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daisy77
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Topic: Twenty20 World Cup Final: India vs PakistanPosted: 30 September 2007 at 2:15pm |
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yes BFM I know why!
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BackFoot Master
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Posted: 28 September 2007 at 10:58pm |
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I don't agree mate, they was simply outplayed by India.
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Posted: 28 September 2007 at 7:52pm |
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yeah I agree with u that he played bad shot, but man it is very easy to sit infront of TV and say that, imagine what was the situation there where a large number of crowd shouting, everyone watching you and importantly u r playing the world cup final against ur arch rival, so its not easy to control ur nerve at that moment.
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Posted: 28 September 2007 at 7:42pm |
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Sure, I also want to discuss this issue privately, I hope I will clear ur mind about this issue.
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Monty
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Posted: 28 September 2007 at 6:11pm |
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That shot off misbah was ythe stupidist thing i think anyone could do at a situation loike that
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Flavia et Cornelia sedebat sub arbore!!! Oh My goodness!!
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canadiancricket
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Posted: 28 September 2007 at 5:48pm |
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On kahmad statement that if pakistan didn't lose the wickets then that would be a close match. Well in that case even if bangladesh didn't lose wickets then also they would win the match and that is true for any team and same can be said for india that if they didn't lose their wickets then also it would be one sided match. But that doesn't matter as both teams' bowlers did well and earned their wickets. If, then statements are just if, then statements.
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Posted: 28 September 2007 at 10:04am |
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Yeah absolutely, only time will tell that. I liked the term Kamakaze you've used to describe the tendencies they've shown over the past as it perfectly fits into the context. It's a pefect description of a team who's been used to lose six out of ten wickets just because it's main batsmen can't help themselves trying to pull a short pitched deliveries for a boundary with a trap already set for them. And I am talking of test matches, not the limited over versions. Pefect!
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143no
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Posted: 28 September 2007 at 9:29am |
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I think you should all wait till proper cricket starts again, signs are ok, but don't forget these games are come and gone in a few hours, we need to wait for some extended cricket to see if the old kamakazi tendencies are still there.
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kahmad
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Posted: 28 September 2007 at 9:23am |
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i hope you dont want to compare Pakistan with Bangladesh :)
Mojo, i tell you one thing if Pakistan hadnt loose the wickets it would be a one sided match. It was an interesting and close match because they lost wickets regularly. You have seen it they were so near to victory. Bangladesh wasnt at all near the victory, that was one sided after the 10th over or so.
I dont want to mean that Pakistan was better. Its a fact that they didn't perform well on the day while India performed well and won it. Everyone have to accept that India was better in this match. Simply because they played in final like they played in whole tournament. Pakistan didn't played in the final as they played before in the tournament.
I think both side have to prove there form in the future.
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Mojo
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Posted: 28 September 2007 at 8:15am |
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Does anyone remember the SA vs Bangladesh game, where Bang came out all guns blazing, scoring at a rate of over 12 runs per over, but also losing at least 1 wicket per over? I'm sure you all would agree with me that Bangladesh were never in control there. It's the same with the India Pakistan final. The runs may have been similar, but the wickets tell a different story. |
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kamleshmistry
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Posted: 28 September 2007 at 7:59am |
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i don't agree, like I said that the oldies not do basics right, so they more likely to lose more matches, Sathchin can run between wickets, but the rest of the oldies can't and that one of the fundamentals of cricket, if u cant score boundaries you have to run well between wickets. Losing matches is not good for youngsters. They need to start fresh and I think they will do fine. They all aq good bunch of lads, and need a chance and the Indian public need to stop putting pressure on them and let them play cricket.
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Posted: 28 September 2007 at 6:46am |
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So do I scuudz , so do I. |
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Mental disintegration works for me !!
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Posted: 28 September 2007 at 1:50am |
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I think that they have to pick the right players now. They need to blend the older players (Tendulkar, Dravid, Ganguly etc.) with the younger players. This will help develop the younger players phenomenally.
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Minn hugur er minn sverð (My mind is my sword)
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BackFoot Master
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Posted: 28 September 2007 at 12:36am |
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Hey lad, you can post allday long and all night long about young doing the basic and old guys ain't doing their best anymore but you can change the fact that the old guys will take charge and the youngies will have to suck the bench.
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Posted: 27 September 2007 at 11:45pm |
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Trust me, I don't think anyone on that selection panel is that nuts to leave out Sachin. Their house will be on fire as soon as the news has been released!
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In troubled times, being philosophical helps a great deal, it helps you to remain sane and not do any further damage.
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kamleshmistry
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Posted: 27 September 2007 at 11:35pm |
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well, the oldies don't do the basic right no more, hence they more likely to loose more matches then win. The twenty20 team are young, they can do the basics, but they also have experience since they not new to the international scene. This is a good foundation to start from, and I think they should be given a chance to develop as a team, without any pressure. Whether they win or not, but the best way to start is by doing the basics right. The rest will follow. Just go out and enjoy urself India and ull be fine!!!
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Posted: 27 September 2007 at 11:31pm |
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Dead right! Trust me, Gambhir, Uthappa and co doesn't have the gut and quality of their trade to replace veterans especially Tendulkar and Dravid - two classy batsman!! Come on, it's two different versions! Uthappa style suits 2020 and 50 overs!
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BackFoot Master
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Posted: 27 September 2007 at 9:40pm |
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Oh okay, so you are hoping India chooses a bangladesh young squad instead of the big guns. Remember mate, young guns can do very well in 20/20 matches but 50/50 is much different and when the aussie - india series is completed, we will see how true that is.
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Posted: 27 September 2007 at 9:35pm |
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I hope India stick with youth from now on. Its youths turn to continue in India cricketing future. Out with the old and in with the new. the youngers can do what the elder can not do any more, the basics of cricket. |
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Posted: 27 September 2007 at 6:35pm |
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You can hope all you want but its not going to clear anything.
Im not sure which interview you watched AFTER the match but the one that I and a lot of other people saw was the one in which he said sorry but PROMISED that they DID give their 100%
If you want to discuss this further with the religion aspect involved, I suggest we do it via PM.
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Posted: 27 September 2007 at 4:45pm |
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In his interview before world cup final he said many things and in this interview he also requested for prayers to all muslims in the world who are pakistani fans and he also said that we would try our 100 percent effort to win that match. as this is a holy month of Ramadan and muslims spends more time in prayers in this month. so in that context in his final interview he apologize that they not gave their 100 percent effort and he also thanks to all muslims who pray for their success throughout the tournament.
I hope it will clear ur mind about shoaib's statement.
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kahmad
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Posted: 27 September 2007 at 3:13pm |
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i think this match was level before the last match was played. A six of 4 balls from Misbah was very much possible at that time. And a wicket for India in 4 balls too. I dont think it has to do something with the nerves. This stupid shot can also go for a 4 and everyone would praise it. I think in this moment it was a need of luck for both the teams.
You are right the turning point was the run out from Imran Nazir. But Pakistan was also in the game after the 5 down. India had to bowl very good to win this match. They werent on top of the game al the time.
It seemed on one stage that Pakistan didn't want to win it. The last shot is the example of it. They helped India to win. and India helped them to win too. i dont think 157 was a difficult task.
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Posted: 27 September 2007 at 1:34pm |
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Fair enough. England Fan, Im not sure how you came to the conclusion that Pakistan was on top for most of the match. First, 157 was always going to be tricky to chase down in a final. In the Pakistan innings, India was in the driver's seat after Nazir's run out. They didn't pace their innings well (they werent allowed to do so due to some good bowling by Pathan and the others in the middle) and were left with too much to do in the last few overs. |
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Posted: 27 September 2007 at 5:56am |
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Whilst the religious discussion here hasn't gone overboard , I think it best if we stick to cricketing issues please fellas.
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Posted: 27 September 2007 at 2:00am |
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I won't get further into the controversy but I am just saying he could use the word people as there can be people from other religions too who might have wanted Pakistan to win. He should not have singled out one religion as a person living in Pakistan will want Pakistan to win and his religion wouldn't matter.
I don't care about who was the better team as the match was so close neither team had the upper hand throughout the match, sometimes it was India other times it was Pakistan. What matters for both teams is to carry on their form. If they go on to play good matches on their respective tours, then only getting to final will mean something otherwise it will not count for anything. |
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BackFoot Master
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Posted: 26 September 2007 at 11:23pm |
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Crazy, just absolute crazy.
Hey mate, i know years ago it's your opinion because it's not facts.
It doesn't matter how it comes, as long as they win, thats what matters more than anything.
When Drogba scored a goal off his Knee against Arsenal, didn't every chelsea fan celebrate all night long.
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I dont think india were the better team in the final. Pakistan were probably the better team throughout the match until the last few overs when they lost a few quick wickets, although how they recovered was pretty amazing, misbah looks like a very good player, hes run chasing has been timed perfectly, alsoconsidering they limited india below 160 fine bwoling from gul. However india held their nerves and came through with the win, very good captaincy by dhoni through out the tournament. 20/20 games can be changed in a matter of a few balls.
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Posted: 26 September 2007 at 10:03pm |
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Would you explain what on Earth do all the Muslims in the world have to do with the Pakistani cricket team?
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Im not quite sure what you mean. How did
Pakistan deserve to win this? They werent the best team in the
final. Hence, they deserved to be 2nd best. They have
played superb cricket, no doubt, but to say they deserved to win it is
a touch unfair. Whether India win by 5 runs or 50 is
immaterial. They held their nerve, the batsmen didn't.
Simple.
It is easier to put
words in someone's mouth. I am just taking what he said at face
value and can conclude that he is daft. Im not sure why the
Pakistani cricketers have to 'flaunt' their religion like they
do. Malik's comment was absolutely ridiculous. There is no
point in speculating what he meant by 'thinking a bit logically'. Edited by Sledger - 27 September 2007 at 5:53am |
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I dont think Shoaib Malik said anything wrong, he was just thanking to all muslims. Actually u people didnot see a interview of him before the final match and in that context he was thanking to all muslims.
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