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    Posted: 14 June 2008 at 7:06pm
In junior cricket, teams are not expected to play with a new ball. This means they can use any junior size ball though it is expected they would use a new or nearly new ball in the spirit of the game. Of course this done to stop putting financial burden on junior cricket where money is short anyway.

However, I have seen during last season and this, many teams are turning out with really old balls which are tattered and gone beyond their useful life; they just happen to be in one piece.

In one junior match I saw, team A used a ball that was 1 match old and fairly shiny and hard. It was a fast outfield and they lost lot of runs from edges. When team A came out to bat they were faced with an old ball that barely bounced and could not be hit for a boundary even with a canon. Suffice to say team A lost the match.

In another match recently I witnessed a team used a really old ball which was probably 15 matches old and looked it had been chewed by a dog. They just 'lobbed' the ball at the batsman feet and took wicket becuase the ball had very little bounce. Many batsman lost their wickets by not being able to pick the ball which was just dying and 'rolling' under their bat. The batting side lost the match.

I also, at times, suspected that some teams bring doctored match balls; balls that have been massaged with oil, dipped in water on one side etc. to give their bowlers extra help.

Of course what all this does is that they win matches but it does no good to young bowlers or batsman who should be learning against good bowling, hard balls and on decent wickets. When young players have to cope with this kind of situation, they cannot adjust to representative or senior cricket because there new balls are used every match.

Just not cricket!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote NZ_Fast Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 June 2008 at 2:56am
Maybe, if your team is using a resonable good ball, and the opposition turns up with a ruined one, you could offer the opposition the use of your ball so it is fairer? I know we had to do that once in under 15's where we had to use the same ball for 3 games, the oppositions had accidently been used at practises as well and was ruined so we leant them ours.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote akkers Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 June 2008 at 2:36pm
The problem is how do you define a ball's condition. You might object to a ball that the opposition propose to use but they do not agree with you; so an argument ensues.

I wonder what kind of criterion you can set to say whether a ball is acceptable or not?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote NZ_Fast Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 June 2008 at 2:54am
I think common sence has to prevail. If it looks like a dogs dinner then its obviously to old, also if one side is ruined and the other side shiny, particuarly if its a 2 piece ball, then its going to swing a mile and give an unfair advantage. No team likes to win by cheating.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote bladescape Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 June 2008 at 5:50am
We mostly use a new ball every innings and therefore it gives it a feel of proper cricket,we only use old balls at practice.
You could talk to an club authority about it.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote NZ_Fast Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 June 2008 at 6:08am
Originally posted by bladescape

We mostly use a new ball every innings and therefore it gives it a feel of proper cricket,we only use old balls at practice.
You could talk to an club authority about it.
 
Most places/clubs/grades do, except lower grades and younger age groups.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote bladescape Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 June 2008 at 6:16am
I play junior cricket,and even the younger ones are taught to use the ball to swing therefore we use new balls for matches.
Though admitadly my team is the one that brings the ball allmost ever match so it could be just my club!
By the way my team won the grand finals by over one hundred runs!
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Old balls usually used to take the bounce and pace off so that batsman cant score many runs. Happsn mainly junior cricket where a new match ball is not mandatory.

Also some will 'doctor' or prepare a used ball before the match so that one side is really rough and the other side with gleaming shine so that their bowlers get plenty of swing. Shining a ball off pitch is not cricket and I consider it blatant cheating.

'No one to win by cheating' statemnt above - I wish this was true. Cricket is played by good honest and civlised people on the whole. However, you will always find some rotten apples who will want to win at all cost. These days, there is not just widespread cheating but abuse or bullying of umpires is common. You will find umpires are leaving the game in droves.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote still not out Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 June 2008 at 11:43pm

I play junior cricket and we always use a new ball for our matches, not one for each innings though.

Then again I do play in surrey...
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Post Options Post Options   Quote akkers Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 June 2008 at 9:43pm
Unfortunately, money is a big problem in junior cricket. Our club is loaded but I was only given 2 new balls  for 10 matches! So most junior teams have to do with whatever is available and that means really old balls.

But the point is that some really rich clubs can afford new balls but they used soft old balls to get an advtange.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote TCA123 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 June 2008 at 1:00pm
In my experience of club cricket, not too many years though, i've never seen such unfairness described in the first post. Both balls are usually as close to the same condition as possible.
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