in the strong Pura Cup arena that he can get runs and was originally a batsman.
Vettori, being in a weaker side has had a great deal of pressure on his bowling and like many similar sides, the lower order is important and he is a part of that.
If Hogg was New Zealander I am sure that he would be the no.1 spinner. If not, he would be no.2, but only to the super talented Daniel Vettori.
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afridi_fire
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Posted: 01 July 2007 at 5:34pm |
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both are good but hogg for me
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MadMax
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Posted: 25 May 2007 at 10:09am |
I think I have answered your call |
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samhache
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Posted: 25 May 2007 at 8:47am |
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ok madmax how about we come to the conclusion that they are of similar standing with the bat. Agreed? or am i being naive?
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MadMax
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Posted: 25 May 2007 at 7:50am |
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You can consider that Hogg has a best of 71 n ODIs and 158 in Sheffield shield match with 6 odd centuries. He can hold that bat!
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You can wake up that who are asleep, but not who are pretending to be asleep
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samhache
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Posted: 25 May 2007 at 2:22am |
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For batting? Vettori opens for his domestic side sometimes, and is very handy at the end of an innings especially to stabilise when a typical NZ top order collapses haha.
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MadMax
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Posted: 24 May 2007 at 6:14am |
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abcdgpa
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Posted: 21 May 2007 at 8:50am |
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i would take vettori actually.
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bondy
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Posted: 21 May 2007 at 8:44am |
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I'd take Hogg based on current form.
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Good one Graham!
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samhache
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Posted: 21 May 2007 at 8:42am |
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yeah true NZ fast, i agree. they are different, but i also think vettori is better. better batsman aswell, if that counts?
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maxx
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Posted: 14 May 2007 at 8:37am |
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I always thought Hoog is a much better bowler from the first time I sow him in 2002 (in that som time som TV commentators quistioned his selection) still he is a bit underated bowler, I really think he is a better bowler than Vitori.
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NZ_Fast
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Posted: 14 May 2007 at 8:08am |
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I'd take Vettori over Hogg anyday. Hogg may spin the ball more and have one variation in the googly. But Vettori has greater accuracy, more variations, a great arm ball.
Hogg is a chinaman bowler though? and Vettori Orthodox. So to me its like comparing apples and oranges |
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samhache
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Posted: 11 May 2007 at 2:51am |
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dont agree, he turns it more but is lethal thru flight
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blaster17
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Posted: 28 April 2007 at 10:37pm |
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I Like Both But Hogg Is A Much Btter Bowler
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Migara
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Posted: 24 March 2007 at 4:26am |
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We have seen a lot of great left arm spinners in current game. Vettori, Rafique and Jayasuriya are old foxes who have performed admirably. Enamul Haq and Monty Panesar are representing new generation. But every one have forgotten a crafty chinaman bpwler called Hogg. Due to the fact Warne and McGill are there, Hogg never go the opportunities he should have. If he was in SAF he would have played 75 test matches now to take 250+ wickets.
Here are the records of Vettori and Hogg Hogg Batting and fielding averages Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 4s 6s Ct St Tests 4 5 1 38 17* 9.50 136 27.94 0 0 2 0 0 0 ODIs 97 56 23 700 71* 21.21 862 81.20 0 2 39 5 29 0 Twenty20 Int. 2 1 0 41 41 41.00 25 164.00 0 0 2 3 0 0 First-class 92 136 29 3679 158 34.38 4 24 53 0 List A 202 138 50 2427 94* 27.57 0 6 73 0 Twenty20 12 9 1 191 54 23.87 160 119.37 0 1 5 0 Bowling averages Mat Balls Runs Wkts BBI BBM Ave Econ SR 4 5 10 Tests 4 774 452 9 2/40 3/108 50.22 3.50 86.00 0 0 0 ODIs 97 4389 3316 117 5/32 5/32 28.34 4.53 37.51 1 2 0 Twenty20 Int. 2 30 62 0 - - - 12.40 - 0 0 0 First-class 92 11918 6453 160 6/44 40.33 3.24 74.48 7 0 List A 202 7848 6100 211 5/23 5/23 28.90 4.66 37.19 2 3 0 Twenty20 12 251 317 21 4/9 4/9 15.09 7.57 11.95 2 0 0 Vettori Batting and fielding averages Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 4s 6s Ct St Tests 73 105 16 2250 137* 25.28 4105 54.81 2 13 294 6 36 0 ODIs 194 123 39 1270 83 15.11 1607 79.02 0 3 95 6 53 0 First-class 119 163 23 3649 137* 26.06 4 20 57 0 List A 260 173 47 2514 138 19.95 2 9 84 0 Twenty20 1 1 0 5 5 5.00 7 71.42 0 0 0 0 Bowling averages Mat Balls Runs Wkts BBI BBM Ave Econ SR 4 5 10 Tests 73 17585 7851 229 7/87 12/149 34.28 2.67 76.79 11 13 3 ODIs 194 9085 6397 192 5/30 5/30 33.31 4.22 47.31 5 1 0 First-class 119 27346 12288 381 7/87 32.25 2.69 71.77 23 3 List A 260 12443 8528 269 5/30 5/30 31.70 4.11 46.25 5 1 0 Twenty20 1 18 13 0 - - - 4.33 - 0 0 0 |
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