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    Posted: 11 May 2012 at 7:13am
Good to hear SW - Gibson did a fine job with the English attack and we can only hope he does the business for the Windies.
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Well Sledger, with the current regime, be rested assured that if he messes up team chemistry, he'll be back out in no time.  These guys (Gibson and the selectors) are not fooling around anymore with the so called better players.  In saying that, Ramnaresh Sarwan is not going to be back anytime soon.  Neither is Jerome Taylor.  Even jamaica's first class is no longer selecting him because he's always getting injured.
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Gayle's a class act , but will his recall upset the other players ? Sometimes it's better to have a lesser talent and team harmony rather than the blue eyed boy.   That Gayle chose not to play for the Windies suggests test cricket isn't  a high priority for him and for that reason I'd not be bending over backwards to bring him back if I was a selector.
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It would have been dumb for him not to do this, after 3 prime ministers in the region had to intervene on his behalf to get him back in the team.  Had he not done this, his true intentions would have been brought to light.  He had no other option.
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Finally Gayle seems to have seen the light, lets go of his Somerset contract, makes himself available and is all set to make an international comeback.
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The only thing Gayle is serious about is where the money is.  He's not dedicated to no test cricket.  After making 333 in Sri Lanka, when the board asked him about his future intentions, he said he'd like a break from windies Cricket (Ind & Pak tour last year in the caribbean) and play the full IPL.  What kinda nonsense is that???  Is that dedication to test cricket?? Or West Indies Cricket?? 
 
Gayle is no way being hurt by being left out of West Indies team.  He is making money, and doing best at his best, swinging his massive blade and getting runs as fast as anyone.  He's the best T20 batsman around!
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It is a well known fact that Gayle is in their plans Mikey, and it is obvious that he'll be selected, but if people start to officially guarantee players their places in the side then all this can get very ugly.

On the other hand no one has asked Gayle not to earn a living for himself, he is already doing it, all what is expected is to ensure he gets his priorities right.

Raj, comparing players to fans is completely illogical, even if the fans of entire country don't support their team they won't be able to change the result of the game, but if people start to demand things from their employers then that is not on.

It's like I asking my company whom I work for to "assure" me of a job for the next 10 years else I'm moving out and looking for other opportunities sp that I can be "safe for future", I tell you they'll kick me out for good, any one for that matter... Gayle is lucky that the WICB is tolerating so many things just because they want him to play for the WI, and as mystery has said with all the amount of T20 he is playing we don't even know how he'll fare in the longer versions.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote mystery Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 May 2012 at 11:59pm
Yes Milky any fan will get fed with people like Harbhajan who is more of a joker than a cricketer.
I would say it was Gayle who started this war against WI Board and without IPL i'm sure Gayle would have been begging to get back in the team.
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Another example is an Indian friend I have born in NZ. He used to support India, then after some of the behaviour of the team like Harbhajan he got fed up and now he supports NZ.
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Sam do you think the matter was so simple? There was a plot against him.I just see this entire case as Tit for tat.

Then , why is that cricketers are expected to sacrifice everything and not make money (legal) and secure their future. This is not a battlefield. This is just another sport, just another profession, whose productive shelf life is very small.

Then again , why are cricketers expected not to make choices while fans can ? I know one of my childhood friend who was a die Aussies fan, he used to support Aussies even against India ( coz he had his bowling idols there). Then there are few I know, who don't support Indian team because DADA was stripped of captaincy back in 2005. Then there are few RD fans , who don't watch ODI because he does not play that format.

As fans don't they have a responsibility to put nation before their personal choices?
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What's the point of being selected and sitting on a bench for a whole tour? He wants to know if he's in their plans or not, and after the whole charade they have put him I think it's fair that he places some qualifications on playing for the Windies. He isn't bigger than the team and quite frankly he couldn't care less, they don't respect him so he just goes and makes money elsewhere. Cricket is a business, it's not just a game and it's not just about representing your region/nation.
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I fully agree with Sam and i would say WI are playing far better without Gayle than they ever did inside him and i will be really very happy if he does not play for WI in the future becuz as Sam said no player is bigger than the game and if he plays test right now against this English attack he will be a easy wicket with so much T20 he has played recently.
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really guyz? who wrote a side letter to the WICB to allow him to play in the IPL and let go of the chance to play in the recent test series against AUS? what rubbish. The WICB has in fact agreed to all that and now he wants assurances? 

I don't see any reason for a player of any caliber to be getting "assurances" about his place in the side, you are making a player bigger than the game itself if you do that, tomorrow ever player of the so called"High caliber" will ask for assurances and start demanding things, who will suffer? boards of countries like WI, NZL, ZIM, SLN who are not rich.

No Indian player will ask selectors for assurances because they no they'll be kicked out if they make such statements against a powerful BCCI and the crowd won't like it either... absolute rubbish to say a player should be "guaranteed" a place in the side beforehand so that they can make himself available or unavailable to other teams. 
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I also agree with your sentiments Raj.

Gayle comes across as a dedicated, albeit laid back kind of guy. I think he is serious about test cricket, and serious about making big runs too. But he has been given no real job security. Anyone on this forum who is employed, especially in times of economic uncertainty, will know that job security is very, very important. There is a boom in India, they are paying big money and the Windies are not giving him any real options. He's taking the money, setting himself up for the future. Cricketers now are lucky that they are playing in this generation where there is big money. If someone says to you, we're going to take your captaincy away and drop you then what are you going to do?

Gayle is probably making 3 or 4 million dollars a year, travelling, playing the game he loves in a format the suits him well. For him, it's a win-win situation. He plays for the Windies, he gets paid to play tests. He doesn't play for the Windies, he goes and plays in England, India, Australia and South African and makes huge money.


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Dead right Mikey...

I am of opinion that Gayle is absolutely right in what he had done so far,

1. I guess it was intentional to drop him and strip him of captaincy after he was not selected in IPL-4 auctions. To leave him in cold when he was down. Fortunately for him RCB picked him when he was cheated/cornered by board members high handedness. Then other domestic T20 offers came in a hurry. Now Gayle can call his shots, I don't see any attitude problem. Respect and commitment cannot be from players side only ... it has to come from both the sides.

2. Player of Gayle's caliber needs some assurance, it is absolutely foolish to say that player of such caliber in such a good form that too for a WI  team , needs to wait for selection procedure outcome to know if he makes it into team .... Nonsense. I can agree if he was out of form , or if he is not suitable for the format.
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I don't agree. If he has some sort of professional understanding with Somerset, then he should known whether the West Indies intend to pick him or not, otherwise he should commit to his contract/agreement with Somerset. The West Indies did no favours to anyone by both dropping him and stripping him of his captaincy. Gayle is the 2nd best Caribbean batsman after Chanderpaul, play him or continue to lose. Gayle is still playing cricket and rolling in cash, he's using his skill to make a living.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote sam_ahmed Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 April 2012 at 7:31pm
Chris Gayle asking the WICB to confirm if he'll be selected for the ODI leg of ENG tour so that he can reply on his availability to Somerset, very very unprofessional from Gayle, I fully agree with the WICB here... No player can be promised of a place in the side, it's up to the selectors to decide on whom to select and whom not to, Gayle should either commit himself to playing for WI and make himself available irrespective of what T20 league in whatever part of the world is going on or just forget about his international career and play every damn T20 league that takes place in every street of the world these days.
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So 2-0 it is with Clarke doing the business with the ball on the final morning.  He's an underrated bowler and one has to ask how many overs would he have been given by Ponting , if he'd still been in charge? 
             West Indies are still a "work in progress" outfit but they are getting better and have been pulling for one another - something that's been missing for many a year.  England will be another tough test and Chanderpaul will be targetted - some others need to dig in and make runs if they're to be competitive.



Michael Hussey is also getting a lot of breakthroughs too, he has become Clarke's partnership breaker - something we didn't see at all from Ponting. While Clarke probably doesn't bowl a hell of a lot because of his back, but I think because he hasn't bowled much lately he gave himself a good 20-odd overs and got through it unscathed. Not the kind of guy who should bowl 30 overs a test because of his back, bit of a shame... like Steve Waugh in the second half of his career.
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So 2-0 it is with Clarke doing the business with the ball on the final morning.  He's an underrated bowler and one has to ask how many overs would he have been given by Ponting , if he'd still been in charge? 
             West Indies are still a "work in progress" outfit but they are getting better and have been pulling for one another - something that's been missing for many a year.  England will be another tough test and Chanderpaul will be targetted - some others need to dig in and make runs if they're to be competitive.


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Bracewell is NZ's Philander - batsmen these days, perhaps thanks to T20, can't even play gentle medium-fast seam bowling. Quite pathetic. Watson gets too many wickets with this style too.

Pakistan are the darkhorse in test cricket, not West Indies, I full expect them to win more and more tests over the next 12-18 months, barring any major controversy. West Indies, like Australia, don't have the batting nous to win too many games - the difference being that Australia has a bit more room to improve in that area, while WI aren't playing their best - Gayle, Sarwan, Bravo and perhaps Nash, while Chanders isn't getting any younger...
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Originally posted by Mikey

this summaries the Windies in a nutshell, good individual performance but no wins to show for it.

After this series Australia now no. 3 in the world in tests, with India rightfully dropping to 4. Australia is now ranked 1 in ODIs and 3 in Tests, and will continually look to improve that - although there are no tests for 6th months.

Mikey , Rankings were always a true reflection of what happens. Then it always rightly puts best team at the top.

Then don't worry about not having tests , it is the same for all teams Smile.Every team goes into such phase where they don't have matches.


On a side note, ENG after becoming number #1,immediately lost 4 test matches in a row ... Aussies have beaten WI , but far from convincing.Thought scoreline shows 2-0 , it looked as if equally matched teams fought a tough series.A great compliment to WI.

I had said that WI have improved leaps and bounds when I saw them play against India , when many mocked that India found it hard to beat a team like them. (Sunil Narine could have been handful ... forget about other biggies not played). Well done WI.

India had two terrible seasons in ENG and AUS.Good thing is they looked equally jaded in Asia cup and other sub continent venues during the same time.So that does not worry me much.Post World Cup to Asia Cup , many important players have looked in terrible form. Shewag and Gambhir have regained some form, Yuvraj should be back soon.

They should be back with a bang soon.I wish ENG to retain No 1 spot till they visit us and we take it back from them , just like what they did.Spinner spot is a concern though. Ashwin might do good on Indian pitches, he should learn to bowl well and take wickets outside sub continent.

SL have have been ordinary post world cup , just like India.

Pak has exceeded expectations, mainly because of Saeed Ajmal , a fantastic bowler ... world class... pure class ( TV people , please just don't show his bowling in slow motion... all the fun is gone ... I know what he is doing). Hafeez, Asad and Azhar have been silent contributors in test matches.

NZ, can't say anything about them. Every time I see them build a good team and somehow wheels come off. They never click as a unit. Bracewell has been a welcome addition.They do have brilliant spells in irregular patches like NZ-Aus series.

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Among top 4 teams , looks like its only SA whose pride had not been dented. That makes ENG vs SA very much anticipated contest.

Others teams are fast catching up for sure.Beware!WI, PAK could really force their way to top 3 , Can't count SL out, they just need one spinner to replace Murali's void.



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A very impressive 2-0 result for AUS, Clarke made a huge difference in the test matches, remember he missed the T20 and the ODI's where the WI leveled with AUS.

Good to see AUS on the rise, they have indeed moved to No.3 in the test rankings right behind ENG and RSA, IND are 4th and they now find Pakistan breathing down their neck.
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Clarke is the matchwinner, taking a 5-for and committing himself to 23 overs in order to seal the win - good stuff!

Australia's series win was an all-round performance, with no single player shining, although the bowlers were excellent. West Indies on the other hand had some superb individual performances from Chanderpaul, Roach and Shillingford - and this summaries the Windies in a nutshell, good individual performance but no wins to show for it.


After this series Australia now no. 3 in the world in tests, with India rightfully dropping to 4. Australia is now ranked 1 in ODIs and 3 in Tests, and will continually look to improve that - although there are no tests for 6th months.

Furthermore, Siddle is now ranked no. 8 all-rounder in test cricket .
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WI finally lost only by 75 runs.

I think That's Major Problem on WI team side Australia first innings 9th wicket partnership between Wade and Hilfenhaus of 102 must be turning point on game

They create chances in almost every game - but don't take them.

WI batsman Shillingford played some good shots. He actually looked like a batsman.

overall, a good series. Windies had the best bowler and the best batsman but lost 2-0, however they were close matches.

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81/3 WI, another defeat on the cards here, WI just haven't had enough steam to compete in the test matches after a riveting T20 and ODI series.

Chanders the man again, batting, he has got the talented Darren Bravo with him, still feel Samuels, and Dwayne should have been a part of this series rather than playing in the IPL, perhaps even Russel.  
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Hussey is out, and the lead at the minute is 334 runs. The lower order is in now, Starc and Harris are both decent lower order batsmen so hopefully they can bash some runs, probably not a bad thing that they're in now. Lead of 350 is sufficient here methinks.
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This stat says it all

Balls per dismissal for Chanderpaul so far in the series v Aus: 298. Balls per dismissal for the rest of West Indies' top 7: 57.


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Post Options Post Options   Quote Sledger Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 April 2012 at 11:05am
Yes alpesh , I can't see the Windies getting out of this. More than 300 ahead already and still batting to come , a deteriorating track and Lyon in form.  Unless the weather intervenes it'll be 2-0.
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Ed Cowan and Ricky Ponting both hit half-centuries on Wednesday as Australia are in good position in the match as West Indies will struggle more in the fourth innings.
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Australia Haven't learn t much at all in current batting in this series, Ponting has been the main guy copping it but he isn't alone in having a poor series.
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