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Topic: Osama Bin Laden deadPosted: 17 May 2011 at 10:33am |
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For the second Sunday in a row, network programming was interrupted for a news flash on May 9th. President Obama appeared on all major networks and cable TV to announce that Elvis Presley had been found alive and well in First reports state that Presley was found right in the middle of Evidently, Mr. Presley was found living in luxurious conditions with several seventy-five year old groupies of mixed national origin. When the USO swat team first entered the compound, Presley and the groupies were huddled under a blanket watching old video tapes of The Ed Sullivan Show. One of the groupies wearing a mini-skirt and spike heels tried to stab a member of the team with a needle from an old Victrola. No injuries were reported. |
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Posted: 13 May 2011 at 1:41pm |
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Huge attack in Pakistan, that's a lot of people killed. Word is the talibans have said it's a retaliation against the pakistani's for their poor works in the Bin Laden fiasco.
Well, as far as we are told, the Pakistani's and American created the talibans - look how things comeback to haunt you. What you sow, you reap! Sad to say, that's the harsh reality! I wish these things would stop but it doesn't seem like it's ever going to end.
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Not many others Dear. Only a banned outfit Jamat-ut-dawah hold a rally in favor of Osama. Yup citizens of Pakistan are confused about the realities because our government never try to tell their clear policy to us. They are just busy in collecting money for them. Some people are saying that America is fighting against terrorism. Oh really Please for God sake America has their own agendas and history is approving it. First they created this manic (Al-Queada and Usama bin laden) and used them against USSR in 1980's war and now they are fighting against them. Haha what a joke. In between we suffered that time by Making Russia as one of our enemy and we are suffering even now and this war has created so much confusions and divisions in our public But America and our Government is not interested to remove those confusions from our mind. Zuhair i think we need a good leader Like Quaid- e-Azam who can unite us, who can convey our questions to America, who can remove our confusions, who can make us proud to be Pakistanis. Meanwhile A backlash has been started. Twin blasts in Peshawar and Charsada have killed 70 innocent citizens and wounded at least 100 people. Now Guys tell me who is suffering more from this War, Pakistanis or America. America always say that they will never forget 9/11 then what about the killings of 1000's of our people, how can we forget it. We live here, we know more about the ground realities. International media just try to convey their side of the story to their Public. there many CIA operators here in Pakistan. Big example is Raymond davis. he killed our 3 citizens without any reason. Mr John kerry specially came here for his release. if they give such importance to their citizens even if they are culprit how can we tolerate drone attacks in Pakistan in which many innocent citizens have been killed and 1 sided US raids in Pakistan. If they want cooperation from us and want to finish the anger of Pakistani public against them, first they have to finish this discrimination.
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Posted: 12 May 2011 at 4:16am |
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I can see where you are coming from V4P. All i'll just finish off with is that this story is very fishy. Even the Iranians have another story, about America trying to distract the world from their current economic position etc and that they had reliable information that Osama died sometime ago from some illness. |
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Posted: 10 May 2011 at 8:31am |
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I'm with you on that spin wizard, I ain't under the false notion that the Americaans are saints or the saviours of the planet. They do have their own crooked agendas and I resent to most/some of them . I mean Iraq, Vietnam, Afganisthan... They learn nothing from history and they don't intend to. They nothing but a highly pompous, pretencious, narcissistic bunch and don't give a tiny rat's bottom to the rest of the world. But at the same I'm also under no illusion that Osama's just an innocent bait being framed, or the US behind the 9/11 attacks (contrary to the what many may postulate) and all that being a pretext to carry out their false propganda's. I don't know any of their other agendas to be in Pakistan other than clean up their mess. Either way I think if the Pakistan authorities can't get their own house in order on their own (They like to believe that anytime something goes wrong their has to be someone else to blame, just couldn't feasibly be of their own making) this can't be bad not only for them but also for their neighbour's who too may have to bear the brunt of their neglegence at times. Yes their neighbour's too aren't far behind in neglegent scoffers and fools at the top. And like always they just not ready to accept to the possibily of Osama being found in their own backyard, and has been harbouring their for quite a while. Instead they like to believe the notions that suit their liking. Not Surprised am I , but Sorry I am!! Edited by vote4peace - 10 May 2011 at 8:39am |
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Posted: 10 May 2011 at 5:21am |
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Raj, where many money lies, it's very easy to turn a man into a beast! Basically, what i'm trying to say is, you can't put anything past anyone. The Americans maybe on a hoax or they maybe correct. All I do know is that America has their agenda and that's very clear for anyone to see. I don't like terrorists, what they're doing so if they are weeding them out, then good but I don't think it's just that alone.
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Posted: 09 May 2011 at 2:47pm |
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Forgive me my friends, but I can't help get the feeling that those view are slightly myopic. You tend to see only what you want to , believe exactly what you wish to and understand whatever suit you.
I do not intend to debate on this , I've taken that route many times and everytime it hits a dead end.
You come across as sensible ppl so I'll say this much and wind up...
The truth sometimes does hurts and ppl tend get self-delusional and are quick to blame others for their woes. Blame is a lazy man's wages, unless your God or a small child.
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Posted: 09 May 2011 at 12:35pm |
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And keep everybody at war to keep their weapon industry running!!! It won't be long before America invents another enemy - and takes 10 years to find and kill him
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Posted: 09 May 2011 at 12:32pm |
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Obama just does what he's told and will not upset his money men backers, How else does a none American born get to office. Everyone knows or should know that large corporations run the U.S along with the military industrial complex, which needs wars to make more money. |
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Posted: 09 May 2011 at 10:10am |
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Though I'll give it some time , allow things to settle down a bit before posting on this thread. There has , not surprisingly, been a surge of conspiracy theories and hypothesis running around leading to the death , understandably most of them emanating from Pakistan, their ppl and their media ( the same media that audaciously blamed India for the attack on the SL cricketers, for the record I do not think highly of the Indian media either). Quite a few takers for these stories too, I read, that believe the whole thing was merely an eyewash, a hoodwink, nothing but a beautifully constructed Big Fat Lie. I respect everyones right to have his/her own opinion, but i find that hard to buy (Mind you, This Not the prejudise views of an Indian). I've been following the events for the past few days and have found reasons to believe the authenticity of the story.
Yes this isn't the first we've heard of Osama's death, but this be the first time any US president has made an official annoucement claiming reponsibility for his death. No big fan of his, But Obama would've to be really naive or stupid to lay his career and reputation on the line based on a bluff, a fable story. I highly doubt that. Such stories would never stick forever esp a news of such gargantuan proportion . Could you imagine what be of him in the eventuality of his hoax falling apart. The people and the media would rip right into him. Realize that all Osama or Al-Queda had to do was to release a video, to prove the contrary and leave the Americans and their government in tatters. Instead they gone on to acknowledge his death and have vowed to strike back. But what really dispelled any doubts over the legitimacy was none other than the official statements made by some of the top honchos of the Pakistan government and Army institutes viz. their President, PM, their foreign secretary, their Army chief to name a notable few. I mean, these are the ppl who utimately are gonna be at fault for this shame. Those are the shoulders where the blames will finally rest. And all of them literally acknowledges the story as bone fide and goes on to lament the collective intelligence failures of Pakistan and the world by large, and have asked everyone to stop suspecting and blaming them as they too are the 'victims' over here. These be the men who are closest to the ground realities than any of us or the "media". If they had suspect anything fishy or the slightlest semblance of any deciet they would have gone up in arms and vehemently denied and cried foul (from the past we know they good at taht) to save their behinds. None of them have patronaged to any such wild conspiracy theories. In the aftermath of all this the ISI chief is said to be considering resignation his post for such an intelligence fuax pas . That should clearly explain whether they horbour any thoughts of foul play. News is that Osama's Yemeni wife, who is in the captive of the Pakistan authorities, has told the Pakistan interrogators that they've(Osama and family) been living there for the past five years. If all of these fail to convince you I'm afraid nothing will. For the past few days realization has struck many within the media and the citizen of Pakistan have come out of their denial state and are now angered with the happenings while sadly many others have also held rallies patronizing Osama as some martyr. I've said none of this with any malicious intentions. I clearly do not wish to put the boot into anyone over here, or get into a slanging match with my Pakistani friends. I strongly believe this unfortunate episode that had occured in your country shouldn't put any of you in a poor light. The commoner from Pakistan or India should never be put to shame cos a few morons, at the helm of their countries, continue to botch up, time and again. |
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Posted: 09 May 2011 at 7:24am |
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There are two sayings that comes to my mind every time when world is trying to get rid of terrorists, these sayings are about some 3000 years old , one says which is the last option against evil forces “Dandam Dasha Gunam Bhaveth” – One stick imparts ten virtuous qualities.This is something like try all other options try to explain, dialogue etc etc etc and if nothing works in the end , then it's the punishment that works best for the beasts.
The second one I don't exaclty remember the quote in Sanskrit , but its meaning is like "To remove a thorn you need anothor thorn". How true it is.
No wonder these are the last options as a route for cure, but this is what has happened to our world.These terrorist organisations will never realise what they are , they are like "Koopa Manduka", means a frog in the well , they will never know what they are doing is wrong , keep killing thousands without putting a face.
Though retaliation is the last option , but you need firm steps aganist these terrorist organisations who do all the hide and seek and attack from behind. Try to gather sympathy.
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Posted: 09 May 2011 at 6:57am |
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Nothing surprises me any more mate. 9/11, 7/7 and the Mumbai attack - all have one motive. Lo, it is a sign for those who are wise!!!
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Did you also know that the London 7/7 bombers never made the train in Luton because that particular train was cancelled, hence they could not have made london in the time spam. The Truth is out there, if you can be bothered to take the time out and look for yourself.
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Listen guys, The terrorists are not good neither are the Americans any angels or "saviors" of the world. everyone does a lot of things for their own benefit and terrorists say they are doing it for people of their religion while Americans say they are doing it for their people and "to save the world", we need not waste our time in talking about these people because they are not worth spending time up on. Bottom line is both Terrorists and Americans are killing innocent people for which they will get punished on the day of Judgement and that will be a very very bad punishment.
As for relations between India and Pakistan, well they will continue to blame each other for ever, continue to fight for ever, I do not even care about what these politicians say, I consider all of them to be corrupt and they speak only for their benefit and to get some votes. Instead of wasting our time on them Lets enjoy the game we love the most... Cricket!
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Posted: 07 May 2011 at 10:47am |
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Yes without a doubt. In my childhood I used to believe that everyone can be educated about what is right and what is wrong and entire world can live in love and harmony. As the grew up , I understood that people lose logic and fail to understand or accept the real truth , selectively assume and imagine things, believe in only what they want to believe, forget the thousands of years of history , learn nothing from it and become complete morons and say "hey 1+1 is 3", unfortunately we can't explain that 1+1 accounts to 2 to someone who fundamentally learnt that "1+1" is 3. This is the precise reason why the terrorists are to be finished as soon as possible, before their poison engulfs many. They poison so many minds so much that those who do the wrong deeds never realise what they have become and what they are doing to themselves. |
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Posted: 07 May 2011 at 10:28am |
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Smash the mosquito and everyone who looks like a mosquito or lives nearby. But I learnt in my childhood - there is no point banging the head on the wall.
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Posted: 07 May 2011 at 9:44am |
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What does a man do when mosquito sits his body to suck the blood? Will the man happily allow mosquito to suck blood or just smash it ?
Now the facts , know the history properly.
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Posted: 07 May 2011 at 9:34am |
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Ask Obama for the answer. America has history - from Nagasaki Herosehma to Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan and now Pakistan - how many more lives before the elimination is the question indeed.
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Yes , I always hit the nail on the head, but sorry America is not a terrorist nation they are infact eliminating the terrorism that is brewing up in the world.It is a different aspects that they only consider 9/11 attack as major one and rest of the terrorist attack on other countries is meaningless for them. They don't keep quite like other nations and suffer, they have a tit for tat policy in place , they know how to get things done against terrorists, violent non-state actors, extremists who always wage a proxy war and kill innocent people and never come forward. The moment they are hunted down , they try to gather sympathy as it is very easy in the world to get it. They kill so many innocent people which never gets noticed.
The article that you brought , former Indian foreign minister is absolutely right in saying that evil guys like OBL and DI should be eliminated whever they are, which ever country they are as soon as possible to make the world a better place - Right ? If the governments where these terrorists hide can't eliminate them , then do you wait for ages before they die of natural death before producting 1000 such anti social elements , or before they kill thousands of innocent lives? How long can anyone wait against them.
I know one thing for sure , good always wins over the bad , evil will eventually die out on its own in long run.Infact they kill one another and die out. Thousands of years of history suggests that evil intentions and people never win.They might have upper hand momentarily, but eventually it is the good that will previal over the bad.
How many more lives before the elimination of bad is the quesiton?.
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http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Yashwant-backs-Abbottabad-like-strike-by-India/articleshow/8183300.cms - true that Indian media takes no stock in this!!!
You have hit the nail on the head mate - left untreated is already spreading like a cancer - ground realities on terrorism clearly tell America is the biggest terrorist on the planet and we should all wok towards eradicating it - right?
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Yes I can see the power of propaganda, Pakistani general innocent public does not even have an idea of what their military and govt are doing all these years. They know ignorance is bliss and they very well know how to make stories that divert attention from real problems on hand from general public. Biggest ever joke on this forum is about blaming Indian media for their self inflicted misery and mess, come on get over it. India sees no reason to get into a slanging match with Pakistan at a time when the neighbouring country is clearly suffering huge embarrassment with so many uncomfortable questions that entire world is asking.Just denial won't work anymore.
Now regarding 911 or recent OBL hunt down speculations, well not even my my two cents for it. There are lot of consipiracy theories about those and we will have a thousand more stories.Yes anyone can photoshop and create thousands of conspiracy theories.Yes even 7 year old kid can.
It was true or staged or semi staged (I know you are gonna attack me, do it , then I will take advantage and clean up the brewing mess), I don't care a bit. One thing I can say is Americans are damn intelligent as they always have been , they know how to get things done.There is an age old beautiful saying in Hindi "Jab seedi unglie se ghee na nikle , tho ungli teedi kanri padthi hai" , which means when you can't take out butter from a straight finger,you got to crook your finger.
The trick is not to fall for it , the ground realities about the terrorism, its problems , how they are made , how they are braniswashed to the point that they believe that what they are doing in right and where it is brewing up is crystal clear. Left untreated will spread like a cancer.
I won't spend more time and energy here...you can educate an ignorant , but not brain washed and ill informed.
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Sam those videos are just put together by the U.S to scare the American public in general, thankfully most are waking up to this but there are many brain washed in the world who fall for it hook line and sinker, dumb is too smaller word for it. The FBI has always said that he was never wanted for 911 because they had no proof. Those vids never looked anything like him anyway. Obama has been a lame duck as expected, and was about to go down in history as the worst ever next to Bush 2, He needed this staged nonsense to regain popularity in my opinion. |
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Have faith Amal, inshallah everything will be fine. if we believe in God and have faith that he will protect us, that is sufficient for us. No terrorist, no threat, no evil is bigger than the almighty.
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Ameen. But Sam, I'm not seeing any bright future for Pakistan. After the Killing of Osama (if the news is right) alqaida will show anger by doing blasts in big cities of Pakistan, as they did after laal Musjid incident and USA and some other countries are also showing their anger on Pakistan. I seriously don't know what will be our future
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Good Post Amal.
Well I certainly do not have good knowledge on politics but the only reason I say it is good that Osama is dead is because he himself through various videos has claimed the responsibility of various terrorist attacks and if he has killed even one innocent soul in the name of religion or whatever, he deserves to be hanged just for that. I'm not a big fan of the USA either and even I think that the war on Iraq was purely because of Oil. I cannot comment much on America's plan on Pakistan or Asian countries because as I said I do not have good knowledge on this, but I certainly do not believe that PAK were assisting Osama in hiding there, As Amal has rightly pointed out PAK have suffered a lot and a lot because of terrorism and it is very hard to believe that they are providing hideouts to the terrorist organizations. Anyways, I hope and pray that all countries stay safe from terrorist attacks, the sooner we get rid of all these terrorists the better it is for the world. Lets hope for a better tomorrow, lets hope this world becomes a much better and safer place to live in.
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Haha what a joke by typical Indian media. We have lost 30,000 innocent people in blasts and 5000 army personnels but we are still confused that who is killing us actually. Still, whole world is saying that we are providing hideouts to alqiada(or what ever they are). what a joke
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I don't know what exactly do you mean by black and white here. America's next target is to pressurize Pakistan to give away its nuclear assets. And the Indian media has already started cribbing over it - fearing that Pakistan can now use its nuclear weapons on India. What a joke. |
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That is the strength of the propaganda folks. America's aim is to get access to the Central Asia for which Pakistan is the gateway through Afghanistan. Afghanistan is already in their control, all what they need now is to further weaken Pakistan for which they will find more reasons in the future. Another reason why the US wants to stay here is China's growing power - they would never want that to happen that soon - which is why they will keep supporting India to keep in check China's progress. It is all part of a great game in my view.
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